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| 00:06.35 | sunshavi | emacs-nox does need dbus |
| 00:51.36 | rwp | sunshavi, What does it need it for? Or are you simply confirming the Depends upon it? |
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| 01:07.14 | rennj | it needs that sweet sweet machine-id |
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| 01:07.52 | rennj | you know /var/lib/dbus/machine-id /etc/machine-id chrome,firefox,openoffice all check |
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| 01:22.24 | sunshavi | rwp: emacs-nox does NOT need dbus |
| 01:25.22 | sunshavi | rwp: Perhaps a question on the mailing list (emacs-devel). Could solve the question ' what it is required dbus for emacs-nox |
| 01:28.29 | sunshavi | rwp: on the tty or Xterm. It could be used for notifications with the var DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS |
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| 01:30.45 | sunshavi | rwp: also on emacs-nox you could configure emacs with '--without-dbus' |
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| 01:35.31 | kreyren_ | How do i get all the dependencies required to build emacs on devuan? |
| 01:35.48 | kreyren_ | remembers there being a cool command to install all required packages~ |
| 01:36.18 | fsmithred | apt-get build-dep emacs |
| 01:36.24 | kreyren_ | fsmithred, thanku! |
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| 01:59.40 | rwp | rennj, Right. That machine-id that I just learned existed a few days ago. |
| 02:00.18 | rwp | sunshavi, I don't think it should hard Depend upon dbus either. But emacs-nox Depends: libdbus-1-3 and so it is now. |
| 02:01.05 | rwp | I could rebuild the package for myself. But dbus just sitting there not being used is less of a problem than other things that must be more actively avoided. |
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| 02:15.40 | sunshavi | rwp: '... actively avoided'. Like which ones? |
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| 03:24.52 | linux_n | My devuan time was correct but when dual booted to windows and back to devuan now my devuan time is incorrect. Anyway to fix devuan time? |
| 03:27.13 | yanmaani | linux_n: Oh yeah, it's the hardware clock setting wrongly |
| 03:27.27 | yanmaani | Linux and Windows use different systems |
| 03:28.00 | yanmaani | https://mashtips.com/fix-linux-windows-dual-boot-clock-different-time/ |
| 03:40.21 | linux_n | I get this error: timedatectl: command not found |
| 03:44.51 | linux_n | Maybe those instructions are for os that uses systemd like debian but devuan uses a different one. |
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| 03:46.58 | yanmaani | yeah, it seems like it's harder to do in systemd. You can change it in Windows too. Or you can just use ntp to set the time on boot |
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| 03:49.41 | linux_n | I read this: timedatectl is part of systemd package. |
| 03:50.04 | linux_n | so wont work on devuan only debian i think |
| 03:50.28 | yanmaani | oh yeah, I mean outside of systemd |
| 03:51.06 | yanmaani | maybe you can just run ntp on boot |
| 03:52.39 | linux_n | devuan uses sysvinit instead of systemd. |
| 03:52.47 | linux_n | ok thaks |
| 03:52.51 | linux_n | thanks |
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| 04:37.30 | systemdlete2 | xfce weather widget was working until... about a week ago maybe? At least, that's when I started noticing. There was an API update for met.no -- did xfce devs update the weather applet? |
| 04:38.14 | systemdlete2 | (I'm getting so tired of these API changes... why don't they just make everything upgradeable, but backwards compatible?) |
| 04:38.40 | systemdlete2 | Oh, yeah. This is xfce on ascii, not beowulf. |
| 04:39.45 | systemdlete2 | also, on another ascii, the isc-dhcp-client does not send the host-name parameter it seems. |
| 04:40.32 | systemdlete2 | Originally, the line in the dhclient.conf file read: "send host-name = gethostbyname()" |
| 04:41.45 | systemdlete2 | The docs for the version (4.3.5) indicate that the syntax does not indicate an equals sign. I removed it, just to see what would happen. No change. The dhcp server does not record the host-name for the client, but does for other clients. |
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| 04:51.11 | gnarface | systemdlete2: try it like this: send host-name "andare.example.com"; |
| 04:51.21 | gnarface | systemdlete2: no = |
| 04:51.50 | gnarface | systemdlete2: and with a hardcoded string first (test the gethostbyname call separately) |
| 04:51.52 | systemdlete2 | As I said, above, I tried that and no luck. I also tried it with a static string like you suggest, and that did not work either. |
| 04:51.59 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 04:52.05 | systemdlete2 | Yeah. hmmmm. |
| 04:52.06 | gnarface | sure it's the right file? |
| 04:52.32 | systemdlete2 | That's the only conf file there, and it is the one containing the send command. |
| 04:52.43 | gnarface | i vaguely recall this coming up a long time ago and there needing to be some command-line flag too |
| 04:52.51 | systemdlete2 | oh great. |
| 04:53.17 | systemdlete2 | I thought computers were supposed to make things simpler? |
| 04:53.39 | systemdlete2 | OK, I'll take a look at that. thanks. |
| 04:54.48 | gnarface | so some of this information may be inaccurate because the memory is dusty but it had to do with some protocol, standard, RFC, or something like that being disabled by default in isc-dhcp-client, and that being the part that included clients specifying their own hostname to the dhcp server (some microsoft concoction) |
| 04:55.20 | Jjp137 | systemdlete2, I use the xfce weather widget on beowulf and it's also broken there; here's an issue about it: https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/-/issues/27 |
| 04:55.24 | Jjp137 | nothing we can do I guess |
| 04:56.18 | systemdlete2 | Jjp137: This happens EVERY time that met.no chaanges the API. |
| 04:56.19 | gnarface | systemdlete2: (maybe one of those RFCs mentioned at the bottom of the dhclient.conf manpage) |
| 04:56.46 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: RFC2132, RFC2131 |
| 04:57.04 | gnarface | systemdlete2: yes, one of those perhaps |
| 04:57.29 | systemdlete2 | I don't understand why met.no can't just leave the standing API in place, and just add new functions as needed. That way they'd be compatible forwards and back. |
| 05:00.15 | systemdlete2 | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14972 |
| 05:08.59 | rwp | sunshavi, Why systemd of course! |
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| 05:12.49 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: On beowulf, which uses 4.4.1, the same exact send command works. |
| 05:13.05 | systemdlete2 | send host-name = gethostbyname() |
| 05:13.09 | systemdlete2 | ; |
| 05:13.39 | systemdlete2 | btw, now the weather applet is working again. |
| 05:14.33 | systemdlete2 | but the UI is not working. There is missing info in the forecast data, I can't switch between tabs, and I can't close it either. |
| 05:16.15 | systemdlete2 | Had to brute-force kill the weather app. |
| 05:16.30 | systemdlete2 | Restarted; waiting for data update. |
| 05:19.52 | systemdlete2 | Actually, more vexing than either of these problems, making a system unusable: On my laptop (Cherry Trail) when the screen is rotated to landscape, the screen is leaving artifacts which do not clean up even if I move some windows around, trying to sort of "erase" the artifacts. They appear on the portion of the screen that would not be there in portrait mode, that is, the right hand section (about 1/3) of the screen. |
| 05:20.07 | systemdlete2 | That's with beowulf. Ascii did not have this issue. |
| 05:23.32 | systemdlete2 | I should also mention that xfce seems to work ok on beowulf (no artifacts), but mate has problem. |
| 05:24.11 | systemdlete2 | And I still can't get multi-tap functions to work, which kind of puts the kabosh on using the machine as a tablet, practically speaking. |
| 05:27.26 | systemdlete2 | nvm. On xfce, the double-tap does appear as an option I can change after all. |
| 05:27.38 | systemdlete2 | I guess I'll just use xfce instead. |
| 05:28.16 | systemdlete2 | It's OK, all I do with the tablet is read, and as long as I can do that much, I don't care too much about the other functions and issues. |
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| 06:04.52 | gnarface | systemdlete2: hmmm, i wonder if it's possible you're just missing the package for gethostbyname()? |
| 06:05.06 | gnarface | systemdlete2: that might be implemented by a separate package |
| 06:05.42 | systemdlete2 | wouldn't dhclient catch an error since it is launched with -v? |
| 06:05.48 | systemdlete2 | but I'll look, thanks |
| 06:06.39 | gnarface | i'm not sure, i just thought i recall that being in a separate package |
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| 06:10.52 | gnarface | systemdlete2: you wouldn't be missing the "hostname" package on that system, would you? |
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| 06:27.42 | danuan | systemdlete2: if we are talking about hostname not setting from dhcp , on my netboot systems for some reason /etc/hostname wants a #oldhostname as second line after localhost in first |
| 06:28.12 | danuan | i have no idea why though |
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| 11:15.15 | ottavio | Is this article still valid https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/stretch-to-beowulf.html |
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| 11:47.04 | syco- | hello |
| 11:50.09 | Joril | hello! |
| 11:52.48 | sammi` | bon jo |
| 11:53.34 | user1041 | пÑивед |
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| 12:48.36 | SuaveDandy | Hello. |
| 12:49.01 | SuaveDandy | Is there such branch as contrib in Devuan? |
| 12:49.21 | SuaveDandy | Examples only show that there are only main and non-free. |
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| 18:45.51 | ottavio | Has anybody converted LMDE3 (based on Stretch) to Beowulf? |
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| 20:51.30 | gnarface | thanks for the update systemdlete2 |
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| 21:46.12 | systemdlete2 | gnarface: Yvw, actually. You are a huge help around here, as are many of the others. |
| 21:48.26 | yanmaani | Any way to automatically start zram on boot without systemd? |
| 21:51.14 | buZz | sure, the normal way, with a init script |
| 21:51.55 | buZz | lacking the knowledge to do so, you could just plonk the commands to start it in rc.local |
| 21:52.35 | rennj | the goodstuff 4 lines for me |
| 21:52.43 | rennj | # 400MB swap on zram |
| 21:52.43 | rennj | modprobe zram |
| 21:52.44 | rennj | echo 419430400 > /sys/block/zram0/disksize |
| 21:52.44 | rennj | mkswap /dev/zram0 > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 21:52.44 | rennj | swapon /dev/zram0 -p 10 > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 21:53.10 | rennj | been using in vm for couple of months now seems to work |
| 21:53.18 | buZz | zram frw :) |
| 21:53.19 | rennj | embedded fu |
| 21:54.10 | rennj | this vmware vm run in ram, so never really hits disk unless i fdisk/mkfs vmware.vmdk |
| 21:54.23 | gnarface | nice, rennj |
| 21:55.58 | rennj | 5 year old ssd 17TB of writes to 500MB sdd |
| 21:56.11 | rennj | my win10 gaming vm is the pig |
| 21:56.18 | buZz | another of my fav blockdev modules in kernel is 'bcache' |
| 21:56.42 | buZz | just -amazing- what performance you get caching a LVM pool on spinning rust with a NVMe :D |
| 21:59.21 | rennj | yeah looks nice, like zil/arc of zfs |
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| 22:01.10 | rennj | Bcache patches for the Linux kernel allow one to use SSDs to cache other block devices. It's analogous to L2Arc for ZFS, but Bcache also does writeback caching (besides just write through caching), and it's filesystem agnostic. |
| 22:01.22 | rennj | nice |
| 22:01.36 | yanmaani | buZz: Is there any package that does it for me? |
| 22:02.06 | buZz | dont think so |
| 22:02.12 | buZz | rennj: they arent patches anymore |
| 22:02.18 | buZz | been mainline since ~forever |
| 22:03.35 | rennj | yeah well ive i was doing lvm/ some fs bcache would be nice...or you know just go openzfs |
| 22:05.40 | rennj | https://bcachefs.org/ the future |
| 22:06.09 | rennj | Bcachefs is not yet upstream - you'll have to build a kernel to use it. |
| 22:06.19 | rennj | meh..let buZz test it |
| 22:06.22 | rennj | hehe |
| 22:06.36 | buZz | yeah i didnt try bcachefs yet |
| 22:06.51 | rennj | copy that sun tech |
| 22:06.56 | rennj | reinvent the wheel |
| 22:07.00 | buZz | hehehe |
| 22:07.18 | buZz | quite sure bcache is older than zfs |
| 22:07.19 | DHE | i'd like to point out that people give zfs' l2arc and slog features far too much credit |
| 22:07.21 | buZz | but who knows |
| 22:08.15 | buZz | i remember when LVM was new, and ppl were falling over each other to adopt it |
| 22:08.23 | buZz | leading to a lot of dataloss |
| 22:08.34 | rennj | https://blogs.oracle.com/bonwick/zfs-end-to-end-data-integrity |
| 22:08.40 | rennj | your merkel tree |
| 22:09.20 | rennj | linux lvm is from hp-ux lvm which is like ibm lvm |
| 22:12.12 | rennj | pull 100drives from array cabinets once cause of bad bios |
| 22:12.55 | buZz | causation? |
| 22:12.59 | buZz | or correlation |
| 22:13.03 | buZz | they arent often both |
| 22:13.21 | buZz | LVM on linux in any way has no interest in whatever firmware you run |
| 22:13.43 | rennj | lvm is just the volume manager..you have choice on fs |
| 22:13.53 | rennj | lvm and veritas vxvm where almost identical |
| 22:14.03 | buZz | i dno, i dont enterprise |
| 22:14.19 | rennj | its just 1 part of the raid pieces..but with zfs you get in all in 1 |
| 22:14.30 | rennj | the volume manager and fs..and crc integrity |
| 22:14.48 | buZz | for me , all-in-one solutions just break tiny parts which then pulls everything off |
| 22:14.48 | rennj | anyway im sure linux copy of that tech will eventually be production ready |
| 22:15.09 | buZz | i dont even like phones with cameras |
| 22:15.13 | buZz | i like cameras |
| 22:15.34 | buZz | modern phone takes like 1 minute to boot, my camera boots in 1-2 seconds |
| 22:18.38 | rennj | read those car camera with embedded linux boot in ms |
| 22:18.57 | rennj | like backup rear view display |
| 22:20.06 | rennj | https://www.yoctoproject.org/ spin of devuan version |
| 22:22.29 | rennj | probably totally against the spirit of devuan |
| 22:22.47 | rennj | include the binary no source in the final build |
| 22:25.00 | rennj | i only use my phone to make phone calls, with bmc being blackbox..it worthless for computing |
| 22:27.03 | golinux | Maybe OT would be a better place for car/phone chat? |
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| 22:30.11 | buZz | rennj: yeah one of my point&shoots is a gopro clone |
| 22:30.17 | buZz | thats a full linux computer |
| 22:31.02 | buZz | either way, i use bcache cause i can sprinkle it onto any fs |
| 22:31.12 | buZz | similar to how zram can work for 'any system' |
| 22:31.19 | buZz | i have no doubt that camera uses zram aswell |
| 22:31.27 | buZz | should check some day i guess :P |
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