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| 07:08.53 | unixbsd | ah fdisk does change the signature after creating new one/partition. |
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| 11:41.53 | gecko_ | I have a question, how do I enable or disable services? |
| 11:42.40 | gecko_ | I'm on runit now, and I know that I just have to link a directory with a run file, but devuan packages don't have any run files. |
| 11:43.00 | gecko_ | So I'll probably switch to sysvinit or OpenRC |
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| 11:48.24 | DPA | update-rc.d |
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| 11:50.04 | Guest93281 | hi gecko_ |
| 11:50.26 | gecko_ | hello |
| 11:50.45 | gecko_ | DPA: is that the command? |
| 11:50.57 | DPA | yes |
| 11:51.52 | Guest93281 | update-rc is for systemV |
| 11:52.34 | Guest93281 | here you are a quickstart for runit: https://kchard.github.io/runit-quickstart/ |
| 11:53.11 | gecko_ | I'm quite familiar with runit, but I couldn't find any run files for it. |
| 11:53.22 | gecko_ | A little bit too lazy to write them myself |
| 11:53.58 | Guest93281 | and here: https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/services/index.html |
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| 11:55.16 | gecko_ | okay switched to sysv |
| 11:55.24 | Guest93281 | gecko_: you can find some examples in void linux |
| 11:55.35 | gecko_ | But there's no update-rc.d command |
| 11:55.49 | DPA | I've been using update-rc.d with openrc too, is there another command for that for that there? |
| 11:57.06 | Guest93281 | DPA: i'm not familiar with openrc, i'm using runit |
| 11:57.12 | gecko_ | I got sysvinit, sysvinit-core, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc and sysv-rc-conf installed |
| 11:58.32 | Guest93281 | I got sysvinit-utils |
| 11:59.12 | Guest93281 | for shutdown, halt... |
| 11:59.40 | DPA | Thats odd... Have you tried opening another tty (maybe bash cached something)? Are you root, with sbin in path? |
| 12:00.26 | gecko_ | DPA: I rebooted and have terminal open |
| 12:00.37 | Guest93281 | yes, i tried, and it works |
| 12:00.40 | gecko_ | oh oh |
| 12:00.48 | gecko_ | sbin must be missing for some reason |
| 12:00.55 | gecko_ | because the command is in there |
| 12:02.00 | gecko_ | weird, the path to sbin is in /etc/profile |
| 12:02.31 | DPA | The package seams to be init-system-helpers |
| 12:03.14 | gecko_ | I got the update-rc.d installed, but how do I add sbin to path? |
| 12:03.22 | DPA | If you used sudo su, make sure there is a - (sudo su -) |
| 12:03.39 | gecko_ | ah, okay that works |
| 12:05.51 | gecko_ | su - worked, funnily enough I tried that before, but perhaps I didn't have the correct package installed |
| 12:06.06 | gecko_ | or I missed something |
| 12:06.31 | fsmithred | gecko_, su changed when it got moved to a different source package |
| 12:06.47 | fsmithred | if you want the old behavior, one way is... |
| 12:07.04 | fsmithred | echo 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' >> /etc/default/su |
| 12:07.30 | fsmithred | there's more info in the release notes |
| 12:07.37 | gecko_ | Like this is probably fine now that I know about it |
| 12:08.20 | fsmithred | I don't like it because I usually want root's path but don't want to change out of the current directory. |
| 12:09.49 | gecko_ | On Void I would usually just use doas |
| 12:10.29 | gecko_ | Using a preconfigure file with everything I'd allow myself to do without passwords. |
| 12:11.34 | fsmithred | sounds like sudo |
| 12:11.50 | gecko_ | yep, but somewhat simpler to setup |
| 12:12.02 | gecko_ | and somewhat simpler implementation |
| 12:21.08 | Guest93281 | gecko_: update-rc.d will work for those symlinks located in /etc/rcS/d (unless /etc/sv/name_of_the_service already exits) |
| 12:21.58 | Guest93281 | have a look at /lib/runit/run_sysv_scripts |
| 12:22.32 | Guest93281 | he/she is gone, and my name has been changed |
| 12:22.50 | Guest93281 | bye |
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| 13:01.14 | fsmithred | the only sv files you get with runit in devuan are for the gettys. |
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| 13:08.35 | hagbard_ | In devuan I get this dmesg, when btrfs are mounted: "failed to execute '/lib/udev/${exec_prefix}/bin/udevadm' '${exec_prefix}/bin/udevadm trigger -s block -p ID_BTRFS_READY=0': No such file or directory" |
| 13:09.01 | hagbard_ | Can this safely be ignored? Or am I missing something? |
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| 13:14.21 | gnarface | hagbard_: looks like a bug. which release? |
| 13:14.48 | gnarface | hagbard_: i think it's supposed to be looking for /bin/udevadm |
| 13:15.43 | gnarface | hagbard_: see what this returns: dpkg -S udevadm |
| 13:16.15 | hagbard_ | bash-completion: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/_udevadm |
| 13:16.15 | hagbard_ | eudev: /bin/udevadm |
| 13:16.15 | hagbard_ | eudev: /usr/share/man/man8/udevadm.8.gz |
| 13:16.15 | fsmithred | in beowulf it's at /bin/udevadm with a symlink at /sbin/udevadm |
| 13:16.15 | hagbard_ | eudev: /sbin/udevadm |
| 13:17.42 | hagbard_ | it's 3.2.9-7 (the one from testing) |
| 13:18.16 | fsmithred | 3.2.9-8 just got built for beowulf-proposed-updates |
| 13:18.22 | fsmithred | don't know if it will help |
| 13:18.41 | fsmithred | actually I don't know if it's any different from -7 |
| 13:19.14 | fsmithred | what is looking for udevadm? |
| 13:21.57 | fsmithred | ok, it's different. Long changelog entry on this one. |
| 13:23.03 | rrq | problem rule is in /lib/udev/rules.d/64-btrfs.rules |
| 13:23.41 | gnarface | probably a simple fix, no? |
| 13:23.47 | gnarface | just looks like a bad path |
| 13:23.57 | gnarface | mistakenly prepending /lib/udev/ for some reason |
| 13:24.53 | rrq | yes: replace "${exec_prefix}/" with "/s" in the line with exec_prefix in it |
| 13:25.53 | fsmithred | what is the /s? |
| 13:26.16 | rrq | . making the command start "/sbin/udevadm" |
| 13:26.33 | fsmithred | lol, oh |
| 13:26.41 | fsmithred | I thought you meant /s/bin/udevadm |
| 13:27.06 | rrq | yeah I'm a bit lazy :) |
| 13:27.06 | fsmithred | I need more coffee |
| 13:31.55 | crashoverride | same. |
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| 13:40.45 | hagbard_ | thx, so I just will edit the rule file |
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| 14:01.52 | hagbard_ | So, should I post that as a bug report somewhere? |
| 14:07.24 | gnarface | probably |
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| 14:24.57 | fsmithred | looks like it's our bug. In debian, the file uses /bin/udevadm |
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| 14:30.33 | fsmithred | hagbard_, you can file a bug report against eudev at submit@bugs.devuan.org |
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| 18:08.20 | default__ | kinda new to devuan.. having trouble getting the higher resolutions working with the intel 4 gpu. Is there a package I need to install or something? |
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| 18:17.25 | gnarface | default__: uh, maybe, probably not. there's already 2 drivers on there, maybe try the other one |
| 18:18.17 | gnarface | default__: for compositing window managers you'll also need mesa |
| 18:18.50 | gnarface | default__: (the 2 drivers are "modesetting" and "intel" .... it usually picks the first one by default, try the intel one) |
| 18:20.48 | gnarface | if it is very new hardware you might need the kernel and mesa versions from beowulf-backports but i'm not familiar enough with that specific device to know the age |
| 18:21.35 | rennj | terminal: xrandr |
| 18:24.54 | default__ | its not new. thanks for the assistance. I change the driver in xrandr? not finding it yet ;/ |
| 18:26.06 | fsmithred | you can set resolution with xrandr. I think you need to create xorg.conf to specify a driver. |
| 18:27.24 | gnarface | yea, as far as i know you have to set the driver in the xorg.conf and restart xorg |
| 18:27.32 | gnarface | you don't need the whole xorg.conf anymore |
| 18:27.36 | gnarface | you can just have the driver part |
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| 18:35.20 | dzhigit | does devuan accept bug reports for gnome? |
| 18:36.30 | fsmithred | dzhigit, I don't think there are any parts of gnome that we fork. Look for '+devuan' in the version. |
| 18:37.41 | dzhigit | that's right but I believe the bug to be devuan specific |
| 18:41.26 | brocashelm | task-gnome-desktop? |
| 18:42.38 | brocashelm | that and the foreign language versions are all i see as being forked by devuan |
| 18:42.52 | dzhigit | gnome-software |
| 18:43.09 | dzhigit | it isn't forked but it's working in Debian not in Devuan |
| 18:45.21 | fsmithred | I don't know if there's any way to file a bug report on it if we don't fork the package |
| 18:45.48 | fsmithred | maybe post it on forum or devuan-dev mailing list |
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| 18:46.27 | gnarface | dzhigit: what's actually going wrong on devuan that's not on debian? typically the only differences are permissions related |
| 18:49.34 | dzhigit | I think I first mentioned it on this channel on Wednesday. When you open it it just says No Application Data Found. packagekit cli as well as gnome-packagekit are working so I think the problem is with this front end specifically, |
| 18:50.36 | gnarface | you got elogind? |
| 18:50.44 | gnarface | acpid and udevd? |
| 18:50.58 | gnarface | probably also need dbus |
| 18:51.19 | gnarface | i assume it would all be chained together but... |
| 18:51.34 | gnarface | it's rare but things go wrong |
| 18:51.40 | dzhigit | they are chained together. I think you mean eudev. |
| 18:51.45 | gnarface | yes |
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| 18:55.01 | dzhigit | actually I don't have acpid |
| 18:56.43 | gnarface | i actually really doubt that's the one that's causing this but you should have it unless it causes instability |
| 18:58.37 | dzhigit | I'm not sure if I had it on Debian either |
| 18:58.50 | dzhigit | just installed it |
| 19:09.34 | dzhigit | I just tried installing updates through it and it gives a GDbus error |
| 19:10.38 | gnarface | is dbus running? some of this stuff in theory should have been started by gnome |
| 19:10.41 | gnarface | i thought |
| 19:10.57 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.02 | gnarface | i just thought of another one |
| 19:11.07 | gnarface | you probably need udisks2 |
| 19:11.16 | gnarface | in addition to whatever else |
| 19:11.54 | dzhigit | dbus is running but I think gdbus might be different |
| 19:12.04 | dzhigit | it's the gtk version or something |
| 19:12.10 | dzhigit | I have udisks2 |
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| 19:22.51 | dzhigit | gdbus is used by xfce isn't it |
| 19:22.58 | dzhigit | so the devuan version should be good |
| 19:23.28 | DPA | Regarding gnome-software and plasma-discover, isn't it just that it relies on AppStream, but that uses a different set of metadata, |
| 19:23.28 | DPA | which probably isn't present in devuans repositories, so it only finds already installed programs? |
| 19:24.06 | gnarface | i don't keep up with gnome really, it's news to me it's back in devuan |
| 19:24.23 | gnarface | i thought people were using mate or something? |
| 19:24.42 | dzhigit | is plasma discover not working either? |
| 19:25.56 | dzhigit | I just followed the instructions here to migrate from Debian and it said gnome was an option https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf |
| 19:30.49 | DPA | plasma-discover seams to kind of work, but if I for example search for "chess", it won't find stuff like "3dchess", I have to type the name exactly. |
| 19:30.49 | DPA | There are no featured applications, and it won't show stuff in categories except if it's already installed. |
| 19:31.44 | dzhigit | the search in gnome-software isn't working at all |
| 19:32.26 | DPA | It does find the already installed libreoffice on my machine. |
| 19:33.22 | DPA | But stuff not installed yet, not even if I search for the exact package name. |
| 19:34.23 | dzhigit | that's probably the issue |
| 19:35.55 | dzhigit | what has to be done in order to fix appstream? |
| 19:36.38 | DPA | I wish I knew. I don't really know how it works either. |
| 19:43.43 | dzhigit | so it's not as simple as copying everything from Debian? |
| 19:51.35 | gnarface | gnome is a particularly bad case |
| 19:51.43 | gnarface | historically |
| 19:52.15 | gnarface | there might be a way to fix this but it's not a hugely popular choice so you might have to wait a while to talk to someone who has done it |
| 19:52.22 | gnarface | i'd check the forum too |
| 19:56.08 | dzhigit | sounds like kde has the same issue |
| 19:56.39 | dzhigit | I rarely use software center myself, just couldn't help but noticing it isn't working |
| 19:56.50 | dzhigit | apt-get is easier for me |
| 19:58.06 | DPA | plasma-discover and gnome-software both use appstream |
| 19:58.14 | onefang | "apt" is even easier than "apt-get", four less letters to type. B-) |
| 19:59.41 | dzhigit | alias a=apt-get |
| 20:01.28 | dzhigit | actually it's not working because you have to set the alias for the root user |
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| 20:09.11 | gnarface | typically use apt-get too |
| 20:09.18 | gnarface | wouldn't have noticed this |
| 20:10.31 | gnarface | you'd think someone else would have though |
| 20:10.35 | gnarface | and maybe found a fix |
| 20:11.09 | gnarface | DPA, dzhigit: just a quick sanity check; you two both have the "less" package installed, right? |
| 20:11.35 | dzhigit | the pager? |
| 20:11.50 | dzhigit | yes |
| 20:12.01 | gnarface | yes, i have noticed that it improves searches in man, thought just maybe it could be related |
| 20:12.23 | gnarface | (string searches are case-sensitive without it) |
| 20:12.47 | DPA | yes, I have it. |
| 20:13.36 | dzhigit | it's set as the default pager as well |
| 20:14.25 | dzhigit | the other thing is when you right click an installed application and click "Show Details" it opens in gnome-software says there are no details for that application |
| 20:14.43 | dzhigit | that might be how I noticed it |
| 20:16.05 | dzhigit | but when you click it from the list of installed applications from within gnome-software, it shows all of the details ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 20:23.00 | dzhigit | also just realized |
| 20:23.15 | dzhigit | gnome logs isn't working because it reads from the systemd journal |
| 20:23.55 | dzhigit | instead of rsyslog |
| 20:24.35 | apollo_ | is there /any/ way gnome hasn't been poisoned by its adjacency to systemd? |
| 20:25.15 | onefang | It's also been poisoned by being adjacent to Wayland. lol |
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| 20:25.33 | dzhigit | lol one of the reviews says "Not on par with Windows Event Viewer, not even close." |
| 20:25.48 | dzhigit | sounds like a critique of journald |
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| 20:33.46 | dzhigit | what's bad about wayland, other than that it is still missing some features X has? |
| 20:43.18 | rennj | does it have xrandr xinput xdotool |
| 20:43.52 | rennj | those come in handy, and i happen to use, specially on craptop with shitty trackpads... |
| 20:46.34 | dzhigit | not yet |
| 20:46.38 | rennj | how about xev, xmodmap,XKeysymDB |
| 20:46.57 | rennj | you know for tracking down keyboard issues and mappings |
| 20:49.57 | dzhigit | I think every wm/de has to implement its own way to do those things right now |
| 20:50.05 | dzhigit | maybe they'll agree on a standard |
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| 20:53.08 | rennj | going to replace the remote x11 ssh -X / xhost,export DISPLAY, and such? |
| 20:53.28 | rennj | work well over rdp,vnc,nx |
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| 20:57.03 | rennj | add in xpra to that list...tmux/screen for x11 |
| 20:59.36 | rennj | yeah Xvnc Xpra Xnest. handy |
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| 23:51.52 | suavedandy | I'm bacc. |
| 23:52.26 | MinceR | hi bacc, i'm dad |
| 23:52.40 | suavedandy | giggles |
| 23:53.12 | suavedandy | I wanted to set up a window manager. |
| 23:54.01 | suavedandy | Should I install Xorg first? Or does it bring unnecessary bloat with it? |
| 23:54.20 | suavedandy | The xorg metapackage. |
| 23:54.37 | suavedandy | I mean, Xorg gets installed as a dep anyway. |
| 23:55.37 | suavedandy | Like, all WMs depend on the Xserver. |
| 23:55.53 | suavedandy | And display managers. |
| 23:57.43 | rennj | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/minimal-xorg-install.html |
| 23:58.06 | rennj | note the intel nvidia amd drivers |
| 23:58.32 | rennj | you want less bloat dont install unneeded drivers |
| 23:59.36 | rennj | less bloat install a window manager and not a Desktop Environment |
| 23:59.54 | rennj | twm,mwm,fvwm vs xfce,kde,gnome |