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| 05:47.50 | systemdlete | devuan's apt gives me many choices! |
| 05:47.56 | systemdlete | Package gvim is a virtual package provided by: |
| 05:47.56 | systemdlete | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.56 | systemdlete | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.56 | systemdlete | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.56 | systemdlete | You should explicitly select one to install. |
| 05:48.18 | systemdlete | Soooooo... how does a smart fella solve this riddle? |
| 05:49.21 | systemdlete | I mean, if all three are compatible with my setup, then I'd think that they only differ by either how many open issues they have, or by some esoteric features. |
| 05:49.37 | man_in_shack | you probably want gtk3 |
| 05:49.45 | systemdlete | "probably" -- OK. Why? |
| 05:49.51 | gnarface | seems like personal choice but gtk3 is the one that will have the most distro-level attention on it from upstream... |
| 05:50.07 | gnarface | because that's the one with corporate backing :( |
| 05:50.11 | systemdlete | (that's what I figured) |
| 05:50.18 | systemdlete | Oh, well. |
| 05:50.33 | gnarface | so i would say use the gtk3 one unless it causes you driver issues, then use the gtk one |
| 05:50.37 | systemdlete | if it has CORPORATE backing, I definitely want it. To whom do I mail the check? |
| 05:50.45 | gnarface | freedesktop.org i guess |
| 05:50.51 | gnarface | facepalms |
| 05:51.10 | systemdlete | I hate what this has all become... |
| 05:51.29 | gnarface | no in all seriousness they probably have a direct link somewhere at gtk.org, i don't actually know |
| 05:51.54 | man_in_shack | gtk2 is essentially being phased out these days |
| 05:51.55 | gnarface | but it's the latest one from the GNOME project so yea, that's where the various corporate investors seem to have placed their bets over the years |
| 05:52.06 | systemdlete | gtk == gtk2? |
| 05:52.10 | man_in_shack | yah |
| 05:52.12 | gnarface | gtk is actually gtk1 |
| 05:52.31 | gnarface | most gtk2 stuff is being replaced by gtk3 stuff but i assume gtk1 is still being kept around for legacy compatibility |
| 05:52.33 | man_in_shack | there's no gtk1 anymore :P |
| 05:52.43 | man_in_shack | apt show vim-gtk |
| 05:52.47 | man_in_shack | depends on libgtk2 |
| 05:52.50 | systemdlete | so there is no cool stuff for gtk2 fanboys? |
| 05:53.07 | man_in_shack | there is xfce :P |
| 05:53.09 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:53.10 | gnarface | hah |
| 05:53.21 | gnarface | vim-gtk just has one dependency; vim-gtk3 |
| 05:53.29 | gnarface | so i guess that train has left the station, yea |
| 05:53.37 | man_in_shack | but yeah, gnome is pretty gross, and gnome backporting gross gnomeisms to gtk is grosser |
| 05:53.39 | gnarface | too bad |
| 05:53.44 | man_in_shack | gnarface: which distro you on? |
| 05:53.51 | gnarface | i'm on devuan |
| 05:53.57 | systemdlete | (of course...) |
| 05:54.00 | man_in_shack | yah but which one? :P |
| 05:54.02 | gnarface | i'm just not using vim so i'm not paying attention to this |
| 05:54.24 | gnarface | i've got machines around here running ascii, beowulf and ceres |
| 05:54.29 | gnarface | i forget if i replaced the last jessie vm or not |
| 05:54.50 | systemdlete | I like the syntax highlighting -- it is useful in MOST cases... though I've encountered situations where perl refused to tell me, out and out, where my error was. |
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| 05:55.59 | systemdlete | I'm using vim on mate on beowulf but I notice that there seems to be a lack of coordination with the system clipboard. |
| 05:56.14 | systemdlete | I can't seem to copy anything while in vim. (vi works though) |
| 05:56.19 | man_in_shack | ok so debian stable/buster still has gtk2 vim but testing/bullseye only has gtk3 vim |
| 05:56.55 | man_in_shack | systemdlete: yah probably cos vim takes over the mouse control |
| 05:56.58 | systemdlete | I went into the terminal settings and enabled "copy selection to clipboard" but it doesn't seem to make a diff |
| 05:57.08 | systemdlete | right, man_in_shack |
| 05:57.18 | systemdlete | q is: How to un-disable it? |
| 05:57.43 | systemdlete | I wonder if using a different term program might solve this. |
| 05:57.47 | gnarface | hmmm, does the athena one still work? |
| 05:58.12 | man_in_shack | probably |
| 05:58.25 | gnarface | systemdlete: did you try the athena one? it looks lightweight... |
| 05:58.28 | systemdlete | I like being able to launch vim from the command line... gvim seems a bit strange |
| 05:58.33 | man_in_shack | systemdlete: :help mouse |
| 05:58.37 | man_in_shack | you can set the mode as you like |
| 06:02.41 | man_in_shack | e.g. if you :set mouse=nvh, then you can select text with your terminal app in insert mode |
| 06:04.43 | systemdlete | I tried :se +xterm_clipboard, but I prob don't have the syntax right |
| 06:06.16 | systemdlete | nvm. I see now |
| 06:06.18 | systemdlete | thanks |
| 06:06.22 | man_in_shack | np |
| 06:06.42 | man_in_shack | also for gvim, you can use the + or * buffers |
| 06:06.56 | man_in_shack | "*yy << copy current line to clipboard |
| 06:08.14 | man_in_shack | gotta learn you some keyboard shortcutties |
| 06:08.28 | man_in_shack | "yank" and "put" and all that stuff |
| 06:10.13 | systemdlete | guess what? Enable the use of the mouse. Only works for certain terminals |
| 06:10.13 | systemdlete | (xterm, MS-DOS, Win32 |win32-mouse|, QNX pterm, *BSD console with |
| 06:10.13 | systemdlete | sysmouse and Linux console with gpm). |
| 06:10.48 | systemdlete | That msg may be out of date, but even with :se mouse=a, it still does not do copy |
| 06:11.04 | systemdlete | (the context menu item for copy is disabled) |
| 06:11.45 | gnarface | oh, are you not in X? |
| 06:11.50 | man_in_shack | yah if you want terminal to select-and-copy, you need to disable a mouse mode |
| 06:12.09 | systemdlete | I know the yank and put cmds, man_in_shack. I just didn't realize that '*' would use the system clipboard as a buffer |
| 06:12.30 | man_in_shack | e.g. :set mouse=h, only let vim take over mouse for help files |
| 06:12.33 | gnarface | systemdlete: my guess is you could either just install gpm or set TERM=xterm |
| 06:12.49 | systemdlete | gnarface: I AM running mate desktop. The problemseems to be with the term program |
| 06:13.02 | systemdlete | gpm sounds nice. I'll try that. |
| 06:13.18 | gnarface | systemdlete: yea, wait though, you should only need gpm if you don't have X... if it's just with your term, check $TERM |
| 06:13.41 | man_in_shack | gnarface: sounds like he's running vim in gnome-terminal to me |
| 06:13.42 | systemdlete | gpm already installed. drat! |
| 06:14.21 | systemdlete | TERM=xterm-256color |
| 06:14.47 | systemdlete | mate terminal 1.20.2 |
| 06:15.01 | gnarface | xterm compatible linux terminals frequently default to something other than literally "xterm" but sometimes it causes problems |
| 06:15.05 | gnarface | you can override that at whim |
| 06:15.10 | systemdlete | I wonder if switching to xfce might make more sense |
| 06:15.22 | gnarface | no you could literally just run: TERM=xterm vim |
| 06:16.22 | gnarface | or change it in your .bashrc |
| 06:16.24 | systemdlete | that doesn't help either |
| 06:16.27 | systemdlete | :( |
| 06:16.37 | gnarface | maybe it has to be in the .bashrc so the parent shell is launched with it |
| 06:16.54 | man_in_shack | inside vim, :set mouse=a means vim takes over mouse control from the terminal |
| 06:16.58 | systemdlete | Eh... launching it TERM=xterm vim should be fine |
| 06:17.01 | man_in_shack | so you want :set mouse=<something else> |
| 06:17.11 | systemdlete | such as? |
| 06:17.13 | man_in_shack | to allow the terminal to keep mouse control for select-and-copy |
| 06:17.17 | gnarface | systemdlete: i would think so but i don't really know for sure, is the point |
| 06:17.28 | man_in_shack | :set mouse=h for only in help system |
| 06:17.45 | systemdlete | can I :set mouse= ? |
| 06:17.48 | man_in_shack | :set mouse=nvh for everything except insert mode |
| 06:17.51 | systemdlete | or is that a fail |
| 06:18.00 | systemdlete | nvh does not work, tried it |
| 06:18.06 | man_in_shack | :set mouse-=a came up in my googling |
| 06:20.59 | systemdlete | I did both :se mouse-=a and :se mouse= and neither solved it, sorry. |
| 06:21.35 | systemdlete | I really think this has something to do with the mate terminal. There are a few other issues with MATE also, though I forget offhand now. |
| 06:22.11 | golinux | gtk3 sucks |
| 06:22.12 | systemdlete | I was enjoying mate on my ascii laptop install. However, beowulf's mate does not seem to work well with the laptop for some reason. |
| 06:22.38 | golinux | and is fugly |
| 06:22.47 | systemdlete | does it suck before/after tearing out systemd dependencies? |
| 06:23.10 | systemdlete | (I'm guessing it has some, like everything else these days) |
| 06:23.44 | gnarface | systemdlete: i like rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 06:24.43 | gnarface | as a bonus it mostly displays unicode correctly, (unlike gnome-terminal, last i checked) |
| 06:25.36 | gnarface | but the ~/.bashrc i inherited from whatever install this started as sets TERM to xterm |
| 06:25.57 | gnarface | at least i thought it did... hmm, somthing is.... |
| 06:26.03 | systemdlete | Installing that now. |
| 06:26.07 | systemdlete | (thanks again) |
| 06:26.39 | gnarface | anyway double check TERM because i thought it didn't default to xterm either, but it's definitely xterm now |
| 06:26.46 | gnarface | and no problem |
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| 06:36.41 | systemdlete | ok so now it works. |
| 06:37.20 | systemdlete | What I did was, in the terminal profile, I unchecked "copy selection to keyboard" (I did the same thing in xfce with success) and also set the mouse= like that |
| 06:37.36 | systemdlete | Now I get the "copy" items in the context menu, and yes, it copies to the clipboard. |
| 06:37.51 | gnarface | with gnome-terminal? |
| 06:37.53 | systemdlete | Thanks for the assistance gnarface and man_in-shack |
| 06:37.56 | gnarface | or with urxvt? |
| 06:37.59 | systemdlete | man_in_shack |
| 06:38.11 | systemdlete | Oh, either the xfce-terminal or the mate-terminal. |
| 06:38.15 | gnarface | ah |
| 06:38.19 | systemdlete | yeah |
| 06:38.26 | systemdlete | til |
| 06:39.05 | systemdlete | So it was the combination of the two options: :set mouse= and unchecking the (auto) copy to clipboard feature in either terminal program. |
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| 06:42.18 | systemdlete | gnarface: For whatever reason, mouse=a in beowulf by default, whereas in ascii, it is clear |
| 06:42.32 | gnarface | hmmm, odd |
| 06:53.09 | man_in_shack | gtk3 is kinda nice for development from what i've seen |
| 06:53.19 | man_in_shack | problem is it's got too much gnome in it |
| 06:53.29 | man_in_shack | "developer should decide how title bar functions" is shit |
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| 07:44.33 | systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1164501/ |
| 07:45.13 | systemdlete | I have decided to install a set of syslog-ng packages that are up to date (3.29) from an unofficial build repo that is linked from syslog-ng's website. |
| 07:45.30 | systemdlete | I'm OK with this because the VM I am installing it on is only a dev box anyway. |
| 07:46.00 | systemdlete | I'm confused: Does it want to upgrade? Does it want to downgrade? Am I in the right city? |
| 07:46.31 | systemdlete | Is this MY apartment? |
| 07:46.40 | systemdlete | Who am I anyway? |
| 07:47.00 | systemdlete | (This must be the most confusing message I've seen yet coming from apt*) |
| 07:47.51 | systemdlete | btw, I had to kinda "force" the install because initially it would only upgrade a couple of packages. |
| 07:48.23 | systemdlete | I did this by going back and "apt install syslog-ng" which set off the whole cascade of install deps and looked like it did it successfully. |
| 07:48.31 | systemdlete | Except for one package. |
| 07:51.13 | gnarface | systemdlete: try it with --no-install-recommends maybe? |
| 07:52.31 | gnarface | systemdlete: i'm not sure though, but the dependencies may be broken, i'm not sure if ">= 3.19.1-5" but "< 3.19.1-5.1~" is even possible |
| 07:52.45 | systemdlete | I doubt it. |
| 07:52.56 | systemdlete | and --no-install-recommends did not help, sorry |
| 07:53.09 | gnarface | hmm, does that at least remove the warning about systemd from the error? |
| 07:53.32 | systemdlete | yes! |
| 07:53.38 | gnarface | ok |
| 07:53.54 | gnarface | maybe you can just change the ./debian/rules file or whatever it is that contains that dependency list |
| 07:53.55 | systemdlete | but it still can't decide if it wants to be an elephant or a fish |
| 07:54.17 | systemdlete | what about --force? |
| 07:54.33 | gnarface | well, if you're building it anyway, which is what i assumed, just change the dependencies to be something that works |
| 07:54.42 | systemdlete | no I am not building it |
| 07:54.46 | gnarface | oh |
| 07:55.01 | systemdlete | Just using an unofficial repo, that's all. A repo linked to from their community site |
| 07:55.05 | gnarface | well you might have to in order to get the versions to match up anyway |
| 07:55.24 | systemdlete | might have to build it? |
| 07:55.27 | gnarface | i'm not sure what force would do in this context, if anything |
| 07:56.21 | gnarface | is syslog-ng-core even in the repo? what version? |
| 07:56.32 | gnarface | you might have to rebuild it so that it requests the right version |
| 07:56.40 | gnarface | or you might have to build the right version of that too |
| 07:57.40 | systemdlete | no, all the packages were built. The maintainer even posts the build logs! |
| 07:57.50 | systemdlete | no errors I could see, gnarface |
| 07:57.55 | systemdlete | but, look at this |
| 07:58.07 | systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1164504/ (I tried upgrade on a lark...) |
| 07:58.50 | systemdlete | I could be breaking armf. Which is not really possible, is it? |
| 07:58.57 | gnarface | is this a package for debian? |
| 07:59.07 | systemdlete | *.deb packages, yes |
| 07:59.23 | systemdlete | not for devuan specifically, no |
| 07:59.23 | gnarface | it seems to be for the wrong version of debian |
| 07:59.29 | systemdlete | ah |
| 07:59.31 | gnarface | to match the version of devuan you were using |
| 07:59.54 | systemdlete | oh |
| 07:59.56 | gnarface | so you'll have to correct that one way or another first, to find out if anything else about the systemd dependency needs to be removed |
| 07:59.59 | systemdlete | crap you are right |
| 08:00.11 | systemdlete | I keep getting all these versions mixed up |
| 08:00.28 | systemdlete | I should be looking at 10/buster for beowulf, not 9 |
| 08:00.47 | systemdlete | sheepishly wanders off to fix the situation... |
| 08:01.11 | man_in_shack | systemdlete: it looks to me like that syslog-ng-mod-journal is too old for the repo's syslog-ng-core |
| 08:01.33 | man_in_shack | -journal depends on an older version of -core than you have installed |
| 08:01.42 | man_in_shack | so it's possible that the -journal stuff got rolled in to -core |
| 08:05.49 | systemdlete | nah. I kafuffled. I was pointing to repos for deb9, instead of deb10. my bad |
| 08:06.46 | systemdlete | And it is much happier, everyone. I now have syslog-ng 3.29, which I think is their latest official release, even if it is coming from an UNofficial repo. |
| 08:07.32 | systemdlete | Apparently one CAN build 3.29 for beowulf (buster)... The install didn't even burp about u-no-wott |
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| 14:07.06 | user282069 | ahoy o/ i have some unmet dependencies for wine32:i386 |
| 14:07.09 | user282069 | grrr |
| 14:08.21 | user282069 | the non devuan repos are gitlab, nginx, nodesource, yarn |
| 14:09.28 | user282069 | i guess they are all suspect. trying to install with only pure devuan repos gives the same result though |
| 14:10.08 | user282069 | thank you for your time and any thoughts. i've had trouble with wine before |
| 14:10.40 | debdog | it's been a while but IIRC following this guide https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian helped. Esp. the the bold lines on the top. |
| 14:12.19 | user282069 | ye thank you dd o/ that leads to pulling in something randomly hosted by opensuse |
| 14:12.34 | user282069 | and ye i think has worked for me before |
| 14:14.42 | debdog | pulling in, how? just fetch the packages manually and install them with dpkg -i |
| 14:16.13 | user282069 | ok thank you very much yes. i did not understand. will try |
| 14:17.31 | debdog | you might have to install one or more dependencies from the devuan repo. dpkg will point out which one(s) |
| 14:17.46 | debdog | well, IIRC, that is |
| 14:26.59 | user282069 | yes of course. no worries and thank you for sharing. in the highlighted bits of your first link it's dpkg -i libfaudio0;;; this is failing on libsdl2-2 which fails on libpulse0 all :i386 |
| 14:27.38 | user282069 | depends: libdbus-1-3:i386 |
| 14:28.25 | user282069 | and so i strongly suspect;;;; i dunno. it's a pretty fresh install... i thought i hadn't mucked around so much yet |
| 14:29.06 | debdog | well, install them |
| 14:30.10 | user282069 | ah ye look at that; one more step |
| 14:30.23 | user282069 | if i ask it to install that dbus it will |
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| 15:16.58 | wikan | hola :) |
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| 15:17.00 | wikan | waves |
| 15:17.09 | wikan | just came to read in silence ;) |
| 15:20.10 | wikan | is watching you |
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| 16:30.12 | willow | anyone here using a raspberry pi4? at the forums ShorTie posted up a script to install devuan, has anyone tried it out? |
| 16:30.40 | ranix | I'm still on B+ |
| 16:30.49 | willow | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3526 |
| 16:32.00 | willow | i'll have a look at 3b+ builds, is it working ok? |
| 16:32.18 | ranix | no problems so far for both debian and devuan |
| 16:32.31 | ranix | I only have one devuan raspi though |
| 16:32.45 | ranix | and all it does is show a feed of 6 security cameras |
| 16:32.59 | willow | wow, that's pretty good for a pi |
| 16:33.28 | willow | low res i take it |
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| 16:35.19 | ranix | I think it's 640x480 |
| 16:35.34 | ham5urg | Would it be possible to compile Devuan for this: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Banana-Pi-BPI-R2-Smart-Router-Hardware/264780512034 ? |
| 16:35.35 | ranix | it works great because 1080/3=640 |
| 16:35.44 | ranix | vlc won't do it because too much ram |
| 16:35.46 | ranix | so used omxplayer |
| 16:35.52 | ham5urg | I would like to have a Devuan-Arm-Router. |
| 16:35.58 | willow | efficiet : ) |
| 16:36.03 | ham5urg | Maybe someone has already done so. |
| 16:36.05 | willow | efficient |
| 16:38.15 | ranix | do you even have to compile it ham5urg |
| 16:39.44 | ham5urg | ranix, I don't know, I'm just checking if a Devuan-Arm user is here to ask for his experience |
| 16:40.26 | willow | the banana pi A20 is listed as supported hardware https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/embedded/README.txt |
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| 16:42.42 | willow | did the rpi 3b+ build come with xfce or any other gui? |
| 16:43.10 | ranix | yeah there was some kind of gui, I don't recall if it was xfce |
| 16:43.29 | ranix | ham5urg: you might find that it's so well supported it's hard to find information about it because nobody has problems with it |
| 16:54.16 | ham5urg | ranix, I will look at it but will take a look at lattepanda boards too. |
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| 21:47.47 | ham5urg | I've installed GOS beta (Android 11). Is it possible to randomize the MAC of Bluetooth |
| 21:48.01 | ham5urg | and Randomize the MAC of Wifi |
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