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| 02:07.57 | golinux | nemo: When stretch is EOL |
| 02:09.36 | nemo | kk |
| 02:12.23 | nemo | 2022-06-30 seems |
| 02:12.25 | nemo | that's plenty |
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| 12:21.14 | Wonka | hmf. "pdns-server" has lost /etc/init.d/pdns, only a systemd unit file left... |
| 12:23.36 | Wonka | pdns-server_4.1.6-3_amd64.deb still has /etc/init.d/pdns, pdns-server_4.3.0-5_amd64.deb doesn't. |
| 12:25.35 | Wonka | "Upstream has moved around socket dir and there are known issues with the init scripts. Operators will be better off just using the systemd units instead." *sigh* |
| 12:25.52 | Wonka | _what_ issues, please? |
| 12:47.04 | DPA | network-manager did it too: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964139 |
| 13:11.28 | xinomilo | at least pdns has put somekind of explanation for that |
| 13:12.07 | xinomilo | network-manager maintainer just does whatever he likes, and doesn't give a sh*t .. |
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| 13:25.35 | DPA | Maybe someone should make a backup of them, before they are all gone. |
| 13:27.10 | fsmithred | network-manager 1.26.2-1+devuan1 is already in ceres |
| 13:29.57 | brocashelm | yes, got that one installed |
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| 14:30.46 | ranix | network-manager is a piece of shit and the maintainer is an asshole, anyone who uses it deserves what they get |
| 14:32.18 | ranix | back in my day we used /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts and liked it |
| 14:32.43 | mason | ranix: You can still use those, although I've always found them awkward. |
| 14:33.11 | mason | â¥s ifupdown for network configuration. |
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| 14:45.40 | sixwheeledbeast | Seems a pretty troll move to remove working code with no explanation on software used by a lot of people... |
| 14:46.29 | ranix | it's not a troll move it's a power play |
| 14:46.45 | r3boot | it's offtopic even ;) |
| 14:47.14 | ranix | it's not offtopic, devuan is going to have to fork yet another package if this guy keeps his sandy vagina dry |
| 14:47.43 | r3boot | then the focus should be on the package, not vagina's |
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| 14:48.26 | r3boot | Also, this is something that is going to happen more often in the future, so discussing /some/ plan to prepare for that is probably more useful |
| 14:48.28 | ranix | fair enough |
| 14:51.30 | r3boot | I get it from a software developer pov; Since all the major linux distro's are systemd-based, it makes sense to support a unit file + drop the rc script. (less support calls) |
| 14:52.19 | sixwheeledbeast | sorry that was probably a topic more suited to #debianfork |
| 14:52.36 | ranix | that would be arguable - but he didn't make that argument. He dropped the init script with no explanation whatsoever, ignored the bug reports, and marked them 'wishlist' severity |
| 14:54.37 | sixwheeledbeast | Is there some way to ship the scripts in like a shim separate from the debian package or is that not ideal? Is it just better to make "+devuan" packages at that point. |
| 14:54.50 | sixwheeledbeast | it's the wishlist that rubs salt in it TBH |
| 14:55.28 | phogg | that nm bug is pretty damning. |
| 14:55.28 | r3boot | It's still their choice to make, so either fork it, or deal with it ;) j/k |
| 14:56.12 | r3boot | But I think a +devuan package should work just fine in these cases |
| 14:57.02 | r3boot | Or maybe even something like devuan-rcscripts, which has rc scripts for everything that needs them, together with some tooling which detects the installed applications, and enables the corresponding rc scripts. |
| 14:57.39 | r3boot | Or a generator based on the unit file that come with the services (although this one will probably generate some flak :P) |
| 14:57.57 | ranix | you would need to update devuan-rcscripts fairly frequently depending on the number of supported daemons |
| 14:58.05 | r3boot | Correct |
| 14:58.10 | ranix | it'd be a temporary solution though |
| 14:58.16 | r3boot | but it saves you from having a lot of +devuan packages |
| 14:58.27 | ranix | and it serves as a list of affected daemons |
| 14:58.36 | r3boot | In all practicalness, I do think that +devuan is the most clean solution |
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| 14:59.50 | phogg | a generator based on a unit file seems harmless, but I would still want the generated script packaged with the .deb and not have the unit file ever land on my systems |
| 14:59.57 | r3boot | Or maybe the powerdns team needs some encouragement from ppl still using that rc script, to re-include it, who knows |
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| 15:41.41 | sixwheeledbeast | the idea of having all them script when you may only need one isn't ideal either |
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| 16:18.06 | golinux | Talking about doing is not actually doing |
| 16:18.43 | golinux | And indeed that is more suited for offtopic channels. |
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| 16:55.20 | rowbee | i'm surprised #964139 isn't CLOSED WONTFIX, however setting it to wishlist makes it pretty much that alreadyu |
| 16:56.38 | rowbee | i think the worst part is the 0 explanation. _why_ remove the init scripts? _why_ is it not a bug? |
| 16:57.07 | fsmithred | dick-headedness |
| 16:57.13 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 17:32.48 | infobot | \"Multiple exclamation marks,\" he went on, shaking his head, \"are a sure sign of a diseased mind.\" - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 19:36.47 | Ryushin | Yay. Got Devuan running in a loop image on my Samsung Android Tablet. Just waiting for my Thinkpad Bluetooth keyboard to get here next week and I'll be set. |
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| 19:47.15 | yooz | Hello, Devuan...hope this is the right place for this. I'm pretty desperate for help. Brevity is not a strong suit of mine, but if anybody is willing/available, I'll try to keep things short re: my issue. TIA |
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| 20:01.16 | golinux | Just tell us your issue. You don't need an invitation |
| 20:01.28 | golinux | yooz: ^^^ |
| 20:01.44 | ranix | dontasktoask.com |
| 20:05.50 | golinux | But before you post, please read the Release Notes if you haven't already |
| 20:05.51 | yooz | My laptop was stolen recently..along with phone and all backups (2FA, KDBX, etc). I don't usually keep these together...long story. As luck would have it, my SSD was not in the laptop at the time. I still have it but I'm having difficulty accessing it from another machine. I'm trying to get to the one KDBX file left that I can (maybe?) access in my LUKS Home partition. I know the pw. |
| 20:06.21 | golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt |
| 20:07.20 | ranix | what do you mean you're having difficulty accessing the ssd from another machine |
| 20:07.25 | golinux | WOW! That's quite a story. |
| 20:08.04 | ranix | because it's encrypted? |
| 20:08.13 | yooz | I know, I know...I was robbed leaving a poker room in Houston. I have the police report, I know this sounds ridiculous. I was in a rental car and that was stolen along with phone, laptop backpack and everything in it. |
| 20:08.26 | ranix | do you have a backup of your LUKS headers |
| 20:09.07 | ranix | or is the luks header present on this disk |
| 20:09.35 | yooz | no, bc in my haste to purchase another laptop and access, I bought maybe the worst Linux machine there is. It seems. A HP x360 Envy. I can't get Devuan to even load on this things. I've tried accessing it from live distros that WILL run. No dice. I'm doing something wrong. I'm new (1yr with Linux). |
| 20:10.20 | ranix | accessing the drive from another machine will require decrypting the partition you want to access, because you've encrypted it with LUKS |
| 20:10.40 | ranix | is this the boot drive from the lost machine? |
| 20:11.29 | yooz | Yes, it's a NVMe drive (not sure if matters). Only had Devuan. boot, home, root partitions |
| 20:11.51 | yooz | I hoped that I could just plop it into new laptop and voila |
| 20:11.53 | ranix | can you get another machine to boot from that drive |
| 20:11.55 | yooz | not so much, I see |
| 20:12.00 | yooz | not this one, no |
| 20:12.09 | ranix | how far does it get before it fails |
| 20:12.36 | yooz | it recognizes that a disk is there...the disk check is fine. But it never tries to boot and does not show as an option in bios |
| 20:12.47 | rennj | truecrypt/veracrypt would have been plop it into new laptop and voila |
| 20:13.39 | ranix | does your bios not support booting via efi or something |
| 20:13.44 | yooz | I've been attempting to access it from Gnome Disks via live mediums |
| 20:13.47 | rennj | oh and the code has been audited |
| 20:14.08 | ranix | or do you maybe have efi boot turned off |
| 20:14.14 | ranix | in bios |
| 20:14.33 | yooz | it's a very new laptop, I might get the jargon wrong but pretty sure it's UEFI. I turned off secure boot, TPM module is available....is that an issue? TPM from the old laptop?? |
| 20:15.07 | ranix | perhaps the problem is the opposite of that and you're unable to boot via a non-uefi bootloader |
| 20:15.13 | ranix | and you need to turn uefi off |
| 20:15.28 | ranix | do you remember whether or not your booatloader was uefi on the disk |
| 20:15.58 | yooz | My old laptop was an Acer515, had option for AHCI (ACHI?) or Optane. I had it on the former. This laptop does not have this switch. |
| 20:16.36 | yooz | does that relate to uefi? again, forgive my ignorance. |
| 20:16.55 | ranix | idk |
| 20:17.05 | yooz | my other laptop was UEFI, I'm fairly certain |
| 20:17.37 | yooz | I boot into live Mint usb, Tails, etc...no problem. But Devuan even on USB will not boot |
| 20:17.53 | yooz | Oh, and this...I get "Failed to read/write IOMMU...." every time |
| 20:17.57 | yooz | no matter the distro |
| 20:17.59 | yooz | at boot |
| 20:18.05 | ranix | I think if you had the worst possible case, your keys were on the tpm and as a result you were totally unable to load your luks partition, you would at least get to grub |
| 20:18.22 | ranix | it sounds like you have not yet gotten that far |
| 20:19.13 | yooz | I don't think so. Again, Devuan will not boot on a new USB image. It goes to black screen and solid, non-blinking cursor at top right. |
| 20:19.24 | yooz | top left...sorry |
| 20:19.39 | ranix | that's what would happen if you tried to boot an efi device without using efi |
| 20:20.05 | ranix | i.e. if I install devuan on my usb stick with a uefi bootloader and tell my bios to boot directly from the disk and not via uefi that would happen to me |
| 20:20.44 | yooz | OK, so there is no "legacy" option or the like in my bios. Would turning secure boot on and loading the "HP defualts" for this have anything to do with that? |
| 20:20.58 | ranix | it sounds like you are trying to use legacy boot and not efi boot |
| 20:21.04 | ranix | and need to do the opposite |
| 20:21.22 | ranix | I'll duck out in case someone else here knows more, that's all I can do for you |
| 20:21.43 | yooz | OK, thank you very much for your help. |
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| 20:28.25 | golinux | yooz: Next time stay in quarantine |
| 20:29.22 | yooz | ^no doubt. I was dumb. |
| 20:31.05 | yooz | I'm a bit more isolated than most..but I've given enough sob story. I just hope that I can access my keepass file. I can access it with a yubikey if I can get to it. Feel like I'm close...but so far. |
| 20:33.15 | golinux | Hope everything works out for you |
| 20:42.00 | sixwheeledbeast | why not boot your live image and mount the luks system from there? |
| 20:42.20 | sixwheeledbeast | if you had a mint or other distro working? |
| 20:43.07 | yooz | I should be able to do this from the Gnome Disks gui, or no? |
| 20:43.19 | yooz | that's what I've tried |
| 20:47.20 | yooz | from mint, it tells me the PW is incorrect or not a LUKS partition. I'm almost certain that I've got the PW, right. I could be off on the last digit or two. Could I use Hashcat in that case? The password is only 6-7 chars and I'm 100% certain on the first four. |
| 20:48.39 | sixwheeledbeast | no idea, when i use LUKS I just mount using my file manager. I suppose there will be some CLI option. |
| 20:51.35 | fsmithred | blkid will tell you which partitions are LUKS |
| 20:52.01 | fsmithred | you could mount from command line or.. |
| 20:53.07 | sixwheeledbeast | Brute forcing a decent 7 char password would likely take a few months or so? |
| 20:53.10 | fsmithred | if you can boot live media, you could get to grub command line and boot the drive |
| 20:53.40 | yooz | I know the first 4 digits with 100% certainty, six |
| 20:53.43 | sixwheeledbeast | although you have a few chars I suppose |
| 20:53.48 | fsmithred | one two or three unknown |
| 20:53.53 | yooz | right |
| 20:53.54 | fsmithred | one/only |
| 20:54.04 | fsmithred | won't take long |
| 20:54.15 | yooz | i could do one only myself hunt n peck style on the keyboard |
| 20:54.42 | yooz | 2-3...gonna need some help |
| 20:56.01 | yooz | I began to wonder if I was even attempting something possible (mounting it from Mint live in Disks gui). You guys have given me some more direction with the UEFI/Legacy situation and sixwheeledbeast, I think I will continue to try to mount the partition from a live medium. I'm going to get back to it and see if I can figure this out. |
| 20:56.24 | yooz | thank you all for the input |
| 20:57.33 | yooz | one last thing, I can load Mint live...the UEFI/Legacy thing is moot as far as trying to mount the partition, right? |
| 20:57.48 | fsmithred | right |
| 20:57.59 | fsmithred | once you boot, the uefi is irrelevant |
| 20:58.04 | yooz | I should be able to mount the Home partition from another distro, like Mint regardless? |
| 20:58.05 | yooz | ok |
| 20:58.13 | fsmithred | yes |
| 20:58.37 | fsmithred | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sd... some-label |
| 20:58.54 | fsmithred | mount /dev/mapper/some-label /some-mountpoint |
| 20:59.30 | fsmithred | or maybe /dev/nvme-whatever |
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| 21:14.15 | aitor | hi |
| 21:35.02 | yooz | "Error: /dev/nvme0n1p3 is not a valid LUKS volume, or you don't have permission to access it." |
| 21:35.32 | yooz | using bruteforce-luks to eek out the last 2-3 chars, this is the error I'm getting |
| 21:40.07 | yooz | sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/nvme0n1p3 = expected output, AFAIK. anyone know what the permission issue would be? TIA |
| 21:41.16 | sixwheeledbeast | just the generic response that the password is wrong? |
| 21:42.00 | yooz | that's the error when I attempt: bruteforce-luks -t 6 -l 6 -m 7 -b "****" /dev/nvme0n1p3 |
| 21:43.58 | yooz | 6 threads, 6minimum chars, 7 max, beginning of PW "****" |
| 21:44.19 | yooz | sudo or no, permission error |
| 21:51.21 | Guest20811 | sudo chown -R yooz /dev/nvme0n1p3? |
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| 21:55.55 | yooz | i had tried that but no. I didn't recursive at first but didn't change outcome |
| 21:57.24 | yooz | I made backup of the header, btw. Pretty sure I got that right, not sure if any if this can be destructive |
| 22:00.42 | Guest20811 | i misundertood your problem, which is the output of "lvscan"? |
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| 22:02.52 | Guest20811 | maybe you need to activate it with vgchange |
| 22:06.35 | Guest20811 | you need device mapper support for that (dm-mod kernel module): |
| 22:06.46 | Guest20811 | # modprobe dm-mod |
| 22:06.49 | Guest20811 | and then: |
| 22:08.08 | Guest20811 | # vgchange -ay /dev/... |
| 22:08.33 | Guest20811 | in the case of being it inactive |
| 22:09.15 | Guest20811 | https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/logical_volume_manager_administration/vg_activate |
| 22:10.07 | yooz | ok, I will try this. ty |
| 22:10.46 | Guest20811 | use vgchange --help |
| 22:11.25 | Guest20811 | -a: activate -y: yes |
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| 23:31.07 | yooz | same error when I attempt bruteforce-luks. # vgchange -a y activates all and -ay activates all across all VG and devices. Any reason to avoid doing this? |
| 23:32.41 | yooz | scratch that. "and -ay activates all" was meant to be deleted |
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