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| 00:36.42 | pav5088 | are there any chimaera test images to try yet? |
| 00:40.21 | gnarface | pav5088: you could upgrade from a beowulf install to test. dunno if anyone has built installers yet. |
| 00:42.31 | pav5088 | Might give a minimal net install a go |
| 00:45.33 | golinux | fsmithred might have some live chimaera isos for testing on the refracta site |
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| 00:54.19 | Wafficus | hi there, can anyone help me figure out why my sound doesn't work after doing 'sudo rmmod pcspkr'? |
| 00:54.32 | Wafficus | I have all the volume up on all the relevant sections on alsamixer |
| 00:55.59 | gnarface | hmm, weird |
| 00:56.17 | gnarface | change of default device order screwing with alsa config perhaps? |
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| 00:58.45 | Wafficus | no idea to be honest |
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| 01:01.30 | gnarface | Wafficus: if you leave it blacklisted and then reboot, does it still not work after the reboot? |
| 01:03.17 | gnarface | Wafficus: i mean, you said it was a laptop though? it could be possible it actually needs the pcspkr driver to work |
| 01:03.59 | Wafficus | I got it to stop working by doing the following |
| 01:04.26 | Wafficus | '/set trigger.trigger.beep.enabled off' |
| 01:04.28 | Wafficus | in Weechat |
| 01:04.42 | gnarface | oh, well that'll disable the beep in irc anyway |
| 01:04.42 | Wafficus | however, now I just want my sound back :/ |
| 01:05.01 | gnarface | doesn't start working again if you just modprobe pcspkr? |
| 01:05.21 | Wafficus | idk |
| 01:05.24 | Wafficus | ping me again |
| 01:05.29 | gnarface | Wafficus: . |
| 01:05.30 | Wafficus | * on this IRC channel |
| 01:05.32 | Wafficus | yeah no pc speaker |
| 01:05.34 | Wafficus | thank God |
| 01:05.36 | Wafficus | that was so annoying |
| 01:05.39 | Wafficus | beyond annoying |
| 01:05.44 | Wafficus | way too loud too |
| 01:05.50 | Wafficus | anyway, but yeah idk about the general sound though now |
| 01:06.15 | gnarface | some laptops have a "beep" volume in alsamixer even, you said yours doesn't? |
| 01:06.48 | Wafficus | got it |
| 01:06.56 | Wafficus | it was "PCM" that was all the way down |
| 01:07.00 | Wafficus | dumb on my part |
| 01:07.03 | Wafficus | sorry about that |
| 01:07.17 | gnarface | ah, PCM is important |
| 01:07.34 | gnarface | that's kinda like the main one, though some devices also have a "main" somewhat redundantly |
| 01:07.43 | Wafficus | yeah that's what threw me off ha |
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| 04:36.27 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Beowulf 3.0 stable, ASCII 2.1 old-stable) | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | take offtopic chat to #devuan-offtopic |
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| 05:02.24 | no_9 | avast devuanistas! :) |
| 05:03.41 | no_9 | Devuan Jessie <----no longer supported? no updates, repositories no longer online? |
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| 05:22.21 | lastebil | erm, last I looked there were still repos? |
| 05:22.54 | lastebil | yeah, I'm seeing the jessie things in the pkgmaster.devuan.org repo |
| 05:23.44 | lastebil | and the mirrors definately hvae the install media. Not sure where you got the idea that they were removed. |
| 05:24.04 | no_9 | so---i must change my sources-list? |
| 05:24.10 | lastebil | as for updates, I can't speak to that. |
| 05:24.23 | lastebil | well if you are using a mirror that dropped them, yes. |
| 05:25.01 | lastebil | leaseweb at least shows them. but you should look at the mirrorlist and see. maybe there's something ELSE going on in your case. |
| 05:25.40 | lastebil | https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan#iso-guide-for-i386-and-amd64 < mirrorlists here. |
| 05:26.45 | lastebil | updating to ascii shouldn't be that painful, however. But it's been some time since I did that. I'm using Beowulf now. |
| 05:27.02 | lastebil | must run |
| 05:31.42 | no_9 | https://privatebin.net/?2ba898308f3fc38c#14UBBD59xSotArZTZqh3nnm3VX253BVPVmYsZ1KS6RSa |
| 05:32.01 | no_9 | that was working til recently |
| 05:49.11 | gnarface | no_9: it's been deprecated for a really long time |
| 05:50.10 | gnarface | no_9: (the old hostnames i assume are in your sources.list, that is) |
| 05:50.11 | no_9 | gnarface, so, it cant be updaTED? |
| 05:50.32 | gnarface | no_9: no i mean the hostnames are deprecated |
| 05:51.08 | no_9 | did you look at that pastebin? |
| 05:51.22 | gnarface | no_9: no, and i'm not going to, but if it's not using deb.devuan.org it's probably not going to work |
| 05:51.41 | gnarface | no_9: there's info somewhere on the forum about the update |
| 05:51.57 | no_9 | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 05:52.05 | no_9 | 1st line |
| 05:52.09 | gnarface | what did i just tell you? |
| 05:52.55 | gnarface | you should be able to upgrade jessie->ascii->beowulf but you have to use the right hostname |
| 05:53.10 | no_9 | that irc is a hideous hellpit of grouchy wankers? :) |
| 05:53.39 | gnarface | jessie-security and jessie-updates are down i think though, i think only jessie-main is up still |
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| 05:53.53 | gnarface | well "main" i mean, obviously there is no actual "jessie-main" |
| 05:54.15 | gnarface | that's not the error that's preventing you from upgrading though |
| 05:54.54 | no_9 | i dont want to upgrade this install |
| 05:55.17 | gnarface | oh, i thought that's what this was about |
| 05:55.23 | no_9 | i have ascii 64 bit on another partition but right now it wont boot |
| 05:55.30 | gnarface | if you just wanted to get the last updates from jessie-security, sorry you're too late |
| 05:55.41 | no_9 | ok ty |
| 05:56.23 | gnarface | but really, use deb.devuan.org, that hostname you're using has been deprecated for a long while now |
| 05:56.43 | no_9 | it worked 2 weeks ago |
| 05:56.52 | no_9 | maybe 3 |
| 05:56.55 | gnarface | it really didn't, it only seemed like that |
| 05:57.04 | gnarface | but there was a more recent change that cut it off compeltely |
| 05:57.07 | gnarface | completely* |
| 05:57.12 | no_9 | well stuff downloaded |
| 05:57.25 | gnarface | the old hostname pointed to some stale mirrors that partially worked sometimes. you probably were still missing updates |
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| 14:10.42 | Junicchi | sup |
| 14:11.07 | Junicchi | what is the equivalent of command "systemctl disable" on sysvinit? |
| 14:11.12 | Junicchi | how can i disable a service |
| 14:11.28 | mason | Junicchi: update-rc.d <service> disable |
| 14:11.31 | djph | ^ |
| 14:11.45 | mason | and then service <service> stop to stop the running service |
| 14:14.34 | Junicchi | thanks a lot |
| 14:18.08 | fremen2001 | why on earth did ppl create sytemd? -_-â |
| 14:18.43 | r3boot | fremen2001: #devuan-offtopic, plz |
| 14:19.59 | r3boot | Junicchi: sysvinit works with init scripts under /etc/init.d, and symlinks to these scripts under /etc/rc?.d/. Links are prefixed with S???, where S means 'start' and ??? is a sequence number |
| 14:20.40 | r3boot | Eg, find /etc/rc?.d -name 'S*<yourscript>' -exec rm -vf {} \; should also fix it |
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| 14:22.37 | mason | and then "env -i /etc/init.d/service stop" to max out the convolution |
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| 14:25.55 | brocashelm | fremen2001: so devuan could exist, obviously |
| 14:26.36 | fremen2001 | :) |
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| 14:40.23 | openbsdtai123 | fremen2001: is fremen from dune I, sega cd? |
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| 14:41.53 | fremen2001 | is from dune yes...from the book |
| 14:43.27 | Junicchi | r3boot: just realized that |
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| 14:49.57 | ham5urg | I'm running a Devuan LXC container inside a Devuan host. When I start or stop the container my syslog is pumped up with https://paste.debian.net/1161150/ some Apparmor error. I've found this with the same problem: https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/3-0-1-apparmor-denied-mount-lxc-container-default-cgns/2160/7 and there is said that something inside the container trys to remount something which Apparmor prohibits. What could it |
| 14:49.59 | ham5urg | be? |
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| 14:52.32 | r3boot | something inside your lxc container tries to do mount; Find that, and disable it -> done :) |
| 14:54.52 | ham5urg | r3boot, how? It's a plain devuan container with nothing installed in it. Even fstab is empty |
| 14:55.43 | ham5urg | Could I set a trigger when mount is called? |
| 14:56.35 | fsmithred | put a wrapper around it? |
| 15:02.02 | r3boot | ham5urg: grep -R 'mount' /etc/* <-- would be a good start imho |
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| 15:09.24 | ham5urg | Thanks for that |
| 15:09.51 | ham5urg | How could a mount inside the container trigger some error outside of it? |
| 15:10.52 | r3boot | because the mount command calls the mount() syscall, which in turn triggers an apparmor event, which in turn denies the mount() syscall |
| 15:11.36 | ham5urg | So this is not a bug, neither in LXC nor in Devuan. |
| 15:12.27 | ham5urg | Maybe I can live with that, the container is a long running one. It won't pump the logs up in production mode. |
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| 15:25.39 | suavedandy | Guys. Can you use flatpaks/snaps/third-parties or is that ILLEGAL? |
| 15:26.51 | djph | suavedandy: why would it be "illegal" ? |
| 15:26.52 | fsmithred | I think the first two require systemd and the third depends on which one you're talking about |
| 15:27.27 | suavedandy | Require systemd? But I have flatpak installed. |
| 15:27.48 | fsmithred | installed in what? beowulf? |
| 15:27.57 | suavedandy | Yep. |
| 15:28.09 | fsmithred | what's the actual package name? I can't find it. |
| 15:28.27 | suavedandy | Do you guys use ASCII because it's like CentOS or something? |
| 15:28.30 | fsmithred | nm, found it |
| 15:28.35 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 15:28.45 | suavedandy | LTS, I mean. |
| 15:28.48 | fsmithred | we use ASCII (the name) because it's the name of a minor planet |
| 15:29.09 | fsmithred | the OS is debian stretch without systemd |
| 15:29.18 | fsmithred | currently oldstable |
| 15:29.27 | suavedandy | Do people use oldstable for long-term support? |
| 15:29.35 | suavedandy | As in on servers? |
| 15:29.51 | fsmithred | yeah, but not because they install oldstable |
| 15:29.59 | suavedandy | Oh. |
| 15:30.00 | fsmithred | more like they don't really want to upgrade |
| 15:30.04 | suavedandy | They don't? |
| 15:30.10 | suavedandy | Ah. |
| 15:30.14 | suavedandy | I get it. |
| 15:30.22 | fsmithred | you're talking to someone who has a wheezy server |
| 15:30.42 | suavedandy | How cumbersome is it for sysadmins to upgrade oldstable? |
| 15:30.44 | fsmithred | because it runs some software that can't be upgraded to a newer debian or devuan |
| 15:30.58 | suavedandy | Ah. |
| 15:30.58 | brocashelm | i understand stable/old stable/etc. for servers and niche computing in general, because doing major upgrades can be a major annoyance |
| 15:31.11 | fsmithred | yup |
| 15:31.18 | fsmithred | stuff can break |
| 15:31.43 | suavedandy | And I'm on Beowulf instead of Chimaera. |
| 15:31.44 | fsmithred | and I'm sure plenty of IT teams are under-staffed |
| 15:31.52 | fsmithred | beowulf is current stable |
| 15:32.04 | fsmithred | chimaera is working surprisingly well for devuan testing |
| 15:32.07 | suavedandy | Is it good for desktop? |
| 15:32.17 | fsmithred | someone got a head start on forking packages |
| 15:32.30 | brocashelm | i'm using ceres on my desktop, though |
| 15:32.33 | fsmithred | yeah, I've got it on a laptop and it's working |
| 15:32.50 | fsmithred | not much difference between chimaera and ceres right now |
| 15:32.53 | brocashelm | little to no problems; very stable in my experience |
| 15:32.56 | suavedandy | Talking about Beowulf. Maybe I made a wrong choise. |
| 15:33.02 | fsmithred | why? |
| 15:33.17 | suavedandy | Because I don't run it on a server. |
| 15:33.28 | fsmithred | I don't understand |
| 15:33.49 | suavedandy | Isn't testing more suitable for desktop? |
| 15:33.51 | brocashelm | i don't mind getting closer to upstream |
| 15:33.53 | suavedandy | Or nah? |
| 15:33.58 | fsmithred | testing is suitable for testing |
| 15:34.03 | fsmithred | not for actual use |
| 15:34.10 | suavedandy | Fair enough. |
| 15:34.21 | fsmithred | if it's working brilliantly today, you can rest assured that it will break soon |
| 15:34.26 | fsmithred | and then get fixed again |
| 15:34.30 | suavedandy | Is testing rolling? |
| 15:34.36 | fsmithred | testing is testing |
| 15:34.44 | fsmithred | it's not an official release |
| 15:35.02 | fsmithred | new packages/versions go int ceres/sid/unstable |
| 15:35.10 | fsmithred | and then after a week or two they move to testing |
| 15:35.16 | brocashelm | yup |
| 15:35.28 | fsmithred | at some point, testing freezes and no new versions move into it. Only fixes. |
| 15:35.53 | fsmithred | And then after some months of that, testing is moved to stable. That happens in Debian long before Devuan catches up. |
| 15:35.53 | brocashelm | it's still nice to have choice |
| 15:36.19 | suavedandy | Alright, I'll stay on stable. Too lazy to upgrade every week. |
| 15:36.24 | fsmithred | lol |
| 15:36.28 | fsmithred | good choice |
| 15:36.36 | fsmithred | beowulf works well |
| 15:36.38 | brocashelm | i love upgrades :) |
| 15:36.58 | suavedandy | And I don't. I prefer working and being productive. |
| 15:37.09 | brocashelm | and i also do those |
| 15:37.29 | suavedandy | Once a month is reasonable to me. |
| 15:39.07 | suavedandy | Does flatpak really require Systemd tho? It installed just fine. |
| 15:39.10 | suavedandy | Hm. |
| 15:40.24 | suavedandy | Can't find snapcraft tho. |
| 15:41.24 | fsmithred | I haven't tried it, so I don't really know. I seem to recall that something is missing. |
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| 15:42.02 | ShorTie | are all nic's suppost to come up either ethX and/or wlanX ?? |
| 15:42.26 | ShorTie | in /sys/class/net that tis |
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| 15:43.34 | suavedandy | My laptop is fairly recent and Buster/Beowulf seem to be working excellent. Amazing. |
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| 15:44.09 | suavedandy | Why is stable called Beowulf tho? |
| 15:44.16 | fsmithred | ShorTie, usb dongle wireless will come up as wl<mac-address> |
| 15:44.18 | brocashelm | beowulf is current stable |
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| 15:44.31 | fsmithred | because it's a minor planet that begins with B |
| 15:44.35 | fsmithred | and we liked the name |
| 15:44.49 | suavedandy | I see. |
| 15:44.57 | brocashelm | alphabetical order, too |
| 15:45.12 | fsmithred | yes, so it's a little bit predictable |
| 15:45.38 | suavedandy | B uster, B eowulf. |
| 15:46.01 | fsmithred | no, buster is irrelevant |
| 15:46.16 | fsmithred | jessie was jessie in both debian and devuan |
| 15:46.21 | suavedandy | What was before ASCII tho? |
| 15:46.26 | brocashelm | jessie |
| 15:46.35 | suavedandy | Huh. |
| 15:46.40 | fsmithred | then ascii, beowulf chimaera daedalus, then I don't know |
| 15:47.17 | suavedandy | Calling releases after planets? Now that's romantic. |
| 15:47.18 | fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/releases |
| 15:49.10 | brocashelm | skimming through e, esther sounds good to me |
| 15:50.09 | suavedandy | Should have called Jessie⦠Zodiac or⦠something. |
| 15:50.27 | suavedandy | Are there planets starting with Z? |
| 15:53.47 | fsmithred | yes |
| 15:54.00 | fsmithred | list is linked on that page I posted |
| 15:54.14 | brocashelm | yeah, all the info is there |
| 15:55.30 | fsmithred | we might get to Z |
| 15:55.56 | fsmithred | if we use a letter every 2 years, we'll get to the end before the end of unix time. |
| 15:56.34 | fsmithred | no |
| 15:56.41 | fsmithred | that's backward |
| 15:56.50 | fsmithred | we won't even make it to M |
| 16:04.45 | suavedandy | Lol, Christian planet exists. Now we can have a truly Christian distro. |
| 16:05.03 | crashoverride | Temple OS is doomed. |
| 16:05.07 | crashoverride | The creator is dead. |
| 16:05.29 | suavedandy | Temple OS isn't a distro tho. |
| 16:05.43 | crashoverride | well technically, an OS is a distro too. |
| 16:05.44 | suavedandy | I believe it's made from ground up. |
| 16:05.49 | djph | quick someone fork it and call it ruin |
| 16:05.55 | crashoverride | :D |
| 16:06.01 | crashoverride | ohai djph |
| 16:06.04 | crashoverride | did you see my invite? |
| 16:06.06 | djph | j0 |
| 16:06.09 | crashoverride | ok |
| 16:06.23 | crashoverride | not trying to ruin #networked but I could use the new chan more :P |
| 16:06.38 | crashoverride | esp since I'm always in need of offtopic-ing and debugging at the same time. |
| 16:07.52 | djph | lol |
| 16:08.08 | suavedandy | Hmm. Android is technically a Linux distro. Makes you think⦠|
| 16:08.30 | DonkeyHotei | linux, yes. gnu/linux, no. |
| 16:08.49 | specing | makes me smile when people say they'd never run linux all the while waving an android phone around |
| 16:09.03 | DonkeyHotei | but actually, android is a linux OS, not a distro |
| 16:09.08 | specing | I guess what they don't know can't hurt them |
| 16:12.27 | crashoverride | suavedandy: there is a difference between distro and linux distro. |
| 16:12.31 | suavedandy | DonkeyHotei: Of course. I'm not saying. |
| 16:12.33 | crashoverride | distro just means "software distribution" |
| 16:12.38 | crashoverride | it does not necessarily include linux. |
| 16:12.53 | suavedandy | Hm. |
| 16:13.15 | DonkeyHotei | anyway, this discussion is for #debianfork and not this channel |
| 16:13.24 | suavedandy | I mean, yes but that's a very vague term when used with no context. |
| 16:13.52 | suavedandy | We're done anyway, Donkey. |
| 16:14.17 | suavedandy | Excuse us for⦠a slight derailing. |
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| 16:37.03 | golinux | Silliness like the above makes me want to stop coming to this channel. Some behavioral restraint would be appreciated |
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| 17:57.36 | linux_n | Devuan for installation is asking me me to load wifi firmware from romovable media. So i added iwlwifi firmware with deb extension but devuan does not seem to be able to read it. Firmware can't be read with .deb extension? |
| 17:57.44 | devuoom | hello, I have been experiencing Firefox ESR closing down (crashing) every time I approach running out of free memory |
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| 18:03.11 | suavedandy | Do you guys have root using the same shell as your account or does it use bash/sh/ash? |
| 18:04.02 | yanmaani | you can use any shell |
| 18:04.05 | suavedandy | Also, do you think it's a good idea to set root to use a POSIX-compliant shell? |
| 18:04.21 | suavedandy | Or nah? |
| 18:05.15 | r3boot | on laptops, I use the same; On servers, root always has bash as a shell, with the option to sudo <wantedshell> for something else |
| 18:05.17 | yanmaani | it doesn't matter |
| 18:05.37 | fsmithred | linux_n, ignore that question. You'll get to add it later if you choose expert install, and you should get it automatically with regular install. |
| 18:06.20 | fsmithred | suavedandy, I think it's a good idea to leave defaults as they are unless there's a good reason to change it. |
| 18:06.44 | suavedandy | r3boot: Thanks. |
| 18:07.15 | r3boot | Oh, and it's not bash-perse (on servers), but whatever is the distro standard |
| 18:09.41 | suavedandy | Why do you use Bash for root on servers? Do you use Bash for your account here as well or something else? |
| 18:09.57 | suavedandy | Is there a specific reason? |
| 18:10.02 | linux_n | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.46 | fsmithred | I use bash because it's been the default for the past 20 years that I've been using linux. |
| 18:11.08 | fsmithred | I don't have to spend time learning something else. |
| 18:11.55 | fsmithred | linux_n, are you using wireless for the install or ethernet cable? |
| 18:12.16 | linux_n | wireless fsmithred |
| 18:12.27 | fsmithred | ok, let me know if you have trouble with it |
| 18:13.37 | linux_n | ok thanks fsmithred. |
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| 18:20.20 | devuoom | is it normal for firefox-esr on devuan to close upon OOM even if there is still free swao? |
| 18:20.22 | devuoom | swap |
| 18:21.18 | fsmithred | my whole system locks up if I get near the end of ram because of firefox |
| 18:21.25 | yanmaani | same |
| 18:21.31 | fsmithred | esr or otherwise |
| 18:22.05 | devuoom | crap, that is bad news... what would a wise man do? |
| 18:22.16 | fsmithred | use lynx |
| 18:22.22 | devuoom | :D |
| 18:22.25 | fsmithred | buy more ram |
| 18:22.35 | fsmithred | use a lighter desktop if possible |
| 18:23.06 | devuoom | the issue is, any page/tab at any time could allocate a unholy amount of memory |
| 18:23.42 | fsmithred | do you use noscript? |
| 18:23.47 | devuoom | yep |
| 18:23.54 | fsmithred | I know that will save cpu, not sure about memory |
| 18:24.32 | devuoom | on windows and macos the browser will trash the pagefile and even freeze while it swaps but it wont stone cold crash |
| 18:24.42 | r3boot | using surf can be a way out |
| 18:24.54 | r3boot | but that wont render a lot of websites that well |
| 18:25.19 | fsmithred | links2 is pretty nice, too. Makes it look like 1995 |
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| 18:28.43 | fsmithred | devuoom, how much ram do you have, and what desktop are you using? |
| 18:29.09 | devuoom | well, I have seen this behavior on xfce and kde under devuan |
| 18:29.23 | devuoom | I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with the desktop environment or the distribution |
| 18:29.26 | devuoom | I am probably missing something |
| 18:29.43 | fsmithred | well, kde, gnome and cinnamon use huge amounts of ram |
| 18:29.52 | fsmithred | but I've seen the problem with xfce |
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| 18:30.08 | fsmithred | often when I had 2G ram, occasionally now that I have 6 |
| 18:30.15 | devuoom | but a browser eating up all the memory of a system is something pretty normal, that is bound to a happend if you have 2GB or 8GB.... I just expected the browser memory management to be able to deal with it |
| 18:32.44 | fsmithred | You can reduce the number of content processes if your computer is running out of memory. |
| 18:33.41 | fsmithred | un-check "Use recommended perfomance settings." to expose that |
| 18:34.23 | fsmithred | there might be more in about:config |
| 18:39.02 | devuoom | this is interesting: |
| 18:39.03 | devuoom | about:cache?device=memory |
| 18:40.30 | devuoom | doesnt match top or ps tho |
| 18:42.53 | fsmithred | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Memory_Leak |
| 18:47.55 | fsmithred | my cache is currently using 455KiB but ps_mem.py says browser is using about 800MB |
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| 20:26.34 | luser977 | update to ff 78.0.2esr from moz.com |
| 20:26.55 | luser977 | fsmithred: ^ |
| 20:27.26 | fsmithred | ? |
| 20:28.38 | luser977 | re: ff tweaks an hour ago |
| 20:29.24 | luser977 | beowulf has ff68.x, is bad. ff 78.0.2 esr is current |
| 20:30.37 | fsmithred | where is that version? |
| 20:31.09 | mason | Debian ships 68. |
| 20:34.11 | golinux | luser977: Get it directly from mozilla if you must have the latest and shiniest |
| 20:35.04 | fsmithred | 68.11.0esr-1 in chimaera/ceres and 79.0-1 plain ff in ceres |
| 20:35.17 | golinux | Yeah I'm still on 68.9.0esr |
| 20:35.43 | fsmithred | um, I remember when you were still on 48 |
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| 20:37.02 | Jjp137 | according to this, 68.12 would probably be the last 68.x ESR version: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar |
| 20:37.15 | Jjp137 | so really just wait a month and Debian will probably get 78.x-esr |
| 20:37.32 | Jjp137 | and then Devuan will get it too of course |
| 20:40.11 | luser977 | i got 78 from moz.com/org |
| 20:40.50 | luser977 | 68 trashes my disks on low ram machines |
| 20:42.32 | luser977 | 78.0.0 went to .1 then .2 in 25 days. .2 today. security update. |
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| 20:44.12 | luser977 | 79.x on mobile seems to break a lot of things, and no downgrade patg |
| 20:44.21 | luser977 | *h |
| 20:44.54 | luser977 | such as adblock extensions |
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| 20:51.05 | luser977 | to make ff less greedy, nice it +5, and use ulimits. it will then use it's own disk cache and trash disks but not freeze |
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| 20:52.09 | aitor | hi |
| 20:52.24 | Guest37785 | are you talking about web browsers? |
| 20:52.42 | fsmithred | yeah, web hogs. |
| 20:52.44 | fsmithred | hi |
| 20:53.39 | Guest37785 | hi fsmithred |
| 20:54.44 | Guest37785 | i'm packaging iceweasel-uxp: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp |
| 20:55.22 | Guest37785 | the git repo is here: |
| 20:55.23 | Guest37785 | https://github.com/g4jc/iceweasel-uxp |
| 20:56.36 | Guest37785 | it's based on basilisk, by the same developers of Palemoon |
| 20:58.04 | fsmithred | wow, that sounds good |
| 20:58.31 | fsmithred | what about extensions/add-ons |
| 20:58.32 | fsmithred | ? |
| 20:58.38 | fsmithred | noscript |
| 21:00.21 | systemdlete | I removed ssmtp (after experimenting with it, and then reinstalling postfix), and it also removed logwatch along with it! |
| 21:00.24 | Guest37785 | here you are the list of addons: |
| 21:00.26 | Guest37785 | https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp_addons |
| 21:00.40 | systemdlete | I noticed this morning I did not get my normal logwatch report, so I looked at history. |
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| 21:02.35 | fsmithred | nice. Just unpack the latest tarball? |
| 21:03.39 | systemdlete | I can understand maybe removing the logwatch subsidiary scripts for cron when removing ssmtp, but not the logwatch.pl script |
| 21:04.23 | systemdlete | the history indicates that removing ssmtp tried to remove logwatch (and mailutils, ok), although some of logwatch is still around. |
| 21:05.09 | Guest37785 | *Just unpack the latest tarball?* No, fsmithred. I'm building the .deb packages using git-buildpackage. |
| 21:05.18 | fsmithred | oh, cool |
| 21:05.42 | Guest37785 | systemdelete: are you familiar with iceweasel-uxp? |
| 21:05.51 | fsmithred | but I am download the latest tarball. Is it possible to run it? |
| 21:06.13 | golinux | Guest37785: Will be wonderful to have iceweasel back! Hugs to aitor! |
| 21:06.29 | Guest37785 | it's depeloped by the people of hyperbola, and i so your name in the irc channel |
| 21:07.23 | Guest37785 | fsmithred: git-buildpacke worked, but i need to do some improvements; surely the packages will be available tomorrow |
| 21:08.47 | systemdlete | This is confusing. "apt list --installed logwatch" spits out nothing other than a warning that apt's UI may change in the future, but dpkg-query -l | grep logwatch shows it listed (first two columns are "rc") |
| 21:11.36 | systemdlete | Guest37785: I think I have installed iceweasel on one or two distros. Isn't that another variation of firefox, like waterfox, pale moon, sea monkey, and ice cat? |
| 21:12.01 | systemdlete | Guest37785: Not sure why my nick would be mentioned in that channel. More info, please? |
| 21:13.01 | Guest37785 | systemdlete: not mentioned, but it appeared in the list |
| 21:13.26 | golinux | Maybe there are two of them! |
| 21:14.02 | systemdlete | No, I see that I have my hexchat open on hyperbola, that's why. |
| 21:14.03 | Guest37785 | and yes, it's a mozilla variation, but it uses goanna instead of gecko |
| 21:14.38 | fsmithred | afk, bbl |
| 21:14.59 | Guest37785 | and kelsoo... |
| 21:20.14 | Guest37785 | i built it in gtk2, here you are a screenshoot: |
| 21:20.16 | Guest37785 | https://www.gnuinos.org/iceweasel-uxp/Captura%20de%20pantalla.png |
| 21:20.23 | Guest37785 | it's very nice |
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| 21:25.15 | Guest37785 | time to dinner, bye :) |
| 21:30.04 | devuoom | fsmithered: what would be the best way to install 78 and keep my systems updated with apt... I am trying to avoid manual install on several systems |
| 21:30.14 | devuoom | is there a repo? |
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| 21:58.07 | mcr | my install of Android Studio on Devuan, seems to be lacking entries for App->NEW. Specifically, adding a new activity. I can't figure out of this is some environmental screw up (some subtle java version issue...), or if studio has just changed. |
| 21:58.23 | mcr | Not my first time using Android Studio, but it has been two years or so. |
| 22:05.38 | fsmithred | devuoom, there's no 78 in the repo yet. |
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| 22:40.43 | suavedandy | Guys. I have elogind installed but for some reason ACPI events aren't handled. Do I also need acpi-support? |
| 22:48.37 | suavedandy | Also, how do I see init's logs? I noticed something red while SysVinit was rolling. |
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| 22:55.40 | devuoom | suavedandy: bootlodg for pre-rsyslogd boot logs |
| 22:56.43 | devuoom | bootlogd |
| 22:57.29 | devuoom | the actual log file show the actual color if you cat or vim it... maybe someone knows how to parse the color in a playback fashion |
| 22:58.42 | suavedandy | bootlogd? Is that a file? Is that a service? |
| 22:58.55 | suavedandy | Sounds like a service. |
| 23:00.07 | suavedandy | bootlogd is not running. |
| 23:00.13 | suavedandy | FAILED! |
| 23:00.30 | suavedandy | MISSION FAILED |
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| 23:05.03 | suavedandy | How do I start bootlogd⦠on startup? |
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