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| 00:38.57 | systemdlete | thanks fsmithred -- that works, and really made a big difference. Everything seems to just work with this newer version. |
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| 04:01.56 | Nematocyst | I don't know how to get my new beowulf installation to boot. I installed grub to the same ext4 partition, but windows just comes up as if devuan wasn't there, no grub menu |
| 04:02.19 | gnarface | Nematocyst: install grub to the MBR of the primary boot disk |
| 04:02.48 | gnarface | Nematocyst: (that's where the Windows one is currently) |
| 04:03.06 | Nematocyst | is that possible with UEFI? I'm afraid all this gpt and UEFI is mysterioius to me. i'm used to the other method |
| 04:03.43 | gnarface | it's possible with UEFI but secure boot might sabotage you if enabled (bios design dependent) |
| 04:13.29 | Nematocyst | so booting the live DVD again, opening a command prompt, i do: grub-install /dev/nvme0n1p2 (efi), or /dev/nvme0n1, or /dev/nvme0 ? |
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| 04:16.10 | Nematocyst | the system is /dev/nvme0n1p4 (ext4) and /dev/nvme0n1p5 (swap) |
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| 05:46.58 | gnarface | if Nematocyst comes back, someone tell him it's probably /dev/nvme0 but now the naming convention is throwing me for a loop too so i'm not sure |
| 05:48.28 | gnarface | i would guess /dev/nvme0 first. it's definitely not /dev/nvme0n1p2, /dev/nvme0n1p4, or /dev/nvme0n1p5. /dev/nvme0n1 shouldn't exist as far as i know so that's what is throwing me for a loop. I guess i don't know enough about nvme devices... could there be two separate disks on the same physical device? |
| 05:49.05 | gnarface | seems possible i've just never heard of it done that way except on cheesy USB flash card adapters |
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| 06:58.25 | roo^y | Just booted Beowulf after installing update packages. I let it idle, & assume the black screen it went to, was the screensaver it's set to after 10mins. It would not "wake up" from this state, so I used Ctrl Alt Backspace to kill X, back to the login screen. I have now disabled screensaver. (Mele PCG35 Apo) |
| 07:06.37 | gnarface | roo^y: that was the one you were worried maybe it was video card failure? turns out to be a power management state issue after all? |
| 07:07.10 | gnarface | roo^y: (unfortunately a common outcome - for some reason video card drivers and a slew of USB devices fail to sleep properly) |
| 07:07.16 | roo^y | Same pc^ |
| 07:07.51 | gnarface | it's hard to say if it's the actual screen blanking that is the problem, or if it's just the coincidental sleep that happens right afterwards |
| 07:08.01 | roo^y | I see |
| 07:08.07 | gnarface | screen blanking has been safe for me more often than sleep |
| 07:08.16 | gnarface | but neither have 100% clean track record here |
| 07:08.36 | gnarface | since the default configurations do both at about the same time you have to be paying close attention to be sure which is the culprit |
| 07:10.22 | roo^y | Yeah, the first it happened yesterday, I'm pretty sure it was active, typing out a comment for IRC |
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| 07:14.21 | gnarface | hmmm. if you were typing, that should have counted as active, but it's not a guarantee in all cases if your input device is weird |
| 07:15.12 | gnarface | (like if it were a bluetooth device that showed up as both a keyboard and a gamepad, you could have been typing on it as a keyboard but still being ignored by the powermanagment's "activity" monitors) |
| 07:15.42 | gnarface | (somewhat rare though unless it's actually a gamepad) |
| 07:16.02 | gnarface | (or if you had a "main" keyboard already attached prior) |
| 07:16.46 | gnarface | but if that were an issue, you'd probably have noticed other stuff like it blanking the screen while you're typing or playing video games |
| 07:18.07 | gnarface | but it's seeming right now like just some problem with the driver failing to wake up from a dpms suspend/off state |
| 07:18.38 | gnarface | which is definitely something that has happened before with many drivers |
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| 07:35.08 | roo^y | Ok, it's a USB keyboard, plugged into A USB hub |
| 07:37.57 | gnarface | oh interesting, i wonder if the USB hub is interfering somehow |
| 07:38.50 | gnarface | you could try making a custom xorg.conf snippet to explicitly assign that keyboard as the corekeyboard for X, which afaik should be happening automatically but can't be sure of |
| 07:40.44 | roo^y | before beowulf, i've been in a habit of using 'xset dpms force off' i think, to kill screen while i sleep or go away ..i'll have to check if it wakes from that |
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| 07:50.50 | roo^y | only ran 'xset dpms force off' experiment for a few seconds for my monitor light to change to standby color, then i woke it. If problems persist, 2 experiments can be to plug mouse & KB directly in. Also test HW by booting into ASCII & see if it's still trouble free |
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| 08:57.32 | gnarface | roo^y: could be related to something else running in the background. i've noticed that in particular, mplayer, firefox, and blizzard games played through wine all have on their own a very high chance to lockup the nvidia official xorg driver at the moment dpms kicks in, especially if there's a screensaver running too |
| 08:58.45 | gnarface | roo^y: this bug has persisted through multiple generations of nvidia cards, multiple versions of nvidia drivers, multiple kernels, multiple linux distros, across over a decade for me, though it's conclusively a bug in the nvidia driver itself that nothing else seems to expose except the system sleep state |
| 08:59.45 | gnarface | roo^y: (if it never happens while sleep and dpms are disabled, then after a few years you'll know) |
| 08:59.57 | gnarface | roo^y: (just try not to burn your screen instead) |
| 09:02.07 | roo^y | ok. I think this Mele is all intel |
| 09:03.07 | gnarface | roo^y: yea, i know it's not an "apples-to-apples" comparison, i just wanted to cite that such bugs can exist, and are really difficult to diagnose because they come from a rare, difficult-to-reproduce interaction between the driver and multiple programs |
| 09:03.31 | roo^y | i see |
| 09:04.04 | gnarface | i would say be suspicious of anything using opengl or hardware video decoding |
| 09:04.34 | gnarface | since in general those are the driver features that seem the most fraught with weird/rare stability issues |
| 09:05.15 | gnarface | but almost nothing freezes a dumb framebuffer with unaccelerated 2g graphics anymore |
| 09:05.37 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:06.56 | gnarface | also if it's an intel chip, depending on the model, you may have the choice between the kms "modesetting" driver or the native intel one. they will have different performance but i can't predict which will be better for you. they may have different reliability, too. |
| 09:07.30 | roo^y | cool, i could look at that too, thanks |
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| 09:52.34 | roo^y | when using the lsmod command, the last entry for modules is 'video', with 'i915' in it's comment section. So the native intel driver would be loaded, & I'd have the option to try the kms modesetting driver to troubleshoot issues in future |
| 09:55.12 | gnarface | roo^y: you'll have to examine the Xorg log to be sure it's being actually used. the kernel might load it even if Xorg doesn't use it |
| 09:55.37 | roo^y | alright |
| 09:55.58 | gnarface | roo^y: your Xorg log should be at either /var/log/Xorg.0.log or i think ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:56.19 | gnarface | roo^y: (varies depending on configuration) |
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| 09:57.57 | roo^y | the tech side seems like a very deep never-ending rabbit hole |
| 09:58.37 | gnarface | roo^y: i know, i know. even if it's using the Intel one by default, there's a secondary issue to check on still, with regards to DRI2 or DRI3 (usually defaults to DRI2 but in some cases DRI3 is better) |
| 09:59.05 | roo^y | right |
| 09:59.36 | gnarface | roo^y: you should take heart that there's still options to explore though |
| 10:00.03 | roo^y | yep |
| 10:00.04 | gnarface | roo^y: consider that long before this phase, with Windows your options were: 1) reinstall 2) buy another computer 3) pray |
| 10:00.21 | roo^y | haha |
| 10:01.37 | brocashelm | and a wangblow$ reinstall takes fucking 1-2 hours total and might still fail |
| 10:01.51 | brocashelm | what a nightmare |
| 10:01.55 | gnarface | but i feel ya. every driver&hardware combination is a unique and beautiful snowflake with it's own personalities and emergent behaviors depending on the ambient room temperature and power line quality. after a while you get a feel for your stuff though and know what types of things to avoid. |
| 10:02.10 | brocashelm | a typical gnu/linux installer takes 20 minutes at most if you know what you're doing |
| 10:03.52 | gnarface | yea, that's really interesting that the windows installer still takes the same amount of time that it did in the 90's despite a 2000% increase in computing power |
| 10:04.08 | gnarface | but we're starting to drift off topic now, and it's my fault, sorry |
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| 10:53.22 | zatumil | maybe you are more like directx and vulkan https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk |
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| 17:34.08 | gnuworldorder | Greetings all |
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| 17:35.12 | gnuworldorder | I'm having a problem with a newer ryzen laptop, xorg (xrandr) doesn't see my external hdmi out... I have all the amd/radeon drivers installed.... any tips/tricks I am unaware of? |
| 17:35.42 | gnuworldorder | xrandr -q just returns screen 0 and thats it |
| 17:42.43 | stiltr | It doesn't even show info for the built-in screen? |
| 17:44.53 | gnuworldorder | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output defaultScreen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1920x1080 77.00* |
| 17:45.04 | gnuworldorder | listproviders says number 0 |
| 17:46.10 | gnuworldorder | adn I do have firmware-linux-nonfree installed |
| 17:46.54 | gnuworldorder | I was thinking about testing something other than xfce but not sure if that would help |
| 17:49.02 | gnuworldorder | gonna try that real fast |
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| 17:54.27 | stiltr | I wouldn't think the de would be the problem, but I don't really know what the problem is either... |
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| 18:23.40 | brocashelm | with chimaera (testing), noticing that i get graphical glitches when switching to a new tty screen (from xorg), and have already had two random/sudden system crashes without a way to do a soft reboot (that i know of) |
| 18:24.10 | brocashelm | when the system freezes, my keyboard is unusable |
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| 18:54.47 | brocashelm | let's see. just updated firmware-amd-graphics (tried to go without non-free/contrib since install) and will analyze performance |
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| 19:10.58 | fsmithred | brocashelm, you know magic sysrq keys? |
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| 19:24.46 | brocashelm | not familiar |
| 19:33.46 | golinux | You should check it out. Very handy function when needed |
| 19:34.16 | golinux | Search for reisub |
| 19:34.34 | fsmithred | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Magic_SysRQ' |
| 19:34.37 | fsmithred | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Magic_SysRQ |
| 19:34.59 | brocashelm | ok |
| 19:35.06 | fsmithred | set kernel.sysrq=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf to enable all of them |
| 19:35.26 | fsmithred | oh, already done in refracta |
| 19:39.19 | fsmithred | and the gentoo wiki page I linked is incomplete. There are more key combinations. |
| 19:42.39 | brocashelm | ah, i see |
| 19:43.16 | brocashelm | yeah, it was already like that for me |
| 19:43.41 | brocashelm | i just downgraded a few ceres packages i accidentally overwrote in place of chimaera |
| 19:43.59 | brocashelm | to correct dependencies |
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| 21:20.54 | JTechno | hello friends, I've just installed ceres and to my surprise I can't switch from X to console using ctrl-alt-fx is this normal? |
| 21:22.03 | golinux | Really? What do you expect. It is UNSTABLE! |
| 21:22.14 | JTechno | lol |
| 21:22.18 | JTechno | it is indeed |
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| 21:57.31 | brocashelm | "b-b-b-but i thought it was debian, the king of stable distros!" :D |
| 21:58.28 | JTechno | I'm ashamed to say this but it was a keyboard problem |
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| 21:59.55 | brocashelm | i say stick with chimaera if you really need newer stuff, since it has actually gotten stabler |
| 22:00.33 | brocashelm | i can't wait for it to be the next stable release |
| 22:01.05 | MinceR | lol @ debian being stable |
| 22:01.26 | JTechno | I just wanted to check it out, I'm not going to stick with ceres |
| 22:01.35 | brocashelm | fair enough haha |
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| 22:05.33 | onefang | Debian and Devuan "stable" are stable, just like "unstable" is exactly what it says on the tin. |
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| 22:53.55 | yeti | sid = still in development = sid is dangerous |
| 22:54.49 | yeti | what about ceres? |
| 22:55.19 | yeti | a recursive acronym ... creativity on! |
| 22:56.10 | onefang | Careful 'Ere, Really Experimental Stuff? |
| 22:56.39 | yeti | ceres exposes Really Experimental Stuff? |
| 22:56.54 | brocashelm | just reading those debian codenames makes me nostalgic |
| 22:57.32 | yeti | still misses "best debian ever" (debian6) |
| 22:57.56 | yeti | the decline started with wheezy |
| 23:12.30 | Unit193 | YYMV I guess, unstable and especially testing have always treated me pretty well. Though I'd guess this is more a discussion for -ot. :) |
| 23:15.00 | yeti | shortly after freeze testing can be really ugly when all the held back stuff from unstable comes in like a tsunami... |
| 23:15.56 | yeti | hiccups in unstable come more often but in smaller doses... |
| 23:16.40 | yeti | ok... need a walk in the dark... and fresh Oâ _o/" |
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| 23:54.18 | Wafficus | could I ask an nginx + gitweb question if I'm running Devuan on a VPS? |
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