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| 07:29.56 | RhineDevil | rrq, I would like to register on devuan git and push my projects online, should I register on gitea.devuan.org? How's the migration from devuan gitlab going? |
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| 08:33.15 | rrq | yes you should register and then use the + to migrate from gitlab. All "devuan" projects have been migrated and some (most?) users have migrated their packages. |
| 08:34.26 | rrq | we hope everyone will have completed their migration by 5 July |
| 08:35.31 | rrq | the gitlab server wil be shutdown but we'll keep it as is for a while just in case someone suddenly realizes they forgot something |
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| 08:47.35 | RhineDevil | rrq, I haven't any project in gitlab, but thx |
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| 15:34.20 | parazyd | https://twitter.com/maemoleste/status/1275812354752733185 |
| 15:34.31 | parazyd | Just in case anyone's wondering what I'm up to :p |
| 15:35.10 | lifestronaut | How much support is there for OpenRC in devuan? For example - does every package that needs a service have one for openrc as well as sysvinit? |
| 15:40.08 | fsmithred | lifestronaut, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. The default setup is for openrc to use sysvinit scripts |
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| 15:41.13 | MinceR | this time it took not 6 but 9 clicks of "Try Again", and it still has a bar at the bottom saying "Your account may not be allowed to perform this action" (i'm not logged in) |
| 15:41.16 | MinceR | twatter is a ruin |
| 15:41.18 | fsmithred | check the forum for community support. There are people using openrc and writing about it. |
| 15:41.20 | brocashelm | it's amazing how versatile devuan is with init choices. so glad this distro exists. it keeps getting better and better in the 2 years i've followed it |
| 15:42.38 | MinceR | nice to see pinephone support is progressing |
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| 15:49.11 | parazyd | lifestronaut: It works with existing sysv initscripts transparently. So you can use both. |
| 15:56.06 | tedious | parazyd: So can you just do an apt-get install openrc and it just works? |
| 15:56.34 | parazyd | tedious: Yes, and after that you must reboot. apt will tell you the command after you install. |
| 15:57.04 | tedious | I'm having a problem with booting up and I thought I could fix it with openrc but now the system is trashed. |
| 15:57.31 | tedious | I can't even get it to boot single user. |
| 15:57.33 | parazyd | Well you can always fix it with init=/bin/bash |
| 15:57.59 | parazyd | Or just boot a Devuan Livecd and work from there. |
| 15:58.06 | tedious | I have no idea how to fix it tho. |
| 15:58.29 | fsmithred | what does it do? How far do you get? |
| 15:58.34 | tedious | It's a zfs root system and it hangs after bringing up the network and doesn't tell me what's wrong. |
| 15:58.36 | parazyd | Any errors you see are a good pointer :) |
| 15:58.45 | tedious | No errors. |
| 15:58.57 | tedious | It just hangs forever. |
| 15:59.04 | fsmithred | after bringing up network or during bringing up network? |
| 15:59.15 | fsmithred | and did you try ctrl-c at that point? |
| 15:59.19 | tedious | I thought maybe it was a /dev/random problem so I let it wait over night. |
| 15:59.29 | tedious | Yeah none of those things work. |
| 15:59.43 | tedious | All I can do is hit enter and make the screen scroll. |
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| 16:00.03 | tedious | ^C just shows up on the terminal. |
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| 16:02.32 | parazyd | So probably your ttys aren't spawning for some reason |
| 16:02.56 | parazyd | Boot a livecd, and check /etc/inittab, and maybe disable stuff in /etc/network |
| 16:03.40 | fsmithred | does the livecd need to have some zfs stuff installed? |
| 16:04.18 | parazyd | Surely they can apt-get it |
| 16:05.02 | fsmithred | zfsutils-linux I guess |
| 16:05.25 | fsmithred | I know it's not in the desktop-live. Would have to check minimal-live. |
| 16:05.42 | tedious | I'm using other live cds that have zfs and I can chroot into /mnt. |
| 16:06.23 | tedious | I edited all the init scripts and put set -x into them so I can see that the boot hangs in the network script. |
| 16:06.24 | fsmithred | cool |
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| 16:06.33 | fsmithred | it's not in the minimal-live |
| 16:06.46 | fsmithred | should I change that? |
| 16:06.48 | tedious | It runs ifup -a and brings up eth0 with dhcp but then it just hangs. |
| 16:07.14 | tedious | fsmithred: If you could put zfs in the live stuff and the installer it would be amazing. :) |
| 16:07.14 | fsmithred | can you ssh in? |
| 16:07.35 | tedious | No it hangs before finishing the network script so nothing else starts. |
| 16:08.21 | tedious | That's why I wanted to install openrc and was hoping that would at least let me run parallel mode and get other services running. |
| 16:13.54 | fsmithred | I don't have any other ideas. Very little experience with openrc and none with zfs. |
| 16:15.44 | parazyd | Just have a look at the inittab |
| 16:16.05 | parazyd | Maybe you're not spawning ttys |
| 16:19.13 | tedious | I didn't touch inittab so it's still stock. |
| 16:19.53 | tedious | I think there's a bug in the network scripts. |
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| 16:23.44 | fsmithred | you have 'allow-hotplug' in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:24.22 | fsmithred | if so, try changing it to 'auto' |
| 16:24.39 | fsmithred | or manual if you prefer |
| 16:28.12 | fsmithred | or take a look at this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=15493#p15493 |
| 16:28.13 | tedious | No it's just auto. |
| 16:28.49 | fsmithred | ok, so that patch won't help |
| 16:32.08 | tedious | I just don't understand why that script would hang after it brings up the interface. |
| 16:32.40 | fsmithred | are you sure it |
| 16:32.48 | fsmithred | it's not the next script not starting? |
| 16:33.16 | tedious | Nope I put "starting $0" at the top of every init script. |
| 16:33.29 | tedious | Right before set -x. |
| 16:34.19 | tedious | And it gives me the output for accepting the dhcp address on console. |
| 16:35.02 | tedious | What does ifup -a do? |
| 16:35.23 | fsmithred | starts all interfaces configured in the interfaces file, I think |
| 16:35.48 | tedious | Could it be seeing my wifi card even tho I don't have anything besides eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces.d? |
| 16:36.46 | fsmithred | no, but a network manager might try |
| 16:36.59 | fsmithred | n-m, wicd, connman... |
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| 16:43.18 | tedious | I don't think I installed any of those. |
| 16:43.30 | tedious | Does xfce install one? |
| 16:44.32 | tedious | I wonder if it's running the nfs script in /etc/network/if-up.d/. |
| 16:45.09 | fsmithred | yeah, xfce installs wicd |
| 16:47.45 | fsmithred | maybe set -x that script to see if it's getting confused reading fstab |
| 16:51.11 | tedious | I just tried to install openrc and apt wanted to remove zfs-initramfs zfsutils-linux zfs-zed and sysv-rc. |
| 16:51.32 | tedious | So I think devuan is just broken with zfs. |
| 16:52.22 | tedious | I'm going to get rid of the nsf script and see if that fixes anything. |
| 16:55.25 | tedious | ^nfs |
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| 18:02.16 | engidea | devuan 3.0 is very good: one small issue, when using KDE is that pulseaudio --start is missing in some statup script |
| 18:02.39 | engidea | once the command is given, audio works flawlessly, beautiful |
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| 18:11.29 | fsmithred | engidea, did you set PA to autospawn in the config file? |
| 18:12.07 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt |
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| 18:27.33 | engidea | Ahhhh, thanks fsmithred !!!! |
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| 18:54.24 | tedious | fsmithred: Getting rid of the nfs mount script fixed the boot problem. |
| 18:54.53 | tedious | Now it boots but it doesn't mount /root or some of the other zfs filesystems. |
| 18:55.25 | fsmithred | tedious, can you tell if any kernel modules did not get loaded? |
| 18:55.35 | fsmithred | lsmod | wc -l |
| 18:55.40 | tedious | I didn't check. |
| 18:55.42 | fsmithred | lsmod |grep snd |
| 18:55.51 | tedious | Half of the zfs filesystems do get mounted. |
| 18:56.10 | fsmithred | is fstab correct? |
| 18:56.29 | tedious | Yes because it only contains /boot. |
| 18:56.43 | fsmithred | ok, I'm lost |
| 18:56.49 | tedious | The system is supposed to do zfs mount -a when it comes up. |
| 18:57.35 | tedious | Every filesystem that has a mountpoint=/something and isn't set canmount=off or canmount=noauto is supposed to get mounted. |
| 18:58.07 | tedious | So I was right about devuan hates zfs. :) |
| 18:58.42 | tedious | Or is just broken I think is what I said. |
| 19:00.16 | fsmithred | pretty sure we don't do anything with zfs packages |
| 19:10.37 | tedious | I guess that's why I can't install openrc without it uninstalling a bunch of zfs packages. |
| 19:11.46 | tedious | If I can figure out what's causing all this mess how hard is it for you to fix it? |
| 19:12.25 | tedious | Can you push a tiny script change into beowulf-backports or do you have to go thru upstream? |
| 19:14.06 | fsmithred | we can change packages that we fork. We don't fork any zfs packages. |
| 19:15.03 | tedious | Ok I guess I'll have to either come up with my own fixes or just abandon devuan. |
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| 19:19.12 | tedious | I guess maybe I can make my own script for zfs mount -a and put it at /etc/rcS.d/S05mount_my_damn_filesystems. |
| 19:20.26 | openbsdtai123 | Hi, would you know a small fbdev desktop for retropie, that would run on FBDEV only? |
| 19:20.37 | openbsdtai123 | like amiga workbend on fbdev? |
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| 20:15.27 | tedious | fsmithred: I think I fixed the boot problem. |
| 20:16.10 | fsmithred | can you document it somewhere in case someone else has the same problem? |
| 20:16.23 | tedious | The S02zfs-mount script was missing from rcS.d and rc1.d for some reason. |
| 20:16.48 | tedious | I can't do jack until I get this system working better lol. :) |
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| 20:40.20 | RhineDevil | rrq, Just registered, however my gravatar profile doesn't get synced with devuan, is this the default behaviour? |
| 20:43.03 | RhineDevil | *devuan gitea |
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| 20:47.44 | tedious | fsmithred: Tiny update .. something writes to /root/.cache after /root gets unmounted during shutdown. |
| 20:48.18 | tedious | So zfs refuses to remount /root later because it's not empty. |
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| 20:49.07 | tedious | I'm just killing it and mounting it by hand right now but maybe I'll figure it out later and make a proper solution. |
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| 21:27.05 | RhineDevil | Where should I ask for approvation about a devuan team? |
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| 21:32.56 | tom_ | Does Beowulf support NTtables? or only IPtables? |
| 21:33.02 | tom_ | *NFtables |
| 21:37.45 | buZz | > nftables is the default and recommended firewalling framework in Debian, and it replaces the old iptables (and related) tools. |
| 21:38.27 | buZz | you can just use iptables tool though, there's a iptables-nft layer that translates it |
| 21:39.20 | tom_ | ok |
| 21:39.40 | tom_ | is there any difference for writing firewall rules for aliased interfaces? |
| 21:39.43 | buZz | https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
| 21:39.44 | golinux | RhineDevil: om |
| 21:39.51 | RhineDevil | golinux, henlo |
| 21:39.55 | tom_ | alias interfaces vs physical interfaces |
| 21:39.57 | buZz | i dont think so tom_ |
| 21:40.03 | buZz | should be the same as iptables |
| 21:40.12 | golinux | Let's do a pm |
| 21:40.18 | tom_ | do I need to specify eth0:1 or just eth0 |
| 21:40.21 | golinux | I have a channel open |
| 21:41.04 | golinux | Sorry for the typo above. |
| 21:41.09 | buZz | tom_: for eth0:1 specify eth0:1 |
| 21:41.28 | golinux | RhineDevil: Can you join me there please? |
| 21:41.35 | buZz | the traffic for eth0:1 doesnt appear on eth0, unless its in the same subnet, i -think- |
| 21:41.57 | RhineDevil | golinux, where |
| 21:45.23 | tom_ | ok thanks |
| 21:51.20 | tom_ | what replaces ip sets in nftables? |
| 21:51.51 | tom_ | say I have a set up trusted_remotes, and a list of internal cluster nodes and a list of bad guys |
| 21:51.58 | tom_ | how would I use that in the new nftables? |
| 21:54.38 | tom_ | Does IST and SST use UDP or TCP? |
| 21:55.32 | buZz | tom_: you can just keep using iptables |
| 21:55.37 | buZz | it will use nftables underwater |
| 21:56.06 | tom_ | I'm writing rules now for a new distributed database cluster so might as well upgrade now |
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