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| 00:03.52 | lusis | ceres, aarch64: libgudev-1.0-dev : Depends: libgudev-1.0-0 (= 233-1) but 1:232-2 is to be installed |
| 00:04.18 | lusis | should i email Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <pkg-gnome-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 00:05.22 | lusis | aslo can we automate testing to prevent such situations from happening before package maintainer uploads are committed to repository? |
| 00:05.33 | golinux | Search the Debian and Devuan bug reports first |
| 00:06.04 | lusis | if my client apt program can detect the conflict, SURELY the repository can detect the conflict before accepting a commit, no? |
| 00:07.01 | golinux | Bugs exist. |
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| 00:38.01 | MetaYan | I can reach devuan.org fine, but tried https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/devuan.org anyway and it reported "It's not just you! devuan.org is down." |
| 00:39.05 | MetaYan | My mind went completely blank trying to figure out what that means... |
| 00:41.50 | lusis | i can reach it |
| 00:42.22 | lusis | is the package maintainer the correct person to notify when ceres, aarch64: libgudev-1.0-dev : Depends: libgudev-1.0-0 (= 233-1) but 1:232-2 is to be installed? |
| 00:49.51 | gnarface | lusis: probably, but not necessarily for that package, maybe the one that is to be installed |
| 00:50.47 | gnarface | MetaYan: all that means is that it's just down for them and nobody else, the same state you're using them to verify for your connection (nothing is special about their connection in this regard) |
| 00:51.49 | lusis | i'm not sure if it would be helpful for me to report this situation gnarface - since it seems like it should be automatically flagged |
| 00:52.06 | lusis | i don't want to waste people's time. is it helpful to mention such broken dependencies in ceres? |
| 00:52.33 | gnarface | lusis: in testing and unstable, i wouldn't bother unless it's still there for more than a day or two (more than a week or two in the case of offerings from nvidia) |
| 00:52.46 | lusis | thank you |
| 00:52.49 | gnarface | lusis: chances are someone already knows it, and chances are that's the same person who did it |
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| 00:57.58 | MetaYan | gnarface: :) |
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| 01:22.06 | frabbit | done. i run now Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 with full disk encryption and donwgraded luks to version 1 |
| 01:22.38 | frabbit | fsmithred: thx for the advice with the rescue shell from the installer again |
| 01:23.09 | frabbit | fsmithred: but when using manual partitioning u cant choose the luks version anywhere |
| 01:23.19 | fsmithred | yeah, I saw that |
| 01:23.32 | frabbit | so after install i started the installer again and used the rescue shell |
| 01:23.43 | frabbit | and that works just fine =) |
| 01:23.45 | fsmithred | how many more of these are you planning to do? |
| 01:23.57 | frabbit | many more what? |
| 01:24.06 | fsmithred | installs like this one |
| 01:24.20 | frabbit | hmm minimal another one, why? |
| 01:24.53 | frabbit | or maybe two |
| 01:25.07 | frabbit | for the beginner systems i dont use fde |
| 01:25.22 | fsmithred | If you're planning to do several, it would make sense to make your own live iso from the current system to replicate it quickly |
| 01:25.30 | frabbit | i think thats a bit to confusing for them when they have to type in the same passphrase two times in a row |
| 01:25.39 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:25.50 | frabbit | fsmithred: hmm.. i would need to maintain that |
| 01:26.02 | frabbit | nah it was two minutes of work |
| 01:26.16 | frabbit | and hopefully luks2 will support fde in the future... |
| 01:26.52 | frabbit | but was pretty easy and nice, learned again something new =) |
| 01:28.02 | frabbit | but i already have an old problem here on beowulf |
| 01:28.38 | frabbit | ive had this beofre under ascii 2.1 and it was caused by a higher kernel version then 4.9 |
| 01:28.42 | frabbit | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/_devuan.2020-01-05.log.html#t2020-01-05T22:03:57 |
| 01:28.58 | frabbit | the xrandr command in .xinitrc isnt working |
| 01:29.18 | frabbit | its exactly the same behaviour like in january |
| 01:29.49 | frabbit | command is correct and works when i copy paste it into terminal and run it and also the other commands in .xinitrc working fine |
| 01:30.57 | frabbit | while that issue wasnt with kernel 4.14 i assume it exists from 4.19 on |
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| 06:29.37 | emdete | since yesterday my chromium crashes (i am on ceres) with a "aw, snap - something went wrong ... - error code 256" message (stacktrace written to stdout). last message is "InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process." and "After loading Root Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018". i tried to roll back chromium with no success. does someone have an idea? |
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| 06:32.45 | golinux | emdete: Don't use ceres |
| 06:33.58 | emdete | golinux: thanks for the advice. it doesnt help. any other hint? |
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| 06:37.10 | golinux | Nope. Just couldn't resist stating the obvious |
| 06:39.16 | emdete | golinux: whats obvious about it - using ceres means running in such problems & solve it. |
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| 06:47.57 | emdete | golinux: and because it's obvious its no new information anyway ;) |
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| 11:05.17 | Demosthenex | congrats on 3.0! yay! |
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| 11:34.30 | djph | yay! |
| 11:35.03 | djph | now I gotta update a lot of boxes, ugh, thanks guys :P |
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| 11:46.06 | hemimaniac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.48 | djph | hemimaniac: yeah, it'll be "OK", but it's still a process. |
| 11:58.26 | djph | although, that being said, I should be able to in-place upgrade most (all) without any serious issues. DHCP/DNS server being the scary one. |
| 12:03.53 | fsmithred | djph, be sure to read the upgrade guide |
| 12:05.17 | fsmithred | and maybe look at buster release notes, too |
| 12:06.52 | djph | fsmithred: yep, most of the boxes are just for playing around ... but I have one or two that're actually "important(tm)" |
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| 13:38.04 | divansantana | Is there an rss feed for devuan releases? |
| 13:43.38 | gnarface | there is a mailing list... |
| 13:43.46 | gnarface | dunno about rss |
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| 13:51.38 | kreyren | Heeelp~ https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/b58bd8d198dd3f7227f47127c4de69fa |
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| 13:55.42 | rabdool | hey guys, i just installed devuan 3.0 (xfce) and have been having some issues with being unable to use bluetooth. My laptop is a thinkpad x230. I have installed blueman and set it to run at startup but it has had no effect. |
| 13:56.38 | rabdool | blueman |
| 13:58.40 | kreyren | rabdool, what bluetooth is your system using? |
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| 13:58.59 | kreyren | on debian you might need non-free or contrib repository and installing the required package to get drivers~ |
| 13:59.19 | kreyren | assuming standard kernel used which should have the module compiled as module used on demand if it's in linux |
| 14:00.01 | rabdool | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a5c:21e6 Broadcom Corp. BCM20702 Bluetooth 4.0 [ThinkPad] |
| 14:00.11 | rabdool | its broadcom |
| 14:01.45 | kreyren | rabdool, give me output from `sudo dmesg | grep -i blue | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` it will generate the log from dmesg and sends that on paste service |
| 14:01.55 | kreyren | (install curl if not present already) |
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| 14:03.17 | kreyren | where dmegs is just dumping kernel logs |
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| 14:04.22 | kreyren | Also might be relevant seems to mension your driver https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware |
| 14:04.38 | rabdool | http://ix.io/2pWG |
| 14:05.04 | kreyren | > bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd failed with error -2 |
| 14:05.13 | kreyren | Try different USB port |
| 14:05.23 | kreyren | and are you sure that the bluetooth reciever is working? |
| 14:05.32 | rabdool | not a usb bluetooth adapter |
| 14:05.51 | kreyren | what is it then? from quick search it seems to be bluetooth adapter |
| 14:06.01 | kreyren | pluggable in USB |
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| 14:06.05 | rabdool | yes, i booted up a manjaro live and bluetooth was fine |
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| 14:06.43 | rabdool | its a built in bluetooth adapter on my laptop. Im fairly sure most laptops use usb based bluetooth adapters |
| 14:07.15 | kreyren | You seem to need `brcm/BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd` in /lib/firmware/` based on info from https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware, might be also worth reporting this as a bug in case devuan can provide this by default |
| 14:07.49 | gnarface | it's probably already packged |
| 14:07.52 | kreyren | but someone else might clarify because i am not 100% sure~ |
| 14:07.59 | gnarface | there's a broadcom firmware packge in non-free, try installing it |
| 14:08.29 | kreyren | fsmithred, for example :p |
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| 14:08.45 | rabdool | sorry abt that firefox rebooted |
| 14:09.20 | kreyren | rabdool, np i sent you log of last 12 msg in case you missed any |
| 14:10.17 | rabdool | (y) |
| 14:11.19 | kreyren | rabdool, also note https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ in case you are having issues finding that non-free package |
| 14:11.55 | rabdool | thank you, i will install the driver and get back to you |
| 14:12.05 | kreyren | your release is output from `lsb_release -cs` (iirc) in case you are not sure :p |
| 14:12.58 | kreyren | (grabbed from `tldr lsb_release`) |
| 14:14.44 | kreyren | fwiw from https://pkgs.org/search/?q=BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e6.hcd it seems that debian/devuan doesn't have this packaged |
| 14:15.42 | kreyren | referencing https://bugs.devuan.org/ for bug reports in case it's needed~ |
| 14:15.56 | kreyren | goes back to game hunting https://gist.github.com/Kreyren/b58bd8d198dd3f7227f47127c4de69fa |
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| 14:19.31 | rabdool | thanks for all your help guys, its now working with the driver from github! |
| 14:19.43 | rabdool | ill be sure to ake a bug report on this |
| 14:20.08 | kreyren | rabdool, ping me with the bug report i might poke it :p |
| 14:20.19 | rabdool | alright |
| 14:28.19 | divansantana | gnarface: Ya. I suppose I can do half my release watches via mailing lists and half via feeds. Would be nice to have them both in one place. |
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| 15:26.16 | JTechno | hello friends |
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| 15:26.56 | JTechno | can I have testing in sources.list, I used to have it but now I'm getting problems |
| 15:27.07 | JTechno | with packages not updating |
| 15:28.25 | gnarface | it used to be beowulf and recently changed to chimera, highlighting why you shouldn't use the word testing |
| 15:29.04 | fsmithred | testing is not necessarily testing |
| 15:29.22 | fsmithred | we are no in sync with debian |
| 15:29.25 | fsmithred | no/not |
| 15:29.52 | JTechno | so do I need to change it every time there is a new testing version? |
| 15:30.09 | JTechno | or which is the proper way to always be in testing? |
| 15:30.48 | gnarface | go by names and change it every time, that's what debian advises too |
| 15:31.19 | JTechno | ok, thank you very much |
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| 19:22.44 | rwp | I want to upgrade a friend's Debian Jessie 8 system not running systemd to Devuan Beowulf stable. |
| 19:23.20 | rwp | Is it sufficient to change sources.list to ascii to upgrade to there? And then continue on to beowulf? |
| 19:23.24 | fsmithred | rwp, I think you can follow the directions for stretch to beowulf |
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| 19:23.36 | rwp | And I am aware of many other practices that are necessary for clean upgrades too. |
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| 19:24.03 | fsmithred | catch chillfan when he's around and he can tell you how hard it was to go directly from jessie to beowulf |
| 19:24.11 | fsmithred | without going trough ascii or stretch |
| 19:24.28 | rwp | I am fine with stepping through each major release point. |
| 19:24.30 | fsmithred | he didn't write up the directions, but he said he did it |
| 19:24.43 | rwp | Reading this now: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/stretch-to-beowulf |
| 19:24.49 | fsmithred | ok. I'm not. I hate waiting for all the downloading, unpacking and configuring. |
| 19:25.24 | fsmithred | if it's decorated in red, you're on the right page. |
| 19:25.44 | fsmithred | yeah, that's it |
| 19:25.57 | rwp | There is a lot of Devuan documentation that is written to help people avoid the Debian systemd infestation. |
| 19:26.18 | fsmithred | lol, that's the whole point of devuan |
| 19:26.19 | rwp | But I already avoid systemd on Debian so much of that for my particular case is stuff I can ignore. |
| 19:26.27 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 19:26.43 | rwp | Right. Up through Stretch it was mostly easily possible to avoid systemd. |
| 19:26.44 | fsmithred | are you aware that elogind is now in debian? |
| 19:26.50 | rwp | But in Buster it is a problem. |
| 19:27.00 | rwp | Yes on elogind. But it isn't available in Buster. |
| 19:27.05 | fsmithred | no??? |
| 19:27.08 | fsmithred | wtf? |
| 19:27.41 | rwp | And also the process of trying to get to where elogind is running is a little interesting. It looks like you need to edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status file temporarily to help it get installed. |
| 19:28.15 | rwp | I am not precisely clear on the details here so don't quote me. When I started to read much of that I just said, no, and stopped doing things with it. |
| 19:28.39 | fsmithred | yeah, I would use that same approach (retreat) |
| 19:28.55 | rwp | But Debian Bullseye 10 seems like it might have much of the problems worked through and be better again. |
| 19:29.51 | rwp | My view is that just a few days before Buster release the systemd fanbois pushed through a few breaking changes that should never have been pushed through. |
| 19:29.59 | fsmithred | maybe. I was able to do a netinstall of chimaera and make a live-cd out of it, and I was also able to upgrade an xfce system to chimaera. Both work better than I expected. |
| 19:30.07 | rwp | And so Buster creates an obstacle that breaks the timeline. |
| 19:30.36 | fsmithred | would not surprise me. |
| 19:31.43 | rwp | The situation all of the vitriol and caustic environment has created is that a lot of people "out in the field using Debian" just stopped participating in the community. |
| 19:31.57 | rwp | Stopped upgrading too. And that's bad for different reasons. |
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| 20:09.25 | fsmithred | rwp, I still have one box on wheezy. |
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| 20:18.26 | rwp | fsmithred, I have VMs intentionally on different releases as part of a test matrix. Which includes Wheezy. |
| 20:18.54 | rwp | And I just got handed a request to make some old in-house CAD software last compiled in 2006 run on something post Jessie. |
| 20:19.25 | fsmithred | you have the source code, I hope |
| 20:19.35 | rwp | So... To rebuild it the way it was last built in 2006 I just installed a pristine Sarge installation. |
| 20:19.44 | fsmithred | lol |
| 20:19.48 | rwp | Yes. Have full source to it. It was a project I worked on back in the day. |
| 20:20.34 | rwp | A couple of the folks from the lab use it to teach an electronics class at the local high school. |
| 20:20.53 | rwp | No one wants to pay licensing fees for current commercial tools from today. $$$! |
| 20:21.29 | rwp | But strangely Ohm's law hasn't changed in the last couple of years and so our old in-house tools are still good for teaching high school classes. |
| 20:23.49 | fsmithred | old books will still work for that, too |
| 20:24.55 | rwp | I like paper books. Don't get me started about the online only temporary licensing for new textbooks! |
| 20:25.21 | fsmithred | I won't. We should avoid drifting off topic here. |
| 20:25.41 | rwp | I think after reading some that for Jessie upgrades I should take it to Debian Stretch and then follow the Devuan release notes for Stretch to Beowulf upgrades. |
| 20:26.41 | fsmithred | I'm gonna go outside while it's still light. |
| 20:26.50 | fsmithred | how hard it is depends on what's installed |
| 20:27.12 | fsmithred | desktop and policykit/logind stuff can be tricky in some cases |
| 20:27.18 | rwp | For my friend it is an XFCE desktop and I am not sure what stuff he has installed otherwise. Probably a lot of cruft. |
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| 20:27.44 | rwp | Enjoy your evening! |
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