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| 01:28.34 | icemodding | hi ppl |
| 01:35.28 | danuan | they will not respond until you ask a question, then everyone jumps in :) |
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| 01:43.34 | tuxd3v | icemodding, hi |
| 01:43.50 | icemodding | wzup tuxd3v |
| 01:44.33 | onefang | This is a support channel, not a chat general channel. |
| 01:46.42 | icemodding | ok, sorry |
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| 01:56.00 | clort | reading up on ccache, it says it is 'not for multiple file compilation? what does that mean |
| 01:56.46 | clort | i wouldn't mind smarter/faster recompiles of scummvm and other larger projects |
| 01:56.58 | clort | but i see how this isn't trivial to do |
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| 03:09.21 | gnarface | clort: never used it, but the documentation says it's about "multiple source files in one go" which i would suspect is fairly common... |
| 03:09.51 | gnarface | but it also just says unsupported so that isn't always a guarantee it won't work |
| 03:10.13 | clort | ccache -s shows me stuff, with a hit rate and stuff |
| 03:10.36 | gnarface | oh, so maybe it'll just ignore those parts of the build |
| 03:10.48 | gnarface | and only cache stuff it can |
| 03:11.11 | gnarface | got multiple machines handy? you could try distcc instead |
| 03:11.35 | clort | yeah i have a bunch sitting here doing nothing. would be fun to have them working for me |
| 03:12.09 | gnarface | i've heard that distcc can break parallel builds, but if you have enough machines then having distcc kinda obviates the need for parallel builds anyway |
| 03:12.15 | clort | but over usb-networking, not wlan |
| 03:12.33 | gnarface | that's fine, usb is faster actually |
| 03:12.50 | gnarface | by wlan you mean wireless, right? |
| 03:12.54 | clort | yes |
| 03:13.08 | clort | i can get one d4 talking on usb0, but not two or more |
| 03:13.18 | gnarface | usb2 should be anywhere from 3 to 40 times faster |
| 03:13.42 | gnarface | depending on the type of wifi |
| 03:26.59 | clort | i think i'll waste less time faffing by cross compiling on the khadas vim3 |
| 03:29.58 | clort | ah it's important to prepend the /usr/lib/ccache to your $PATH |
| 03:33.25 | clort | yup ccache is puppies and birthday cake, rebuild went from 15-16min to 39 seconds |
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| 13:45.17 | GyrosGeier | hi |
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| 13:46.03 | GyrosGeier | is anyone working on an updated kernel in beowulf-security? |
| 13:46.39 | gnarface | if there is one in debian that's not in devuan yet it's probably the build cluster that's working on it |
| 13:47.02 | xinomilo | it's already there : https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf-security/linux-image-amd64_4.19+105+deb10u7.html |
| 13:47.03 | gnarface | afaik those packages shouldn't be changed but some of the related packages might |
| 13:47.21 | gnarface | the mirrors might take some time to relay out |
| 13:47.29 | GyrosGeier | ah okay |
| 13:47.35 | GyrosGeier | so that'll happen |
| 13:47.54 | GyrosGeier | moves maintenance window for the docker box to the evening |
| 13:52.19 | catch21 | hello. when I try to view the files in a different partition, all the files are executables, even PDFs. Meanwhile, the files on a flash drive are normal. The devices appear on the left hand side of Thunar. I click and they get mounted. |
| 13:54.14 | catch21 | mount gives |
| 13:55.43 | fsmithred | catch21, don't post a bunch of lines at once. |
| 13:55.49 | fsmithred | use paste.debian.net |
| 13:56.18 | catch21 | sorry |
| 13:56.33 | gnarface | catch21: (also, that's usually expected behavior if you're copying files from windows) |
| 13:57.06 | catch21 | it's normal? can't I make it behave like the flash drive? |
| 13:57.18 | fsmithred | np, you didn't do anything. Maybe your post started with / and did not show up. I was just warning you about the security bot that might kick you out. |
| 13:57.20 | gnarface | catch21: just use a different filesystem |
| 13:57.54 | catch21 | so it goes with ntfs? |
| 13:58.00 | catch21 | weird |
| 13:58.17 | gnarface | catch21: fat32 doesn't support permissions, it's weird and unsafe that the default is rwxr-xr-x, and you can override it with a mount option but you can't make it support permissions |
| 13:58.20 | fsmithred | yeah, I've seen windows make all kinds of stupid stuff executable |
| 13:58.32 | gnarface | catch21: ntfs is the same situation, but if it's a sd card or usb flash i would have assumed fat32 |
| 13:59.47 | gnarface | there are windows drivers for some linux filesystems if you need to trade files between the two though |
| 14:00.03 | gnarface | not that i'd recommend it |
| 14:00.06 | catch21 | it's all rwx for all, though for the ntfs partition |
| 14:00.32 | catch21 | the usb drive has fmask=0022,dmask=0022 |
| 14:00.58 | gnarface | the filesystem has to support the mount options |
| 14:01.09 | gnarface | i don't know what ntfs supports |
| 14:01.16 | gnarface | the man page should say |
| 14:01.17 | catch21 | meanwhile, the ntfs partition has no mask thingie and the user_id=0 |
| 14:01.25 | catch21 | is that the kernel? |
| 14:01.43 | gnarface | the filesystems should have their own man pages |
| 14:02.33 | gnarface | if not try the mount command for it |
| 14:02.52 | catch21 | i even used su chmod and no changes |
| 14:02.57 | catch21 | sudo i mean |
| 14:03.21 | gnarface | hmmm, although... i see the mount.ntfs man page here says umask and dmask are supposed to be supported, at least for ntfs-3g |
| 14:03.37 | gnarface | hmm, for general too |
| 14:04.10 | gnarface | odd |
| 14:04.48 | gnarface | i can't say i use it much, but i recall that it was marked experimental in the kernel for a long time, and write capabilities were disabled by default... i'm not sure that's not still the case, did you check for that? |
| 14:07.56 | gnarface | if write protect was enabled at the kernel drier level, chmod wouldn't do anything |
| 14:08.03 | gnarface | *driver level |
| 14:08.30 | catch21 | sorry that's over my head |
| 14:08.45 | fsmithred | I think ntfs-3g write was fixed a few years ago |
| 14:08.52 | catch21 | just a regular user |
| 14:09.01 | fsmithred | that's what I recall. I don't use it. |
| 14:09.06 | gnarface | catch21: you're using beowulf, right? |
| 14:09.14 | catch21 | ascii |
| 14:09.23 | gnarface | hmm, that's a much older kernel |
| 14:09.35 | gnarface | you should try a beowulf live image |
| 14:09.44 | gnarface | see if it works, if so consider upgrading |
| 14:18.14 | catch21 | i tried setting umask to 0022 with mount.ntfs-3g and there has been a change. |
| 14:18.32 | gnarface | as a mount option? |
| 14:18.38 | gnarface | well that's good |
| 14:18.50 | gnarface | that's something anyway |
| 14:19.03 | catch21 | at least the write permissions |
| 14:19.03 | catch21 | thanks for the tip |
| 14:19.27 | catch21 | yes as mount option |
| 14:19.42 | gnarface | it would be best to just use a different filesystem really, but i know it's not always allowed |
| 14:20.09 | catch21 | i have windows on another partition and I need to see my notes and stuff |
| 14:20.15 | catch21 | from there |
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| 16:01.03 | wikan | hi |
| 16:01.16 | wikan | did anyone try hurd kernel? |
| 16:02.49 | n4dir | way back. and not on devuan. |
| 16:03.40 | wikan | i wonder what would happen if I install it |
| 16:04.20 | n4dir | as i never heard anyone say it would be possible to simply install a hurd kernel on a stock debian, i doubt that would work |
| 16:04.47 | wikan | well dunno. I see a package |
| 16:05.32 | wikan | but I use some functionality like luks |
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| 16:22.35 | mason | wikan: poke through things like https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/Hurd to get a notion of what's involved |
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| 16:25.31 | n4dir | getting it run command line only was do-able. Gui was the hard part, and i had to give up. iirc i did get a gui, but no mouse or keyboard. |
| 16:26.05 | n4dir | kFreeBSD was pretty easy compared with hurd. You hardly recognized it you weren't running Linux kernel |
| 16:26.27 | n4dir | but as said: back then, ages ago, all that might well have changed. |
| 16:28.11 | wikan | i always try to install as tiny os as it is possible |
| 16:28.46 | wikan | for workspace I like it is about 110MB |
| 16:29.29 | wikan | maybe it is time to replace a kernel :) |
| 16:29.54 | wikan | or... try freebsd on one machine |
| 16:30.43 | wikan | i am a person for whom even kernel size may be important ;) |
| 16:35.21 | n4dir | waits for the reasoning behind that approach ... |
| 16:38.11 | wikan | hobby |
| 16:41.12 | n4dir | as good a reason as any other :-) |
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| 17:16.14 | brocashelm | 5.8 was working fine, but now newsboat takes forever to open an article (i use mpv as "browser") |
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| 18:00.59 | tuxd3v | it seems to ve already working well for nvidia cards.. |
| 18:01.30 | tuxd3v | for AMD cards still lacks Image Support.. |
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