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| 01:47.59 | trogplar | my horse for a dtb and uboot and kernel |
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| 03:01.47 | Xenguy | My kingdom for a horse! |
| 03:11.47 | phogg | Xenguy: apt-get install seahorse # best I can do on short notice |
| 03:12.39 | Xenguy | Much better than cowsay phogg , thank you again! |
| 03:13.17 | phogg | when do I get my kingdom? |
| 03:13.34 | Xenguy | The meek shall inherit the earth |
| 03:13.40 | Xenguy | That's when |
| 03:14.13 | Xenguy | Or, that's what they want you to believe |
| 03:14.21 | Xenguy | Stay meek, oh yeah |
| 03:14.23 | phogg | perfect, I'm hella meek |
| 03:14.43 | Xenguy | Meek is where the revolution is not |
| 03:15.01 | Xenguy | But it does help in getting along with other people, no doubt |
| 03:15.30 | Xenguy | But we usually go to #debianfork to chat about off-topic stuff, so we should probably |
| 03:16.50 | trogplar | well i did ubuntu-devuan 'the hard way' but am scared to reboot now |
| 03:17.07 | Xenguy | Scared of what? |
| 03:17.14 | trogplar | but apt update && apt upgrade seems to works |
| 03:17.50 | Xenguy | That's what Debian/Devuan is famous for IMHO, seamless online upgrades... |
| 03:18.15 | Xenguy | I tried out Ubu way back when, and it failed, so I went back to Debian for that hotness |
| 03:18.35 | Xenguy | Of course now I'm here, but same difference |
| 03:18.47 | Xenguy | Almost |
| 03:22.21 | phogg | trogplar: if you didn't screw up the bootloader it should be recoverable in any case. Got a rescue disc/flash drive just in case? |
| 03:22.30 | trogplar | yes |
| 03:22.54 | trogplar | but i really want new kernel so i'll have to lern to build with vendor patches |
| 03:23.14 | trogplar | and i think that means i need to rebuild uboot to use a new kernel or can i use vandor-s supplied uboot |
| 03:23.23 | trogplar | and just change the settings to point to the new kernel? |
| 03:24.07 | trogplar | btw greetings fellow brother-in-'og' |
| 03:25.33 | systemdlete | Interesting. I lost sound in my ascii VM today. I tried all sorts of things to bring it back. I looked at the system logs, the vbox log, double-checked the alsamixer controls. I googled for this and found a ticket which suggested pretty much what I've discovered about this bug: You have to restart the vm. |
| 03:25.49 | systemdlete | OK, fine. SO I try to logout and I'm told input/output error. |
| 03:26.42 | systemdlete | ??? The kern.log shows that there are errors on sata drives... but there might be a problem with that because... uhm. VMs don't have real hardware. So I checked the host kern.log; no errors, no mention of an issue. |
| 03:26.54 | systemdlete | Any ideas before I go hollar on the vbox channel? |
| 03:27.19 | systemdlete | I can't even shut the system down from root because it tells me... uh... input/output error |
| 03:27.29 | systemdlete | My VM is having a very bad day. |
| 03:27.55 | trogplar | maybe the vm image is on a seagate sata drive connected over usb |
| 03:28.13 | systemdlete | maybe. But it isnt. I am using vdi drives |
| 03:28.31 | systemdlete | and even if it were, I'd expect to see errors somewhere on the host, right? |
| 03:28.44 | trogplar | how dare you refute my conjecture with evidence |
| 03:28.46 | systemdlete | (although, usb maybe not) |
| 03:28.48 | trogplar | yes |
| 03:28.50 | systemdlete | so sorry |
| 03:28.56 | systemdlete | didn't mean to offend |
| 03:29.22 | systemdlete | I'm just plain frustrated... and getting pissed. I thought this bug had been fixed long ago. I haven't run into this in a long time |
| 03:29.36 | trogplar | i can't imagine real drive errors being revealed in the vm. it has to be a bug with vbox, it seems |
| 03:29.53 | systemdlete | I tend to think so also. |
| 03:30.19 | systemdlete | I did do an update/upgrade earlier today... |
| 03:30.30 | systemdlete | I don't remember which packages I updated though |
| 03:30.48 | systemdlete | I suppose I could look at the history.log |
| 03:30.49 | trogplar | i'd sell my foot for a good memory |
| 03:30.59 | systemdlete | (me too, trogplar, me too) |
| 03:34.41 | onefang | Might be a corrupted VM disk image? |
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| 06:21.45 | n0a110w | i just stumbled upon this, gopher://46.105.191.76 |
| 06:22.16 | n0a110w | is that an official devuan gopher? |
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| 06:23.24 | n0a110w | s/is/was/ |
| 06:27.08 | gnarface | afaik there was never an official devuan gopher, there was just the one someone put up as an april fool's joke |
| 06:29.17 | n0a110w | i suppose that could still be it, then |
| 06:29.18 | gnarface | i don't know if that is it or not |
| 06:29.45 | n0a110w | it seems to resolve to web.devuan.org |
| 06:31.47 | n0a110w | nevermind that |
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| 07:16.49 | frabbit | is there a way to use libressl instead of openssl in devuan? |
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| 08:36.25 | Hum | I installed docker-ce and cannot remove it now. dpkg -r recommends to reinstall it first to remove it. Aptitude shows Cr as package mode. Do you have hints, how to remove it without reinstalling |
| 08:44.12 | dinoRAWR | i feel bad i have used debian so many years and don't know the answer |
| 08:45.08 | Hurgotron | man dpkg, --force-remove-reinstreq looks promising |
| 08:47.49 | Hum | Hurgotron: Thx, dpkg doesn't work well there. I still have docker-ce |
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| 08:49.09 | Hum | Ahh, I installed the /etc/init.d/docker script manually and now I moved it away and docker-ce was removed |
| 08:49.23 | dinoRAWR | i'm a fan of dpkg -P --force-all but i like breaking stuff |
| 08:49.59 | Hum | dinoRAWR: debian SID ?! ;) |
| 08:50.13 | dinoRAWR | was always a cid kid |
| 08:50.16 | dinoRAWR | sid |
| 08:52.16 | Hum | :D |
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| 09:33.47 | tomtastic | Is ceres chimaera currently? |
| 09:34.49 | dinoRAWR | what does that mean tomtastic ? |
| 09:35.23 | tomtastic | Devuan ceres is like sid right (it always points to unstable) ? |
| 09:35.33 | dinoRAWR | that's what i thought |
| 09:35.33 | xinomilo | yes, ceres = sid |
| 09:35.44 | tomtastic | But Chimaera is the next release after Beowulf |
| 09:36.02 | tomtastic | So, does Ceres point to the same packages as Chimaera currently ? |
| 09:36.47 | dinoRAWR | there is no chimaera currently so |
| 09:38.41 | onefang | Chimaera does exist, though I have no idea if it's in a usable shape. |
| 09:39.57 | dinoRAWR | do i understand right, that when chimera is released, it will have the current packages in sid/ceres? |
| 09:40.12 | dinoRAWR | maybe with a bit of lag |
| 09:40.59 | tomtastic | "Get:11 https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages [7,830 kB]" <-- There's certainly something there.... |
| 09:46.04 | tomtastic | Was just curious, I'll go back to bleeding edge installs from ceres |
| 09:47.19 | tomtastic | I really wish Debian would hurry up and get the nodejs package version bumped up to v12 |
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| 10:21.26 | fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye |
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| 11:22.58 | palinuro | hello everyone |
| 11:24.32 | palinuro | i'm trying to develop an automatic mirror redirector for devuan based on the parrot os infrastructure (mirrorbits+redis+nginx) and i would like to have more detals about the devuan mirror structure and the whole amprolla setup |
| 11:26.53 | onefang | What do you need to know about the mirrors? I can't help much with Amprolla though. |
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| 11:43.30 | palinuro | onefang how do you differentiate the deb repository from the iso archive? does a single repository with both the devuan packages and the merged packages exist in the same pool folder or at least in the same folder tree? and where do i get a full mirrors list of both iso and packages? |
| 11:46.49 | onefang | If a mirror has both packages and ISOs then it will typically have a "devuan" folder for packages, and a "devuan-cd" folder for the ISOs. |
| 11:46.58 | dinoRAWR | i don't understand any of these issues. thank you for devuan. works for me â¢! |
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| 11:48.23 | onefang | Package mirrors have the option of redirecting to Debian package mirrors, redirecting to their own package mirror, or hosting the lot. They redirect on paths with DEBIAN or DEBIAN-SECURITY in them. |
| 11:49.50 | onefang | https://devuan.org/get-devuan is the list of ISO mirrors, and https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is the list of package mirrors. The later is machine readable, I use that for apt-panopticon. |
| 11:50.58 | onefang | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt might be useful to you. |
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| 13:16.39 | palinuro | okok thank you. i have to make 3 different redirection engines for each file tree (iso, devuan debs, debian debs), but if it works it would be very interesting |
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| 13:20.19 | palinuro | onefang, when i try to access a debian package from the devuan merged repository, how is the debian mirror selected? |
| 13:24.16 | onefang | deb.devuan.org is a round robin DNS if you are using that. The specific redirection is up to the mirror, but they should follow the devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt instructions. |
| 13:25.09 | onefang | So /merged/pool/DEBIAN/ -> http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/ and /merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/ -> http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/ |
| 13:25.53 | onefang | But those that have their own Debian mirror as well as the Devuan mirror, would do similar redirects to that Debian mirror. |
| 13:26.23 | onefang | After that it's up to the Debian mirror system to direct things. |
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| 13:38.33 | palinuro | okok got it |
| 13:38.49 | palinuro | so i can do 2 mirrorbits instances instead of 3, way simpler :) |
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| 14:05.38 | Xelraa | is there a pxe installer for devuan? |
| 14:05.50 | Xelraa | when will beuwulf go stable? |
| 14:06.04 | Xelraa | ascii feels too old already |
| 14:08.43 | Hum | after reboot gajim wants to unlock the keyring. I don't use the keyring. If I click cancel gajim crashes. |
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| 14:10.55 | fsmithred | Xelraa, poke around under installer-<ARCH> for pxe boot files |
| 14:11.46 | fsmithred | right now, I think just the live isos are holding up beowulf's release |
| 14:13.15 | Hum | solved by: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GNOME_Schl%C3%BCsselbund/#Keyring-Daemon-deaktivieren |
| 14:15.07 | xinomilo | Hum, in MATE DE installing libpam-gnome-keyring, solves it |
| 14:18.57 | Hum | xinomilo: strange, I deactivate it and it works and you install a package :/ |
| 14:22.47 | xinomilo | deactivate might be better, don't know if anything else requires gnome-keyring |
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| 14:53.41 | palinuro | done :) https://git.devuan.org/palinuro/mirror-director |
| 14:53.43 | palinuro | now testing |
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| 15:04.45 | onefang | palinuro: I'm off to bed. Lemme know how it goes. |
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| 16:00.31 | palinuro | http://devuan.parrot.sh |
| 16:00.44 | palinuro | https cert and cdn coming soon |
| 16:00.49 | palinuro | it's syncing |
| 16:01.14 | crashoverride | is parrot moving away from debian in order to use devuan as a base? |
| 16:01.35 | crashoverride | that would be outstanding news. |
| 16:03.32 | crashoverride | if that happens, I'd be using parrot as my base OS for anything "linux". |
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| 16:08.55 | targz | There was always the possibility of his migration to Devuan, did the day come? |
| 16:09.24 | crashoverride | palinuro: also, since you're here: the anonsurf script connects to start.parrotsec.org/ip/ to get the public IP of the running instance, but that gets redirected to parrotsec.org/ip/ and returns 404. |
| 16:09.57 | crashoverride | not that it's a big deal beacuse that's not the only service returning people's public IP addresses, but it is a bit sad :P |
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| 16:52.33 | palinuro | we are still working on the migration to devuan that would eventually involve our upcoming LTS branch, while the rolling branch will stay on debian |
| 16:53.27 | palinuro | p.s. i will fix the ip retrieval soon. anonsurf is up to receive a big upgrade |
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| 16:59.45 | targz | palinuro: excellent, thanks |
| 17:19.25 | openbsdtai123 | hi, how to run XMMS on devuan ascii ? |
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| 17:21.42 | debdog | mayhap xmms2-launcher |
| 17:22.02 | debdog | or xmms2d |
| 17:22.06 | openbsdtai123 | is not xmms to be deleted ? |
| 17:22.08 | debdog | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/xmms2-core/filelist |
| 17:22.09 | openbsdtai123 | outdate |
| 17:22.25 | openbsdtai123 | xmms is very old |
| 17:23.03 | crashoverride | palinuro: also, currently, if you're up to date with updates, golismero won't install. |
| 17:23.07 | crashoverride | wrong version of python I believe. |
| 17:23.27 | crashoverride | maybe #devuan is the wrong place to report this, but since you're here... |
| 17:48.17 | palinuro | crashoverride, isn't golismero based on python2? because it is deprecated and we are slowly deleting all the python2 packages |
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| 17:59.11 | some_alex | onefang: You said I could talk about setting up a mirror at #devuan-dev, but I'm not permitted to send messages there for some reason. Can unregistered nickname be the problem? |
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| 18:43.51 | openbsdtai123 | Is there a apt-src to compile all like deboostrap using CVS ? |
| 18:44.08 | openbsdtai123 | base system + kernel linux (from cvs and make): |
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| 19:10.27 | crashoverride | yeah I think it is |
| 19:10.50 | crashoverride | palinuro: ^ |
| 19:11.08 | crashoverride | I'll check if I can rewrite it or port it |
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| 20:58.59 | Cynicus | Anyone here manage to get eosio installed on Devuan? |
| 21:13.26 | Cynicus | Is it safe to install ubuntu packages on a Devuan system? |
| 21:21.26 | golinux | No! |
| 21:31.55 | Cynicus | Gotcha. |
| 21:32.18 | Cynicus | Have to do it piecemeal. |
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| 22:22.08 | frabbit | is anyone using surf here from suckless? |
| 22:22.12 | frabbit | https://surf.suckless.org/ |
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| 22:27.02 | sauron- | had no idea that existed |
| 22:27.34 | frabbit | sauron-: i thought frodo and sam defeated u!1! =O |
| 22:28.37 | sauron- | those 2 useless hobbits didnt kill me, it was smeagol |
| 22:29.31 | frabbit | ur right... |
| 22:29.34 | buZz | yeah i use surf every now and then |
| 22:29.43 | frabbit | but smeagol is or was also a hobbit ;) |
| 22:29.46 | buZz | one of the only browsers that really works with touchscreen OOB |
| 22:29.47 | sauron- | i use surfraw |
| 22:29.58 | sauron- | well not all the time |
| 22:30.45 | frabbit | buZz: ah cool. what webkit do u use? |
| 22:30.58 | frabbit | sauron-: surfraw? |
| 22:31.05 | sauron- | yeap |
| 22:31.08 | frabbit | looks 4 surfraw |
| 22:31.42 | buZz | frabbit: i install it from repo |
| 22:32.12 | sauron- | frabbit https://gitlab.com/surfraw/Surfraw |
| 22:32.20 | frabbit | sauron-: interessting =) |
| 22:32.37 | frabbit | buZz: hu? o_0 but that is not safe as i thought..? |
| 22:36.01 | buZz | frabbit: what? |
| 22:36.06 | buZz | i dont know what you think man |
| 22:36.28 | frabbit | buZz: i lost the bookmarks for that issue... D= |
| 22:37.09 | frabbit | it was then when i was using midori, that i red somewhere, that the webkit in the debian repos is old and not secure |
| 22:37.24 | frabbit | man where did i out that?! |
| 22:37.27 | buZz | i'm not using it for anything that requires security |
| 22:38.18 | frabbit | buZz: ok but i want to... |
| 22:38.41 | frabbit | i stopped using luakit for the same reason |
| 22:38.52 | frabbit | also a nice browser |
| 22:38.53 | buZz | i dont even know if it uses -debians- version |
| 22:39.07 | buZz | i just use chromium mostly |
| 22:39.12 | buZz | 579 open tabs atm |
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| 22:40.17 | frabbit | i dont want google |
| 22:41.12 | frabbit | but ff annoyeds me |
| 22:41.40 | frabbit | i dont want bloated sotware |
| 22:42.08 | frabbit | tons of features i didnt asked for and wich are opt put or even hardcoded... |
| 22:42.19 | frabbit | *opt-out |
| 22:42.19 | sauron- | surf is in the repos surf/stable 0.7-2 amd64 |
| 22:42.28 | frabbit | sauron-: i know luakit too ;) |
| 22:42.41 | sauron- | i didnt |
| 22:42.43 | sauron- | lol |
| 22:42.53 | frabbit | but as i said ive red about security problems with that webkit it is using... |
| 22:43.06 | frabbit | sauron-: oh sorry i had to say that |
| 22:43.16 | frabbit | sauron-: please dont hunt me with ur orcs... |
| 22:43.28 | sauron- | frabbit np |
| 22:43.43 | frabbit | =D |
| 22:45.59 | frabbit | ah! |
| 22:46.03 | frabbit | found something |
| 22:46.06 | frabbit | https://luakit.github.io/ |
| 22:46.14 | frabbit | scroll down to "Important WebKit Security Notice" |
| 22:46.36 | frabbit | oh |
| 22:46.44 | frabbit | As of September 2019, Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, and Ubuntu all have the latest version of WebKitGTK+ |
| 22:46.52 | frabbit | thats new xD |
| 22:47.10 | frabbit | but its been a while since i red that, maybe 3 years or so |
| 22:48.08 | frabbit | so i made panic for nothing... whoops.. '^_^ |
| 22:50.44 | buZz | :) |
| 22:53.31 | frabbit | in the past debian was the same like suse |
| 22:53.42 | frabbit | about webkit |
| 22:58.10 | frabbit | hm or the luakit version in the repos is the problem here? its from 2012... |
| 22:58.34 | frabbit | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/luakit_2012.09.13-r1-8+b1.html |
| 22:58.56 | frabbit | libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 |
| 22:59.07 | frabbit | seems like... |
| 23:00.40 | frabbit | surf using higher versions but whats the difference between surf and surf2? |
| 23:00.55 | frabbit | buZz: wich one do u use? |
| 23:05.29 | buZz | surf2 |
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| 23:10.11 | frabbit | buZz: ok and whats the difference? |
| 23:10.24 | frabbit | faster, more secure, more functions |
| 23:14.27 | frabbit | ? |
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| 23:17.14 | buZz | not sure |
| 23:18.00 | frabbit | sauron-: surfraw is pretty cool =D |
| 23:18.31 | frabbit | surfraw -browser=lynx wikipedia surfraw |
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| 23:21.18 | frabbit | buZz: oh take a look at the dependencies, surf2 depends on libs only |
| 23:21.34 | frabbit | surf depneds on curl, stterm, suckless-tools.... |
| 23:22.35 | frabbit | *depends |
| 23:54.45 | g4570n | frabbit: I think it is, because surf2 uses a new gkt webkit engine |
| 23:59.19 | sauron- | frabbit thanks!!!! |
| 23:59.43 | sauron- | glad you liked it. |