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| 01:52.57 | frabbit | what luks version comes with beowulf? |
| 01:53.07 | frabbit | 1 or 2 |
| 01:53.24 | fsmithred | 2 |
| 01:53.32 | frabbit | fsmithred: thank u =) |
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| 02:14.47 | frabbit | how to acces initramfs? |
| 02:14.52 | frabbit | *access |
| 02:15.28 | frabbit | i can only find problems people have with unwanted boot into it or something... |
| 02:15.42 | frabbit | rescue mode it cant be |
| 02:16.42 | fsmithred | what? |
| 02:16.58 | fsmithred | access how? |
| 02:17.35 | frabbit | i mean taht (initramfs) prompt or whatever (i never used that thing) |
| 02:17.50 | frabbit | i need to downgrade luks |
| 02:17.51 | fsmithred | is that where you are? |
| 02:17.55 | frabbit | no |
| 02:17.59 | fsmithred | did you do full-disk encryption? |
| 02:18.04 | frabbit | but i wanna go there ^_^ |
| 02:18.34 | frabbit | yeah i will install beowulf now and make fde again like i did on ascii |
| 02:18.35 | fsmithred | if /boot is part of the encrypted volume, you must use type 1 for the root partition |
| 02:18.50 | frabbit | err... what? |
| 02:19.03 | frabbit | type 1? |
| 02:19.28 | frabbit | and yes boot wil be part of the root partition |
| 02:19.33 | frabbit | *will |
| 02:19.37 | fsmithred | grub can't deal with luks type 2 |
| 02:19.43 | frabbit | yes i know |
| 02:19.55 | frabbit | thats why i want to downgrade |
| 02:20.09 | frabbit | and i need to do that in or on (initramfs) |
| 02:20.19 | frabbit | https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html#downgrading-luks2-to-luks1 |
| 02:20.27 | fsmithred | cryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 <device> |
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| 02:21.12 | frabbit | [...] so youâll need reboot into a live CD or an initramfs shell[..] |
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| 02:22.03 | frabbit | fsmithred: yes i need to run that command |
| 02:22.09 | frabbit | from intramfs |
| 02:22.16 | frabbit | else it will fail |
| 02:22.25 | fsmithred | I would do it from a live-usb |
| 02:22.33 | frabbit | why? |
| 02:22.44 | fsmithred | easier |
| 02:22.59 | fsmithred | initramfs shell is pretty limited |
| 02:23.23 | fsmithred | also, I don't know how to get there except by having problems |
| 02:23.31 | frabbit | live usb contains packages that arent up to date maybe, also it seems easy on initramfs |
| 02:23.39 | frabbit | o_0 |
| 02:23.56 | frabbit | why theres no information how to get there? |
| 02:23.56 | fsmithred | how do you access the initramfs shell? |
| 02:24.00 | frabbit | .. |
| 02:24.14 | frabbit | that was my first question! D= |
| 02:24.19 | fsmithred | I know |
| 02:24.31 | frabbit | so why do u ask me? |
| 02:24.43 | fsmithred | I can't think of any time anyone has gotten there because they wanted to be there |
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| 02:24.58 | frabbit | thats.. weird... |
| 02:25.58 | frabbit | there must be a way... |
| 02:29.35 | fsmithred | devuan live-isos are three weeks old, refracta isos are a couple days old |
| 02:29.55 | fsmithred | if you have a netinstall iso you can boot that to rescue mode |
| 02:30.00 | fsmithred | or any of the installer isos |
| 02:30.26 | doubledutch | What are you having an issue booting? |
| 02:30.41 | doubledutch | Have you tried Super Grub Disk 2 ? ;D |
| 02:30.49 | fsmithred | anything other than the luks volume he wants to change |
| 02:30.53 | frabbit | yeah but there where updates, also for some ssl stuf i think (not sure, i forgot) so i wouldnt use live sticks for network stuff like installing packages |
| 02:31.14 | fsmithred | chroot if you want to install into the system |
| 02:31.26 | frabbit | thats not https i think |
| 02:32.08 | doubledutch | From what little I've heard - the nuke-it-from-space first take success option may be to get persistent USB distro... |
| 02:32.09 | fsmithred | you just need the right version of cryptsetup, and it's already installed |
| 02:32.16 | doubledutch | so you're running the OS from USB just looking at your system |
| 02:32.23 | doubledutch | Oh I see about packaging carry on |
| 02:32.40 | doubledutch | I got kicked from the internet because I idled too long at another place ":( |
| 02:32.56 | fsmithred | apt-transport-https is not installed in the live isos, so you'd have to get that over http |
| 02:32.59 | frabbit | fsmithred: man... sure i can just use asci 2.1 live stick |
| 02:33.19 | fsmithred | isn't that an older version of cryptsetup? |
| 02:33.47 | frabbit | i always have the newest version of apt-transport-https openssl and ca-certificates in my local repo |
| 02:33.48 | fsmithred | well,that shouldn't matter if you chroot |
| 02:34.12 | frabbit | i have still ascii 2.1 here and there is luks 1 |
| 02:34.35 | frabbit | and im sure i didnt downgrade that |
| 02:34.51 | frabbit | (i would remember that procedere) |
| 02:34.56 | fsmithred | yeah, I would not operate on the beowufl with that |
| 02:35.12 | frabbit | operate with what? |
| 02:35.21 | fsmithred | with ascii cyptsetup |
| 02:35.33 | frabbit | huh? but i need that |
| 02:35.36 | fsmithred | it probably can't even do it |
| 02:35.49 | fsmithred | how can the old cryptsetup handle the new format? |
| 02:36.37 | frabbit | wait |
| 02:36.41 | frabbit | i dont understand that |
| 02:36.57 | frabbit | in beowulf theres luks 2 u said right? |
| 02:37.13 | frabbit | but for grub + fde i need version 1 |
| 02:37.22 | frabbit | in ascii is version 1 |
| 02:37.30 | fsmithred | yeah, and you said you used luks2 format in your system and you want to downgrade it |
| 02:37.42 | fsmithred | no, you don't need the old version |
| 02:37.49 | fsmithred | you need to use the old format |
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| 02:37.56 | fsmithred | I gave you the command |
| 02:38.24 | frabbit | i didnt used anything since now, cause i want to do the install of beowulf soon, didnt do it already cause i need to figure this luks issue out first |
| 02:38.35 | fsmithred | oh |
| 02:39.09 | fsmithred | if you want xfce, just install from the desktop-live and put everything in one partition. |
| 02:39.18 | frabbit | nah the cryptsetup webpage gave me that command ;) and they say that this will fail when running it in an open luks container |
| 02:39.23 | fsmithred | then you don't have to screw with those instructions |
| 02:39.35 | frabbit | what? hell no i dont want xfce |
| 02:39.43 | fsmithred | lol, ok |
| 02:39.46 | frabbit | i didnt use any de for years |
| 02:39.49 | frabbit | =D |
| 02:40.10 | frabbit | (except configure that thing for others) |
| 02:40.14 | fsmithred | anyway, the live installer knows how to do full-disk encryptiong |
| 02:40.32 | fsmithred | but you'd need to make your own live-iso that has what you want |
| 02:40.44 | frabbit | nah i will use the desktop iso and the fde libreboot offers |
| 02:40.50 | fsmithred | by the time you do that, you could already have what you want |
| 02:41.14 | frabbit | i never install over network |
| 02:42.14 | frabbit | fsmithred: but u confused me now, u said that luks 1 maybe wont work |
| 02:42.27 | fsmithred | no I did not say that |
| 02:42.43 | frabbit | so why libreboot and cryptsetup write that u need to downgrade when using fde? |
| 02:42.44 | fsmithred | for full-disk encryption, you must use luks type 1 format |
| 02:42.51 | frabbit | yes |
| 02:43.08 | fsmithred | I guess they assume that you will create a luks type2 when you do the initial install |
| 02:43.26 | fsmithred | does the debian installer not let you select the luks format type? |
| 02:43.33 | frabbit | yes and i will when using luks via beowulf installer? |
| 02:43.40 | frabbit | i dont know |
| 02:44.06 | frabbit | ive never looked for something like that before |
| 02:44.13 | fsmithred | you going to be installing a system like this more than once? |
| 02:44.20 | frabbit | yes |
| 02:44.31 | fsmithred | make your own live iso |
| 02:44.37 | frabbit | but i just used the default luks that is offered by the installer |
| 02:44.51 | frabbit | *settings |
| 02:45.05 | fsmithred | ok, then you get to convert it afterward |
| 02:45.09 | fsmithred | every fucking time |
| 02:45.17 | fsmithred | install what you want in a VM |
| 02:45.25 | frabbit | lol |
| 02:45.27 | fsmithred | install refractasnapshot and refractainstaller |
| 02:45.31 | frabbit | vm on what monster pc? |
| 02:45.38 | fsmithred | run refractasnaptshot |
| 02:45.48 | fsmithred | put the iso on a usb stick |
| 02:46.15 | fsmithred | run refractainstaller to install it to hard drive (all into one encrypted partition) |
| 02:46.20 | fsmithred | reboot |
| 02:46.22 | fsmithred | done |
| 02:46.34 | frabbit | o_0 man all that is a mess, i can just do the downgrade on the initramfs (if i would know how to access that thing...) |
| 02:46.44 | fsmithred | lol |
| 02:46.53 | frabbit | https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html#downgrading-luks2-to-luks1 |
| 02:47.02 | frabbit | 6 commands! |
| 02:47.18 | onefang | Do you mean "access the initramfs shell at boot time", or "change stuff an the initramfs file system"? |
| 02:47.32 | fsmithred | access the shell to use it |
| 02:47.46 | fsmithred | to change the luks header |
| 02:47.46 | frabbit | onefang: boottime probably, cause the encrypted disk should not be open |
| 02:48.20 | fsmithred | just use the rescue shell from the installer |
| 02:48.29 | frabbit | ... |
| 02:48.40 | frabbit | and there i get an initramfs shell? |
| 02:48.41 | fsmithred | a beowulf installer |
| 02:49.06 | fsmithred | ash or dash, but you can get bash if you want |
| 02:49.13 | frabbit | why didnt u tell me that before?! |
| 02:49.21 | fsmithred | I did tell you |
| 02:49.33 | frabbit | 35 minutes for the answer? |
| 02:49.39 | frabbit | no |
| 02:50.11 | frabbit | u said i should use a live stick, or make bootstrap, or create my own refractar foobar and so on.... |
| 02:50.32 | fsmithred | <fsmithred> if you have a netinstall iso you can boot that to rescue mode |
| 02:50.33 | fsmithred | <fsmithred> or any of the installer isos |
| 02:50.34 | frabbit | thx anyway... i will try that now |
| 02:50.41 | fsmithred | twenty minutes ago |
| 02:50.49 | frabbit | x) |
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| 02:52.06 | frabbit | if i use the offline iso, it will downgrade it luks using the pool inside the iso correct? |
| 02:52.21 | frabbit | -it |
| 02:53.01 | fsmithred | yeah, use a beowulf iso |
| 02:53.11 | frabbit | ok thank u! =) |
| 02:53.41 | frabbit | baby will be born soon hopefully x) |
| 02:53.48 | fsmithred | if you're connected to the internet, it might pull stuff in |
| 02:53.50 | frabbit | healthy baby of course |
| 02:53.56 | fsmithred | congrats! |
| 02:54.18 | frabbit | =D |
| 02:54.39 | frabbit | ok will install now beowulf and try that downgrade from iso |
| 02:54.41 | frabbit | oh wait! |
| 02:55.00 | frabbit | can i already downgrade it rigth after installing grub? |
| 02:55.05 | frabbit | *right |
| 02:55.07 | fsmithred | set up the encryption manually and you can probably select the format |
| 02:55.20 | frabbit | fsmithred: yeah i will first look for that |
| 02:55.26 | frabbit | but if not |
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| 03:19.19 | golinux | Jessie Smith's Beowulf review: https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20200622#devuan |
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| 03:57.10 | yeti | will I regret looking at it? |
| 04:01.31 | beany | I've gone by the name yeti before and never seen anyone else do so so this is surrela |
| 04:01.33 | beany | surreal* |
| 04:02.12 | hemimaniac | well he wears it well, cuter and fluffier |
| 04:04.01 | yeti | is named yeti since the mid 70s in RL long before I entered the nets |
| 04:04.34 | yeti | some in RL dont even know my legal name |
| 04:04.54 | yeti | so meanwhile it isnt just a nick any more |
| 04:07.56 | beany | nice |
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| 08:32.21 | systemdlete | someone should update the description of devuan on distrowatch -- it does not mention beowulf |
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| 12:29.00 | kreyren | How do i fix this on devuan? http://ix.io/2pRK |
| 12:30.03 | gnarface | use paste.debian.net and i'll look at it |
| 12:30.45 | kreyren | mean~ |
| 12:31.03 | kreyren | https://paste.debian.net/1153312/ |
| 12:32.07 | kreyren | gnarface, ^ |
| 12:33.06 | gnarface | kreyren: basic version mismatch, this is on beowulf? |
| 12:33.13 | kreyren | gnarface, chimaera |
| 12:33.18 | gnarface | kreyren: i think version mismatch, maybe missing package |
| 12:33.44 | gnarface | kreyren: is that the steam version, you're trying to launch without steam? |
| 12:33.56 | kreyren | https://paste.debian.net/1153314/ installed versions |
| 12:34.05 | kreyren | gnarface, nah it's standalone |
| 12:34.07 | kreyren | DRM free |
| 12:34.46 | gnarface | well steam has some drm free stuff, that still expects certain libs which you'd need to install on your system if you weren't using bundled steam ones... |
| 12:35.03 | gnarface | i was just checking to make sure this isn't a case like that |
| 12:35.15 | kreyren | could be this is a torrent version |
| 12:35.31 | kreyren | (i own the game but can't be bothered to use steam) |
| 12:35.33 | gnarface | also, steam needs the 32-bit versions of a bunch of things too |
| 12:35.38 | gnarface | (as do many of the games on there) |
| 12:36.01 | kreyren | O.o |
| 12:36.07 | gnarface | yea |
| 12:36.14 | kreyren | So what do you recommend? |
| 12:36.23 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 12:36.27 | gnarface | it works for me on ceres |
| 12:36.39 | kreyren | ah wait i think the shell script from upstream is wrong |
| 12:36.41 | kreyren | sec |
| 12:37.04 | gnarface | great game too |
| 12:37.29 | kreyren | no the worst that final boss is going to make me break something |
| 12:38.46 | gnarface | so, the real trick is learning to maximize your room hit counts with beam weaponry, but that's offtopic |
| 12:40.38 | kreyren | SPOILERS |
| 12:40.44 | gnarface | heh |
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| 12:42.53 | kreyren | nah the script is working.. by miracle but works |
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| 12:47.09 | kreyren | going to use winehq version then -.- |
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| 17:16.16 | search_social | Hello, I am using vttys and when the os wants to print something to console it prints it to whichever vtty I have open. I would like for it to print only to vtty1. I don't see a way to do this is rsyslog.conf and other resources I find on this are for systemd. |
| 17:23.27 | phogg | search_social: what does your config look like? I don't do this but I believe you should just have to specify the tty, e.g. /dev/tty1 |
| 17:24.51 | search_social | phogg: rsyslog.conf? It's the default from devuan beowulf 3.0.0 fresh install, it doesn't seem to have anything about dev or tty or console in it |
| 17:32.42 | phogg | search_social: are you talking about .emerg messages? |
| 17:33.16 | search_social | it claims those are sent to all logged in uesrs but i have a root terminal on vtty3 which doesn't receive them when i'm switched to root on vtty2 |
| 17:34.46 | phogg | search_social: I'm not sure, but if I were you I'd try changing the location on that one to a tty device and just see what happens. |
| 17:38.40 | search_social | okay i changed that to send it only to a user and restarted rsyslogd but it still sent it to the root terminal i had active and nothing else |
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| 17:49.12 | search_social | okay "setlogcons 1" on the shell appears to do what i want |
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| 19:04.47 | armin | devuan.org down? www.devuan.org works. |
| 19:05.07 | armin | ah now devuan.org is working again, nevermind. |
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| 19:08.19 | Atari-Frosch | armin: If you are not sure â ask this website: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ :-) |
| 19:09.34 | armin | Devuan.org Status |
| 19:09.34 | armin | Is devuan.org down right now? |
| 19:09.34 | armin | It's not just you! devuan.org is down. |
| 19:09.42 | armin | Atari-Frosch: hah! :D |
| 19:10.22 | fsmithred | OK, so it's you and at least one other person, but not me: https://devuan.org/ |
| 19:10.23 | armin | Atari-Frosch: also hi, i remember talking to you 6 or 7 years ago at RZL about debian. |
| 19:10.43 | Atari-Frosch | armin: possible. I have a poor memory for people. |
| 19:10.48 | armin | yeah it worked here several times and several times didn't. |
| 19:12.49 | armin | ok not able to reproduce anymore, downforeveryoneorjustme properly shows green all the time now. weird. |
| 19:13.16 | Atari-Frosch | In German we say: Blinkeranbindung. ;-) |
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| 19:23.32 | divansantana | anyone else have pulseaudio issues on devuan beowulf? |
| 19:24.39 | divansantana | Seems pulseaudio always gives me trouble on one system or another. Here in beowulf upgrade in kde desktop opening chrome playing audio doesn't work. pavucontrol shows "connecting". It seems like doing a pulseaudio --start on user login would help. |
| 19:24.57 | divansantana | Suppose I could do that with some kde autostart thing. |
| 19:29.21 | golinux | divansantana: Have you read the release notes? Seems like very few do . . . |
| 19:29.23 | golinux | http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt |
| 19:30.13 | divansantana | crap. |
| 19:30.36 | divansantana | I did up to the point of upgrade te beowulf. I even briefly saw that pulseaudio bit, but completely forgot about it. |
| 19:30.39 | divansantana | let me check, sorry. |
| 19:31.44 | golinux | I apologize for the attitude if it's something else . . . |
| 19:34.09 | divansantana | golinux:no worry at all. Completely understand. Problem sorted. I should have thought to check that. |
| 19:35.10 | golinux | Well, you have plenty of company . . . LOL! Enjoy your new beowulf! |
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| 19:45.41 | divansantana | golinux: So happy beowulf is out. Glad for this important project. Wife's desktop done. I still need to upgrade my server, but that has lvm cache and ssds. Should go ok though. |
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