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| 00:10.50 | brocashelm | gnarface: still mixed results. three packages are broken (libfaudio0:i386, wine-staging-dev:i386, and wine-staging-i386:i386). although i could at least run winecfg, attempting to launch a program complained that it was a 32-bit install on a 64-bit platform, and the other way around. i think i'll wait until the next major release |
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| 00:23.46 | gnarface | brocashelm: hmm, i'm not 100% sure that's not still a user-error based issue. what does this output for you? "dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" |
| 00:24.09 | gnarface | brocashelm: also, when you're trying to pull wine-staging from the winehq repo, you've got all the other repos commented-out during that attempt, correct? |
| 00:25.07 | gnarface | brocashelm: based only on what you've shown me, failure to run "apt-get update" at the necessary times could even be the issue, sorry if these sanity checks seem menial to you |
| 00:26.11 | gnarface | brocashelm: but yea, if it's really broken in winehq's site itself, that wouldn't be new or unsurprising to me, i just wanted to make sure |
| 00:26.20 | gnarface | *new or surprising |
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| 00:40.07 | frabbit | hey people, sadly i need to delete my account |
| 00:40.15 | frabbit | so if anyone comes here as frabbit in the future: its not me |
| 00:40.22 | frabbit | you all were very kind with helping me out with stuff. wish u all a good time and stay safe ;) |
| 00:40.28 | frabbit | bye |
| 00:41.19 | tuxd3v | frabbit, are you ok? |
| 00:42.05 | frabbit | tuxd3v: nah not really |
| 00:42.21 | tuxd3v | frabbit, wait a second.. |
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| 00:42.37 | frabbit | the putin trolls got me yesterday... im getting in rage mode when it comes to "the idiots of planet earth" |
| 00:43.09 | frabbit | and thats not healthy for me... im a peaceful peron even if im getting angry quick when something goes wrong for me... |
| 00:43.37 | frabbit | happy hacking devuan people and thanks for a awesome Gnu/Linux without systemd! =) |
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| 00:48.16 | crhylove | Hey y'all.. I'm having trouble with sound output in Hydrogen, and also it takes too long to load. |
| 00:50.12 | gnarface | crhylove: does speaker-test work? |
| 00:51.00 | gnarface | crhylove: try this for starters: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav |
| 00:51.43 | gnarface | crhylove: first we need to know if it errors, or if it plays, or if it says it's playing with no error, but doesn't make any sound anyway |
| 00:52.24 | crhylove | gnarface, Trying now... |
| 00:53.09 | crhylove | Not hearing anything.... |
| 00:53.30 | crhylove | I ctrl-C'ed it. |
| 00:53.57 | crhylove | DOH! My audio settings somehow changed. |
| 00:54.02 | crhylove | This may fix it.... |
| 00:54.37 | gnarface | crhylove: check alsamixer first, but if you're using pulseaudio too don't forget to check pavucontrol as well |
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| 00:55.15 | crhylove | Hmmmmm Got sound but it's all distorted now. |
| 00:55.19 | crhylove | Going for a reboot. BRB |
| 00:56.54 | buZz | i'd love if i could tell pulseaudio that 100% is loud enough and it should never go above :P |
| 00:57.03 | buZz | although it hasnt been an issue of mine lately |
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| 02:39.01 | wev | hey |
| 02:39.16 | wev | just wanted to let y'all know of my attempt at using devuan... that failed |
| 02:39.34 | wev | i spent massive time downloading a whole offline dvd iso... |
| 02:39.47 | wev | then when i did the install, i did an OFFLINE install |
| 02:40.21 | wev | then it failed to set up my laptop's wireless device, and failed to provide any software to get online |
| 02:40.47 | wev | i have to set certain network variables before getting online, which is why i did an offline setup |
| 02:41.12 | wev | and i didn't want to troubleshoot that hassle of trying to get an offline system online |
| 02:41.21 | wev | so.. it was dead in the water, a huge waste of time |
| 02:41.25 | golinux | Have you read the release notes? |
| 02:41.39 | wev | but i really like the distro and its effort |
| 02:41.39 | wev | no |
| 02:41.55 | golinux | <ight be something in there to help |
| 02:41.59 | golinux | Might |
| 02:42.19 | golinux | http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt |
| 02:43.04 | wev | of course, 99 times out of 100 it seems, it's *my* fault, right? lol. that's a linux mentality that's incompatible with the real world of people just wanting stuff to work and not wanting to be a kernel programmer just to get minesweeper to work |
| 02:43.29 | wev | but thank you.. i'm just dropping in to give feedback |
| 02:43.40 | golinux | Bye then |
| 02:44.12 | wev | my feedback is: when a user selects an offline install, don't NOT set up their networking hardware |
| 02:44.34 | wev | ya bye |
| 02:47.08 | gnarface | wev: that's expected behavior inherited from Debian, fyi. also, if you tried to set up the network and failed you're probably just missing non-free wifi firmware packages or something like that. you really should read those release notes. |
| 02:48.06 | gnarface | wev: and if you don't like it you're entitled to a full refund |
| 02:48.35 | wev | well if your goal is to mimick debian, except without systemd, then i guess it's debian's fault, and i think it's inexcusible |
| 02:49.29 | wev | qnarface, well, giving my time a reasonable value of, say, $100, where's my money? lol |
| 02:50.47 | gnarface | that is the goal in fact, to mimic debian but without systemd, and there's frankly no budget for much more than that, but just an additional fyi, if you'd chosen the netinstall image instead, and set up the network during install, it would have probably included your non-free wifi firmware automatically (one convenience that afaik debian doesn't even provide yet) |
| 02:52.06 | gnarface | and if you want to be reimbursed for your time then you're going to have to reimburse me for mine first |
| 02:52.18 | wev | gnarface yes i know, but i have to set ping to 65 before i start downloading MB and GB of software |
| 02:52.31 | wev | ping* no.. umm.. ttl |
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| 03:23.15 | hemimaniac | I made that mistake my first install of devuan, offline install, but thankfully I got it sorted pretty quick buy tethering with the phone. But that was on me as I didn't rtm |
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| 04:29.39 | plasma41 | I have to manually run `dhclient` after each reboot in order to get an ip address. I consider not autoconnecting without my say so to be a feature, not a bug. |
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| 04:47.56 | golinux | plasma41: Still here? |
| 04:48.37 | plasma41 | still here |
| 04:49.29 | golinux | When you got on , my connection wonked out. |
| 04:50.29 | golinux | Maybe that wasn;t you. It's cycling connecting and reconnecting |
| 04:54.58 | plasma41 | same here |
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| 08:11.18 | VoidPtr | New Devuan user here. I'm trying to tweak my system: suspend on lid close doesn't work even after setting the right configuration in xfce4-powermanager, do you have any suggestion on where to start troubleshooting? |
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| 08:22.05 | xinomilo | ceres users with network-manager dont upgrade |
| 08:22.16 | xinomilo | use testing version |
| 08:47.13 | xinomilo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=964139 |
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| 12:54.53 | goleo | hi |
| 12:55.34 | goleo | I can't download Devuan via BitTorrent, I guess there are no seeds |
| 12:59.35 | Joril | That's strange, I'm seeding it right now |
| 12:59.41 | Joril | Ascii and Beowulf both |
| 13:05.57 | goleo | btw, I hope Devuan doesn't stop on getting rid of systemd |
| 13:06.39 | goleo | I don't like everything from Red Hat, but systemd, pulseaudio and wayland are the worst |
| 13:07.21 | brocashelm | goleo: it will never happen, because devuan preaches init freedom on their page |
| 13:07.43 | goleo | ok |
| 13:07.50 | brocashelm | i agree that systemd, pulseaudio, and wayland are garbage |
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| 13:08.44 | brocashelm | runit and alsa suit me just fine |
| 13:10.14 | brocashelm | https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom |
| 13:10.24 | goleo | I believe the only sane audio servers are JACK and sndio |
| 13:17.47 | brocashelm | i also use jack |
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| 16:58.05 | Wafficus | Hi there, can I ask an Audacity question? |
| 16:58.42 | Wafficus | I'm on a Thinkpad T440s (i7 cpu with 12 gigs ram) and the first track I can record is just fine, but the overdubs sound like they're skipping information every other second or so |
| 16:59.11 | Wafficus | I'm using a Focusrite Solo interface (2nd gen) and the settings are fine in .asoundrc as I can hear just audio just fine. I'm just wondering if this is a Devuan, sound card, or Audacity issue |
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| 20:18.55 | cbthree | Is there a Devuan MATE desktop-live iso? |
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| 20:25.09 | cbthree | Is the desktop 4 GB DVD iso a live image? |
| 20:34.43 | golinux | cbthree: No. Only the desktop-live is a live iso, Please read the top of this page for description of the various isos offered: https://devuan.org/get-devuan |
| 20:36.11 | golinux | Oops , , , , there is also the minimal-live |
| 20:36.47 | cbthree | Thanks. A MATE live image would be nice to have in the near future though |
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| 20:46.22 | golinux | cbthree: There are devuan derivatives that use the mate theme |
| 20:46.49 | golinux | https://devuan.org/os/devuan-distros |
| 20:49.06 | cbthree | Which one(s) are live MATE desktop image(s)? |
| 20:51.34 | golinux | I thought there were but I'm not seeing them . . . |
| 20:51.59 | golinux | You can install mate with the devuan installers |
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| 20:53.15 | golinux | There are even installation instructionswith screenshots to guide you https://devuan.org/os/install |
| 20:59.38 | cbthree | There are NO Beowulf live derivatives that use MATE as their DE |
| 21:01.22 | fsmithred | you need it to be live? |
| 21:01.37 | golinux | It seems so |
| 21:02.06 | fsmithred | you could make your own with live-sdk. You only need to change a couple of lines in the package list. |
| 21:02.16 | golinux | Didn't Gnuinos used to be based on mate? |
| 21:02.29 | fsmithred | he might have a mate build |
| 21:03.03 | golinux | I clearly remember seeing mate pages on his site |
| 21:04.04 | fsmithred | beowulf is ob |
| 21:04.32 | fsmithred | ascii is xfce |
| 21:07.36 | golinux | It was AntoFox who did the Mate desktop stuff https://gitlab.devuan.org/users/AntoFox/contributed |
| 21:09.09 | fsmithred | I think avmultimedia uses mate |
| 21:09.31 | golinux | shudders . . . |
| 21:09.43 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17659#p17659 |
| 21:10.31 | fsmithred | dev-1-dash-1 has a mate live-iso, but it's just his personal build. |
| 21:12.17 | golinux | http://hezeh.org/mate-1.21-on-devuan-beowulf |
| 21:12.51 | golinux | Couldn't remember hezeh.org |
| 21:13.14 | golinux | cbthree: ^^^ |
| 21:14.32 | golinux | http://hezeh.org/mate-desktop-1.22 also |
| 21:14.55 | golinux | Not a live iso though . . . |
| 21:15.53 | cbthree | And a live BEOWULF MATE iso is exactly what i am after |
| 21:16.20 | cbthree | debian 10 has one and it is VERY popular |
| 21:16.34 | cbthree | a MATE live iso that is |
| 21:22.42 | golinux | You are free to create one and offer it to the devuan community |
| 21:23.06 | golinux | So feel free to scratch your itch.! |
| 21:26.51 | ShorTie | snickers |
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