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| 00:45.10 | systemdlete | I tried running memtest86 for several iterations, no hard errors there. Other users say this has to do with a patch placed in the kernel, which appears sometime later than the current kernel (4.9.0-12-amd64). IIRC, it was on or about 4.13.x |
| 00:45.39 | systemdlete | So it could be that, unless ascii has a kernel update for this, I may be forced to upgrade to beowulf. |
| 00:46.37 | systemdlete | Not the worst thing in the world, but it makes me think of a certain proprietary vendor of a popular, so-called operating system's "solution" to bugs |
| 01:04.26 | furrywolf | 4.19 is also packaged on ascii |
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| 09:06.22 | ejr | bar toggle buflist |
| 09:06.42 | ejr | ah sry, missed the /... |
| 09:06.46 | ejr | bar toggle buflist |
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| 11:55.51 | yeti | :-) |
| 11:56.48 | yeti | I missed the toggle command so far and always did set that in the vars... after hours of searching the right one... (ok... minustes... but it takes time!) |
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| 12:11.49 | frabbit | i think to know that i can setup a volume group that contains different devices. is it possible to first encrypt these device with just one passphrase? |
| 12:15.21 | yeti | the whole VG might turn unreadable if one member fails |
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| 12:15.51 | yeti | I thing it is gamblinng like using RAID0 |
| 12:16.33 | yeti | unless yo create the VG over RAIDx with x>0 |
| 12:19.23 | frabbit | yeti: ok but might is not "for sure" =) , i dont know what the last thing u talked about is |
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| 13:11.05 | lunario | "/window zoom" |
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| 13:52.55 | crashoverride | during the install/rescue, where does the installer search for firmwares? |
| 13:53.20 | crashoverride | It goes "The missing firmware files are: ..." and I have those files but I can't really put them anywhere |
| 13:53.25 | crashoverride | it won't find them. |
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| 13:57.14 | gnarface | it is usually somewhere in /lib/firmware/ |
| 13:57.47 | gnarface | not sure but you might need to update the initrd.img too |
| 13:58.51 | crashoverride | yeah no I copied it over to /lib/firmware and it just worked. |
| 13:59.18 | crashoverride | you might want to tweak the install media message to tell the user that :P |
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| 14:19.01 | gnarface | i can't do anything to it |
| 14:19.16 | gnarface | i don't actually work here, you should file a bug report if you think it's worth changing |
| 14:21.15 | gnarface | it might have come up before |
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| 14:40.01 | crashoverride | any idea where I can download packages? |
| 14:40.18 | crashoverride | dpkg and apt won't install for the rescue shell |
| 14:42.01 | tuxd3v | crashoverride, exit from the rescue shell, now that you have the firmware in place and proceed :) |
| 14:42.12 | fsmithred | crashoverride, for packages we fork, pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool |
| 14:42.33 | fsmithred | for the rest, packages.debian.org/whatever (pool) |
| 14:42.40 | crashoverride | tuxd3v: I'm in the rescue shell for a reason. |
| 14:42.51 | crashoverride | fsmithred: I found that server, yes. |
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| 14:43.04 | crashoverride | thanks for telling me I can fetch the rest from debian. |
| 14:43.15 | crashoverride | I will check if I need a dependency from devuan first, then |
| 14:43.23 | crashoverride | and if I don't, I'll get it from debian. |
| 14:43.30 | fsmithred | are you at that first window that asks for firmware on external media??? |
| 14:43.35 | crashoverride | no |
| 14:43.47 | fsmithred | ok, good. That usually should be ignored. |
| 14:43.50 | crashoverride | I'm at the rescue shell that I need to back the previous install up before I install devuan on the machine. |
| 14:44.15 | kreyren | Why should i be using deb.devuan.org/merged instead of deb.devuan.org/devuan on stable system? |
| 14:44.17 | crashoverride | and that first window would not get away unless I copied the firmware in /lib/firmware/ anywya |
| 14:44.21 | crashoverride | anyway* |
| 14:44.39 | fsmithred | kreyren, because you will need more than 100 packages to run your system |
| 14:44.48 | kreyren | fsmithred, eh? |
| 14:44.54 | fsmithred | if you use /devuan you will only see the forked packages |
| 14:44.55 | crashoverride | yeah, like I need ntfs-3g right now for instance. |
| 14:45.02 | crashoverride | which isn't forked. |
| 14:45.05 | fsmithred | you need to use /merged to see everything |
| 14:45.06 | kreyren | fsmithred, that explaits a lot O.o thanks |
| 14:45.13 | crashoverride | which needs to be get from debian instead. |
| 14:45.14 | kreyren | *explains |
| 14:45.48 | crashoverride | kreyren: the https://www.devuan.org/os/packages page says it: "Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly." |
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| 14:46.31 | crashoverride | the 'merged' package lists are there so that devuan does that for you, so you don't have to check everything twice. |
| 14:46.34 | fsmithred | amprolla does magic to merge the debian and devuan packages while filtering out the evil packages in the process |
| 14:46.46 | crashoverride | nice. |
| 14:47.11 | fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt |
| 14:47.29 | crashoverride | I've seen the systemd list or something |
| 14:47.32 | crashoverride | but I didn't check that one. |
| 14:47.43 | crashoverride | also, did devuan intiate from France? |
| 14:47.49 | fsmithred | crashoverride, are you in the installer rescue shell to do a backup? |
| 14:47.54 | crashoverride | fuck, wrong verb |
| 14:47.57 | crashoverride | originate. |
| 14:48.02 | crashoverride | fsmithred: yes. |
| 14:48.15 | fsmithred | that sounds unnecessarily difficult |
| 14:48.21 | crashoverride | how would you proceed? |
| 14:48.36 | fsmithred | wouldn't a live-CD (usb) be easier? |
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| 14:48.45 | crashoverride | because I can't download such a big medium. |
| 14:49.09 | tuxd3v | crashoverride, so you are on netboot install? |
| 14:49.12 | crashoverride | yes. |
| 14:49.20 | crashoverride | desktop-live is 1.2GB, I can't download that |
| 14:49.32 | crashoverride | minimal live is 460MiB, that's... meh. |
| 14:49.32 | fsmithred | minimal-live is about 500mb |
| 14:49.37 | fsmithred | yeah, ok |
| 14:49.40 | crashoverride | netinst is 300. |
| 14:49.53 | crashoverride | that is acceptable, and it took me 4h to download and flash it. |
| 14:49.58 | fsmithred | ouch |
| 14:50.00 | crashoverride | (onto a usb key) |
| 14:50.01 | crashoverride | yes. |
| 14:50.04 | crashoverride | now you get it :P |
| 14:50.43 | crashoverride | nah but I can definitely wget some deb files and extract them |
| 14:50.46 | fsmithred | visit a friend with fast internet and download the dvd so you can install packages from it later |
| 14:50.59 | crashoverride | yeah that's gonna take me 3h of driving. |
| 14:51.03 | crashoverride | not a good option, sorry. |
| 14:51.12 | fsmithred | long-range plan |
| 14:51.24 | crashoverride | yeah well, I have a shit connection for a reason |
| 14:51.33 | crashoverride | I'm currently in the middle of nowhere |
| 14:51.38 | crashoverride | I'm happy I can IRC, already. |
| 14:51.39 | fsmithred | figured that |
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| 16:51.54 | kiwi_58 | Has anybody experience in modifying the initrd for tracing purposes; the manner lid on-off? tia |
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| 16:52.45 | buZz | thats not a sentence |
| 16:58.08 | kiwi_58 | Does anybody use the iniitrd the simple way: unpacking, editing, modifying? tia. |
| 16:58.26 | kiwi_58 | packaging. |
| 16:58.39 | kiwi_58 | pardon packing. |
| 16:58.54 | kiwi_58 | unpacking, writing, packing. |
| 17:01.02 | kiwi_58 | the line from kernelhandbook "zcat /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-2-686-pae | cpio -i" give an error message. And using cat instead gives the next error. |
| 17:05.53 | kiwi_58 | using mkinitrd seems obfuscating, that I would rather wish to have no initrd at all between, maybe anyone knows better.. |
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| 18:04.57 | fsmithred | kiwi_58, what do you want to do with the initrd? |
| 18:05.32 | fsmithred | if you have microcode installed, you need to adjust the command |
| 18:05.56 | fsmithred | or if it's xz-compressed instead of gzip |
| 18:06.27 | fsmithred | file /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-2-686-pae |
| 18:06.36 | fsmithred | will give you some useful info |
| 18:18.36 | crashoverride | ok so I installed all the packages by hand |
| 18:20.22 | crashoverride | ar -x $deb; rm $deb control.tar.xz debian*; unxz data.tar.xz; tar xf data.tar; ... |
| 18:20.43 | kiwi_58 | fsmithred: I am doing various tracings with the tux-on-ice kernel patch for resuming and hibernating. I could unpack with unmkinitramfs now I am not sure howto repack: find . | cpio --quiet --dereference -o -H newc | lzma -7 > ../cusotm.initrd.lz |
| 18:20.44 | kiwi_58 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.45 | crashoverride | that's quite some work by hand |
| 18:21.30 | ShorTie | Thinkz maybe cd tmp; find . | cpio -o -H newc | gzip > ../../$(INSTALL_ROOT)image.gz |
| 18:22.41 | fsmithred | kiwi_58, that looks pretty close to how I do it |
| 18:23.10 | kiwi_58 | ok thanks for the hint. |
| 18:23.55 | fsmithred | find . -print0 | cpio -0 -H newc -o | gzip -c > initrd.custom.img |
| 18:24.16 | fsmithred | or: find . | cpio -o -H newc | xz --check=crc32 --x86 --lzma2=dict=512KiB > |
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| 19:35.53 | systemdlete | anyone else running into a kernel crash with this message: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 00000001f1e376b0... |
| 19:42.29 | m1k3 | systemdlete, any clues in dmesg? |
| 19:42.48 | systemdlete | I grepped this message out of kern.log |
| 19:43.16 | systemdlete | you mean look at dmesg logs? |
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| 19:43.38 | systemdlete | I have to reboot since this hangs up the entire system |
| 19:44.11 | m1k3 | Oh, bummer |
| 19:44.16 | systemdlete | so dmesg might not show the problem |
| 19:44.17 | nemo | systemdlete: you using anything unusual driver-wise? |
| 19:44.34 | systemdlete | not anything I haven't been using for months, no |
| 19:44.39 | systemdlete | this just started a few days ago |
| 19:44.53 | m1k3 | How is your memory looking? Nothing abnormal? |
| 19:45.18 | systemdlete | I ran memtest86 for 2 full iterations yesterday (took about 3 hours). Nothing. |
| 19:45.30 | nemo | durn |
| 19:45.36 | nemo | that was guess #2 ⺠|
| 19:46.11 | nemo | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/kgdb-debugging-bug-unable-to-handle-kernel-paging-request-4175618282/#post5794559 |
| 19:46.18 | nemo | random DDG |
| 19:47.00 | systemdlete | Yeah, I've been googling it myself here also. Some people report system hang, others say system still runs after that. |
| 19:47.05 | nemo | systemdlete: anythign tainting kernel? |
| 19:47.40 | systemdlete | I think Thunderbird, but I've seen this also for "Web Content" (which is created from firefox spawning) and dbus also |
| 19:48.07 | nemo | wait what? |
| 19:48.13 | nemo | thunderbird is tainting kernel? O_o |
| 19:48.21 | systemdlete | this most recent one, yes |
| 19:48.26 | nemo | WTF |
| 19:48.35 | nemo | details plz! |
| 19:48.40 | nemo | that sounds very bad |
| 19:50.33 | nemo | systemdlete: hrm. do you run firefox off a network file share or something?? |
| 19:50.42 | systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1152242/ |
| 19:51.01 | systemdlete | Nah, nothing has changed here, honest. |
| 19:51.16 | nemo | ah. vbox |
| 19:51.49 | systemdlete | The only thing is that I did upgrade the kernel recently. Many users say that upgrading kernels was the point when they started seeing this. |
| 19:54.40 | systemdlete | nemo: what about vbox? I've been running vbox here for years... and this happened on the host anyway, not a guest (I haven't seen this in a guest, to the best of my recall) |
| 19:54.40 | nemo | systemdlete: was looking for anything unusual is all. |
| 19:54.40 | systemdlete | ok, thanks |
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| 19:54.52 | systemdlete | sorry, I know you are trying to help. |
| 19:55.46 | nemo | systemdlete: it says tainted, but not by what |
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| 19:55.58 | nemo | systemdlete: normally I'd go with removing whatever tainted it and seeing if the problem still happens |
| 19:56.16 | nemo | systemdlete: should tell you in dmesg what that is, or you'd know I suppose |
| 19:56.36 | systemdlete | on the same line where it says "tainted", you will see "comm: ... thunderbird" |
| 19:57.04 | systemdlete | that is, if the error was captured and logged maybe |
| 19:57.44 | nemo | I don't think that means thunderbird is the one tainting ⺠|
| 19:57.56 | nemo | or even that it is thunderbird-the-app |
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| 19:58.06 | nemo | looks up what "Comm" means on that line |
| 19:58.15 | systemdlete | Comm= Command |
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| 19:58.46 | systemdlete | the line starts by telling you the cpu, the pid, and the comm |
| 19:58.52 | systemdlete | then it says "tainted" |
| 19:58.58 | nemo | systemdlete: yeah, I think Tainted is just a general flag |
| 19:59.20 | nemo | systemdlete: like... when you boot and it warns XXX random closed source driver is tainting the kernel so "warranty void" etc |
| 19:59.34 | nemo | but thanks on "comm" - confirmed that DDGing for examples of crashes |
| 19:59.40 | systemdlete | So thunderbird is tainted? |
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| 20:01.11 | nemo | no |
| 20:01.46 | nemo | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/Documentation/oops-tracing.txt?h=v4.9 |
| 20:01.57 | nemo | " |
| 20:01.57 | nemo | Some oops reports contain the string 'Tainted: ' after the program |
| 20:01.57 | nemo | counter. This indicates that the kernel has been tainted by some |
| 20:01.57 | nemo | mechanism." |
| 20:02.08 | nemo | aw crud. sorry #devuan. I thought that was one line. |
| 20:02.21 | nemo | I should always paste to a text editor first |
| 20:02.31 | systemdlete | or pastebin |
| 20:02.34 | systemdlete | but I get it |
| 20:03.13 | systemdlete | the point here is that the entire host becomes unresponsive. I cannot even get a console. |
| 20:03.32 | nemo | sure. was thinking more checking at start of next reboot |
| 20:03.48 | nemo | but anyway. the "taint" "O" apparently means "out of tree" module which is pretty broad |
| 20:03.53 | nemo | and probably just virtualabox |
| 20:03.57 | nemo | *virtual |
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| 20:04.22 | systemdlete | what about vbox? |
| 20:04.35 | nemo | it's probably out of tree. but I doubt it explains this crash |
| 20:05.23 | systemdlete | but vbox doesn't even appear in the oops report, except to mention that vbox modules were loaded. |
| 20:05.51 | nemo | systemdlete: yeah, I was just commenting on the "taint" |
| 20:06.07 | systemdlete | I'm suspcious of Russians. |
| 20:06.15 | systemdlete | (it's in vogue, atm) |
| 20:06.27 | nemo | systemdlete: does thunderbird use graphics acceleration on your system? |
| 20:06.50 | systemdlete | I have not changed such options that I know of... how does one do that? |
| 20:08.04 | Leander | it's usual on by default, but you can look in Preferences -> Advanced -> Use hardware acceleration when available |
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| 20:08.35 | kreyren | Why is my devuan keep failing with systemd stuff? http://dpaste.com/3RB7564 |
| 20:09.04 | systemdlete | it's unchecked |
| 20:09.30 | kreyren | eh ? O.o |
| 20:09.58 | systemdlete | nemo: That box is unchecked. So it looks like acceleration is disabled. |
| 20:10.03 | kreyren | ah |
| 20:10.05 | systemdlete | (sorry kreyren |
| 20:10.08 | kreyren | npnpnpnp |
| 20:10.14 | kreyren | continues to suffer |
| 20:11.23 | nemo | I don't have exim4 but sure looks like a buggy package to me |
| 20:11.27 | nemo | another upstream boobytrap? |
| 20:11.36 | nemo | fsmithred ? you're the one who knows all this stuff ⺠|
| 20:11.44 | fsmithred | exim gets installed by default |
| 20:11.54 | kreyren | i don't even know what exim4 is~ |
| 20:12.02 | fsmithred | mail server |
| 20:12.06 | kreyren | ah O.o |
| 20:12.19 | kreyren | what should i do about it then? It's new devuan built from source/scratch |
| 20:12.20 | fsmithred | you don't absolutely need it, but it does send system messages to primary user |
| 20:12.32 | fsmithred | no outside repos? |
| 20:12.42 | nemo | the pastebin claims it came from devuan no? |
| 20:12.51 | nemo | Get:21 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main amd64 exim4-daemon-light amd64 4.92-8+deb10u4 [581 kB] |
| 20:13.03 | kreyren | fsmithred, none to my knowledge http://ix.io/2phq |
| 20:13.23 | fsmithred | look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for files |
| 20:13.40 | kreyren | fsmithred, blank |
| 20:13.49 | kreyren | well rather empty |
| 20:15.05 | Leander | it looks like the first error is actually the tor package's installation script expecting systemctl to be present and failing to properly install tor |
| 20:15.30 | kreyren | So bug? |
| 20:16.53 | kreyren | it seems that the tor package is grabbed from debian which is not optimized for openrc system? |
| 20:17.01 | Leander | and exim4 might have some missing dependency too, actually |
| 20:17.42 | kreyren | http://dpaste.com/3R4EC5R |
| 20:17.52 | kreyren | for exim4-.. installation |
| 20:18.17 | kreyren | it's also trying to remove devuan-keychain for some reason |
| 20:18.30 | zatumil | why is it running /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: 491 |
| 20:18.56 | kreyren | No idea |
| 20:19.25 | Leander | no apt is just telling you that you can remove devuan-keyring when you want as it is no longer necessary |
| 20:19.40 | kreyren | Leander, noted |
| 20:20.31 | kreyren | There could also be an error in my logic that builds devuan though |
| 20:20.35 | zatumil | do you have /run/systemd/system directory? |
| 20:21.14 | nemo | systemdlete: hm. btw, did you verify memtest is seeing/testing *all* your memory? |
| 20:21.15 | kreyren | zatumil, yes, but it is blank |
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| 20:21.59 | systemdlete | maybe I'll take up furrywolf's suggestion and upgrade to 4.19 from the repo |
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| 20:22.42 | zatumil | thats why init-system-helpers is missing systemctl durin installation |
| 20:22.42 | systemdlete | I believe so, nemo. I could double check next time I am forced to reboot. |
| 20:23.15 | kreyren | zatumil, eh? |
| 20:23.17 | systemdlete | (and thanks Leander for that tip) |
| 20:24.06 | kreyren | zatumil, it is empty on devuan built using the installer too though |
| 20:25.20 | fsmithred | I have /run/systemd/ but not /run/systemd/system |
| 20:26.46 | fsmithred | is system a file or a directory? |
| 20:26.54 | zatumil | try again after (re)move /run/sydtemd/system |
| 20:27.01 | fsmithred | yeah ^^^ |
| 20:27.07 | kreyren | fsmithred, directory |
| 20:27.46 | kreyren | that seems to fix it ^-^ http://dpaste.com/1WNEYFP |
| 20:27.52 | kreyren | thanks |
| 20:28.15 | fsmithred | cool. I'd like to know how you got that. |
| 20:28.49 | fsmithred | you started with a netinstall? |
| 20:29.11 | kreyren | me too O.o it's building from source/scratch into a chroot-based container so i guess there could be a bug in my logic |
| 20:29.22 | kreyren | but then i see that in devuan built using netinstall too |
| 20:29.39 | fsmithred | debootstrap? |
| 20:30.16 | kreyren | fsmithred, nope custom http://ix.io/2phu |
| 20:30.50 | kreyren | ah wait this is a code from bedrock which is unexpected.. checking |
| 20:31.47 | kreyren | So my bad it is using debootstrap |
| 20:32.03 | kreyren | checking.. |
| 20:33.11 | fsmithred | I suggest removing --variant=minbase so you get standard system utilities |
| 20:33.56 | fsmithred | assuming you like having things like less, bzip2, network commands... |
| 20:34.43 | kreyren | fsmithred, less, bzip2, network, etc.. are unexpected during the build it should build the bare minimum to make apt work |
| 20:34.56 | fsmithred | ok |
| 20:35.05 | kreyren | additional logic is then applied after depending on the workflow |
| 20:36.14 | kreyren | but it should be using bedrock (i have LFS that is just taking parts from bedrock) |
| 20:36.35 | kreyren | So i guess there is a bug somewhere on my end |
| 20:36.43 | kreyren | *it shoudn't be |
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| 20:41.02 | kreyren | What is the onion url for devuan? |
| 20:44.20 | fsmithred | should be on the website |
| 20:45.16 | fsmithred | https://devuan.org/os/packages |
| 20:45.36 | kreyren | fsmithred, thanks ^-^ |
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| 20:50.25 | lunario | i also thought of pointing him to the website first, but then i thought it might come across a bit ironic, given that he might not want to visit it with his real ip :) |
| 20:50.49 | lunario | oh well, maybe using torbrowser |
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| 21:10.53 | systemdlete | Again, but this time the errors were (as I reported a day ago): xhci_hcd 0000:03:00.0: WARN Event TRB for slot 2 ep 4 with no TDs queued? |
| 21:11.03 | systemdlete | Dozens of these just before the crash. |
| 21:11.30 | systemdlete | Oh, nemo, I checked and memtest86 was checking all 16GB of memory. |
| 21:11.38 | systemdlete | (checked since I had to reboot anyway) |
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| 21:14.53 | systemdlete | my mainboard??? (I have a new one standing by, just in case...) |
| 21:18.41 | systemdlete | maybe this: https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=5557&page=2 |
| 21:21.40 | systemdlete | they suggest usbcore.autosuspend=-1 but I've not had to do this until now. |
| 21:24.04 | buZz | systemdlete: pine64.org is a forum for specific devices |
| 21:24.09 | buZz | are you using one of those? |
| 21:24.17 | systemdlete | true, but maybe the problem is generic? |
| 21:24.33 | systemdlete | no, this is a big ol' mainboard |
| 21:24.36 | buZz | have you tried just disconnecting your usb devices? |
| 21:24.56 | systemdlete | this is recurrent even across reboots |
| 21:25.04 | systemdlete | and there are 2 problems now, different |
| 21:25.11 | buZz | so you havent tried that yet, ok |
| 21:25.13 | buZz | go try it |
| 21:25.21 | systemdlete | one is this one (usb issue) |
| 21:25.39 | systemdlete | the other was the one where there was a system crash |
| 21:25.44 | systemdlete | try it? |
| 21:25.51 | systemdlete | shouldn't I wait until the system freezes? |
| 21:26.21 | buZz | i dont care about 'system crash' |
| 21:26.27 | buZz | thats too vague a issue to ever debug |
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| 21:29.09 | buZz | i guess the rest is pointless aswell |
| 21:29.13 | buZz | flips a table |
| 21:29.35 | systemdlete | ??? |
| 21:30.08 | djph | buZz: it is IRC, afterall |
| 21:30.23 | systemdlete | ??? |
| 21:30.32 | systemdlete | not sure what you guys are saying |
| 21:30.54 | buZz | thats nice |
| 21:31.39 | kreyren | Where is the repository for devuan packages? |
| 21:31.39 | systemdlete | Unplugging the usb devices right NOW would probably not do much to help solve the problem(s). Now, maybe when the freeze occurs, I could try that and see if the USB hubs reset themselves. I thought that was your idea. |
| 21:31.43 | kreyren | doesn't seem to be present on gitea |
| 21:32.50 | golinux | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/ |
| 21:33.21 | buZz | systemdlete: no |
| 21:33.21 | kreyren | golinux, i meant for contribution ? O.o |
| 21:33.24 | kreyren | this seems as release |
| 21:33.30 | buZz | systemdlete: my suggestion was disconnecting ALL usb devices |
| 21:33.40 | golinux | https://gitea.devuan.dev/devuan |
| 21:33.43 | buZz | systemdlete: and possibly rebooting when you have done so |
| 21:33.52 | buZz | and KEEP em disconnected |
| 21:34.05 | buZz | confirm that the error originates from your system and not a external usb device |
| 21:34.12 | kreyren | golinux, eh? Gitea seems to be unrelated to downstreaM? |
| 21:34.20 | buZz | -also- disconnect all usb hubs |
| 21:34.46 | systemdlete | I've got my internet connection through a USB device atm. |
| 21:36.14 | golinux | kreyren: Looks like they have not been completely migrated yet https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages |
| 21:36.35 | kreyren | golinux, that's 404 for me O.o |
| 21:36.42 | kreyren | private repo mby? |
| 21:36.49 | kreyren | ah nwm works now |
| 21:36.51 | kreyren | thanks ^-^ |
| 21:37.38 | kreyren | aldo i can't registed on git.devuan.org~ |
| 21:37.40 | fsmithred | kreyren, we're in the middle of migrating the repo |
| 21:37.42 | kreyren | *register |
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| 21:37.57 | kreyren | fsmithred, So should i wait untill it's available on gitea? |
| 21:38.06 | fsmithred | yeah, I think so |
| 21:38.16 | kreyren | any idea how long it will take? |
| 21:38.31 | fsmithred | no, but maybe no more than a week |
| 21:39.06 | kreyren | noted thanks |
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| 21:42.22 | kreyren | fsmithred, if i want to contribute do i have to go through some process or can i just contribute once the repo is on gitea? |
| 21:42.42 | fsmithred | what do you want to contribute? |
| 21:43.21 | kreyren | fsmithred, My usuall workflow is to contribute to downstream regulary for things that i might like or in case there is a broken package O.o |
| 21:43.26 | fsmithred | you can make a personal repo and make merge requests on existing packages |
| 21:43.51 | kreyren | ok ^-^ Where should i submit these? |
| 21:44.04 | fsmithred | against the devuan package |
| 21:44.19 | kreyren | ok |
| 21:45.34 | fsmithred | if you want to provide some packages that aren't in the repo, you could put the code on git and host the packages somewhere for people to download and use |
| 21:45.48 | kreyren | fsmithred, like 3rd party repo? |
| 21:46.02 | fsmithred | there's no official way to get packages into the repo, but it can and does happen |
| 21:46.18 | fsmithred | yeah, you could make a repo or just have a place to download debs |
| 21:46.32 | fsmithred | I've used sourceforge for that for years |
| 21:46.43 | kreyren | I see O.o |
| 21:52.00 | golinux | kreyren: I see you are registered now |
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| 21:56.09 | kreyren | golinux, on gitea yes |
| 21:56.23 | golinux | Yuppers |
| 22:03.39 | kreyren | So iiuc devuan is made to make openrc work with apt nicely only? There is no expected support for systemd? |
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| 22:08.13 | stiltr | devuan + systemd = debian... |
| 22:08.25 | kreyren | eh? O.o |
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| 22:09.31 | buZz | rofl |
| 22:09.41 | buZz | are you trolling now kreyren ? |
| 22:09.56 | buZz | are you seriously suggesting putting in effort to destroy devuan for its own ideals? |
| 22:09.58 | kreyren | buZz, no i don't know the lore behind debianxdevuan |
| 22:10.05 | buZz | maybe read up then |
| 22:10.13 | kreyren | where |
| 22:10.22 | buZz | https://www.devuan.org/ |
| 22:10.30 | buZz | literally the first sentence there |
| 22:10.43 | buZz | ok, beside the headers ;D |
| 22:10.53 | kreyren | So i was right? Just Debian without systemd with support for openrc ? |
| 22:11.02 | kreyren | and no expected support for systemd ? |
| 22:11.11 | stiltr | Yes |
| 22:11.16 | buZz | there's some placeholders to prevent other stuff to break |
| 22:11.29 | buZz | and many stuff patched to prevent systemderp dependencies |
| 22:11.42 | kreyren | Why is it calling systemctl if /run/systemd/system is present then? O.o |
| 22:11.52 | buZz | lol |
| 22:12.15 | kreyren | because some of the packages are from debian? |
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| 22:12.25 | buZz | most of the packages are from debian |
| 22:12.32 | kreyren | -> If i wanted to contribute make the downstream to use only openrc ? |
| 22:12.50 | buZz | thats not a legible sentence to me |
| 22:12.59 | kreyren | o.o |
| 22:13.58 | stiltr | Ideally it should support as many init systems as possible. |
| 22:14.40 | kreyren | stiltr, but devuan doesn't want to support systemd because that would make it into a debian? |
| 22:15.09 | buZz | nobody wants systemd here |
| 22:15.30 | kreyren | but support for as many init systems as possible is the set ethique ? |
| 22:15.31 | buZz | not because of debian but because of systemd |
| 22:15.31 | stiltr | kreyren: Correct. If you want to use systemd, there's really no reason not to use plain debian. |
| 22:16.09 | kreyren | stiltr, but if i wanted to use systemd on devuan it would be supported? |
| 22:16.27 | kreyren | alike is this made just to produce a higher quality code assuming that none sane likes systemd ? |
| 22:17.29 | stiltr | I wouldn't suggest trying to use systemd. The whole point of devuan is to cut that out. You probably could, but it certainly wouldn't be supported. |
| 22:18.02 | stiltr | Not sure I understand the other part. |
| 22:18.45 | kreyren | stiltr, i meant you said that none likes systemd here and that systemd woudn't be supported here, but that the downstream should support as many init systems as possible ideally? |
| 22:19.19 | kreyren | So why should i write a code that supports systemd on devuan? Just for code quality reasons to avoid unexpected behavior on unsupported system or in case debian is using the package? |
| 22:19.55 | kreyren | or to outsource the maintainance on debian by adding openrc support to their packages that are used on devuan? |
| 22:20.04 | stiltr | There's no point in supporting systemd specifically for a devuan package, but there are other init systems besides openrc as well. |
| 22:20.29 | kreyren | stiltr, so should i explicitely make the downstream to fail if systemd is detected? |
| 22:21.49 | stiltr | I don't see any need to do that, but I suppose you could if you wanted to. The only real requirement I know of is that you don't depend on systemd. |
| 22:22.45 | kreyren | stiltr, so if i am perfectionist who ideally wants to support everything i could make the downstream to support all available init systems including systemd and it would be welcomed in devuan? |
| 22:23.08 | stiltr | As far as I understand it. |
| 22:23.21 | kreyren | noted, thanks |
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| 22:23.59 | stiltr | You would also be free to contribute said package to debian which would end up in devuan as well. |
| 22:24.07 | fsmithred | yes, that would not be a problem |
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| 22:24.30 | fsmithred | as long as it does not require systemd, it will work |
| 22:24.40 | kreyren | i see, perfect then ^-^ |
| 22:25.27 | fsmithred | I have some code in either refractasnapshot or refractainstaller to deal with systemd, because I know people who use those tools in debian |
| 22:26.40 | fsmithred | we don't remove systemd service files from packages. There's no point. |
| 22:26.45 | buZz | good programs dont depend on init systems anyway :P |
| 22:26.58 | fsmithred | and we're happy when debian devs don't remove init scripts from packages. |
| 22:27.23 | kreyren | Also how would it affect devuan if i rewrote the whole debian to support both openrc and systemd? Would that just make devuan obsolete assuming that it would basically be a mirror copy of debian at that point? |
| 22:27.44 | fsmithred | lol, good luck |
| 22:28.10 | freem | kreyren: if you do so, may I formulate the request to separate the binary from the init scripts? |
| 22:28.29 | kreyren | fsmithred, ye impossible probably assuming how debian is addicted on systemd, but i was just curious~ |
| 22:29.05 | fsmithred | elogind is in debian, so that makes it easier to run debian without systemd |
| 22:29.06 | freem | this way, we could 1) install the binary and it's manpage without enabling it and 2) easily write init scripts for other init systems (and I could share the ones I use for runit) |
| 22:29.12 | buZz | kreyren: debian is over 60000 packages |
| 22:29.37 | freem | and yes ^ good luck with that :) |
| 22:30.01 | kreyren | tbh i am working on my package manager which i want to make to generate packages for apt on demand so in theory the logic could be adapted for that to make it feasable to rewrote those 600K packages~ |
| 22:30.16 | fsmithred | freem, do you know that runit will be a choice in the installer in the near future? |
| 22:30.30 | buZz | kreyren: if you just demonstrated how accurate you are, i feel for you |
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| 22:31.01 | kreyren | buZz, currently not really usable i am rewriting that for 15th time and i am still not happy with it~ |
| 22:31.18 | freem | fsmithred: I know debian currently proses runit as an init choice |
| 22:31.25 | buZz | ah, also unable to read beside unable to parse :D |
| 22:31.39 | kreyren | it also has openrc but it's implemented as malware that breaks the system~ |
| 22:31.48 | freem | not sure for devuan, but I think the way init stuff is managed is... fragile? |
| 22:31.50 | fsmithred | freem, it's installable in devuan, too. But it will soon be a choice in the installer. |
| 22:32.01 | kreyren | (meaning debian has openrc in it's downstream as alternative init) |
| 22:32.10 | freem | good! Would there be a way to help? |
| 22:32.30 | fsmithred | probably, but I'm not sure what. |
| 22:32.41 | fsmithred | maybe people will need init scripts |
| 22:32.44 | freem | I already use a debian with only runit stuff after all, maybe I could contribute |
| 22:32.45 | fsmithred | and you have some to share |
| 22:33.13 | fsmithred | there are a few people in the community using runit |
| 22:33.22 | fsmithred | on dng mailing list and in forum |
| 22:33.57 | freem | but how is handled multiple init scripts? All bundled in the same deb? |
| 22:34.05 | fsmithred | I assume there will be more when they are presented with a screen during the install |
| 22:34.14 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 22:34.15 | freem | relying on the horrible post/pre-rm/inst scripts? |
| 22:34.37 | fsmithred | or just putting them in different directories, maybe |
| 22:34.57 | fsmithred | the openrc implementation uses sysvinit scripts |
| 22:35.16 | fsmithred | and I know people are working on changing that |
| 22:35.20 | freem | de deb archives can of course do that, but debian relies a lot on those scripts, makes things way too hard imo. But, it's my opinion only. |
| 22:37.29 | freem | notably, I have a working system to link generic log/run files. It's not rocket science, ofc |
| 22:38.58 | freem | http://paste.debian.net/1152253/ |
| 22:39.43 | freem | it's this. It works when used as a simple symlink, and I've actually used it on 2 hardware archs and more than 200 systems. |
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| 22:44.03 | golinux | Why is this discussion on this channel? It is not a support question. |
| 22:44.49 | freem | sorry. Is there is a better place? Could you show it to me? |
| 22:45.29 | golinux | I was thinking of kreyren's blathering about systemd |
| 22:45.36 | freem | oh... |
| 22:45.38 | kreyren | eh? O.o |
| 22:46.14 | kreyren | is focusing on writing the code and doesn't read the chats~ |
| 22:46.52 | golinux | maybe devuan-dev. |
| 22:47.21 | golinux | Though no one here is really interested in putting any energy into systemd |
| 22:48.58 | freem | actually, I think devuan is more interested in staying as close as possible to debian, right? So, except for not installing the systemd service files and the systemd dependency (which is still a useful work, don't take me wrong) I think the goal is to not change stuff? |
| 22:49.06 | freem | am I wrong? |
| 22:49.30 | fsmithred | pretty much right |
| 22:49.43 | fsmithred | provide debian without systemd is the main idea |
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| 22:50.26 | freem | but, it still claims "init independency", so, I think there is a huge problem with how it's done |
| 22:50.48 | freem | pardon me if it's presomptuous, I undertand the many work you already did |
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| 22:51.48 | golinux | systemd does not play well with others. And debian devs are intentionally dismantling non-systemd support. |
| 22:52.23 | golinux | But this is not a topic for this channel |
| 22:53.31 | freem | #devuan-dev you said, then? And I'm not talking about systemd anyway. |
| 22:53.49 | specing | they should adopt dnf and become a proper derivative of centos |
| 22:59.07 | golinux | #devuan-dev is where development happens. systemd is a dean horse here. Please stop beating it. |
| 22:59.19 | golinux | dean > dead |
| 22:59.23 | MinceR | ok, who appointed a horse as Dean? :> |
| 23:00.24 | golinux | My fumbling fingers |
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| 23:06.21 | kreyren | What networking backend should i be using on devuan? I currently have these packages installed http://ix.io/2pib and tor returns http://dpaste.com/14XWCYQ |
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| 23:08.55 | crhylove | Still can't get this beowulf install to change my default audio output device. |
| 23:09.10 | crhylove | I can change the output device in each app, but I can't use the volume knobs anywhere. |
| 23:09.20 | crhylove | ALSA. |
| 23:10.20 | kreyren | (tor is grabbed from upstream designed for debian buster) |
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| 23:11.22 | kreyren | is rebooting sent me a `/msg MemoServ kreyren send msg` plz |
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| 23:12.14 | kreyren_ | is back |
| 23:16.15 | rrq | crhylove: in ~/.asoundrc: defaults.ctl.card 1 ; defaults.pcm.card 1 ; defaults.timer.card 1 ; |
| 23:16.46 | rrq | or was it "2" rather than "1"? |
| 23:22.48 | fsmithred | somebody was 2 |
| 23:23.39 | crhylove | rrq, Thanks! Will try now. |
| 23:23.47 | crhylove | Yeah, 2. |
| 23:24.16 | crhylove | Where do I find .asoundrc? |
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| 23:25.03 | kreyren | ping |
| 23:25.38 | crhylove | pong |
| 23:25.43 | kreyren | crhylove, thanks |
| 23:25.48 | crhylove | yw |
| 23:26.01 | fsmithred | crhylove, in your home directory |
| 23:26.08 | fsmithred | that's what the ~/ means |
| 23:26.41 | kreyren | What networking backend should i be using on devuan assuming that tor fails with http://ix.io/2pif and my packages installed are http://ix.io/2pig ? |
| 23:26.50 | kreyren | assumes that his previous message wasn't sent since he wasn't identified~ |
| 23:27.45 | crhylove | fsmithred, Yeah, it didn't exist so I created it.... Gonna reboot to see if it worked. BRB |
| 23:28.51 | crhylove | Do I need to chown or chmod it? |
| 23:28.56 | crhylove | right now it's root:root |
| 23:29.26 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:29.34 | fsmithred | should be owned by user |
| 23:29.46 | fsmithred | chown you:you .asoundrc |
| 23:30.24 | crhylove | Got it.... |
| 23:30.34 | crhylove | chmod? I just 777.... *shrugs* |
| 23:30.43 | fsmithred | no |
| 23:30.51 | crhylove | 666? |
| 23:31.05 | fsmithred | I would have left it alone |
| 23:31.10 | fsmithred | probably 644 |
| 23:31.15 | MinceR | ⧠|
| 23:31.47 | crhylove | OK, 644'ed it. BRB |
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| 23:34.39 | crhylove | That did not fix it. |
| 23:34.51 | crhylove | However, now I have a speaker icon in the systray. |
| 23:35.09 | crhylove | But I still can't switch outputs in the sound preferences. |
| 23:35.22 | crhylove | what's the command for sound preferences? Maybe if I run it as root? |
| 23:37.01 | crhylove | Google brings up pulse audio.... I'd rather not though. |
| 23:37.05 | crhylove | ALSA ftw. |
| 23:38.52 | crhylove | https://pasteboard.co/JdgMiXS.png |
| 23:42.02 | crhylove | https://pasteboard.co/JdgNA9Z.png |
| 23:42.09 | fsmithred | alsamixer? |
| 23:42.21 | crhylove | Here's the area where the Output can be selected, but doesn't keep. |
| 23:42.50 | crhylove | Unable to locate package alsamixer |
| 23:43.18 | fsmithred | install alsa-utils |
| 23:44.22 | kreyren | Resolved the tor issue by invoking `ip link set lo up` since it was refusing to bind to 192.168.0.0 |
| 23:44.57 | crhylove | package: alsamixergui.... |
| 23:45.11 | fsmithred | yeah, if you want to mouse it |
| 23:45.21 | crhylove | ALSA lib control.c:1271:(snd_ctl_open_conf) type is not defined |
| 23:45.28 | fsmithred | as root: |
| 23:45.35 | fsmithred | lsmod |grep snd |
| 23:46.02 | crhylove | That gives me the big list. |
| 23:46.07 | fsmithred | ok, good |
| 23:46.57 | fsmithred | and every item has 'snd' in it? |
| 23:47.33 | crhylove | Yeah, except the last two: soundcore and usbcore |
| 23:47.42 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:48.03 | fsmithred | and you don't have pulseaudio installed? |
| 23:48.10 | crhylove | don't think so..... |
| 23:52.23 | crhylove | https://pasteboard.co/JdgRMVA.png |
| 23:54.19 | fsmithred | I can't see those |
