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| 01:46.16 | n4dir | So i got this third party repository, librazik, audio-stuff, which you are told to install on top of debian. I assume it would not be possible to add that respository to devuan? |
| 01:47.16 | gnarface | n4dir: possible but ill advised to varying degrees depending on how much their software depends on debian package that are banned in devuan |
| 01:47.40 | gnarface | n4dir: if it doesn't use systemd at all, it might work fine |
| 01:47.42 | fsmithred | n4dir, pin it to a lower priority and pay attention to versions of whatever else it pulls in |
| 01:47.52 | n4dir | gnarface: so i guess i could add the repo, try to install what i think i need, add -s --simultate and look at the output? |
| 01:47.59 | fsmithred | or use -s to see what it would install |
| 01:48.06 | fsmithred | then install those things from devuan repo |
| 01:48.13 | n4dir | so at least it is worth a try? thats all i ask for |
| 01:48.17 | n4dir | okay. |
| 01:48.18 | gnarface | n4dir: yea, and then make sure to remove the repo again after you're done getting whatever you needed from there |
| 01:48.22 | fsmithred | yeah, just be careful |
| 01:48.40 | n4dir | this is a test laptopt only anyway. So if it goes south no biggie. Will go for another machine next |
| 01:48.46 | n4dir | thanks folks. |
| 01:48.50 | fsmithred | I know you can handle it |
| 01:49.27 | fsmithred | what's the repo - I might try it |
| 01:49.33 | n4dir | i don't really know how devuan/debian-systemd/dependencies/such relate to each other. |
| 01:49.36 | n4dir | librazik. |
| 01:49.39 | n4dir | wait |
| 01:50.06 | n4dir | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/pasapas LZK-PAP-users main contrib non-free |
| 01:50.43 | fsmithred | do you know what version of ubuntu it goes with? |
| 01:50.51 | fsmithred | or debian |
| 01:50.51 | n4dir | take care to not install librazik-apt-fr. Or you will have to learn french |
| 01:50.58 | n4dir | debian stable |
| 01:50.59 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:51.32 | gnarface | n4dir: note that *ubuntu* repos might also work but add additional risk because their packages aren't always named 1:1 the same as debians, nor necessarily have dependencies mapped the same |
| 01:52.04 | n4dir | gnarface: yeah, as in forums and such the problems of ubuntu-debian mixing occur a lot, i asked. |
| 01:52.29 | n4dir | I will give it a try later. They got cool software, in case one cares for audio |
| 01:52.39 | n4dir | not in debian, not in ubuntu, it seems. |
| 01:52.56 | gnarface | :-/ there's usually a good reason |
| 01:53.13 | gnarface | sometimes it's just licensing but sometimes it's because the repo is known for a history of wrecking installs |
| 01:53.32 | n4dir | nah, in this case it is probably only missing manpower |
| 01:54.20 | fsmithred | oh, need the gpg key |
| 01:54.34 | n4dir | i mainly care for carla, or cadence, which does what qjackctl does, but a bit more easy |
| 01:54.39 | n4dir | the repo has it i think |
| 01:55.22 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.49 | fsmithred | nope |
| 01:59.01 | fsmithred | or I can't get it until I update |
| 01:59.07 | fsmithred | catch 22 |
| 01:59.13 | n4dir | http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/pasapas/ |
| 01:59.51 | n4dir | probably thats why they told me to first get the keyring from that site and then add the repos. |
| 02:00.06 | n4dir | in the installation guide, not directly ... |
| 02:01.07 | fsmithred | what package to install? |
| 02:01.35 | n4dir | librazik-keyring_3_all.deb ? |
| 02:01.47 | fsmithred | that's already installed and cache is updated |
| 02:01.57 | fsmithred | there are 40 packages with librazik in the name |
| 02:02.01 | n4dir | ah, duh. You mean which package to try? |
| 02:02.25 | n4dir | Yeah, zynaddsubfx is from them and has the shiny new interface. Also i care for carla (or cadence) |
| 02:02.32 | n4dir | helm perhaps. |
| 02:02.51 | n4dir | Just try if it works at all, i will look at it later, assuming the house won't burn down for you |
| 02:03.40 | n4dir | none of them is in debian repos (zyn is, but the old version) |
| 02:04.03 | fsmithred | libasound2 and libc6 in beowulf are more than new enough for helm |
| 02:04.14 | n4dir | so helm would work? |
| 02:04.19 | fsmithred | I think so |
| 02:04.38 | n4dir | systemd troubles i mean. --- Ah, thats cool already. Try carla if you got the time, please |
| 02:05.17 | n4dir | cause for the life of me i can't make qjackctl start jack on that stoneage laptop, and it seems helm can work with alsa too |
| 02:05.32 | n4dir | No ams ! The tragedy ! |
| 02:05.41 | gnarface | well, you might have to write an init script but there's really nothing to it |
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| 02:05.55 | n4dir | gnarface: sorry, init script for? |
| 02:06.18 | gnarface | n4dir: any daemons that are expecting to be started by systemd instead if these guys have removed the old scripts from their repos |
| 02:06.39 | n4dir | ah. I start to understand. Ok. |
| 02:06.50 | n4dir | ok -> thanks |
| 02:06.54 | gnarface | hopefully the infestation isn't any worse than that |
| 02:07.04 | gnarface | because that, you can fix with just a text editor |
| 02:07.37 | fsmithred | looks like ascii versions might be new enough |
| 02:07.58 | n4dir | ascii is what debian calls old-stable? |
| 02:08.14 | fsmithred | yeah, stretch |
| 02:09.12 | n4dir | i will fool around with it, then put devuan on the other old laptop with more horsepower (512 of RAM, holy-moly), then go on |
| 02:09.44 | n4dir | the other laptop has still a working CD drive, so at least no debootstrap stuff |
| 02:10.16 | fsmithred | oh yeah, make a snapshot before you mess up the system |
| 02:10.31 | fsmithred | in case you want to reinstall |
| 02:10.34 | n4dir | btw: that librazik stuff is only on top of, not necessary. I got more than enough in the usual repos. |
| 02:11.21 | n4dir | as you use audacity. That is not something you learn in 5 minutes. I am fine with what i got. |
| 02:11.57 | n4dir | synthesizers are really cool though. As you said you do stuff with "radio". Nice background noises |
| 02:12.05 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't need anything new, but maybe I'll take a look. |
| 02:12.44 | n4dir | apt-cache show librazik-logiciels-all |
| 02:12.58 | fsmithred | you should continue making noise comositions |
| 02:13.00 | n4dir | i think, not sure, that is *all* the audio software they offer |
| 02:13.50 | n4dir | Yeah. It is lots of fun. But you really get very weird by it. modular synthesizers are really strange. But the already prestent alsa modular synthesizer is fine. Doesn't look that shiny though |
| 02:15.06 | n4dir | i really like: seq24 for an easy sequence, hydrogen for drums and on top of that some wild synth stuff (diminished scale like) |
| 02:15.18 | n4dir | easy and fast to do, but the result. Oh my ... |
| 02:15.38 | fsmithred | Need to get 1,267 MB/1,275 MB of archives. After unpacking 4,293 MB will be used |
| 02:15.46 | fsmithred | holy shit |
| 02:15.49 | n4dir | As said: they are serious. |
| 02:16.11 | n4dir | soundfonts are pretty huge though. I think. (as you know: all i say: as far i could figure out yet) |
| 02:16.29 | golinux | And they're off!! |
| 02:16.57 | n4dir | took me 2 hours to install packages, and i didn't pick *all*. |
| 02:18.05 | n4dir | but who on earth can handle that amount of software? I hardly use more than 10 apps. Rather less than 5 |
| 02:26.15 | fsmithred | you got a ~/.jackdrc in the one that doesn't start? |
| 02:26.37 | n4dir | yes, sometimes if i remove it it works (on the debian/librazik). |
| 02:26.46 | n4dir | but on devuan i haven't figured it out yet |
| 02:27.19 | n4dir | hence i slightly prefer ubuntustudio, as they don't have that problem. Which is quite hard for me |
| 02:27.56 | n4dir | it starts, it doesn't start. I found no pattern yet |
| 02:31.50 | n4dir | now i am back to what i talked about the other day: starting qjackctl gui will freeze the screen, and i have to pkill it from a TTY. Wasn't like that in the beginning though |
| 02:32.14 | fsmithred | you said that happens in openbox? |
| 02:32.25 | fsmithred | I only use it in xfce |
| 02:32.27 | n4dir | with all window managers. Not with DE's |
| 02:32.36 | n4dir | all i tested. |
| 02:33.35 | n4dir | that are two different problems. in case i was unclear. One is opening qjackctl freeze the screen. The other is that works, but it fails to start jack. |
| 02:36.32 | n4dir | but to be honest: the laptop where ubuntustudio is installed is by far the one with most horsepower. So that might be the reason too |
| 02:38.56 | n4dir | fsmithred: did you do pinning or did you just add the repos ? |
| 02:39.08 | fsmithred | pinned it to 40 |
| 02:39.25 | fsmithred | and then commented the line after looking at a few things |
| 02:39.49 | n4dir | ok. |
| 02:40.22 | fsmithred | this is not a test installation I'm playing with |
| 02:40.54 | n4dir | yeah. You can probably remove it altogether. But if ever someone looks for weird audio stuff, that repo is sure worth to check |
| 02:41.08 | n4dir | most mention something like KXStudio or such |
| 02:41.33 | n4dir | i just found vcvrack, which i only found for arch linux yet |
| 02:41.35 | fsmithred | yeah, I've seen that one |
| 02:41.49 | n4dir | would have gone for it, but it seemed pretty "old" |
| 02:42.38 | n4dir | i don't care for "newer" versions, but i was not sure how active they are |
| 02:42.54 | n4dir | also looked at dynebolic. Though old, very nice |
| 02:43.01 | fsmithred | lol |
| 02:43.06 | fsmithred | yeah, very old |
| 02:43.17 | n4dir | the choosen software is of my liking |
| 02:44.06 | fsmithred | does it have anything that's not in debian/devuan? |
| 02:44.17 | n4dir | dynebolic, KX or ? |
| 02:45.02 | n4dir | qjackctl with xfce, devuan, crappy laptop: doesn't freeze the screen, but dies with a short error "Bus Error" |
| 02:45.30 | n4dir | just fyi, in case ever someone runs qjackctl with WM and it freezes. It is not unusual it seem |
| 02:46.02 | n4dir | and it is not that xfce would abuse that much of ressources |
| 02:47.40 | fsmithred | I think there's a setting to disallow jack using dbus |
| 02:47.59 | n4dir | thanks, i will search for that. I don't even know what dbus is. lol |
| 02:48.21 | fsmithred | inter-process communication |
| 02:49.02 | n4dir | in general devuan works pretty well on this crappy laptop. |
| 02:49.18 | n4dir | so thumbs up from this side of the ocean |
| 02:52.04 | fsmithred | it's debian without systemd. What could go wrong? |
| 02:52.26 | n4dir | i gotta say: this systemd thing is very depressing for me. Seriously. |
| 02:52.56 | n4dir | If all those audio distros wouldn't be debian/ubuntu based, i would have gone for a different distro |
| 02:54.07 | n4dir | though i yet have found nothing i really like. devuan is probably the best choice for me. Got the tools i know, more or less, but am rid of that systemd crap |
| 02:54.27 | fsmithred | sorry, I missed your question. I wanted to know if dynebolic had stuff that's not in repo |
| 02:54.53 | fsmithred | jaromil was talking about reviving it, but that was a year ago |
| 02:56.10 | n4dir | i am not sure. I had a quick view at the menu, and what i know and need was there. A few apps i didn't know, and they were not in debian repos. But it might be they ceased to exist |
| 02:56.23 | n4dir | would be worth reviving it. |
| 02:56.41 | n4dir | yes, it was old, but i really liked it |
| 03:00.27 | fsmithred | I'm off to bed. |
| 03:00.37 | fsmithred | good to see you. |
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| 06:41.15 | snyper | free at last free at last ! :p |
| 06:43.28 | snyper | anyone know if i can use python 2.7 with 3.0 ? |
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| 06:44.02 | snyper | anyone know if i can use python 2.7 with beowulf 3.0 ? |
| 06:44.20 | gnarface | i think you probably can yes, snyper |
| 06:44.26 | gnarface | check here: pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 06:44.33 | snyper | thanks :) |
| 06:44.37 | gnarface | no problem |
| 06:44.49 | snyper | i have an older software to run and it requires 2.7 |
| 06:46.01 | scraiht | i have an beowulf standard install and python2.7 is installed |
| 06:46.12 | snyper | ok cool its in the list, i guess i just have to apt install python 2.7? |
| 06:46.31 | snyper | ah ok , neato |
| 06:46.34 | snyper | tnx :) |
| 06:48.15 | scraiht | python2.7 on my system is installed because of python-subversion. do not know if it's in the standard install also |
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| 07:21.59 | snyper | cant find package with lsusb , any ideas ? |
| 07:22.29 | snyper | slash wrists, invalid command ;P |
| 07:22.51 | scraiht | @snyper: usbutils i think |
| 07:23.02 | snyper | ty, gonna have a look ;) |
| 07:23.36 | snyper | bingo, thanks :) |
| 07:23.56 | snyper | got lazy using other distros... now i have to think again LOL |
| 07:26.09 | scraiht | :-) |
| 07:29.46 | snyper | hope im not bothering, but where do i edit my ntp server manually ? i dont seem to see ntp.conf in /etc |
| 07:30.28 | gnarface | it should be there |
| 07:31.13 | gnarface | i mean, if ntp is installed |
| 07:31.24 | snyper | lol sorry, just noticed its not installed |
| 07:31.36 | scraiht | i do not have it either. openntp is installed |
| 07:32.00 | scraiht | openntpd that is |
| 07:32.45 | scraiht | dpkg -L says the config file is: /etc/openntpd/ntpd.conf |
| 07:32.47 | snyper | openntpd better than the ntpd ? |
| 07:33.10 | scraiht | i do not know. it came with the beowulf desktop installation |
| 07:33.20 | snyper | ah ok, im using server cd 1 |
| 07:34.34 | snyper | no problem just installed openntpd, pretty strait forward |
| 07:35.39 | gnarface | they're just different |
| 07:35.58 | gnarface | openntpd is for performance, ntp is for precision |
| 07:36.07 | gnarface | they're both fairly lightweight by modern standards though |
| 07:36.48 | snyper | ok ill switch to ntp in that case, tnx 4 the info |
| 07:38.00 | gnarface | no problem |
| 07:46.01 | snyper | curious, there is a systemd folder in /etc ... whyyyyyy |
| 07:51.51 | gnarface | snyper: "init-system-helpers" package |
| 07:53.05 | gnarface | snyper: (dpkg -L init-system-helpers) |
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| 07:54.17 | snyper | i just thought devuan would stay systemd free :p |
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| 07:57.30 | gnarface | unfortuntely the mere word "systemd" has annoyingly infected all sorts of things |
| 07:57.42 | gnarface | it's harmless though |
| 07:57.45 | snyper | its tenticles get into everything |
| 07:57.57 | snyper | lol |
| 07:58.06 | snyper | tell that to an ex slackware user ;P |
| 07:59.13 | snyper | wonder if linus is getting much microsoft money now that he sided with bill .... OMG im gonna get kicked ;) |
| 08:01.41 | snyper | ya so chmod -x britty isnt working... strangeness... |
| 08:02.26 | snyper | ok i need glasses .... |
| 08:02.34 | snyper | brltty ... lol not britty |
| 08:03.23 | snyper | i can almost hear someone thinking is he gonna get a kernel panick yet, hes too noisy ;) |
| 08:04.05 | snyper | anyhow...tnx for da help guys |
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| 10:42.47 | openbsdtai123 | hello |
| 10:43.25 | openbsdtai123 | A question, how to debootstrap the base system of amd64 on /target, but this instead of sysvinit, the OpenRC. I would prefer to have openrc ! |
| 10:43.36 | openbsdtai123 | thank you and looking forward to hearing you |
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| 11:01.26 | ottavio | Hi openbsdtai123 I did ask a somewhat similar question on the Devuan forum |
| 11:01.52 | ottavio | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3806 |
| 11:02.46 | ottavio | I think you need to install Openrc afterwards, but senior irc members are free to correct me. |
| 11:03.21 | ottavio | I have kind of lost interest in openrc. |
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| 11:04.36 | ottavio | In any case, you need to do some post installation steps after debootstrap. |
| 11:11.10 | fsmithred | openbsdtai123, --include=openrc (I think that's enough) |
| 11:11.43 | fsmithred | or yeah, install it in chroot after the initial debootstrap |
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| 11:45.43 | ottavio | On the topic of openrc, is there a guide on installing and configuring openrc on Devuan? I have only found bits and pieces. |
| 11:48.14 | fsmithred | ottavio, information is scattered. Check forum and mailing list. (dev1galaxy.org and dng mailing list) |
| 11:49.07 | fsmithred | This might be good: https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC |
| 11:49.30 | ottavio | Will Devuan ever fork completely from Debian or is the goal of maintaining compatibility more important? |
| 11:49.58 | fsmithred | hell no! We can't package all 60,000 packages |
| 11:50.16 | fsmithred | goal is to provide debian without systemd. |
| 11:50.36 | fsmithred | best case scenario is that debian comes to its senses and we no longer have a reason to exist. |
| 11:50.49 | ottavio | What if Debian drops sysvinit completely? |
| 11:51.05 | ottavio | Debian will never come to its senses. |
| 11:51.16 | fsmithred | yeah, I believe that. |
| 11:51.44 | fsmithred | if debian drops sysvinit, we'll have to keep up with a lot of init scripts |
| 11:51.54 | ottavio | If Debian drops sysvinit support, you'll have 1000s of packages to rewrite. |
| 11:52.17 | fsmithred | there are probably other ways to deal with that |
| 11:53.06 | fsmithred | what's probably going to happen is that all the other init systems will be able to use systemd service files |
| 11:54.10 | ottavio | Not a very clean solution. |
| 11:54.16 | fsmithred | sure it is |
| 11:54.36 | fsmithred | service files are probably the best (only good?) thing about that mess |
| 11:55.24 | ottavio | I'm working in the reverse direction. I want to bring bsd rc.d files to traditional Linux init. |
| 11:55.53 | ottavio | I though Openrc was part of the journey but it turns out I was wrong. |
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| 11:56.19 | ottavio | s/bsd/NetBSD |
| 11:56.35 | fsmithred | what do the bsd files looks like? scripts? |
| 11:57.35 | ottavio | Yes, just sh scripts. In particular I'm referring to NetBSD rc.d and rc.subr. I still have to digest the whole lot. |
| 11:59.12 | fsmithred | well, good to have mutliple solutions. |
| 11:59.36 | ottavio | Rc scripts: http://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-release-9/src/etc/rc.d/ |
| 11:59.49 | ottavio | rc.subr http://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-release-9/src/etc/rc.subr |
| 12:00.25 | ottavio | This can somewhat be implemented on top of sysvinit or systemd but it's just a hack. |
| 12:01.12 | fsmithred | that looks simple |
| 12:01.56 | fsmithred | runit is also available in devuan |
| 12:02.27 | fsmithred | I have no idea if that fits better with what you're doing. Also s6 is available. |
| 12:07.51 | ottavio | The NetBSD rc.d system is by far the best init script system there is. Openrc is the one that goes closest but not close enough. |
| 12:10.42 | ottavio | I just wonder why Devuan devs use nicknames and rarely reveal their real name. I find this bizarre. |
| 12:11.17 | ottavio | Maybe you guys all work for Red Hat/IBM and don't want to be found out. |
| 12:15.28 | n4dir | No one knows you are a dog ... |
| 12:17.34 | fsmithred | lol |
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| 12:19.28 | n4dir | on another note: i was annoyed by the most old laptop, and put devuan on the second most old one. 512 of RAM, qjackctl starts, and it seems to work well so far |
| 12:19.38 | fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/team <- lots of real names here |
| 12:19.44 | n4dir | added the librazik repo, found out about that pinning thing, but commented anyway |
| 12:19.53 | n4dir | short: all looks good so far |
| 12:19.59 | fsmithred | cool |
| 12:20.04 | n4dir | yes, very cool. |
| 12:20.16 | fsmithred | qjack with a wm? |
| 12:20.21 | n4dir | btw: i saw grub-menu says debian, is that so |
| 12:20.24 | n4dir | yes. |
| 12:20.53 | n4dir | that was back then, old debian, and now on the old laptop. But there the problem seems to be the laptop itself, not qjack or WM or such |
| 12:21.02 | fsmithred | yeah, that's normal. You can change it in /etc/os-release ID=devuan or in /etc/default/grub |
| 12:21.11 | n4dir | Ah, ok then. No, i don |
| 12:21.13 | n4dir | t mind much |
| 12:21.32 | fsmithred | we did that for the signed grub-efi package |
| 12:21.38 | fsmithred | so secure boot will work |
| 12:22.04 | n4dir | In the middle of the night i picked openrc. Not that sure how good that decision was. But the truth: i also forgot everything bout sysv, besides sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:22.10 | n4dir | ah, isee |
| 12:22.30 | n4dir | also picked xfce4 during tasksel, which now bugs me. |
| 12:22.42 | n4dir | xfce4 is fine, the metapacke problem is what bugs me. |
| 12:22.56 | n4dir | say i really don |
| 12:22.57 | fsmithred | any time I've installed openrc in a test system, I did nothing with it, and the only way I know it's there is because of the different colors in the boot scroll. |
| 12:23.01 | n4dir | t need office programs |
| 12:23.08 | n4dir | lol |
| 12:23.30 | n4dir | well: no matter which init i use now, i have to search the web to start or stop a service |
| 12:25.09 | fsmithred | if you apt-get install the individual parts of xfce then you can remove xfce4 and the parts you want will stay. |
| 12:25.38 | fsmithred | or did you install task-xfce-desktop? |
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| 12:27.15 | wikan | waves |
| 12:27.17 | fsmithred | I'll pm you the list of xfce packages I install in refracta |
| 12:28.32 | wikan | hi. I can't find how to solve my problem. I use Debian and Devuan. Installed smtube. I use SMTube as lightweight browser for youtube so I use webview and mobile version of this website. |
| 12:29.06 | wikan | On Debian smtube play HTML5 videos but on Devuan doesn't. I installed smtube from website via dpkg on both systems |
| 12:29.49 | wikan | I can't find a solution. No matter what I do, what I install, smtube can't play html5 videos still |
| 12:29.56 | wikan | do youhave any idea? |
| 12:30.10 | fsmithred | no. all that stuff is the same in debian and devuan. |
| 12:31.21 | wikan | maybe chromium is an answer because I dont have chromium on Devuan |
| 12:31.27 | fsmithred | wikan, why not use smtube from repo? |
| 12:31.27 | wikan | and smtube use webkit |
| 12:32.28 | wikan | because smtube from repo doesn't work. Don't play anything. Repo has v18 and v20 from website has mobile youtube webview |
| 12:33.15 | fsmithred | does youtube keep breaking it like they do with youtube-dl? |
| 12:33.45 | wikan | probably because v20 can't fint video url |
| 12:34.48 | wikan | but becouse of forcing mobile version of youtube in webkit webview I can play videos still |
| 12:36.56 | ottavio | fsmithred: n4dir this is why the rc.d system is better. All you have to do is add "$service=YES" to rc.conf and reboot. |
| 12:37.50 | fsmithred | I think n4dir was talking about starting/stopping from command-line (without reboot) |
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| 12:44.30 | n4dir | Yes. And yes, it is easy. I only tried to point out that i have to websearch it each time |
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| 13:15.18 | fsmithred | afk, bbl |
| 13:16.45 | n4dir | :-) |
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| 15:21.55 | ttr | hello and apologies if this is something on my fault, but is the an issue with packages.devuan.org / packages.roundr.devuan.org ? first one redirect to secnd one and second one is having tcp timeout on 5.196.38.18. Did sources.list should have different urls ? thanks. |
| 15:23.35 | ttr | and i think I found anwser - pkgmaster.devuan.org is right one but would like to some one confirm this for me. |
| 15:23.40 | xinomilo | https://devuan.org/os/packages |
| 15:23.50 | mason | ttr: You want deb.devuan.org/merged |
| 15:24.01 | ttr | thx :) |
| 15:24.03 | ttr | even better |
| 15:31.09 | ttr | confirmed - all works now. Thank you :) |
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| 19:11.58 | fling | Where can I find lxd package? |
| 19:12.13 | fling | I don't want to use snap |
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| 20:22.28 | gnarface | fling: i did some research about this for you. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768073 |
| 20:23.23 | gnarface | fling: and... https://wiki.debian.org/LXD |
| 20:27.28 | fling | gnarface: thanks! |
| 20:29.07 | fling | gnarface: ok it looks like the deps are missing from the repos |
| 20:29.29 | fling | gnarface: ebuild on gentoo is using bundled deps. I'm working on fixing this btw. |
| 20:29.46 | fling | gnarface: c stuff is easy but go is not |
| 20:32.35 | gnarface | looks like they're working on it but it's been "coming soon" for half a decade |
| 20:33.16 | gnarface | i could only speculate on what the real hold up is, but not while sounding professional about it |
| 20:33.49 | fling | but the bug you sent me states they are working on packaging deps first |
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| 20:53.17 | gnarface | fling: yea but it's from ubuntu so this type of delay marks a lack of will power not a lack of man power |
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| 20:54.25 | gnarface | fling: not to condemn your choice of software or anything, but it's the type of warning sign i'd personally use as an excuse to find any other solution |
| 20:55.34 | gnarface | fling: (a tone i note is echoed by their own wiki on the matter, which suggests you just use lxc) |
| 20:56.04 | gnarface | fling: personally unless you have a special need though and if you're building packages anyway i'd recommend linux-vservers |
| 20:56.33 | gnarface | they're light weight and by the looks of this, much easier to build |
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| 21:00.38 | fling | lxc has 5% of lxd features |
| 21:01.59 | gnarface | i really don't know much about either of them |
| 21:02.21 | gnarface | i would wager linux-vservers has even less features and that it would be a relief to me |
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| 22:08.52 | fling | Or I can run lxd in a gentoo chroot hmmm |
| 22:09.15 | gnarface | it's a good option |
| 22:09.28 | gnarface | you probably could run lxd inside a linux-vservers guest even |
| 22:09.43 | gnarface | though i don't know that for sure, a chroot is halfway there |
| 22:10.09 | gnarface | if it would work in a chroot there's a strong chance it would work in a linux-vservers guest, too |
| 22:10.29 | gnarface | though so would gentoo, for that matter |
| 22:10.52 | gnarface | either way, having a gentoo guest around probably has other useful features that make it worth it |
| 22:13.55 | gnarface | though if this is just about build deps not being multi-arch safe maybe you can use the chroot to get around that too |
| 22:14.10 | gnarface | i used to have to build 32-bit wine components that way |
| 22:15.31 | fling | linux-vservers requires a modified kernel and does not work with 5 hmm |
| 22:15.47 | fling | 4.9 is the latest -> http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org |
| 22:19.31 | gnarface | yea they're taking up a collection to pay for the work to get the next one out though |
| 22:19.41 | gnarface | and uh... you probably don't need it |
| 22:20.20 | gnarface | server software doesn't typically tend to require new kernel features like desktop software does |
| 22:20.50 | gnarface | but yea, you would have to patch the kernel |
| 22:21.00 | gnarface | you'd also have to build a userspace tools package |
| 22:21.06 | gnarface | it all used to be in debian but was pulled long ago |
| 22:21.55 | gnarface | (afaik over one dependency problem; dietlibc, not a freaking boat load like is holding lxd back) |
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| 22:22.08 | fling | should not I use snapd? |
| 22:22.22 | gnarface | i wouldn't but to each their own... |
| 22:22.57 | gnarface | flatpack and snaps both have a cloud of destruction around them the size of which can only mark their mantainership as "not competent" |
| 22:23.14 | gnarface | use it but make a backup first |
| 22:23.16 | fling | ok |
| 22:23.37 | fling | nah I don't like snaps, ubuntu and bundled deps |
| 22:27.49 | fling | gnarface: maybe I can do this https://github.com/lxc/lxd/#installing-lxd-from-source |
| 22:28.12 | fling | or maybe I should just package it somehow instead |
| 22:29.37 | gnarface | fling: checkinstall can make packages easily from the "make install" action of a source build |
| 22:31.24 | gnarface | fling: if it has a ./debian/ directory though it's supposed to be buildable with the dpkg/debhelper tools |
| 22:32.17 | fling | sounds good |
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