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| 00:34.17 | systemdlete | lspci shows me that the address referred to in the error messages (the ones re WARN TRB event) is an ASMedia usb 3.0 hub. So I disconnected both devices from that hub's ports (and connected them to other, 2.0 ports). Waiting to see if those errors appear again. |
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| 01:32.01 | crhylove | Argh. Got Alsamixergui to work, and still can't change sound cards. |
| 01:36.48 | tuxd3v | crhylove, what is the output of this? |
| 01:36.51 | tuxd3v | dpkg -l|grep -Ei "(alsa|sound)" |
| 01:39.08 | crhylove | ii alsa-utils 1.1.8-2 amd64 Utilities for configuring and using ALSA |
| 01:39.08 | crhylove | ii alsamixergui 0.9.0rc2-1-10 amd64 graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver |
| 01:39.08 | crhylove | ii libasound2:amd64 1.1.8-1 amd64 shared library for ALSA applications |
| 01:39.08 | crhylove | ii libasound2-data 1.1.8-1 all Configuration files and profiles for ALSA drivers |
| 01:39.10 | crhylove | ii libasound2-plugins:amd64 1.1.8-1 amd64 ALSA library additional plugins |
| 01:39.13 | crhylove | ii libcanberra-gtk3-0:amd64 0.30-7 amd64 GTK+ 3.0 helper for playing widget event sounds with libcanberra |
| 01:39.16 | crhylove | ii libcanberra-gtk3-module:amd64 0.30-7 amd64 translates GTK3 widgets signals to event sounds |
| 01:39.21 | crhylove | ii libcanberra0:amd64 0.30-7 amd64 simple abstract interface for playing event sounds |
| 01:39.24 | crhylove | ii libsoundtouch1:amd64 2.1.2+ds1-1 amd64 Sound stretching library |
| 01:39.27 | crhylove | ii pulseaudio 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 PulseAudio sound server |
| 01:39.28 | gnarface | ugh, you shouldn't paste more than 3 lines into channel or you could be kicked by the anti-spam bot |
| 01:39.30 | crhylove | ii pulseaudio-utils 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 Command line tools for the PulseAudio sound server |
| 01:39.33 | crhylove | ii qasmixer 0.21.0-1.1 amd64 ALSA mixer for the desktop |
| 01:39.36 | crhylove | ii qjackctl 0.5.0-1 amd64 User interface for controlling the JACK sound server |
| 01:39.39 | crhylove | ii sound-icons 0.1-6 all Sounds for speech enabled applications |
| 01:39.42 | crhylove | ii sound-theme-freedesktop 0.8-2 all freedesktop.org sound theme |
| 01:39.47 | crhylove | I was posting screenshots earlier, but fsmithred couldn't read them.... |
| 01:40.07 | crhylove | tuxd3v, |
| 01:40.23 | tuxd3v | crhylove, use https://paste.debian.net/ |
| 01:40.30 | tuxd3v | for pasting code |
| 01:41.17 | fsmithred | yeah, please |
| 01:41.30 | fsmithred | no javascript there |
| 01:41.39 | crhylove | https://paste.debian.net/1152262/ |
| 01:41.51 | fsmithred | is pavucontrol installed? |
| 01:42.24 | crhylove | Yeah, but it says "Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..." forever |
| 01:42.43 | fsmithred | try opening an audio app first and then start pavucontrol |
| 01:43.21 | tuxd3v | that could mean pulkseaudio is not running.. |
| 01:43.40 | crhylove | I have a bunch of audio apps open. |
| 01:43.48 | fsmithred | yeah, the config file is the next thing to check |
| 01:43.49 | crhylove | I can select the proper hardware on a per app basis. |
| 01:44.04 | fsmithred | and does it work? |
| 01:44.05 | crhylove | But I can't change audio devices in firefox, for instance. |
| 01:44.20 | crhylove | Yeah, for Hydrogen, OBS, Ardour, Audacious, and Audacity. |
| 01:44.29 | crhylove | But not other less audio focused apps. |
| 01:44.36 | tuxd3v | I also can't change them, what is your default DE |
| 01:44.39 | tuxd3v | ? |
| 01:44.43 | crhylove | Mate |
| 01:44.52 | fsmithred | and you got a way to change the default card, but I think that was for a pure alsa system |
| 01:45.10 | crhylove | In Sound Preferences, I select the output, it reverts back to the old one immediately. |
| 01:45.12 | fsmithred | I don't know if that works with PA |
| 01:45.41 | crhylove | What's the CLI command for opening sound preferences? |
| 01:45.46 | crhylove | maybe if I run it as root.... |
| 01:46.02 | fsmithred | what sound preferences? |
| 01:46.16 | crhylove | right click on the speaker in the system tray |
| 01:46.32 | fsmithred | you want a mixer? |
| 01:46.42 | crhylove | I just want to change output. |
| 01:46.59 | fsmithred | I think you have to do that with pavucontrol if you're using pulseaudio |
| 01:47.00 | crhylove | But it won't stay. It reverts back to the other one automatically. |
| 01:47.24 | crhylove | pavucontrol never establishes a connection |
| 01:47.27 | crhylove | as posted above. |
| 01:47.31 | fsmithred | is pulseaudio running? Did you fix the line in /etc/pulse/whatever it is? |
| 01:47.52 | fsmithred | You probalby don't know what I'm talking about |
| 01:48.12 | fsmithred | if you're gonna use PA, check the release notes for the fix to make it autostart |
| 01:48.43 | fsmithred | either comment or uncomment one line. I always forget which, but it says what to do right there in the file. |
| 01:49.10 | crhylove | autospawn? |
| 01:49.14 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 01:49.34 | fsmithred | I should remember that. I can associate it with "spawn of satan" |
| 01:49.50 | crhylove | LOL. yeah. |
| 01:49.54 | tuxd3v | hehehe |
| 01:49.56 | crhylove | ok, going for reboot brb. |
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| 01:52.04 | crhylove | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.12 | crhylove | Would be good to have that config file right out of the box. |
| 01:52.31 | fsmithred | someone would need to fork PA |
| 01:57.31 | crhylove | Gah. We can't have specific config files for our distro? |
| 01:57.59 | gnarface | you can, the problem is that the pulseaudio maintainers would have to include them willingly |
| 01:58.36 | gnarface | the only way around package maintainers' authority over their own packages is to fork the whole package |
| 01:58.40 | crhylove | Yikes. I can see why that would be tough. Since we are specifically excising the poettering code. |
| 01:58.52 | gnarface | yea, they don't like us |
| 01:59.01 | gnarface | we're a threat to their business plan |
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| 02:05.02 | crhylove | obv.... and rightly so. |
| 02:06.36 | tuxd3v | with openbox + python 3.7 obamenu(pipe-menu) doesn't work.. I am porting the pipe menu to other language.. |
| 02:07.17 | tuxd3v | I tried first to correct some diffs in the language, but there are tons of diferences between python3.7 and python2 |
| 02:07.27 | tuxd3v | it was made with python2.. |
| 02:07.47 | tuxd3v | I doesn't want to install python2 hehe |
| 02:09.23 | tuxd3v | for that I prefer to have another language installed, in that way, I have 2 languages, python3.7 and Lua5.3 |
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| 04:50.31 | newperson222 | Hello friends. I have question pertaining to using NETGEAR AC1200 Wi-Fi USB Adapter for installing Devuan. I apologize if this is covered in material somewhere, I have searched the Devuan forum and other places without success. This is my primary network connection hardware. Using the 64bit netinstall iso, my network hardware is not detected. I can |
| 04:50.31 | newperson222 | select from a large list of wifi firmware to use, but I have tried many of them and can never proceed. Is this hardware supported? If you could point me toward the correct firmware that would be great. thank you |
| 04:53.18 | newperson222 | Correction, the USB wifi dongle I am using is "Realtek 8812u" |
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| 05:01.59 | gnarface | newperson222: you're sure it's rtl8812u not rtl8812au? |
| 05:03.11 | newperson222 | thanks for your reply, gnarface. in windows device manager, this network adapter says "Realtek 8812BU Wireless LAN 802.11ac USB NIC" |
| 05:03.18 | gnarface | newperson222: google results suggest neither ac1200 nor 8812u are supported, though i'm seeing traces of evidence people tried 4 years ago and failed, that means there could be a unpublished fix floating around out there somewhere |
| 05:03.45 | gnarface | newperson222: unless you're desperate i'd recommend just buying something cheap that is known to work though |
| 05:04.01 | gnarface | newperson222: (there are decent and known-supported realtek devices for as little as $9) |
| 05:05.14 | gnarface | newperson222: if you can get the netinstall to complete a bootable setup i might be able to help you debug it in the case it is user error, but like i said, my initial google searches suggest nobody else succeeded at this either |
| 05:05.58 | gnarface | newperson222: note however that "8812BU" is not "8812u" (which may or may not even exist) - the distinction probably matters |
| 05:06.56 | gnarface | newperson222: because for the 8812BU, there's actually much more recent mentions, and evidence people have got it working: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1079377/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-realtek-rtl8812bu |
| 05:07.06 | newperson222 | i see, thanks for this good info. yes, I've seen some forum posts from other distro's and found this: https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2BU_WiFi_linux_v5.2.4.4_26334.20180126_COEX20171012-5044 for instance |
| 05:07.24 | newperson222 | aha yes i was viewing that page myself right now |
| 05:07.36 | newperson222 | maybe if i can install with ethernet, and then apply this firmwware |
| 05:10.04 | newperson222 | i'm also curious about the $9 solution you mentioned, is that a specific product you know of? |
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| 05:14.47 | newperson222 | i have not found a list of compatible usb wifi devices for devuan |
| 05:16.53 | gnarface | stand by i'll dig it up for you |
| 05:17.00 | newperson222 | thanks much! |
| 05:17.06 | gnarface | yes, installing with wired ethernet first is generally advised though |
| 05:17.20 | onefang | I had a similar problem years ago. I got a TP-Link TL-WN722N that has a Realtek 8188EU that's been working fine for me. firmware-realtek apt package. |
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| 05:18.50 | gnarface | newperson222: search for d-link dwa121 |
| 05:19.15 | gnarface | newperson222: might also be listed as wireless n 150 pico usb adapter |
| 05:19.40 | gnarface | newperson222: also requires firmware-realtek but works reliably and is cheap |
| 05:20.01 | newperson222 | thanks gnarface and onefang, i've written this down! happy hacking |
| 05:25.53 | newperson222 | cheers |
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| 05:54.56 | openbsdtai123 | Good morning, a little question, how to detect that the pi has HDMI plugged and not. This is for the audio plughw 0 or 1, depending on the hardware/plugs of the box. |
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| 06:25.16 | rrq | maybe: grep ^connected /sys/class/drm/card*/status |
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| 07:00.09 | kreyren | What is the proper way to get winehq on devuan? |
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| 07:08.58 | kreyren | also i need steam~ |
| 07:14.50 | debdog | https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 07:15.08 | kreyren | debdog, that doesn't work on devuan since it's expecting bullseye |
| 07:15.17 | kreyren | edit: expecting winehq-staging from bullseye |
| 07:15.58 | debdog | what does expect bullseye? |
| 07:16.09 | kreyren | the winehq repository for debian used on devuan |
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| 07:18.44 | debdog | it says "Debian 10 (Buster) deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main" |
| 07:19.31 | kreyren | trying |
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| 07:20.13 | Unit193 | You'll need libfaudio0/etc too. |
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| 07:27.19 | debdog | or do you refer to steam regarding "expecting bullseye"? in that case, I have no clue. |
| 07:27.49 | kreyren | debdog, same issue http://ix.io/2pju |
| 07:27.55 | kreyren | sorry took a long time to sync~ |
| 07:28.54 | debdog | have you been following "The WineHQ packages for Debian 10 and later require libfaudio0 as a dependency. Since the distro does not provide it for Debian 10, users of that version can download libfaudio0 packages from the OBS. See https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192 for details."? |
| 07:29.10 | kreyren | noted |
| 07:29.38 | kreyren | debdog, about the steam i expect winehq-staging and steam to be invidual from each other |
| 07:29.49 | kreyren | the steam i think i can solve myself by using the valve repository |
| 07:30.41 | debdog | btw. what command do you use to install stuff? apt, apt-get, aptitude, ...? |
| 07:31.24 | debdog | just curious (because http://ix.io/2pju does not include which packages are missing) |
| 07:31.26 | kreyren | either on random |
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| 07:33.36 | debdog | dunno about about apt but aptitude, compared to apt-get, gives more useful output when running into problems |
| 07:33.58 | kreyren | is running aptitude then |
| 07:34.10 | kreyren | http://bpa.st/YNGQ |
| 07:37.46 | kreyren | debdog, |
| 07:40.21 | debdog | have you added multiarch i386? |
| 07:40.39 | kreyren | debdog, yep, multilib managed through sources.list |
| 07:40.47 | kreyren | http://ix.io/2pjw |
| 07:40.47 | debdog | have you run an "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" beforehand? |
| 07:40.54 | kreyren | yes |
| 07:42.24 | debdog | dunno about i386 in sources.list. I usually run dpkg --add-architecture i386 (https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage) |
| 07:43.02 | kreyren | debdog, should work the same while allowing for a greater control over binaries |
| 07:43.13 | debdog | shrugs |
| 07:43.37 | debdog | that's above my paygrade |
| 07:43.38 | buZz | i never seen manual multilib work |
| 07:44.03 | kreyren | like i can switch it if you want o.O but it always worked for me~ |
| 07:44.41 | debdog | yah, just saying I do not know what to do exactly in that case to resolve https://bpa.st/YNGQ |
| 07:46.44 | debdog | plus, you might have installed the wrong version of libfaudio (not entirely sure about that) |
| 07:47.15 | debdog | it's been a while since I've last installed winehq here and things/dependencies might have changed |
| 07:47.55 | kreyren | i think i've switched on stable from beowulf by mistake and getting broken packages now http://bpa.st/6NOA |
| 07:48.00 | kreyren | should i undo that on beowulf again? |
| 07:48.41 | kreyren | or it doesn't matter because beowulf and stable in devuan are same repo and this is caused by something else? |
| 07:49.27 | debdog | what does "aptitude show libfaudio0 | grep -i version" return? |
| 07:49.47 | kreyren | Version: 20.04-2 |
| 07:50.10 | debdog | hmm, mine says 20.01-0~buster |
| 07:50.15 | kreyren | O.o |
| 07:50.31 | kreyren | needs to restart his irc, sec |
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| 07:51.01 | kreyren | back |
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| 07:51.34 | debdog | this https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Debian_10/ says 20.01, too |
| 07:51.37 | kreyren | The stable and beowulf seems to be the same repo on the devuan though |
| 07:51.55 | kreyren | i am using default release pinned to stable maybe that changes it? |
| 07:52.15 | kreyren | http://ix.io/2pjB |
| 07:52.21 | debdog | maybe using the proper version of libfaudio fixes that? |
| 07:52.41 | kreyren | Seems that i don't even have stable libfaudio0 |
| 07:52.55 | kreyren | checking the winehq note |
| 07:53.12 | debdog | lol, should have done that earlier |
| 07:53.25 | kreyren | i though i did ;-; |
| 07:53.59 | debdog | is afk for a short while |
| 08:01.46 | kreyren | oh my good |
| 08:02.03 | kreyren | just realized that his sources.list is not allowing i386 packages for winehq repository which is causing this conflict |
| 08:02.22 | buZz | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 08:03.10 | kreyren | buZz, even with that it doesn't pull if the deb [arch=amd64] is set |
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| 08:04.22 | kreyren | works now though thanks for help ^-^ |
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| 10:57.12 | crashoverride | How tested is openrc in devuan? |
| 10:57.36 | crashoverride | i.e. I know it quite well, I ran it on my systems for the better part of the last decade. |
| 10:57.46 | crashoverride | but my current devuan install is my dad's |
| 10:58.01 | crashoverride | and it's an old system, so... |
| 10:58.12 | crashoverride | (meaning, laptop from 200X) |
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| 10:58.28 | crashoverride | moin aknife. |
| 11:14.09 | specing | crashoverride: I'm running it |
| 11:14.12 | specing | it works |
| 11:14.16 | specing | but: |
| 11:14.28 | specing | 1) OpenRC is a version from 2011 ! |
| 11:14.55 | specing | 2) It's actually sysvinit + openrc support, not "every init script is an openrc one" |
| 11:15.23 | crashoverride | ah |
| 11:15.26 | specing | (1) this is in ascii, beowulf probably has a newer one |
| 11:15.31 | crashoverride | ah. |
| 11:15.41 | crashoverride | yeah but 2 is a deal breaker for me. |
| 11:16.13 | crashoverride | openrc is great, but if it's only for a fraction of the software... |
| 11:17.20 | specing | crashoverride: not for a fraction, all the supplied software is sysvinit |
| 11:17.27 | specing | it's only for your scripts, basicallu |
| 11:17.29 | specing | basically* |
| 11:17.49 | crashoverride | ok |
| 11:17.51 | crashoverride | well, no then. |
| 11:17.54 | crashoverride | thanks a lot :) |
| 11:19.39 | crashoverride | I hope one day devuan will allow for different libcs |
| 11:20.26 | crashoverride | I'd like uclibc, musl and maybe dietlibc |
| 11:20.35 | crashoverride | there are other ones too, if you start digging. |
| 11:20.45 | crashoverride | https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html for reference |
| 11:22.09 | specing | I'm not sure if that is possible, given the binary nature |
| 11:22.35 | crashoverride | void does it. |
| 11:22.37 | crashoverride | :P |
| 11:25.24 | DPA | Wouldn't that require rebuilding every package for every libc? |
| 11:25.24 | DPA | Also, switching / specifying a libc is unnecessarely difficult with current compilers. gcc has spec files, at least. And I think clang actally needs to be rebuilt for using a different one... |
| 11:30.17 | ShorTie | i'd think a complete recompile would be needed for each also |
| 11:30.28 | crashoverride | DPA: it would yes |
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| 11:30.48 | crashoverride | DPA: it also allows you to do much better QA |
| 11:31.20 | crashoverride | since basically, having to make it work on different libcs leads to increased code portability and therefore to better code quality. |
| 11:31.32 | crashoverride | (unless you hack your way towards portability but that's on you then) |
| 11:32.56 | crashoverride | anyway, just an idea, I like devuan already :P |
| 11:33.31 | ShorTie | and therefore to better code quality, that's a big big hope, imho |
| 11:33.42 | crashoverride | maybe yes |
| 11:33.53 | crashoverride | either way, using a different libc forces devs to deal with bad code. |
| 11:34.19 | crashoverride | the way they deal with it is up to them ultimately. |
| 11:36.10 | crashoverride | s/devs/maintainers/; s/bad code/bad upstream code/ |
| 11:37.36 | ShorTie | Thinkz, they got enough on there plate now |
| 11:38.24 | crashoverride | yeah most probably. |
| 11:41.01 | DPA | Most libcs' only have a subset of glibcs' functionallity. I think which omissions are sensible, is arguable. I don't think code not compiling with a different libc is necessarely a problem of the code. |
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| 11:59.25 | kreyren | Is this sane pinning on devuan? https://github.com/Kreyren/apt-config/blob/leonid-devuan/preferences.d/zz-kreyren |
| 11:59.36 | kreyren | assuming sources.list https://github.com/Kreyren/apt-config/blob/leonid-devuan/sources.list |
| 12:17.46 | ShorTie | now thats a sources.list |
| 12:21.11 | kreyren | Not sure if i can make it to use clearweb if apt-transport-tor is not installed or available though |
| 12:21.22 | kreyren | would probably have to make a wrapper at that point |
| 12:26.25 | ShorTie | ya, i'd agree that apt-transport-tor needs to be installed for it to work |
| 12:31.28 | DPA | If tor is already installed, it's also possible to setup a transparent proxy using tors socks proxy and iptables and pointing the resolv.conf to tors dns. And there is an apt option for allowing resolution of *.onion domains in that's needed for that special setup. (although, the chach can probably also be circumvented by using *.onion. instead of *.onion). |
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| 12:32.18 | DPA | s/chach/check/ |
| 12:37.33 | DPA | Setting tors socks proxy in apts config or using tsocks would probably also work. |
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| 13:34.23 | kreyren | did that again https://github.com/Kreyren/apt-config/blob/leonid-devuan/bin/apt.sh |
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| 13:55.27 | kreyren | DPA, tor is not already installed in my setup in that phase :/ |
| 13:55.42 | kreyren | but i think i could rework it to make it set up |
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| 15:10.20 | golinux | kreyren: Never use "stable" or "testing" in your devuan sources.list. This is well documented on the website. https://www.devuan.org/os/releases |
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| 15:15.57 | morla101119 | hey! congratulations on releasing beowulf as stable! this is great! |
| 15:17.18 | morla101119 | does anyone know if k8s is expected to run on beowulf? |
| 15:17.53 | morla101119 | i am about to setup a new cluster and i would love to ditch ubuntu |
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| 15:35.38 | fsmithred | morla101119, https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=k8s&release=beowulf |
| 15:39.13 | kreyren | golinux, i know it's documented, but it doesn't seem sane to me to pin the releases only assuming that it would point to the same thing as stable even after an update? |
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| 15:41.23 | golinux | kreyren: Except that with devuan is does not always point to the same thing |
| 15:41.32 | kreyren | golinux, how so? |
| 15:42.18 | golinux | Debian was stable and Devuan was testing for almost a year before the Beowulf stable release |
| 15:42.41 | kreyren | golinux, true |
| 15:42.49 | kreyren | changing it then :p |
| 15:43.38 | golinux | That has happened to several folks who had testing in their sources and ended up on bullseye and a broken mess |
| 15:44.42 | golinux | And if you use stable you will get bulleye when debian releases it |
| 15:45.08 | golinux | You will save yourself some grief |
| 15:45.25 | kreyren | golinux, noted thanks ^-^ |
| 15:45.35 | golinux | yw |
| 15:46.04 | golinux | Explained on this page https://www.devuan.org/os/releases |
| 15:47.31 | kreyren | noted |
| 15:48.05 | kreyren | i am not sure about the pinning though |
| 15:48.10 | kreyren | so that it would prefer devuan over debian |
| 15:49.50 | golinux | I have never had to pin anything |
| 15:50.23 | golinux | so can't answer to that. |
| 15:53.42 | morla101119 | fsmithred, thanks. kubernetes is not expected to be in the repo. |
| 15:54.25 | morla101119 | i was trying to ask if someone has gotten it to run w/o systemd. especially on devuan beowulf. |
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| 15:54.42 | kreyren | morla101119, i did, but not on apt-based :p |
| 15:55.02 | nemo | https://m8y.org/tmp/amdgpu.html this is the only pin I currently have at home for Beowulf |
| 15:55.13 | nemo | I also have a stupid one at work for the ascii kernel that I hope to get rid of soon |
| 15:55.42 | lunario | the current devuan repository is down, isn't it? |
| 15:55.46 | nemo | ?? |
| 15:55.48 | nemo | wut |
| 15:55.59 | kreyren | lunario, ain't for me |
| 15:56.12 | lunario | ping www.deb.devuan.org |
| 15:56.24 | kreyren | you meant deb.devuan.org |
| 15:56.38 | morla101119 | kreyren, cool. may i pm you? |
| 15:56.51 | kreyren | 64 bytes from XXXX (XXXX): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=75.7 ms |
| 15:56.57 | onefang | deb.devuan.org is a DNS round robin. |
| 15:56.57 | lunario | Err:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease |
| 15:57.01 | kreyren | morla101119, sure, but if it's related to devuan you are better to ask here :p |
| 15:57.11 | lunario | that's what i get when i try to update |
| 15:57.22 | lunario | ah right,now pinging it actually works here too |
| 15:57.41 | morla101119 | kreyren, more related to how you deployed k8s :) |
| 15:57.43 | kreyren | lunario: return output from `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io` then |
| 15:57.43 | lunario | but in apt-get update i still get "Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org'" |
| 15:57.48 | onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html gives the details of which mirrors are up and other stuff. |
| 15:57.50 | kreyren | it will generate a paste link of your sources.list |
| 15:58.10 | lunario | http://ix.io/2pli |
| 15:58.41 | kreyren | lunario, you have lots of garbage there, but seems sane to me :p |
| 15:58.50 | lunario | haha yeah ikr |
| 15:59.17 | lunario | the failure only happens for the devuan related entries though, not for any other |
| 15:59.17 | kreyren | lunario, i've used gentoo for kubernetes if that helps you |
| 15:59.29 | kreyren | lunario, return logs then :p |
| 16:00.03 | lunario | https://termbin.com/uxu4 |
| 16:00.29 | onefang | This is one reason there are three web sites showing the package mirror status. None of them are showing problems now, so it might be a local problem for you. |
| 16:00.33 | kreyren | lunario, `ping google.com` works for you? |
| 16:00.47 | lunario | yes |
| 16:00.47 | kreyren | seems like DNS issue to me |
| 16:00.53 | kreyren | weird |
| 16:01.01 | lunario | well, not google.com because i put 0.0.0.0 for it into /etc/hosts :P but any other site does |
| 16:01.10 | onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://napier.devuan.org:8080/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html |
| 16:01.12 | kreyren | lunario, return output from `ping google.com` i don't believe you :p |
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| 16:01.41 | lunario | everything else works, it's just the devuan repos |
| 16:01.49 | lunario | but maybe i should just try again later |
| 16:01.53 | lunario | it worked earlier today |
| 16:02.03 | kreyren | weird |
| 16:02.15 | onefang | Or try a specific mirror? |
| 16:02.26 | kreyren | `service network restart` to force DNS refresh might help |
| 16:02.32 | lunario | onefang: will do that if it doesn't work later |
| 16:02.36 | kreyren | also i would try changing /etc/resolv.conf to `nameserver 1.1.1.1` |
| 16:02.52 | lunario | kreyren: why? |
| 16:02.58 | lunario | shouldnt it be my router's ip? |
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| 16:04.26 | kreyren | lunario, i don't think that would be related to temporary failure resolving |
| 16:04.30 | kreyren | that indicates DNS issue |
| 16:04.40 | kreyren | or it always did on my end O.o |
| 16:05.23 | kreyren | or i guess you can try the specific IP http://ix.io/2plj |
| 16:05.32 | kreyren | this is output from `dig +short deb.devuan.org` |
| 16:07.15 | onefang | Using the IPs in your sources list wont help. |
| 16:07.33 | kreyren | onefang, true, but it will prove it being a DNS issue |
| 16:09.25 | lunario | ok, i will wait an hour and check if the problem persists; if yes, i'll change the nameserver. thanks for your help so far! |
| 16:10.05 | kreyren | lunario, i woudn't wait :p |
| 16:13.33 | kreyren | is sad that `dpkg --get-selections < world` doesn't work |
| 16:16.32 | kreyren | APT::Build-Essensial is apparently a thing though |
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| 16:30.21 | kreyren | AHHH i just spent 15 minutes debugging preferences and i had `Pin;` instead of `Pin:` |
| 16:30.22 | kreyren | -.- |
| 16:31.53 | onefang | I spent many hours yesterday wondering what it was I broke this time with my Syslinux EFI experiments, I had named a file .EFK instead of .EFI. lol |
| 16:33.11 | onefang | And most of a day coz I was using an AMD64 kernel with an 686 user space, yet it almost worked. |
| 16:34.11 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.40 | fsmithred | if this is your first update since beowulf went stable, you'll get an error. Use 'apt update' and answer yes when it asks. |
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| 16:46.15 | kreyren | yaay my pinning works as expected |
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| 18:19.14 | lunario | fsmithred: i was using apt-get... but now it actually all works fine again |
| 18:19.47 | fsmithred | oh, good |
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| 19:13.53 | Garb0 | So, how good is beowulf right now? |
| 19:14.11 | Garb0 | is it 'good enough' or pretty much polished? |
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| 19:14.46 | onefang | It's been released, and is the current stable. |
| 19:14.59 | minnesotags | What is up with the deb.devuan.org? |
| 19:15.03 | Garb0 | wait, what? already? |
| 19:15.30 | onefang | https://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html http://napier.devuan.org:8080/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html show the state of the package mirrors. |
| 19:15.31 | Garb0 | damn, really. |
| 19:15.58 | minnesotags | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/Beowolf/contrib/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 195.85.215.180 80] |
| 19:15.58 | minnesotags | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/Beowolf-security/non-free/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 195.85.215.180 80] |
| 19:15.58 | minnesotags | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/Beowolf-updates/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found [IP: 195.85.215.180 80] |
| 19:15.58 | minnesotags | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:17.19 | onefang | All three mirror checkers say that mirror is working fine. Might be a problem at your end. |
| 19:17.40 | syco- | i get a 404 too here |
| 19:18.06 | onefang | Garb0: check the IRC title, it says "(Beowulf 3.0 stable, ASCII 2.1 old-stable)" |
| 19:18.12 | minnesotags | I just updated my DNS to be sure. This is NOT a problem on my end. |
| 19:18.38 | syco- | its not a DNS problem since it gives a 404 |
| 19:18.58 | onefang | Three different mirror checking servers are not having that problem though. |
| 19:19.36 | minnesotags | I'm looking at the first mirror checker (borta.devuan.dev) and it IS showing 3 fails for deb.devuan.org |
| 19:20.20 | onefang | Not for the IP 195.85.215.180 though. |
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| 19:21.58 | bsat | i lost ability to login to X session on devuan beowulf box |
| 19:22.03 | bsat | root can login |
| 19:22.07 | onefang | Oh wait, you have "beowolf", it's "beowulf". |
| 19:22.23 | minnesotags | Crap. |
| 19:22.29 | bsat | elogind is installed |
| 19:23.49 | bsat | how do i regenerate the .Xauthority |
| 19:24.36 | minnesotags | Yeah beowulf works better. |
| 19:24.37 | bsat | mkauth, ok |
| 19:26.00 | onefang | And borta showing timeouts when the other two are not showing timeouts is why we have three mirror checking servers, borta was having the timeout problem locally. |
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| 19:27.36 | bsat | dbus-update-activiation-environment: systemd --user not found, ignoring --systemd argument |
| 19:27.43 | bsat | well let's purge dbus then |
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| 19:35.30 | nemo | minnesotags: hm. I'm also surprise that the mirror is case insensitive ⺠|
| 19:35.36 | fsmithred | bsat, make sure you have libpam-elogind |
| 19:35.36 | nemo | minnesotags: where did you get those urls from anyway? |
| 19:36.23 | fsmithred | and no-dbus is possible: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 |
| 19:36.30 | fsmithred | gotta go. bbl. |
| 19:36.48 | onefang | It wasn't the case, it was the u in "wulf", but minnesotags had o "wolf". |
| 19:37.12 | minnesotags | yeah. wolf not wulf |
| 19:37.40 | minnesotags | ^/ is a big help. |
| 19:37.48 | minnesotags | I mean ^\ |
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| 19:43.23 | bsat | it's there fsmithred - is /etc/systemd needed? |
| 19:45.31 | bsat | hmm adding a new user solved it |
| 19:45.39 | bsat | maybe some badness with my .Xauthority |
| 19:47.59 | bsat | thanks ffolks! |
| 19:48.07 | bsat | i love no-dbus |
| 19:48.33 | bsat | no-dbus gives me the warm orange colored liquid in my brain |
| 19:48.55 | MinceR | lava? |
| 19:49.18 | nemo | ichor in his tubules |
| 19:49.56 | MinceR | i thought ichor was black |
| 19:50.14 | bsat | i have palemoon without dbus built for aarch64 and it is happy warm orange glowy |
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| 20:16.42 | james1138 | Heads up Bsat if you are not already aware... Palemoon does not support at this time DRM, so using it to watch stuff like Hulu or NetFlix is a no-go. |
| 20:17.13 | MinceR | good |
| 20:17.15 | bsat | don't watch hulu or netflix |
| 20:17.18 | bsat | :) |
| 20:17.20 | MinceR | DRM doesn't belong on the web |
| 20:17.33 | MinceR | and netfucks should never have had the opportunity to help kill the web |
| 20:17.49 | bsat | this better to go in #debianfork |
| 20:18.06 | nemo | is palemoon actually maintained by devuan? O_o |
| 20:18.23 | bsat | no, but i have happyfun stripped down builds |
| 20:18.37 | bsat | for aarch64 |
| 20:18.38 | nemo | MinceR: the ichor starts out black, but warms to orange |
| 20:19.10 | bsat | after you werfs enough flammens, everything glows a happy orange |
| 20:19.10 | nemo | ok. I was gonna say, that seems like kind of a big risk on the part of the devuan folks |
| 20:19.26 | bsat | why |
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| 20:20.03 | bsat | you just can't brand a changed/derivitave build 'pale moon' |
| 20:20.10 | bsat | call it bsat moon or devuan star |
| 20:20.55 | onefang | Pale Moon is a fork of FireFox, but it isn't in Debian or Devuan package repos. |
| 20:21.34 | nemo | onefang: yeah, a fork based off of a firefox from 25 releases ago. and hard enough / impossible for debian/devuan to ensure security patching of firefox which is why they mostly offload it to upstream |
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| 22:07.42 | frabbit | can i increase the time before i get automatically logout after some time of non activity on a ssh session? |
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| 22:07.42 | bsat | i didn't know you got automatically logged out |
| 22:07.42 | bsat | i never do |
| 22:07.42 | MinceR | dunno, the last time i had an issue with that, i enabled keepalive |
| 22:07.42 | frabbit | probably a good securiy thing this timeout, but its a bit annoying when learning stuff... |
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| 22:07.43 | frabbit | MinceR: in the config? |
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| 22:07.43 | frabbit | /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 22:08.34 | MinceR | yes, but i forgot if it was client or server side |
| 22:08.47 | MinceR | so either ssh_config or sshd_config |
| 22:09.20 | frabbit | or can i run "ssh -o TCPKeepAlive" foobar_my_server |
| 22:09.55 | MinceR | probably, though without the quotes :> |
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| 22:12.09 | frabbit | hsure, but doesnt work.. also no pattern called keep in both config files |
| 22:12.10 | frabbit | or do i check that on the server? |
| 22:12.10 | frabbit | cause i only want one specific client to keep alive |
| 22:12.10 | frabbit | *have to check |
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| 22:12.58 | MinceR | man ssh_config |
| 22:13.01 | MinceR | man sshd_config |
| 22:13.15 | frabbit | oh specific man files...? o_0 |
| 22:13.25 | frabbit | man... |
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| 22:17.00 | frabbit | ok i will add TCPKeepAlive to the /etc/ssh/ssh_config file on my client |
| 22:17.06 | ullet | the penis suckers are jews |
| 22:17.11 | frabbit | "TCPKeepAlive yes" |
| 22:17.22 | frabbit | ullet: stfu |
| 22:17.37 | bsat_ | the penis suckers are jews |
| 22:17.44 | bsat_ | the penis suckers are jews |
| 22:17.58 | MinceR | stop it |
| 22:18.01 | bsat_ | the penis suckers are jews |
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| 22:19.12 | frabbit | user bsat is still here |
| 22:20.01 | bsat | ah see that's someone following me around |
| 22:20.22 | bsat | being an ass. |
| 22:20.29 | bsat | i'll step out |
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| 22:23.39 | frabbit | oh now hes gone |
| 22:27.06 | crashoverride | yeah it's to get this "bsat" user ignored I guess. |
| 22:27.36 | crashoverride | but they have no account so... |
| 22:27.42 | golinux | No kidding. |
| 22:27.52 | crashoverride | the bsat user seemed legit, golinux. |
| 22:28.09 | MinceR | they are not necessary the same person |
| 22:28.13 | MinceR | s/y/ily/ |
| 22:28.29 | onefang | Did you not spot this - "ullet is now known as bsat_: bsat_" |
| 22:28.29 | golinux | He has been a scourge on #debianfork for weeks |
| 22:28.32 | crashoverride | apparently, they are not. |
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| 22:28.38 | crashoverride | who, bsat or bsat_? |
| 22:28.50 | crashoverride | without an account, you can't know it's the same person, really. |
| 22:28.51 | MinceR | note the underscore |
| 22:28.56 | golinux | Also appeared a elohim and some others. |
| 22:29.09 | crashoverride | again, nicks are cheap on IRC. |
| 22:29.11 | frabbit | i get an underscore too when reconneting unwanted by isp |
| 22:29.20 | golinux | Same IP for all of those nicks |
| 22:29.29 | crashoverride | frabbit: I take the person wanting to fuck with them also knows that. |
| 22:29.33 | MinceR | i told irssi to use a backtick but usually it ignores this setting |
| 22:29.38 | crashoverride | golinux: same IP for the bsat and bsat_? |
| 22:29.58 | golinux | and elohim and I forget who else |
| 22:30.15 | crashoverride | golinux: yeah sure, but not bsat. |
| 22:30.20 | MinceR | have you checked hosts/ip addresses too? |
| 22:30.50 | golinux | I'm not on #debianfork any more because of this kind of stupidity. |
| 22:30.55 | crashoverride | golinux: if someone would want to annoy you and be like "< golinux_> whatever racist/sexist/etc slander goes here" |
| 22:30.55 | MinceR | (not that it can be used to definitively prove being a different person) |
| 22:31.01 | crashoverride | golinux: you would have NO control over it |
| 22:31.10 | crashoverride | golinux: and people would come at you to ban you, insult you, hate you, etc. |
| 22:31.15 | golinux | I have an off button on the channel |
| 22:31.22 | crashoverride | on which? |
| 22:31.37 | golinux | Coming here is a choice. |
| 22:31.46 | crashoverride | ok, you seem to make no sense. |
| 22:31.48 | crashoverride | ignored too. |
| 22:31.55 | crashoverride | ignore is cheap, too. |
| 22:32.40 | golinux | MinceR: Can you please get this off this channel |
| 22:32.59 | frabbit | golinux: agree |
| 22:33.06 | golinux | and to #debianfork |
| 22:33.11 | crashoverride | MinceR: nah we cannot be sure the person wasn't being an ass and wasn't pretending being another person; but chances are it's another person. |
| 22:36.53 | nemo | I probably missed something there, but if no one bothered checking, "ullet/bsat_" was 168.1.76.250 and "bsat" was 165.231.178.21 |
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| 22:38.55 | nemo | hm. netsplit. freenode under attack again? |
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| 22:39.12 | yeti | I hope they cry oceans of tears in fear of our wellbeing |
| 22:39.12 | yeti | :-Ã |
| 22:39.12 | yeti | oiski! |
| 22:39.13 | yeti | <3 filters... |
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| 22:39.25 | yeti | without the userlist shrinking I wouldnt even have noticed the split |
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| 22:40.03 | nemo | I like notifications of join/quit - for one thing I was able to look up that spammer's IP ⺠|
| 22:40.03 | nemo | (well, more easily) |
| 22:40.14 | nemo | also reduces chance of talking to thin ari |
| 22:40.15 | yeti | esc - and I see em |
| 22:40.25 | crashoverride | any idea what's happening? |
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| 22:40.46 | syco- | i have a crap window for that sort of stuff in irssi |
| 22:40.58 | crashoverride | I mean, to Internet. |
| 22:41.02 | syco- | always visible, just smallet than the main one |
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| 22:41.17 | syco- | s/smallet/smaller |
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| 22:41.25 | crashoverride | it's not just freenode having issues atm it seems. |
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| 22:41.42 | frabbit | woah! |
| 22:41.47 | crashoverride | frabbit: what? |
| 22:41.54 | frabbit | were everyone kicked and could connect? |
| 22:42.04 | MinceR | no |
| 22:42.04 | yeti | frabbits 1st major netsplit? |
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| 22:42.08 | frabbit | >=( |
| 22:42.08 | MinceR | there was a massive netsplit |
| 22:42.17 | frabbit | ah! |
| 22:42.23 | frabbit | what is that? |
| 22:42.30 | crashoverride | IRC is a network of servers. |
| 22:42.33 | MinceR | the irc network is an acyclic graph |
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| 22:42.42 | nemo | syco-: mm. that's a good idea. I must just not know how to configure irssi properly |
| 22:42.45 | crashoverride | some servers sometimes disconnect from their networks |
| 22:42.49 | crashoverride | that is called a netsplit. |
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| 22:42.55 | MinceR | if 2 ircd-s lose the connection between each other, the network falls into 2 disjunct pieces that can't talk to each other |
| 22:43.16 | frabbit | oh isee |
| 22:43.20 | nemo | hopefully this is not another summer of bored script kiddies DDoSing freenode |
| 22:43.36 | frabbit | so it was some DDoS attack? |
| 22:43.40 | MinceR | could be |
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| 22:43.45 | frabbit | >=( |
| 22:43.45 | MinceR | i don't know |
| 22:43.52 | djph | or somebody unplugged the wrong cable |
| 22:43.54 | djph | it happens |
| 22:43.58 | frabbit | djph: lol xD |
| 22:44.09 | MinceR | could even be a rogue router |
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| 22:44.16 | frabbit | the lemonade swapped over the wrong cable |
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| 22:44.28 | frabbit | *zssshh* |
| 22:44.35 | yeti | frabbit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack#Distributed_attack |
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| 22:45.32 | syco- | nemo mine is based on this one https://irssi-import.github.io/themes/dot.png |
| 22:45.51 | syco- | https://irssi-import.github.io/themes/ |
| 22:46.21 | frabbit | yeti: thx =) |
| 22:46.29 | frabbit | but this is all for #debianfork xD |
| 22:47.08 | nemo | syco-: btw. personally while I like semi-dark transluicency I don't like sharm edges of images catching my eye in fonts. if not using a composited desktop where gaussian blur behind terminal windows is an option, I'm also a fan of a "cloud textured" translucent background image that I use on terminal windows to break up sharp edges |
| 22:47.28 | frabbit | MinceR: the config change for ssh seems to work now =) |
| 22:47.35 | frabbit | thx btw for ur hints |
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| 22:47.50 | MinceR | :) |
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| 22:48.24 | yeti | h in ts = tHs :-P |
| 22:48.35 | frabbit | MinceR: its alot less streey now xD finnaly i can concentrate more on learning then on ssh-login every 5 or 10 minutes x) |
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| 22:48.46 | MinceR | :> |
| 22:48.49 | yeti | use mosh |
| 22:48.55 | frabbit | *stressy |
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| 22:49.24 | MinceR | yeah, mosh is nice |
| 22:49.26 | frabbit | yeti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosh_(software) |
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| 22:50.12 | yeti | mosh kills sixels and tek sequences... but for plaintext it is ok |
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| 22:50.48 | golinux | This is fork talk not support talk. Get it together, folks |
| 22:51.13 | frabbit | hmm.. nah i like ssh and i think this timeut thing is a good one, except for beginners ;) |
| 22:51.29 | frabbit | but i solved this now with just a little entry in the ssh conf |
| 22:51.55 | frabbit | runs away from golinux to #debianfork |
| 22:52.02 | yeti | _o/" |
| 22:52.16 | MinceR | i don't get it. is using ssh/mosh on devuan not relevant to devuan? |
| 22:52.53 | frabbit | probably because its not devuan specific? |
| 22:53.28 | yeti | then your next keyboard or sound problems arent devuanspecific too :-Ã |
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| 22:53.42 | frabbit | not if it is caused by devuan |
| 22:53.51 | MinceR | the default settings can be devuan-specific |
| 22:53.59 | MinceR | and i don't know what the defaults are |
| 22:54.00 | tom_ | Hello, I'm grading an application server from ASCII to Beowulf, of which in ASCII I had to use Sury's PHP repository |
| 22:54.06 | frabbit | ok it was just my 2cent ^_^ |
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| 22:54.16 | tom_ | Since beowulf includes PHP7.3 I no longer need to use sury |
| 22:54.36 | tom_ | how can I remove sury and revert back to Devuan main's PHP implementation? |
| 22:54.59 | tom_ | or will this be handled by dist-upgrade if I just comment out the sury repo in aptconf |
| 22:56.22 | bgstack15 | tom_: whenever the Devuan main php implementation version is higher than the one provided by the last one installed from your sury repo. |
| 22:56.48 | bgstack15 | So if you are confident you're done with sury's repo, go ahead and comment it out. And then you could go ahead and do a apt-cache policy php-main (or whatever the package name is) |
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| 22:57.14 | bgstack15 | and see if it lists the current one in the Devuan repo |
| 22:57.42 | tom_ | i'm not familiar with apt-cache policy |
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| 23:11.48 | tom_ | bgstack15, what do you mean with apt-cache policy? |
| 23:13.15 | tom_ | I want to replace php7.2-fpm with php-fpm |
| 23:16.51 | tom_ | http://0x0.st/iWvs.png |
| 23:27.40 | tom_ | I figured it out, just not heard of apt-cache policy |
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