IRC log for #devuan on 20200705

00:00.05kreyrenahhh it requires systemd even on exherbo ;c
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03:31.43search_socialit requires systemd or it "requires" systemd?
03:32.15search_socialmaybe force install and it won't matter
04:03.37gnarfacekreyren: libsystemd0 !== systemd
04:03.54gnarfacekreyren: (libsystemd is still present but vestigial without systemd itself running)
04:03.54kreyrengnarface, sounds same, smells same
04:04.12gnarfacekreyren: well, it's the runtime libraries, but they're harmless without the payload
04:04.39gnarfaceall they're doing is taking up space
04:04.42kreyrenunless there are applications like gamemode that are provided from debian that are utilizing them~
04:04.50kreyrengnarface, that's definition of bloatware! :p
04:05.03gnarfacekreyren: well, no, bloatware has advertisements
04:05.09kreyrentrue but still
04:05.17kreyrenwait no that would be adware~
04:05.53gnarfacekreyren: you might be right about gamemode in theory but afaik that shouldn't be possible based on the current way systemd works
04:05.54kreyrenis creating new sandbox for gamemode now
04:06.04gnarfacewell, it can't hurt.   better safe than sorry
04:06.24kreyrenye and i've submitted https://github.com/FeralInteractive/gamemode/pull/262 to make it run on exherbo
04:08.36gnarfacekreyren: you're right it's unnecessary bloat, conceded
04:09.16gnarfacekreyren: it's a lot more work to rebuild all the packages to remove libsystemd though, so they just removed the systemd daemon, which should leave the rest of it's dependencies unused
04:09.58gnarfacekreyren: there might be work in progress to get libsystemd out too for future releases, it's just that there's economic constraints, you understand?
04:10.31gnarfaceright now this was the only way to make ends meet
04:12.32gnarface... but, volunteers welcome!
04:14.36kreyrengnarface, like i am already making exherbo downstream might as well include devuan too :p
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10:22.18search_socialjava.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: appguru/Main has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 58.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 55.0
10:22.22search_socialgod help me
10:25.12search_socialE: Release file for http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf/InRelease is not valid yet (invalid for another 12d 5h 14min 40s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
10:26.25onefangdeb.devuan.org is a DNS round robin in front of a bunch of mirrors.  Did you catch the IP of the one giving you that message?
10:26.44search_sociali don't know how to do that
10:27.41onefangAlso check the time on that computer is correct.
10:28.05search_socialit's not
10:31.55onefangDate: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:31:46 UTC is the timestamp on http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/beowulf/InRelease, that's in the past.
10:33.21onefangOr rather on pkgmaster, which all the mirrors sync to.  It might be different on what ever mirror you got yours from.
10:33.47search_socialokay changing the date fixed it thanks
10:34.14search_sociali don't see an updated java in experimental so i guess i'll be pulling from debian
10:35.15gnarfaceit would also be missing in debian
10:35.24onefangIf the date was that far out from that mirror, other things might be wrong.
10:36.05search_sociali can't imagine why this java file would be so new then
10:36.16gnarfacewell, experimental is going to have pretty new stuff in it
10:36.21gnarfacebut i wouldn't recommend using it
10:37.10search_socialthat's how i feel about java :)
10:37.10gnarfacethe thing is, java won't be different between debian and devuan, they should be the same packages, unless the devuan mirror is out of date, which is a transient issue that should clear itself up shortly
10:37.38gnarfacesometimes other stuff goes wrong but it is rare
10:38.58gnarfaceand also, just fyi, "i guess i'll just pull it from debian then" is also very likely to wreck your system
10:39.34gnarfacein all other cases
10:39.35search_social:)
10:40.13search_sociallooks like package version is same anyway
10:40.32onefangMost Devuan packages are just the Debian packages, we don't change many of them.
10:41.17onefangMost Devuan mirrors just redirect you to Debian mirrors for most packages.  Unless they ARE a Debian mirror to.
10:41.43onefangThat's why the word "merged" is in the URL.  B-)
10:47.10search_socialah
10:47.10search_socialgood call
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11:24.19buZzsearch_social: if you want newer packages, maybe look at backports?
11:24.42buZzbasically https://backports.debian.org/ , but devuan has beowulf-backports , etc
11:25.09search_sociali have those as well as experimental idk why the java is so new anyway
11:25.29search_sociali'm trying to just recompile it atm
11:25.55buZzno clue what you're doing ;)
11:29.58search_socialAn exception occurred applying plugin request [id: 'com.github.johnrengelman.shadow', version: '5.2.0']
11:30.02search_social> Failed to apply plugin [class 'com.github.jengelman.gradle.plugins.shadow.ShadowBasePlugin'] > This version of Shadow supports Gradle 5.0+ only. Please upgrade.
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11:40.21search_socialyou know i must say, this gradle tool is awesome
11:41.39search_socialIt has a running timer of the build, displays whta each processor is doing, and when it failed it isolated the error message clearly
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11:43.12buZzyeah CI tools are fun
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15:08.43openbsdtai123hello
15:08.44openbsdtai123how to start tmux onto the /dev/tty0 ?
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20:58.07kreyrenHow is this possible? https://hastebin.com/raw/ogeqexequq
20:58.12kreyrenassuming this system having dGPU
20:58.22kreyrenGPU: AMD ATI Radeon HD 6630M/6650M/6750M/7670M/7690M
20:58.38kreyrenhas probably some package missing~
21:01.14kreyreninstalled firmware-amd-graphics and is trying to reboot~
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22:07.05kreyren[m]made a major mistake in pinning which broke his whole system so hes rebuilding devan again~
22:07.18kreyren[m]also has to so that whole process from SSH on his android because Getty is hugged and xorg is refusing to start
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