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04:57.26jiefk[p]Devuan users, hello ! Not sure if my question is related at all to Devuan, but I'm just seeking for general answers or hints anyway ^^" : How come bash crashes when I remote-detach screen ?
04:57.43jiefk[p]> screen -DRR
04:57.43jiefk[p]> [remote power detached from 10008.pts-1.devuan]
04:57.43jiefk[p]>Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed.
05:00.36trogplarwhy do you need -DRR
05:02.32trogplari suggest raising the issue with screen developers
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05:39.52jiefk[p]An old habit trogplar  :) Also, man screen suggested it some years-time ago
05:40.31jiefk[p]> -D -RR  Attach here and now. Whatever that means, just do it.
05:41.14trogplarmaybe i never have bash crashing cause i don't use it.  that's just a guess though.
05:41.33trogplarsorry i don't know the cause
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06:14.07trogplarThis paper presents a dataset of 174 malicious software packages that were used in real-world attacks on open source software supply chains, and which were distributed via the popular package repositories npm, PyPI, and RubyGems.
06:14.41trogplarhttps://arxiv.org/pdf/2005.09535
06:15.33trogplarpreprint paper.  might be useful if you have a manager who insists pulling in thousands of packages is 'safe'
06:22.37gnarfacetrogplar: that's more of a topic for #debianfork
06:22.53gnarfacejiefk[p]: i don't know, but i'm curious if tmux behaves any better for you
06:33.37trogplarroger that gnarface - i thought some admins in corporate would actually have a use for the info though
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10:11.07openbsdtai123hello
10:12.04openbsdtai123<PROTECTED>
10:12.37openbsdtai123Is it possible to fetch using NCFTP the full arm64 ascii repository? which ftp addr would be recommended ?
10:13.55trogplaropenbsdtai123: afaik most of the packages are hosted on debian's servers
10:14.42trogplarapt mirror would handle this transparently.  so you can make a shared directory on the openbsd server, and apt mirror it to there, using the rpi3b
10:15.02trogplarafaik. i haven't done this myself.
10:15.51openbsdtai123I thought the dir [pool] / packages would be on the NL ftp :  https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/devuan/
10:16.26djphapt-mirror, or apt-cacher-ng, I think
10:17.37xinomilorsync + cron
10:18.55xinomiloapt-cacher-ng is apt proxy/local caching, not offline repo.
10:20.50openbsdtai123I desired to fetch it over ncftp ... with wget -R.
10:24.37xinomilomirrors with ftp enabled are listed here : http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt
10:24.45openbsdtai123thank you
10:25.23openbsdtai123not like this? ncftp ftp.pkgmaster.devuan.org
10:25.32openbsdtai123ah ok
10:25.34openbsdtai123got
10:26.18openbsdtai123seems to work ok, ncftp  ftp.fau.de
10:28.11openbsdtai123seems good and well populated . ncftp ftp.pkgmaster.devuan.org  . super
10:29.52gnarfacexinomilo: apt-cacher-ng does have a mirroring feature though
10:30.19gnarface"Guided precaching (Mirroring)
10:30.19gnarfaceApt-Cacher NG supports a massive download of package files referenced in a specified set of index files. This is configured with the PrecacheFor configuration option (see config examples and manual for details)."
10:30.21openbsdtai123I usually use the ftp, it works over 40 years ;)
10:30.28gnarface"In special cases this feature can be used to create a local partial mirror where the cache internal structure of packages mostly represents the contents of the remote package archive and includes everything apt might want to download."
10:31.21gnarface(there's some option checkboxes and a "Start Mirroring" button under that)
10:31.30xinomilognarface, could be.
10:32.00gnarfacemaybe not the perfect solution but it has the benefit of being easy to set up
10:32.14xinomilobut seems too much trouble, comparing to rsync repo
10:32.25xinomiloi'm using apt-cacher-ng daily
10:32.48xinomilobut without much disk space, so.. weekly cache expiration
10:32.55openbsdtai123On openbsd, I still haven't discovered xz yet ;) old kind of nix :)
10:34.36onefangIt's best to not use pkgmaster for grabbing everything.  That's our central mirror server that all the other mirrors rsync to, and we don't want to overload it with random people downloading the lot.
10:35.39openbsdtai123rsync is indeed for this perfect.
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11:47.32openbsdtai123btw, does teamviewer work on devuan (without systemd)?
11:48.24xinomiloyes, unfortunately..
11:48.46openbsdtai123why unfortunately?
11:48.49xinomilowas looking for a reason not to use it, but it does work
11:48.57xinomilodon't like it really
11:49.07openbsdtai123why?
11:49.17xinomiloproprietary crap
11:49.29xinomilobut without any foss alternatives around...
11:49.30openbsdtai123yep, propr. crap - indeed
11:50.12openbsdtai123good info about TV : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZW6E6Pl0-k
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11:51.14openbsdtai1233 sec:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs7PmoHpNhA
11:52.15bgstack15I use TeamViewer on Devuan, and it works mostly fine. I think my connectivity issue is related to the fact that I have wicd-gtk connect to the network only after I log in my X session.
11:53.27openbsdtai123ask me why people want to use all the time proprietary software? I cannot explain.
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11:57.30xinomiloonce upon a time there was a foss alternative, gitso. gitso didn't need forwarding firewall rules in routers.. like teamviewer. so it was pretty straight forward to use.
11:59.34openbsdtai123I didnt know about gitso. good to hear that attempts. TV is prop. so people run for it. kids ;)
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12:32.52openbsdtai123gitso for teamviewer, what about Skype? Is there an opensource (non sip, but skype like)?
12:33.13trogplarqtox
12:33.34openbsdtai123cool to hear
12:34.46xinomilojitsi meet
12:34.55xinomilogitso is dead for many years now, unusable
12:38.49openbsdtai123does it goes through wall of fire ?
12:40.31onefangJitsi has screen sharing I think.
12:41.15onefangDevuan devs use Jitsi for our weekly video meetings.
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