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| 04:38.45 | Wafficus | Its failing on nvidia-persistenced now |
| 04:39.04 | Wafficus | https://termbin.com/gyqo |
| 04:39.14 | Wafficus | is this because of Devuan's lack of systemd? |
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| 04:47.20 | hemimaniac | Wafficus: you can remove just the nvidia-persistenced and apptitude will merrily carry on |
| 04:49.00 | Wafficus | that's the thing though, if I try to install nvidia-driver |
| 04:49.08 | Wafficus | it says that error |
| 04:49.20 | Wafficus | *states |
| 04:49.26 | Wafficus | hemimaniac: |
| 04:50.16 | hemimaniac | yes it will error, but nvidia is installed, after rebooting, just remove nvidia-persistenced in synaptic and all is well |
| 04:50.38 | Wafficus | ok I'll try rebooting |
| 04:50.48 | Wafficus | I just removed nvidia-persistenced |
| 04:50.50 | Wafficus | and will reboot |
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| 06:32.51 | brocashelm | has anyone had issues trying to extend their monitors with devuan beowulf? no matter how hard i look into the configs, i just can't seem to get this to work. xrandr complains about failing to get size of gamma. i'm using radeon rx 460 and this was not an issue for other xfce distros |
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| 06:51.45 | gnarface | brocashelm: too many things can be possibly wrong, i haven't seen a problem with it here so chances are you're missing a package or a permission setting |
| 06:52.16 | gnarface | brocashelm: with that card, it could be related to driver auto-detection |
| 06:52.27 | gnarface | brocashelm: (limitations of the auto-detected driver) |
| 06:55.14 | gnarface | brocashelm: (note that card does need some non-free stuff, which isn't necessarily included by default, to enable hardware acceleration/3d/compositing) |
| 06:56.37 | gnarface | find the xorg log |
| 07:11.20 | brocashelm | gnarface: ok, got this portion from my log just now. https://pastebin.com/GgxwYscA |
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| 08:04.09 | renzo | gremlin58 |
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| 08:44.41 | brocashelm | still having trouble trying to get the system to recognize my radeon gpu. more details: https://pastebin.com/0Pw9QLPQ |
| 08:50.59 | zatumil | what is your gpu model number and kernel version? |
| 08:53.53 | brocashelm | zatumil: https://pastebin.com/uSHDjeDB |
| 09:02.41 | zatumil | maybe you need something non free https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 09:13.24 | devuan | hello guys, does any one knows how to show in desktop folders and trashbin? |
| 09:13.29 | devuan | in lxd3? |
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| 09:21.35 | zatumil | I dont know maybe #lxde |
| 09:32.53 | fsmithred | devuan, maybe gvfs is missing? |
| 09:33.25 | devuan | fsmithred, thanks in advance fopr that tip :) |
| 09:33.28 | devuan | maybe indeed |
| 09:33.33 | devuan | :) |
| 09:34.45 | fsmithred | how did you install lxde? Did you install the lxde package, or did you install individual parts? |
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| 09:41.29 | devuan | fsmithred, indeed that solved the problem :) |
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| 09:47.11 | gnarface | brocashelm: sorry, i missed the log paste, you should use paste.debian.net... but was it like i suspected, it's loading the modesetting driver or some framebuffer/svga thing? |
| 09:50.47 | gnarface | brocashelm: you probably are missing the amdgpu package, is my guess (perhaps some other stuff too) |
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| 13:09.16 | lunario | hi there |
| 13:13.08 | gnarface | hi lunario, just ask your question |
| 13:13.31 | lunario | i don't have any, just saying hello & idling in the chan :) |
| 13:14.07 | gnarface | oh, ok |
| 13:14.16 | gnarface | just making sure |
| 13:15.19 | lunario | oh, except maybe that my problem of random ~/Desktop folder creation still persists (i asked about this here about 17 hours ago and was suggested some advice, but none helped) |
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| 13:19.05 | gnarface | they aren't getting created? |
| 13:19.55 | gnarface | or, you're trying to stop it from getting created? |
| 13:20.11 | lunario | it is getting created and i don't want it to |
| 13:20.13 | gnarface | if you're trying to stop it from getting created, first you gotta figure out what is creating them |
| 13:20.19 | gnarface | often the window manager |
| 13:20.24 | gnarface | but it could be a lot of things |
| 13:20.44 | gnarface | i'm using enlightenment, and it makes one for each display |
| 13:20.50 | gnarface | not really much that can be done about it afaik |
| 13:20.54 | lunario | my xdg user dirs: https://termbin.com/6mj0 |
| 13:20.56 | lunario | .conf file: https://termbin.com/zuc1 |
| 13:21.07 | lunario | i am using dwm and i highly doubt it's responsible for this |
| 13:21.16 | gnarface | no graphical login? |
| 13:21.21 | lunario | no |
| 13:21.50 | gnarface | it's gotta be something |
| 13:22.17 | gnarface | Wine might even create those directories, i'm not sure |
| 13:22.27 | lunario | i don't have wine installed |
| 13:23.05 | lunario | ahhh! i think i just found it... it's my browser (palemoon) |
| 13:23.07 | lunario | although i have set the download folder to ~/ afaik |
| 13:24.33 | lunario | yeah, it is set to ~/... but then i will ask the palemoon people for more help on this |
| 13:27.21 | gnarface | mabye it needs it for drag&drop support? i'm not familiar with dwm |
| 13:27.28 | gnarface | can you drag links to the desktop ? |
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| 13:29.32 | lunario | as i said, it's because of palemoon for sure. when i close palemoon, delete ~/Desktop and then relaunch palemoon, the folder is immediately created again |
| 13:30.06 | lunario | also no, drag&drop doesn't work on my system afaik (and i would never use it anyways) |
| 13:30.38 | gnarface | well i'm trying to imagine reasons it would do that and i'm not coming up with a lot |
| 13:31.02 | gnarface | in enlightenment, those directories hold .desktop files; desktop shortcuts |
| 13:31.44 | gnarface | does it actually populate the directory? |
| 13:31.48 | gnarface | or just make it and leave it empty? |
| 13:32.03 | fsmithred | lunario, try 'rm /etc/xdg/autostart/xdg-user-dirs.desktop' |
| 13:32.37 | lunario | no, it has no content. i could just keep the directory of course but it just bothers me when i see it in ranger all the time, when there are only 3 other folders in ~/. i like to have it tidied up as much as possible |
| 13:33.20 | lunario | fsmithred: didnt help |
| 13:33.48 | fsmithred | have you tried uninstalling any xdg stuff? |
| 13:35.09 | lunario | no. are they non-essential? |
| 13:35.35 | fsmithred | xdg-user-dirs 0.17-2 amd64 tool to manage well known user directories |
| 13:35.35 | lunario | the installed xdg packages would be xdg-user-dirs and xdg-utils on my system |
| 13:35.53 | lunario | i will remove xdg-user-dirs first |
| 13:37.04 | fsmithred | You have to shoot or stab it in the brain. |
| 13:38.49 | lunario | puring xdg-user-dirs didn't help (unless i need to restart?). purging xdg-utils means a lot of important packages are going to be removed (https://termbin.com/l94u), so i am not going to do that |
| 13:38.55 | lunario | *purging |
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| 15:14.41 | bean | would someone help me with this? this showed up in .xsession-errors https://defuse.ca/b/TvV7FEgj51pNz4AsE55Izb |
| 15:15.17 | bean | (using beowulf) |
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| 15:15.46 | gnarface | if you use paste.debian.net, i'll look at least |
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| 15:23.50 | bean | sure http://paste.debian.net/1153185/ |
| 15:25.25 | gnarface | have there been any problems? |
| 15:26.29 | gnarface | i think this error might be a normal network timeout |
| 15:26.46 | gnarface | like from some remote desktop client trying to connect? |
| 15:27.24 | buZz | Fatal IO error 0 (Success) <- sounds nice :D |
| 15:27.53 | gnarface | bean: had you just closed a xrdp or vnc connection? |
| 15:34.29 | gnarface | bean: if you're not experiencing any other unexpected behavior, i think this error may be normal |
| 15:51.09 | bean | the error coincided with the display glitching out and displaying very distorted windows. I tried to take a screenshot but they looked normal in the screenshot |
| 15:51.40 | bean | I installed firmware-amd-graphics and then when I rebooted and launched a caja window, this happened |
| 15:51.54 | gnarface | that sounds like a compositor issue |
| 15:52.07 | gnarface | when it doesn't show up in a screenshot that usually means it's a compositor issue |
| 15:52.13 | bean | I looked it up myself and about all I found so far is that it might be an issue with libxcb |
| 15:53.05 | gnarface | this is on beowulf? |
| 15:53.16 | bean | yes. |
| 15:53.43 | gnarface | you might want to try the beowulf-backports versions of some of this stuff to see if it fixes anything |
| 15:53.49 | gnarface | namely the kernel, mesa, and that firmware package |
| 15:53.58 | bean | ah, of those? |
| 15:54.38 | bean | thanks, I'll give it a shot I guess, I mean I'm not sure if the mesa stuff will pull in a bunch of other stuff or something but... |
| 15:55.00 | gnarface | it would be better if you talked to someone who also had a amdgpu card |
| 15:55.12 | gnarface | to know exactly which packages |
| 15:57.55 | gnarface | i think the struggle is usually about making sure you actually got all the matching mesa packages |
| 15:58.37 | gnarface | and the kernel, mesa, and that firmware package usually are closely matched in a set, so you can't really just upgrade one or the other ane expect it to work right |
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| 16:38.47 | openbsdtai123 | hi |
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| 16:46.34 | Wafficus | Hi there, I'm trying to figure out how to get HDMI sound working but can't figure out how to get it working on alsa-mixer. I think I setup the default sound card as my usb audio interface on this machine, but I'm trying to just switch it over to the Nvidia HDMI sound to the TV |
| 16:47.00 | Wafficus | I am able to see the Nvidia HDMI sound device in alsamixer, but I can't control it, and its listed as "SPDIF", which I"m not sure what that means |
| 16:48.44 | gnarface | Wafficus: you can't toggle those switches on? |
| 16:48.58 | Wafficus | no, that's the weird thing |
| 16:49.11 | Wafficus | I just see "MM" listed for each of the channels for the SPDIF's present |
| 16:49.18 | gnarface | Wafficus: you should just have to toggle those switches on and then select the hdmi alsa device with your program |
| 16:49.28 | gnarface | Wafficus: how are you trying to toggle it on? |
| 16:49.31 | Wafficus | its marked as "1 HDMI NVidia" |
| 16:49.46 | Wafficus | I'm trying to use alsamixer |
| 16:49.52 | gnarface | what key? |
| 16:49.55 | Wafficus | "alsamixer -c 1" that is |
| 16:50.39 | gnarface | right, you open that, then what key do you press? |
| 16:50.56 | Wafficus | F6 |
| 16:51.11 | gnarface | no, you press m |
| 16:52.10 | gnarface | see it toggle now? |
| 16:52.22 | Wafficus | yeah now all channels are set to "00" |
| 16:52.32 | Wafficus | yet I don't get any audio playback in youtube in Qutebrowser for a sound test |
| 16:52.39 | Wafficus | I tried speakertest too but get an error |
| 16:52.43 | Wafficus | one sec, will termbin the error |
| 16:52.54 | gnarface | ok, good, try this: speaker-test -c 2 -t wav -D hdmi |
| 16:53.06 | gnarface | please use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually look at the paste |
| 16:53.21 | gnarface | but i'm not really interested in the error because i doubt i could make any sense of it |
| 16:53.51 | gnarface | try that speaker-test first |
| 16:53.55 | gnarface | does it play? |
| 16:54.30 | Wafficus | https://termbin.com/hqic |
| 16:54.41 | gnarface | i said, paste.debian.net |
| 16:54.42 | Wafficus | ok I'll try that speaker-test option |
| 16:54.52 | Wafficus | ok i'll look for that, I usually use termbin for ease of use |
| 16:55.57 | Wafficus | http://paste.debian.net/1153197/ |
| 16:56.09 | Wafficus | no, it doesn't play |
| 16:57.01 | gnarface | show me the error with my options |
| 16:57.07 | Wafficus | second attempt using your options: http://paste.debian.net/1153200/ |
| 16:58.00 | gnarface | Wafficus: ok, let me see the output of "aplay -L" |
| 16:59.21 | Wafficus | aplay -L output : http://paste.debian.net/1153202/ |
| 16:59.54 | gnarface | no |
| 16:59.59 | gnarface | that was not |
| 17:00.04 | gnarface | that was the output of aplay -l |
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| 17:00.06 | gnarface | please try harder |
| 17:00.54 | Wafficus | http://paste.debian.net/1153203/ |
| 17:01.45 | Wafficus | gnarface: |
| 17:02.10 | gnarface | do you have a custom alsa config, ~/.asoundrc, or the like? |
| 17:02.22 | gnarface | -D hdmi should have worked |
| 17:02.44 | gnarface | you might have to stop pulseaudio |
| 17:03.14 | Wafficus | http://paste.debian.net/1153204/ |
| 17:03.20 | Wafficus | gnarface: ~/.asoundrc |
| 17:03.31 | Wafficus | oh pulseaudio was installed too? |
| 17:03.42 | Wafficus | it must have been installed alongside one of the emulators I installed if that's the case |
| 17:03.47 | gnarface | Wafficus: just move the ~/.asoundrc out of the way, i don't know if pulseaudio is installed too, you tell me |
| 17:03.59 | Wafficus | so comment out the lines then? |
| 17:04.09 | Wafficus | gnarface: |
| 17:04.13 | Wafficus | * within .asoundrc |
| 17:04.16 | Wafficus | ? |
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| 17:07.03 | Wafficus | I commented out the lines in .asoundrc for now, but still no sound |
| 17:08.37 | Wafficus | I tried using your speaker test options, but its giving a playback error |
| 17:08.50 | Wafficus | http://paste.debian.net/1153206/ |
| 17:08.53 | Wafficus | gnarface: |
| 17:09.17 | gnarface | i told you to move the whole file out of the way |
| 17:09.19 | gnarface | didn't i? |
| 17:10.03 | Wafficus | ok I"ll rename it |
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| 17:10.43 | Wafficus | same thing happens |
| 17:10.47 | Wafficus | gnarface: |
| 17:10.55 | Wafficus | even with the .asoundrc moved into another directory other than home |
| 17:10.56 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 17:11.16 | gnarface | i dunno then |
| 17:11.19 | gnarface | seems like a driver problem |
| 17:11.21 | gnarface | maybe you're missing a package |
| 17:12.11 | gnarface | you could try asking about it in #alsa... it's usually dead in there but someone might help you eventually if you're patient enogh |
| 17:12.16 | gnarface | patient enough* |
| 17:12.21 | Wafficus | ah, idk |
| 17:12.31 | Wafficus | I kind of just want sound to work on this TV to play some games |
| 17:12.39 | Wafficus | don't want to spend all day just trying to figure out sound when it should just work |
| 17:17.48 | openbsdtai123 | here my scriptà setup.c, just setup asoundrc1 or setup soundrc0 (http://termbin.com/8k7f wowill give you setup.c ) |
| 17:18.27 | openbsdtai123 | Wafficus: alsamixer will tell you which card, while pressing F6. |
| 17:20.04 | Wafficus | would you look at that |
| 17:20.13 | Wafficus | another normal person using termbin |
| 17:20.15 | Wafficus | who would have known |
| 17:20.21 | Wafficus | i'll check it out thanks |
| 17:21.16 | Wafficus | openbsdtai123: um, this is a giant .c script |
| 17:21.20 | Wafficus | openbsdtai123: what am I looking for here? |
| 17:25.06 | openbsdtai123 | this will tell you which sound card: seq 1 1 10 | while read -r i ; do seq 1 1 10 | while read -r j ; do echo $i $j ; aplay -D plughw:$i,$j /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Rear_Center.wav ; done ; done |
| 17:25.12 | openbsdtai123 | ( I just try to help you). |
| 17:25.28 | Wafficus | openbsdtai123: right, but I have no idea what half of these C based functions are supposed to do |
| 17:27.06 | openbsdtai123 | this is enough. this is bash: seq 1 1 10 | while read -r i ; do seq 1 1 10 | while |
| 17:27.10 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.13 | openbsdtai123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.26 | Wafficus | openbsdtai123: I tried what you initially gave, but a lot of what's present is giving this error: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 17:28.48 | Wafficus | same thing with the second variant openbsdtai123 |
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| 17:40.21 | xrogaan | the byhand list are gone from debian's ftpmaster :( |
| 17:41.08 | xrogaan | is still waiting for the backported kernel image to show up |
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| 17:56.10 | hemimaniac | oh he left, I had a slew of issues with sound on this rig after a fresh install, had a solution they could of tried |
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| 19:36.02 | xrogaan | I don't understand your sentence. |
| 19:36.19 | xrogaan | nevermind, I didn't read correctly. |
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| 22:24.02 | doubledutch | Any tips for reducing number of writes devuan makes? |
| 22:24.13 | doubledutch | I'm thinking the solution is to find a way to run devuan 100% from RAM |
| 22:24.25 | doubledutch | Then save to persistidisk on my way out |
| 22:24.42 | doubledutch | Hoping to use mainly on 100+ connected cloud nodes |
| 22:25.49 | MinceR | noatime mount option, eliminating swap or reducing swappiness, /tmp on tmpfs maybe |
| 22:30.18 | onefang | There are versions of Devuan that run from RAM. Look for the one s with "live" in the name, or try Refracta. |
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| 22:35.35 | doubledutch | Thanks! |
| 22:35.37 | doubledutch | Great tips |
| 22:35.43 | doubledutch | Hey MinceR haha you made it over here |
| 22:35.58 | doubledutch | Seen you in debian rooms since *forever* |
| 22:36.06 | MinceR | :) |
| 22:36.07 | doubledutch | Great to see you |
| 22:37.03 | doubledutch | Even a very younger me knows the best answers come from jm_ MinceR paultag et al |
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| 23:47.08 | bean | I installed the latest devuan-backports kernel (5.6.14-2~bpo10+1) and the devuan-backports version of firmware-amd-graphics (20190717-2~bpo10+1) and this time the problem started on login, before I even launched a single program. There were no devuan-backports versions of any of the mesa packages that were installed, as far as I know. |
| 23:47.50 | bean | based on .xsession-errors it appears the same thing happened |
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