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| 01:46.47 | crhylove | What's the easiest/best way to roll your own devuan these days? |
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| 01:49.54 | mason | crhylove: Do you mean forking the distribution, or doing a deboostrap install? |
| 01:50.10 | mason | crhylove: If the latter, grab one of the live images and you'll have everything you need. |
| 01:55.14 | gnarface | crhylove: (for the former, there are build scripts in the gitlab you can check out) |
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| 02:14.58 | golinux | crhylove: You mean take a snapshot of your current setup? If yes, refractasnapshot. It's in the repos |
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| 02:52.23 | crhylove | Cool! Thanks. Gonna have to build a good image first... |
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| 04:29.37 | meep_____ | Is this the freedumb channel? |
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| 06:33.14 | robin | hello everybody hope youre all fine |
| 06:33.37 | robin | i have a quick question regarding minimal install and devuan |
| 06:34.21 | robin | on debian i usually take the unofficial nonfree firmware netinstall, but here in devuan its only the netinstall? i will not have any wifi then cause of drivers i think |
| 06:34.35 | robin | what would you guys suggest? :) |
| 06:36.25 | robin | is it best to make a debian netinstall unofficial firmware and then just go over to devuan from that way maybe? |
| 06:37.30 | gnarface | robin: the devuan official netinstall includes the non-free wifi drivers, ironically so you wouldn't have to ask this |
| 06:37.54 | robin | really? |
| 06:38.04 | gnarface | yea |
| 06:38.06 | gnarface | it should just work |
| 06:38.08 | robin | but i couldnt find my wifi from tty there |
| 06:38.14 | gnarface | oh, hmmm |
| 06:38.27 | gnarface | i guess some might be missing, which hardware? |
| 06:38.30 | robin | in debian i make /etc/network/interfaces and so on |
| 06:38.36 | gnarface | yes, that should work |
| 06:38.44 | robin | thinkpad t430 is the laptop |
| 06:39.04 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep firmware |
| 06:39.05 | gnarface | ? |
| 06:39.55 | robin | ii firmware-iwlwifi 20190114-2 all Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cardsii firmware-linux-free 3.4 all Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernelii intel-microcode 3.20200616.1~deb10u1 |
| 06:39.56 | robin | amd64 Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs |
| 06:40.07 | gnarface | that's probably the right one |
| 06:40.16 | gnarface | unless your hardware is just too new |
| 06:40.23 | gnarface | but if it worked in debian it would work here |
| 06:40.30 | robin | weird stuff |
| 06:40.37 | robin | i was thinking the same |
| 06:40.50 | gnarface | "ifconfig -a" doesn't show it? |
| 06:41.02 | gnarface | perhaps you're just not expecting the old style "eth0" network names? |
| 06:41.23 | robin | i can try again today and see =) |
| 06:41.28 | robin | thank you gnarface |
| 06:41.40 | gnarface | alright, good luck |
| 06:42.25 | gnarface | and no problem, robin |
| 06:42.39 | gnarface | it might be called wlan0 or eth0 i'm not sure |
| 06:42.56 | gnarface | but it won't have the new style names by default |
| 06:43.31 | robin | yes its all good, will check =) |
| 06:43.39 | robin | see u maybe later :) |
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| 06:56.32 | n4dir | trying to run startx as user fails. Xorglog says: drmset Master failed for driver 0 |
| 06:57.58 | n4dir | hmm. I created another user and he can startx. |
| 06:58.55 | n4dir | probably a typo in xinitrc. rm 'ed it and now it works. sorry for the noise, been a long night. |
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| 11:42.44 | psarria | hi guys, i'm in devuan beowulf and i would like install monit but this package is not available, what can i do ? use buster-backports ? |
| 11:45.17 | fsmithred | psarria, use beowulf-backports |
| 11:48.47 | psarria | fsmithred, thanks a lot |
| 11:51.04 | n4dir | fsmithred: this is the right way to pin: http://paste.debian.net/1164032/ ? File is /etc/apt/preferences.d/00librazika |
| 11:52.10 | fsmithred | n4dir, I think so. There should be an example that looks like yours in man apt_preferences |
| 11:53.07 | n4dir | It *seems* to work, but later i disabled the repo. But on the very old laptop it went horribly south (completely without pinning though). I could repair it, but am not too keen to run in it again |
| 11:53.38 | n4dir | hence i ask. I think i never pinned in my life :-) |
| 11:58.34 | fsmithred | yeah, without pinning you could run into trouble with wrong versions of libraries getting pulled in |
| 11:59.12 | fsmithred | and repairing a situation like that could be tricky, depending on how difficult it is to find the packages from that repo. |
| 12:00.11 | n4dir | pretty much anything i need is in the repos. |
| 12:00.57 | n4dir | i will probably keep the pinning, install what i think i need, then disable the repo again. This is hardly high-security operation, no need for instant upgrades |
| 12:02.16 | n4dir | 3 installations in 3 days, in general all worked well. |
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| 12:15.11 | n4dir | the bad news: On this installation qjackctl freezes the screen, using a window manager, and i have to pkill it from the TTY |
| 12:15.36 | n4dir | i installed cadence, so not really a problem. But still weird |
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| 12:22.33 | fsmithred | are you running out of ram? |
| 12:24.11 | fsmithred | time for food. back in a few. |
| 12:24.37 | n4dir | not even close to running out of RAM |
| 12:29.07 | n4dir | installed xfce4, started it, no problems with qjack there. |
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| 12:45.19 | fsmithred | n4dir, how do you start a terminal in fluxbox? |
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| 12:45.42 | n4dir | i think alt+F1, while alt + F2 will give you a command prompt |
| 12:46.04 | n4dir | only know the former as i missed the F2 key a couple of times last night. |
| 12:46.41 | fsmithred | yeah, that works. |
| 12:46.57 | fsmithred | no lockup with qjackctl. I tried in icewm and fluxbox |
| 12:46.58 | n4dir | and was wondering why i don't use fluxbox in general. It does everything exactly the way i want it |
| 12:47.08 | n4dir | sysv or openrc, i got openrc |
| 12:47.17 | n4dir | but i am pretty lost as to why that might happen |
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| 12:47.26 | fsmithred | sysvinit here |
| 12:48.18 | n4dir | i had it with old-stable, but not with stable. I had it in AVLinux, thats why i switched to Ubuntustudio (where you don't use qjack anyway, but ubuntustudio-controls) |
| 12:48.45 | n4dir | and the biggest fun is that it works perfectly fine for xfce (no matter which of the distros i used) |
| 12:48.48 | fsmithred | I just tested on chimaera |
| 12:49.39 | n4dir | let me detach from screen, log out of e16 and try in fluxbox. |
| 12:51.20 | n4dir | happens in fluxbox too. Probably i miss a package somewhere. |
| 12:52.30 | n4dir | Anyway. No need to investigate this any further now. I will use cadence. And as it doesn't seem to be a general bug, lets leave it as the usual voodoo |
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| 14:09.37 | Robin | Anyone else here that have very slow shutdown when you have encrypted disks? |
| 14:09.53 | Robin | i have read about it and its a common issue |
| 14:10.18 | Robin | and you can edit this and that file but im abit afraid to do so in the case i will blow up my system lol.. |
| 14:10.36 | Robin | its stuck on the crypt, cant remember excactly message |
| 14:11.00 | Robin | sda5_crypt(busy) |
| 14:11.34 | Hurgotron | I have encrypted root on RAID-1, and yes, it's somehow stuck and seems to be terminated the hard way after a timeout, AFAIR |
| 14:11.46 | Robin | yeah okey : p |
| 14:11.50 | Robin | you just live with it? |
| 14:12.06 | Hurgotron | So far I have ignored the issue since I rarely reboot :P |
| 14:13.04 | Robin | i understand haha = ) |
| 14:13.06 | Robin | Openrc? |
| 14:13.13 | Hurgotron | sysv |
| 14:13.35 | Robin | think its same issue for both seems like anyway :P |
| 14:15.30 | Hurgotron | my wild guess is that it's something with the handover from the initrc do the real root... it would be fun to look into it, if I had the time. It's on the pile of my todos, but not very high up |
| 14:15.56 | Hurgotron | *initrd |
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| 14:35.13 | fsmithred | Too bad Robin left. In beowulf-proposed-updates is a package to fix the slow shutdown with encryption. Install cryptsetup-modified-functions. |
| 14:35.43 | fsmithred | Hurgotron ^^^ |
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| 15:08.35 | Hurgotron | fsmithred: Ah nice! I'll try that on my laptop(s). |
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| 18:41.44 | meep_____ | It's not |
| 18:42.36 | meep_____ | It's that you can't 'unload' your root device from /dev/dm/ if it's your root device |
| 18:42.47 | meep_____ | Without encryption your not going through dm-mapper |
| 18:43.11 | meep_____ | You can just remount root as read-only, park the heads and kill the power |
| 18:43.23 | meep_____ | (modern drives seem to park heads for you) |
| 18:43.56 | meep_____ | But with luks/dm-crypt there's another layer |
| 18:44.34 | meep_____ | There is no way to gracefully umount an encrypted root |
| 18:45.12 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.18 | meep_____ | There just needs to be an adjustment made to the bash script that controls that to not care about fully gracefully bringing down the rootfs |
| 18:45.18 | fsmithred | actually, there are a couple ways |
| 18:45.27 | fsmithred | one would be to run systemd instead of sysvinit |
| 18:45.33 | meep_____ | Mount ro, then maybe run sync |
| 18:45.48 | fsmithred | the other is to make some changes in /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks-functions |
| 18:46.06 | meep_____ | Already ahead of you fsmithred |
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| 22:54.30 | Xenguy | read today the sad story of a Debian Developer who removed the SysV init script from his network-manager package for no reason. Pretty sad to see. |
| 22:54.58 | Xenguy | Not sure if that is OT here though. |
| 22:55.57 | mason | Yeah, that'd be #devuan-offtopic |
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| 23:01.33 | Xenguy | np |
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