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| 00:12.50 | nemo | heh. it's not systemd's fault, it's AMD's. |
| 00:12.54 | nemo | well. yes, they are right |
| 00:13.29 | nemo | but... systemd also completely trusted rdrand with no mixin, and coded an infinite loop. despite prior issues with this instruction |
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| 14:06.37 | brocashelm | when i try to "unmount" a veracrypt/truecrypt partition through the software, it says "nothing to unmount", but the partitions are still there |
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| 19:14.25 | odb1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.40 | odb1 | what are the most user friendly de's/wm's not requiring dbus by default? |
| 19:17.51 | odb1 | https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/xfce4-without-dbus-and-policykit.54674/ - this was the relevant thread - with another link to gentoo ebuilds and gpo.zugaina https://data.gpo.zugaina.org/y2kbadbug/xfce-base/xfce4-session/xfce4-session-4.12.1.ebuild |
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| 19:27.19 | fsmithred | odb1, https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:d-bus_free_software |
| 19:27.34 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 |
| 19:29.51 | odb1 | nice I hadnt noticed the window managers in that list for some reason... |
| 19:30.11 | fsmithred | probably most window managers will work without dbus |
| 19:30.12 | odb1 | but x.org works right, no config necessary, right? |
| 19:30.56 | fsmithred | either you need elogind/libpam-elogind or you need xserver-xorg-legacy and an edit in Xwrapper.config |
| 19:31.23 | odb1 | have you come across real world users of no-dbus? |
| 19:31.25 | fsmithred | actually I think I read about one other way to do that, either today and yesterday. It's probably on the forum. |
| 19:31.39 | odb1 | or is it mostly people experimenting for a bit and moving on to other things |
| 19:31.44 | fsmithred | I made a live iso and a few people said they have used it. |
| 19:32.17 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta10-nodbus_amd64-2019-04-16.iso |
| 19:32.51 | fsmithred | there's i386 in same directory |
| 19:33.59 | odb1 | any idea with firefox-esr has a ? in your list of compat sw |
| 19:34.05 | odb1 | s/with/why |
| 19:34.14 | fsmithred | nope. It works. |
| 19:35.25 | odb1 | nice! |
| 19:35.52 | odb1 | so most of the edits were made by msi and chillfan which I @ed in case they are alive and willing to talk |
| 19:36.35 | odb1 | and...they dont show up in users on this ch...are they still active somewhere? |
| 19:36.50 | odb1 | just in case you know |
| 19:37.56 | fsmithred | I've seen both of them in the past month |
| 19:38.14 | odb1 | i saw msi on dev1g indeed |
| 19:38.25 | fsmithred | chillfan is sometimes here and in #debianfork, but not often |
| 19:38.41 | fsmithred | msi returned recently after a hiatus |
| 19:39.04 | fsmithred | the wiki is mostly unmaintained at this point |
| 19:39.19 | odb1 | i figured...thats a very shortlist of working sw... |
| 19:39.22 | fsmithred | and might get replaced with something else. I think someone is working on that as a side project |
| 19:39.42 | odb1 | youtube-dl would be nice in combi with mpv/vlc |
| 19:40.12 | fsmithred | you can get it in the repo, but there's really no point. If it's not already broken, it will be broken soon. |
| 19:40.21 | fsmithred | just download the script from git |
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| 19:41.11 | odb1 | will an apt update and apt upgrade suffice from that 1 year old image you think? |
| 19:41.12 | fsmithred | youtube does not want you to use youtube-dl. They can't stop you, but they can make it difficult. |
| 19:41.22 | fsmithred | the nodbus? |
| 19:41.29 | odb1 | yeah |
| 19:41.38 | fsmithred | yeah, I just booted the iso in qemu and installed ff-esr without doing an upgrade |
| 19:41.51 | fsmithred | it's set to install without Recommends |
| 19:41.53 | odb1 | i use youtube-dl all the time...works on invidio.us too |
| 19:42.02 | odb1 | and other instance.invidio.us |
| 19:42.12 | odb1 | instances* |
| 19:42.24 | fsmithred | I keep forgetting about invidio |
| 19:42.38 | fsmithred | 287 packages can be upgraded |
| 19:42.51 | odb1 | nitter instances are great for twitter too...ive not managed to get the equiv project for instagram working though yet |
| 19:43.01 | odb1 | even as a simple user/browser |
| 19:43.35 | fsmithred | nitter will let you see twitter pages? |
| 19:43.50 | odb1 | they dont quite solve posting/logging in to youtube/twitter itself, but its great for everyday reading/viewing |
| 19:43.54 | odb1 | nitter.net |
| 19:43.59 | odb1 | there are other instances |
| 19:44.47 | odb1 | you can find other neat projects by looking at some instances which list a bunch of other self-hosted projects they have -- > neat trick |
| 19:46.15 | odb1 | theres another page that tracks fediverse instances (mastodon, gnu social and so on) and there is libreho.st which lists a few more interesting groups of people |
| 19:46.19 | fsmithred | deadbeef is on that iso and was installed from a deb package. It's not in repo and won't upgrade automatically. |
| 19:46.19 | odb1 | fyi |
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| 19:47.29 | openbsdtai123 | I managed to play games on devuan and rpi3b... it works well for many opengl. https://termbin.com/apdg (setup.c will guide you to install things unix, games, on rpi3b -- with opengl). |
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| 19:47.44 | mason | fsmithred: re: nitter, I say "nit foo" in a shell where foo is a Twitter URL someone's linked, and this runs: https://bpa.st/6XSA |
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| 19:48.08 | mason | Unrelated foo in the script. I overuse foo. |
| 19:48.46 | mason | I haven't found a reasonable way to get Firefox to just do that for me. |
| 19:49.24 | odb1 | fediverse.network was the site listing many/all instances, though their certif is expired for some reason...still accessible. There are also searx instances. searx.space |
| 19:50.09 | mason | Nitter is nice in that it's free software and you can run your own, also. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter |
| 19:50.33 | mason | adds Mastodon to his list of stuff to do on vacation this week, although it's decidedly somewhere after twiki. |
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| 19:53.13 | odb1 | ive not noticed any project for fb yet (runs w/o js at least in m.facebook.com) - and linkedin is the ultimate hardest to browse without logging in/js...there are yt vids showing how you can use a google tool to see a page w/o login, though that requires js too |
| 19:55.29 | odb1 | is there a reason why http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ not accessible with https? |
| 19:56.39 | mason | Not sure who runs it. |
| 19:56.45 | mason | bbiab, need to find new lamps |
| 19:57.22 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, ^^^ |
| 19:59.08 | odb1 | im guessing thats the only public log fsmithred ? |
| 19:59.31 | fsmithred | yeah, that's the only one I know about |
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| 20:14.21 | odb1 | fsmithred, will searching dbus in d1g show threads mentioning "d-bus" only? |
| 20:15.09 | fsmithred | search for dbus will return threads that have posts that contain the string, dbus |
| 20:15.27 | fsmithred | or set it for posts - there's a drop-down for that near the bottom |
| 20:15.46 | fsmithred | search nodbus will return a few threads |
| 20:16.18 | fsmithred | 9 |
| 20:18.45 | odb1 | did you ever post those blend files for nodbus 2019 iso? |
| 20:18.56 | odb1 | as mentioned in thread |
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| 20:26.55 | odb1 | did i miss your reply fsmithred ? |
| 20:27.30 | fsmithred | no, you didn't |
| 20:27.36 | fsmithred | I missed your last question |
| 20:27.55 | fsmithred | I'll check |
| 20:29.19 | fsmithred | no |
| 20:29.28 | fsmithred | and I think it did not work the last time I tried it |
| 20:29.37 | odb1 | when was that? |
| 20:29.52 | fsmithred | before I made the iso you used |
| 20:29.54 | odb1 | live-sdk...same blends but fails to build/run/makeiso? |
| 20:30.06 | odb1 | before 2019april |
| 20:30.12 | odb1 | or that iso at least |
| 20:30.27 | fsmithred | which was made by installing the older one in a VM and upgrading it, then making the iso with refractasnapshot |
| 20:30.35 | odb1 | ah |
| 20:31.02 | fsmithred | I think I tried it when I got back from Amsterdam last year, so yeah, it would have been in April |
| 20:31.26 | fsmithred | I think I had trouble excluding dbus in the build with live-sdk |
| 20:32.28 | odb1 | so those blends have never worked...so...you never got live-sdk to build... |
| 20:32.38 | fsmithred | yeah, the first one worked |
| 20:32.45 | fsmithred | was ascii |
| 20:33.31 | odb1 | which older one... june (1st post in the thread 2018june with debootstrap) - or the sept 2018 ones? - sept 2018 = live-sdk and working? |
| 20:34.34 | fsmithred | refracta9-nodbus |
| 20:35.27 | fsmithred | not sure. If the file name has date-time stamp, it was probably made with refractasnapshot |
| 20:35.59 | fsmithred | have you ever used live-sdk? |
| 20:38.12 | odb1 | also...get.refracta.org gives me "missing issuer certificate" - is it self-signed only? |
| 20:38.35 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 20:38.42 | odb1 | i havent, and i understand its longer to learn but quicker to automate after |
| 20:38.58 | odb1 | im going to read up though |
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| 20:39.42 | fsmithred | I just tarred up the beowulf nodbus blend that I tried last year. I'll upload it and you can play with it. |
| 20:41.04 | odb1 | perhaps use certbot or something to have letsencrypt or something? |
| 20:41.17 | odb1 | (too many or somethings) |
| 20:41.28 | odb1 | sure send the tar :) |
| 20:41.48 | fsmithred | someone else set up the site for me |
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| 20:42.18 | odb1 | k |
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| 20:42.24 | fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/blends/nodbus-beowulf-blend.tar.xz |
| 20:43.34 | fsmithred | the blends for devuan live isos are in git with live-sdk. They are current and should work for you. |
| 20:43.52 | fsmithred | I suggest that you build the first one without any blend |
| 20:44.11 | odb1 | how many hrs to crash course live-sdk? |
| 20:44.14 | fsmithred | then pick a working blend, run it to make sure it works for you |
| 20:44.35 | fsmithred | took me a month of deconstructing the heads build. |
| 20:44.44 | odb1 | heads - in git? |
| 20:44.52 | odb1 | or heads distro |
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| 20:44.59 | fsmithred | heads the devuan version of tails |
| 20:45.03 | odb1 | ah |
| 20:45.25 | odb1 | no one has update that iso since...2 years> |
| 20:45.30 | odb1 | or so |
| 20:45.36 | fsmithred | there's a howto on the forum, but it might not be completely accurate now |
| 20:46.10 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 |
| 20:46.18 | odb1 | unless there is some more recent unofficial heads iso than spring 2018 |
| 20:46.31 | fsmithred | I don't know of one |
| 20:46.55 | fsmithred | but the blend files should be available, so you could build your own |
| 20:47.28 | fsmithred | if it's not on git.devuan.org, it's probably still on github.com |
| 20:48.51 | odb1 | heads and blend return nothing in git.dev1 |
| 20:51.01 | fsmithred | https://heads.dyne.org/wiki/inside-heads.pdf |
| 20:51.29 | fsmithred | this is from 2017: https://libraries.io/github/parazyd/heads-build-system |
| 20:52.19 | fsmithred | parazyd, where is your most recent heads repo or blend files? |
| 20:52.33 | odb1 | i noticed you #! zsh...should i be running that while building? |
| 20:52.48 | fsmithred | yeah, you must |
| 20:52.53 | odb1 | ah |
| 20:52.58 | odb1 | i guess bash is out |
| 20:53.18 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 20:53.26 | fsmithred | zsh -f |
| 20:53.30 | fsmithred | source sdk |
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| 20:53.43 | fsmithred | load devuan <arch> <blend name> |
| 20:53.47 | fsmithred | build_iso_dist |
| 20:53.59 | fsmithred | boot the iso with qemu to test it when it's done |
| 20:54.49 | fsmithred | don't like task-xfce-desktop? Change it in the config file to a different one, run it again, and you have an iso with a different de. |
| 20:56.22 | parazyd | fsmithred, odb1: https://github.com/headslive/build-system |
| 20:56.31 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 20:56.37 | parazyd | np |
| 20:56.38 | odb1 | ty |
| 20:57.40 | parazyd | Another setup is here: https://github.com/maemo-leste/image-builder/ |
| 20:57.57 | parazyd | But notably less documentation |
| 20:59.46 | fsmithred | have you tried making a beowulf heads yet? |
| 21:00.32 | odb1 | fsmithred, anything to modify in rootfs-overlay in the blends xz file you sent? |
| 21:00.45 | fsmithred | what do you mean? |
| 21:01.03 | fsmithred | oh, I understand the question |
| 21:01.14 | odb1 | there are also 2 config files, one next to the blend file, and one in the folder beowulf |
| 21:01.19 | fsmithred | I don't know the answer because I haven't looked at that in a year. |
| 21:01.25 | fsmithred | correct |
| 21:01.36 | fsmithred | the one in the beowulf dir has the package lists |
| 21:01.47 | fsmithred | the one next to the blend file has blend settings |
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| 21:02.28 | fsmithred | one thing you will need to do is add a line to the blend map in live-sdk/sdk after you clone the repo. |
| 21:03.00 | fsmithred | so it knows about your blend when you make one |
| 21:03.25 | odb1 | you said 1 month to master live-sdk or with a specific goal in mind (heads, as you mentioned) |
| 21:03.39 | fsmithred | well, goal was desktop-live |
| 21:03.53 | fsmithred | not a month to run it and make a heads iso |
| 21:03.57 | odb1 | my goal would be to just refresh the isos...nodbus to current stable sw versions... |
| 21:04.01 | fsmithred | that took proably a couple hours total |
| 21:04.51 | odb1 | from there I might get more ambitious and try seeing if i can make a heads with openbox/icewm/ or xfce if this is all easier than expected, big if |
| 21:05.00 | fsmithred | easier way is to install it in VM and update/upgrade and run refractasnapshot periodically |
| 21:05.37 | fsmithred | check simple-ice blend where you downloaded the nodbus blend files |
| 21:05.50 | odb1 | 2 years of upgrade could indeed create issues, any way to upgrade partially, like to debian 10, then upgrade since to today? |
| 21:06.07 | odb1 | or even smaller bitesized updates? |
| 21:06.21 | fsmithred | oh, don't try to use refractasnapshot with heads |
| 21:06.32 | fsmithred | heads doesn't have live-config, last time I checked |
| 21:06.59 | fsmithred | but the nodbus will work that way. That's how I did it last time. |
| 21:09.05 | odb1 | ohno |
| 21:09.14 | fsmithred | ? |
| 21:09.16 | odb1 | heads cant be snapshotted with your tool |
| 21:09.34 | fsmithred | actually, I think you can do it. |
| 21:09.47 | fsmithred | But you won't be able to install refractasnaphot |
| 21:10.06 | fsmithred | uh, I'm not even sure if heads still has live-boot |
| 21:10.31 | fsmithred | if so, you could just put the refractasnapshot files in place without installing the package |
| 21:10.38 | fsmithred | it'll run fine that way |
| 21:14.03 | odb1 | ..like i extract the part of deb package with the folder hierarchy to / (root)? |
| 21:14.49 | fsmithred | the 2018 heads iso is beowulf |
| 21:15.05 | fsmithred | 934 packages can be upgraded |
| 21:15.55 | fsmithred | I just put the .deb in its own directory, run 'ar x' on it and copy the files into place |
| 21:18.47 | fsmithred | you could install refractasnapshot, but it adds a bunch of stuff (live-boot, live-config, syslinux and more)_ |
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| 21:32.26 | odb1 | fsmithred, "copy the files into place" thats specifically what i want to streamline... a single cp ( ) -t / would be quicker than multiple cp's , one per target dir ( /usr/, /lib, etc) |
| 21:33.38 | fsmithred | except the files aren't in their respective target directories in the .deb |
| 21:34.00 | odb1 | yeah that lengthens the process each time then |
| 21:34.22 | fsmithred | it's not going to save you much by doing it that way. You can avoid live-config, but not the other dependencies. |
| 21:34.46 | fsmithred | easier just to install the package |
| 21:35.46 | fsmithred | probably better to build heads from scratch each time rather than install a bunch of stuff that isn't really needed except to build isos. |
| 21:36.35 | fsmithred | less software = less attack surface |
| 21:36.43 | odb1 | is 16gb enough to build in vm? |
| 21:36.50 | fsmithred | plenty |
| 21:36.58 | odb1 | 8gb? |
| 21:37.08 | fsmithred | I usually use 12-14 for building xfce isos |
| 21:37.23 | fsmithred | 8 will work but might get tight |
| 21:37.24 | odb1 | as per htop/other mem tracker? |
| 21:37.29 | odb1 | ok |
| 21:37.40 | fsmithred | talking disk space here |
| 21:37.49 | odb1 | i disappointingly realized the device i had couldnt use 32gb |
| 21:37.54 | odb1 | 16max |
| 21:37.59 | odb1 | yeah |
| 21:38.07 | odb1 | ...lol |
| 21:39.17 | odb1 | was that live-sdk sufficient, or should i read every other wiki/friendsofdebian/readmes on live-sdk? |
| 21:39.48 | odb1 | dev1 wiki ofc |
| 21:39.59 | fsmithred | the howto should be sufficient |
| 21:40.13 | fsmithred | you have a little shell scripting experience? |
| 21:40.23 | odb1 | very basic |
| 21:40.27 | fsmithred | that's enough |
| 21:40.45 | fsmithred | most of it is already there in front of your face |
| 21:41.36 | odb1 | and i can man or google what i dont understand - characters are harder though |
| 21:42.11 | odb1 | so if i build and it fails, how do I (or you, when you usually do it) know what to change in config/.blend file etc? |
| 21:42.35 | fsmithred | look at the output in the terminal and look in the log files that get created |
| 21:44.04 | fsmithred | read the instruction on the live-sdk git page (README.md) |
| 21:46.25 | odb1 | i figured re output/logs, but im entering into the abyss, hopefully your success/fail at troubleshooting these hiccups is good enough..50% success? 25%? |
| 21:47.06 | fsmithred | one common killer of builds is to have a non-existent package in the list |
| 21:48.01 | odb1 | vm-sdk is irrelevant, even if i do all this in vm? |
| 21:48.08 | fsmithred | correct |
| 21:48.58 | fsmithred | uh |
| 21:49.07 | fsmithred | don't try to run live-sdk in a vm |
| 21:49.51 | fsmithred | I suggested using a vm as a build system with refractasnapshot |
| 21:50.04 | fsmithred | which will work nicely with the nodbus build |
| 21:50.35 | fsmithred | for heads, I suggest live-sdk because you get a clean (unused) build every time |
| 21:50.51 | fsmithred | and because using refracta tools with it would add a bunch more software |
| 21:51.02 | fsmithred | and I don't know how that would affect the security |
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| 21:53.20 | odb1 | noted |
| 21:53.57 | odb1 | can i accidentally forget to install dependancies? or will it complain early and visibly enough |
| 21:55.53 | odb1 | im also using trisquel's alpha atm, in case youve heard of any successes/failures building with that...or maybe ill just reboot from devuan 3 recent iso |
| 21:56.02 | odb1 | i think ill do the latter, actually |
| 22:02.10 | odb1 | i just have this fear of something being missed/forgotten and only noticing it near the end, forcing to restart...if you have any of that kind of experience/pitfalls to avoid to share.... |
| 22:06.23 | odb1 | also i might have to continue this project later as I currently only have 8gb ram in the intented device...was planning on buying 16gb ram, but I might not be able to purchase it in store this w-e as I'm told lenovo laptops are finicky about the ram they accept...even moreso if corebooted/librebooted |
| 22:07.53 | odb1 | bbl |
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| 22:14.54 | fsmithred | <odb1> i just have this fear of something being missed/forgotten and only noticing it near the end, forcing to restart...if you have any of that kind of experience/pitfalls to avoid to share.... |
| 22:15.08 | fsmithred | nothing in particular except that I hate when that happens |
| 22:15.28 | fsmithred | and you don't need more than 8G ram. I have done it many times with 2G |
| 22:15.49 | odb1 | ah cool |
| 22:16.15 | odb1 | but still 12-14gb storage right? |
| 22:16.16 | fsmithred | you should have more than 2G to run the iso if you plan on opening a web browser |
| 22:16.19 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:16.40 | fsmithred | installed system is around 4G, give or take 1G or so |
| 22:16.52 | fsmithred | and you need that much again for a copy of the file system |
| 22:16.57 | fsmithred | plus room for the iso |
| 22:17.44 | fsmithred | wait, I'm confused |
| 22:17.45 | odb1 | -4+4+4 = 12gb? |
| 22:18.05 | fsmithred | which method are we talking about? |
| 22:18.35 | fsmithred | 12G virtual disk is enough to install the nodbus, update/upgrade and make a new iso (or two) |
| 22:18.48 | odb1 | live-sdk for heads...maybe for nodbus too if i use the blend folder you mentioned, no? |
| 22:18.52 | fsmithred | if we're talking about live-sdk, you probably need more space |
| 22:19.01 | odb1 | theres no refrsn...that takes far less |
| 22:19.07 | odb1 | oh crap |
| 22:19.52 | fsmithred | not sure. I've never run live-sdk in a vm |
| 22:20.03 | fsmithred | always did that on hardware |
| 22:20.26 | odb1 | actually scratch that...refrsn uses about 3 times the iso size i would say, no? |
| 22:20.36 | odb1 | so what about live-sdk...assume out of a vm? |
| 22:21.05 | fsmithred | refractasnapshot makes an rsync copy of the entire filesystem |
| 22:21.16 | fsmithred | then squashes it |
| 22:21.27 | fsmithred | and puts the squash inside an iso |
| 22:21.46 | fsmithred | so fs copy, squashfs and iso are all present at the same time |
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| 23:10.19 | qbmonkey | does an error in aufs-dkms 686 get reported to devuan or debian? |
| 23:14.13 | qbmonkey | misconfigured package scripts |
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| 23:48.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>[18 Jul 2020 21:57:22] <fsmithred> DocScrutinizer05, ^^^<< HMM? [18 Jul 2020 21:56:39] <mason> Not sure who runs it. [18 Jul 2020 21:50:09] <mason> Nitter is nice ... ??? |
| 23:48.35 | odb1 | hello DocScrutinizer05 ... |
| 23:49.03 | fsmithred | hi DocScrutinizer05 |
| 23:49.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah, the chanlog |
| 23:49.26 | fsmithred | the question was about https on the irc log site |
| 23:50.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | >><odb1> is there a reason why http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ not accessible with https?<< well, I'm simply too lazy and actually also no idea what for I would need a server cert and https for |
| 23:51.11 | fsmithred | so nobody could snoop on the publically accessible logs you're reading? |
| 23:51.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | all that stuff is absolutely public and I don't care encrypting it |
| 23:52.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna do sekrit searches then too bad ;-) |
| 23:52.23 | fsmithred | tor browser |
| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or that |
| 23:55.11 | odb1 | certbot apparently is the quick way (i know of) to install letsencrypt... |
| 23:55.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know (and sort of hate) LE |
| 23:56.02 | odb1 | maybe its just assuming that mitm is too easy when no cert |
| 23:56.35 | odb1 | its less about secrets...more about am I actually reading the site, or some identically looking site, perhaps with malware |
| 23:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | what would you be aftaid of a MITM would do to the highly critical data you may read on my server? |
| 23:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | swap all devuan for debian? ;-P |
| 23:57.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is no ware, neither mal nor any other, on my server |
| 23:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | AND you don't even need damn KS for my server |
| 23:58.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 23:58.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | JS * |