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| 00:43.29 | mason | Xenguy: Half a sec, had to cower in the cellar for a tornado warning. |
| 00:44.47 | mason | Xenguy: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304101546/http://funroll-loops.info/ |
| 00:45.12 | mason | Xenguy: Anyway, an ironic bit is that there's really no different between a lot of Slackware and Devuan. Both use the Debian base utils directly. |
| 00:47.51 | Xenguy | mason: Good to know. Good luck with the tornado : -) |
| 00:47.59 | mason | Xenguy: It's passed now. |
| 00:48.07 | mason | Not even rain any more. |
| 00:48.08 | Xenguy | Phew |
| 00:48.17 | mason | Power blinked madly but it's gone on east now. |
| 00:48.21 | Xenguy | The Fickle Finger of Fate |
| 00:48.23 | mason | Alright, back to bedtime stories for the girls. o/ |
| 00:48.26 | mason | Xenguy: Yep! |
| 00:48.29 | Xenguy | TTYL |
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| 01:24.26 | systemdlete | mason: I might just have it now. Yesterday, I modified the lightdm.conf file. I restored it. So far, so good... |
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| 01:24.45 | systemdlete | Sorry, I really had made a LOT of changes. My bad(s). |
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| 02:03.33 | mason | systemdlete: No worries. Although I'm still stuck on the notion of that resolution change being involved. |
| 02:04.15 | systemdlete | well, there really IS a resolution change. It's due to the fact that, when switching between console and X, there is a change of resolution. |
| 02:04.35 | mason | Ah, effect, not cause? |
| 02:04.35 | systemdlete | I think that is the vbox video drivers simulating the changes. |
| 02:04.37 | mason | hm |
| 02:04.44 | systemdlete | (my theory) |
| 02:04.50 | mason | Valid. |
| 02:06.25 | systemdlete | It's been up for over an hour without incident. |
| 02:06.30 | systemdlete | crosses fingers |
| 02:06.41 | systemdlete | crosses legs, eyes |
| 02:06.47 | systemdlete | toes |
| 02:06.52 | mason | I think moving to another virtualization platform is a good idea regardless. |
| 02:07.44 | systemdlete | I'm investigatng it. Thing is, I have to make friends with new tech before I jump on board. So I do a lot of reading first, then testing, hopefully remembering to do it in a test environment first... |
| 02:08.10 | mason | I'm the same way. Takes me forever to rely on something new. |
| 02:36.27 | systemdlete | It's open source... which means, on the one hand, we should expect high quality software in most cases, but on the other hand, sometimes there are limits to what these things can actually do. And there's always bugs or other problems. I wouldn't trade open for the world, but I still like to be thorough. |
| 02:37.04 | systemdlete | I mean, just look at all the fun we've had today trying to figure out what I'd done. In this case it was op error, but I am always finding bugs and reporting them. |
| 02:37.44 | systemdlete | pebcak |
| 02:55.09 | mason | Being a bug magnet is useful. Makes the world a better place when you report the bugs. |
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| 03:23.11 | bgstack15 | it's not about the openness of the source code; it's about the RTFMness of the admin. |
| 03:23.25 | bgstack15 | and completeness of the man pages |
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| 03:33.46 | systemdlete | and the CLARITY of the man pages. I find many man pages are written very clumsily. |
| 03:34.28 | systemdlete | Sorry, but that has been my experience. And that goes for Unix as well as Linux. I find the web-based docs and wikis more useful for anything larger than a command line scripting filter. |
| 03:35.20 | onefang | There's lots of badly written docs out there, no matter what the operating system. |
| 03:37.26 | systemdlete | No kidding. But poor writing doesn't end there... anyone read online news? Some of those writers have no command of English, and most of the work needs an EDITOR badly. |
| 03:38.27 | golinux | Humans are getting stupider thanks to the machine |
| 03:38.39 | golinux | It's going to come bite us |
| 03:38.41 | systemdlete | If I have to read something 3 times to understand what the writer was trying to say, there is a problem. I only have this issue with SOME, not all, writing. So I conclude it is not me. |
| 03:39.33 | systemdlete | anyway, mason: I agree with you. My main contribution is submitting bugs. And I do my best to be clear, concise, and thorough. I try to remember to include relevant logs and other media. |
| 03:41.10 | systemdlete | Unfortuntely, though, despite my most fervid attempts, I find some tracker overlords do not take lightly to having their software criticised by even the most reproducible bugs and crashes. I am told by one, recently, that since no one else has a problem with their UI, they won't fix it. Despite it being confusing. |
| 03:41.19 | systemdlete | Oh well. |
| 03:41.24 | systemdlete | I can only do what I can do, right? |
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| 03:47.12 | man_in_shack | yeah i've seen that attitude too on occasion |
| 03:47.34 | man_in_shack | as for online news, really depends on what you're reading |
| 03:48.18 | systemdlete | there are for, example commas but, in the wrong places. |
| 03:48.23 | man_in_shack | most traditional news companies have fired a huge chunk of editorial staff and journos to increase profit margins |
| 03:48.46 | systemdlete | It's a good thing, otherwise we would no longer get to enjoy their work. (not) |
| 03:48.58 | systemdlete | but this is really fork stuff... |
| 03:50.44 | golinux | systemdlete: Like after a conjunction. Drives me crazy |
| 03:51.39 | systemdlete | I had English grammar in 10th grade with the most hated teacher in my HS. Everyone dreaded taking her class. But I have to admit, after all that, I *finally* understood grammar. |
| 03:51.40 | golinux | And that you for realizing what channel you weren't on. LOL! |
| 03:51.56 | golinux | I got it in the 4th grade. |
| 03:51.58 | systemdlete | Taking a second language helps a bit too, though not so much with punctuation. |
| 03:52.09 | golinux | Let's put a fork in it |
| 03:52.28 | systemdlete | Oh, I had it in 4th grade also. And again in other grades. But it was that class that finally put a fork in it for me. |
| 03:52.31 | golinux | that > thank |
| 03:52.32 | systemdlete | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.53 | systemdlete | heads to the debianfork channel |
| 03:58.19 | man_in_shack | i prefer debiansplades, personally |
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| 19:52.48 | rad | Upgrade to beowulf was almost flawless. The only thing that didn't work was that chromium had no sound. For some reason pulseaudio got reinstalled during the upgrade, I just removed it and got my sound back. I need to change the sample rate of ALSA though because I hear a tiny gap every few seconds. |
| 19:53.10 | rad | Now I'm trying to upgrade a raspberry installation to beowulf. |
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| 20:05.22 | rad | The sshd config file in beowulf arm64 seems to be quite different from the one that came with ascii raspi3. |
| 20:06.14 | gnarface | rad: the ARM images are fairly heavily customized by the volunteers that put them together, while the sshd in the x86/x86_64 images is the stock Debian one |
| 20:06.28 | gnarface | sshd_config* |
| 20:07.33 | gnarface | rad: (there is also a #devuan-arm channel just fyi) |
| 20:08.12 | rad | It "UsePAM yes" instead of "no" like it was. It removes "Uselogin no" and "UsePrivilegeSeparation sandbox". Actually that's all the changes I see. Yeah I thought they'd be customized to allow SSH setup of the raspi without a screen. I'll keep the local version. |
| 20:08.30 | rad | oh I'll join that channel and paste my message there. :-) Thank you. |
| 20:10.12 | rad | Ah can't join it, needs to be identified and can't do it right now. I'll do it after I finish the setup. |
| 20:30.25 | fsmithred | those changes are in the amd64 sshd_config, too |
| 20:32.24 | rad | the ones I had locally are also in amd64? but somehow are not in arm64 beowulf? |
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| 21:11.29 | rad | xfce on beowuld on a raspi3 seems to work just fine. I'll dump an image of my sd card and then try to install drivers for a 3.5 inch screen and I'll have pocket devuan with me at all times hohoho |
| 21:27.56 | gnarface | congrats rad |
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| 22:45.21 | bsd4me | fsmithred, I'm trying to run gparted on updated refracta, but get "usr/sbin/gparted: 78: /usr/sbin/gparted: pkexec: not found" |
| 22:46.08 | buZz | maybe pkexec is not found |
| 22:47.09 | bsd4me | couldn't locate it, but couldn't find it via apt either |
| 22:49.56 | debdog | pk == policy kit? |
| 22:50.42 | debdog | https://packages.debian.org/buster/amd64/policykit-1/filelist |
| 22:53.27 | bsd4me | Thanks! See it. Now a newbie question. How do I fix that? |
| 22:53.45 | debdog | hehe, good question :) |
| 22:54.10 | bsd4me | :) |
| 22:54.25 | bsd4me | Guess, I'll not use it for a while |
| 22:54.55 | bsd4me | normally use cfdisk anyway |
| 23:00.52 | fsmithred | trying to start gparted from menu? |
| 23:01.11 | fsmithred | and when you say updated refracta, do you mean refracta10-beta3? |
| 23:01.41 | fsmithred | bsd4me, ^^^ |
| 23:02.35 | bsd4me | ugh, let me check. Been installed for few months...forget :) |
| 23:02.44 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:02.47 | fsmithred | which kernel? |
| 23:02.55 | fsmithred | 4.9 or 4.19? |
| 23:02.57 | bsd4me | tried starting from menu and cli |
| 23:03.02 | bsd4me | 5.3 |
| 23:03.05 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:03.16 | fsmithred | gparted-pkexec should start it from terminal |
| 23:03.42 | fsmithred | if you're user |
| 23:03.44 | bsd4me | nope. Thats where I got the error |
| 23:04.30 | bsd4me | Linux refracta 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:05.00 | fsmithred | this system I'm running doesn't have gparted-pkexec either |
| 23:05.24 | fsmithred | was installed back in december and it's refracta beowulf, but I dont' recall how I got here. |
| 23:05.37 | fsmithred | anyway, just su and run gparted |
| 23:06.14 | bsd4me | sorry, how do I open display? Never had to do that |
| 23:06.38 | fsmithred | there's a little black rectangle in the top panel, next to the apps menu |
| 23:06.41 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:06.43 | fsmithred | display |
| 23:06.55 | fsmithred | startx? |
| 23:07.30 | bsd4me | oh, ok. I was looking for something like gksu |
| 23:07.43 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:07.52 | fsmithred | are you already on a desktop? |
| 23:07.55 | bsd4me | Guess I can logout, then login as root |
| 23:07.56 | bsd4me | yes |
| 23:08.00 | fsmithred | no!!! |
| 23:08.06 | bsd4me | ok |
| 23:08.10 | fsmithred | just open a terminal, become root and start gparted |
| 23:08.41 | bsd4me | (gpartedbin:20859): Gtk-WARNING **: 15:08:28.090: cannot open display: |
| 23:09.26 | fsmithred | echo "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" >> /etc/default/su |
| 23:09.42 | fsmithred | then log out of root and su again |
| 23:10.43 | fsmithred | you're doing su, not 'su -' right? |
| 23:11.09 | bsd4me | no. su - |
| 23:11.22 | fsmithred | that won't work. Don't bother with the echo. |
| 23:11.23 | bsd4me | what I used |
| 23:11.27 | bsd4me | ok |
| 23:11.28 | fsmithred | just exit and then su |
| 23:11.48 | fsmithred | so you keep user's environment |
| 23:11.53 | bsd4me | Got it! Thanks :) |
| 23:13.00 | fsmithred | and contrary to what I may have said weeks or months ago, which you probably didn't hear, copying user's .Xuathority to /root does still work |
| 23:13.10 | fsmithred | (or maybe it works again) |
| 23:13.28 | fsmithred | and I didn't spell that right |
| 23:13.35 | bsd4me | Missed that and will do that! |
| 23:14.33 | fsmithred | in the new refracta beowulf isos, gparted does start from the menu |
| 23:15.18 | bsd4me | :) oh, with new isos, will there be a newer kernel? Just curious |
| 23:15.36 | fsmithred | no, there will be an older kernel |
| 23:15.41 | fsmithred | lol, older than yours |
| 23:15.50 | bsd4me | ok, np |
| 23:15.50 | fsmithred | stock beowulf 4.19-whatever |
| 23:16.11 | fsmithred | unless it turns out the new kernel fixes a particular issue that's bugging me |
| 23:16.13 | bsd4me | lol, this is the kernel that came with the iso I downloaded |
| 23:16.22 | bsd4me | ok. Understand that. |
| 23:16.29 | fsmithred | wtf backports iso did I make?? |
| 23:17.24 | bsd4me | No idea. Got it from a site you told me to try, since older kernels don't work on this lenova ideapad 320 |
| 23:17.53 | fsmithred | this has openbox instead of xfce? |
| 23:18.12 | bsd4me | Well, they work, but need a bunch of additions/switches |
| 23:18.18 | bsd4me | yes |
| 23:18.31 | fsmithred | ok, I know which one it is |
| 23:19.09 | fsmithred | you might need to add policykit-1-gnome to get gparted-pkexec |
| 23:19.19 | bsd4me | Been working great for me |
| 23:19.32 | bsd4me | ok |
| 23:20.06 | fsmithred | I'm not sure how much other crap that will pull in |
| 23:21.12 | bsd4me | about a dozen or so. Removes libsystemd() |
| 23:21.29 | fsmithred | replaces it with libelogind0? |
| 23:21.33 | bsd4me | yes |
| 23:24.00 | fsmithred | I just booted the iso I think you used |
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| 23:24.25 | fsmithred | it's pretty lean - no elogind, consolekit or policykit. |
| 23:24.47 | bsd4me | yes, lean for sure, but working fine for me. |
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