| 00:00.34 | systemdlete | gee... I smell... electronics? |
| 00:00.42 | systemdlete | it's rebooting now |
| 00:01.01 | systemdlete | (maybe the lighter fluid I was testing earlier, so maybe not the board) |
| 00:02.31 | systemdlete | turns out that it upgraded the older kernel from main, not backports |
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| 00:02.59 | systemdlete | Again, I was not watching CAREfully this time I did the upgrade. I know I need to start paying more attention to those details. |
| 00:03.18 | systemdlete | but it is up and running and it seems pretty happy with itself |
| 00:03.47 | gnarface | so "uname -a" tells you it's running the 5.4.x kernel, and the display is just magically back? |
| 00:04.31 | gnarface | at this point i couldn't even rule out a failing power supply |
| 00:04.36 | systemdlete | gnarface: Looks like it was the nvidia driver, though. I am running apt autoremove, and it is posting messages about removing the older nvidia driver |
| 00:04.46 | systemdlete | 5.4.0 still, yes |
| 00:05.06 | gnarface | hmm, a munge of multiple versions of the nvidia driver components could also mess up thing |
| 00:05.07 | systemdlete | s/is black/was black/ |
| 00:05.08 | gnarface | things |
| 00:05.14 | systemdlete | (before reboot) |
| 00:05.33 | systemdlete | oh back, not black |
| 00:05.34 | systemdlete | nvm |
| 00:05.40 | systemdlete | (need new glasses here) |
| 00:06.02 | fsmithred | yeah, the regular beowulf kernel got an upgrade. Backports kernel is always later. |
| 00:06.23 | systemdlete | Yeah, something went terribly awry during the update, and because I was here chatting, I did not get to see the last thing that happened during the upgrade |
| 00:07.08 | systemdlete | Yes, rebooting brought my display back on the testbox |
| 00:07.45 | systemdlete | for now, the ethernet port is working |
| 00:08.13 | gnarface | well i now realize i've spent the bulk of the day cleaning up Nvidia's mess |
| 00:08.19 | gnarface | i think i'm going to take a break guys |
| 00:08.28 | systemdlete | sorry gnarface |
| 00:08.30 | fsmithred | g'night |
| 00:08.36 | gnarface | not your fault systemdlete |
| 00:08.38 | gnarface | food time |
| 00:09.01 | systemdlete | gnarface: thanks for the help |
| 00:09.13 | gnarface | np |
| 00:09.21 | systemdlete | fsmithred: Didn't mean to sound like I am kicking devuan. |
| 00:09.34 | fsmithred | I didn't get that |
| 00:09.39 | systemdlete | ok, good |
| 00:09.45 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Any idea if Ascii is still receiving kernel updates? |
| 00:09.54 | fsmithred | and right now, I'm ready to kick someone or something |
| 00:10.04 | Xenguy | kick me! |
| 00:10.12 | fsmithred | probably won't help |
| 00:10.23 | systemdlete | you guys do this just for kicks? |
| 00:10.27 | fsmithred | problems with live isos |
| 00:10.45 | fsmithred | well, I'm not getting paid to be here |
| 00:10.51 | Xenguy | Anyone know if Ascii is still getting kernel updates then? |
| 00:11.15 | systemdlete | I'm guessing if debian v9 is getting kernel updates, probably we are too, right? |
| 00:11.15 | Xenguy | Or are you folks mostly on Beowulf? |
| 00:11.26 | fsmithred | booting ascii now |
| 00:11.45 | Xenguy | I don't know the correspondences well enough to say |
| 00:11.48 | systemdlete | Xenguy: Nah. I'm still running mostly ascii here. I have a few beowulfs laying around just for testing, for "kicks" |
| 00:11.57 | fsmithred | been running beowulf since beginning of this year |
| 00:12.33 | systemdlete | the system I was having problems with the NIC though is beowulf |
| 00:12.42 | Xenguy | Are there issues with Beowulf that don't plague Ascii? I thought I may have seen some chatter about that, but I'm short on details |
| 00:13.10 | Xenguy | systemdlete: In this age of COVID, I'm alive and kicking! |
| 00:13.24 | systemdlete | good to hear. Me too. |
| 00:13.31 | systemdlete | Everyone stay well. PLEASE. |
| 00:13.41 | Xenguy | So far so good. So mote it be. |
| 00:14.02 | fsmithred | no kernel upgrade in ascii right now |
| 00:14.25 | fsmithred | last two in beowulf were Apr 27 and again after that, probably today or yesterday |
| 00:14.28 | Xenguy | fsmithred: So you mean that Ascii is no longer receiving kernel updates, or ...? |
| 00:14.39 | fsmithred | no, I mean there's no upgrade pending |
| 00:14.49 | fsmithred | nothing in repo |
| 00:14.54 | Xenguy | So it could come yet, but it's really late? |
| 00:15.08 | fsmithred | yeah, they work their way down from sid |
| 00:15.18 | Xenguy | I see, hrm |
| 00:15.23 | systemdlete | Or it could come yet... but we don't know when because no update has been issued for debian |
| 00:15.32 | fsmithred | check the debian security page for kernel |
| 00:16.14 | Xenguy | Okay, I'll do more searching. I assumed it was a binary question when I asked, but it seems the devil is in the details, as usual. |
| 00:16.24 | Xenguy | Thanks for all responses received. |
| 00:16.32 | systemdlete | the devil is in the Debian |
| 00:16.50 | systemdlete | and at least 23 other major distros |
| 00:16.52 | fsmithred | https://www.debian.org/security/2020/dsa-4667 |
| 00:16.54 | Xenguy | I still have the coffee mug; my how things can change over the years |
| 00:17.14 | systemdlete | I would return it and ask for a refund |
| 00:17.22 | fsmithred | check the links for each CVE listed on that page |
| 00:17.26 | systemdlete | I wouldn't drink perfectly good coffee from a Debian mug |
| 00:17.51 | systemdlete | It could ruin the experience |
| 00:18.31 | systemdlete | Devuan is more like fair trade coffee. Respect for indigenous Unix systems, etc. |
| 00:18.33 | Xenguy | systemdlete: It used to be such a pleasure, see? |
| 00:19.01 | systemdlete | We'd better be careful, Xenguy. A certain channel mod will be here soon to tell us to move it to fork |
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| 00:19.41 | Xenguy | fsmithred: OK, will have a look. I think I'm also going to find the Debian web page that explains which distros are *not* getting kernel/security updates any longer. Been under a rock for awhile. |
| 00:20.13 | Xenguy | Well then I need to get a Devuan coffee mug, and then we'd be back on topic : -) |
| 00:20.15 | fsmithred | ascii should still be getting them. |
| 00:20.26 | fsmithred | jessie should still be getting them until June |
| 00:20.35 | Xenguy | Where's the merch folks? :P |
| 00:20.46 | systemdlete | fsmithred: Are Devuan coffee mugs still getting refills? |
| 00:21.03 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Bingo, thanks for the confirmation, I was just a bit concerned, cos it's been awhile without a fix. |
| 00:21.57 | fsmithred | check the main site to find merchandise |
| 00:22.00 | Xenguy | I want a black Devuan coffee mug, and I want the baseball hat, and also the T-shirt. My credit card is ready and waiting. |
| 00:22.12 | Xenguy | Really, I *have* been living under a rock then. |
| 00:22.42 | Xenguy | Thanks fsmithred |
| 00:23.00 | Xenguy | Cheers all |
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| 00:36.01 | meep_____ | What does Devuan flavored coffee taste like? |
| 00:36.15 | meep_____ | Devuan beans |
| 00:36.57 | meep_____ | I would assume mostly robusta, but with a tad of OpenRCica |
| 00:37.33 | meep_____ | Full house |
| 00:38.54 | golinux | That's way too 'buntardish for me |
| 00:40.09 | onefang | And way too OT for me. |
| 00:41.05 | systemdlete | crap. Rebooted the testbox and the nic is dead again |
| 00:41.09 | meep_____ | OT? |
| 00:41.30 | onefang | Off Topic. |
| 00:41.43 | systemdlete | golinux? |
| 00:42.10 | systemdlete | participating in, and possibly promoting, OT discussion in #devuan? Hmmmm. |
| 00:42.35 | systemdlete | Where is your badge? And why are you out of uniform here today? |
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| 00:44.50 | systemdlete | fsmithred: I upgraded the firmware for the NIC. This seems to happen intermittently. I can boot several times, no problem. But once in a while, the NIC does not come up. |
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| 02:17.16 | ux_man | id |
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| 03:10.16 | systemdlete | fsmithred: See https://askubuntu.com/questions/372363/what-does-r8169-cant-disable-aspm-os-doesnt-have-aspm-control-really-mean#372387. It's for ubuntu, but maybe the same utilities are available on generic debian? |
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| 07:53.41 | ilia | Hello, I get problems with Bluman at Devuan 3 |
| 07:55.13 | meep_____ | Disease |
| 07:56.15 | ilia | am I not the only one? |
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| 08:08.49 | Licencode | In the future, blueman will be available at Devuan 3 |
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| 08:23.40 | systemdlete | When I attempt to install xfswitch-plugin, it wants to haul in almost 200 packages! |
| 08:23.51 | systemdlete | (xfce4 is already installed and working fine for montns) |
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| 08:24.12 | systemdlete | including avahi! |
| 08:25.23 | systemdlete | is there a better way to support switching users from the desktop? On other distros, I vaguely recall being able to select "Log Out" and getting a dialog, and one of the options is switch user. But I forget which DE that was or which distro(s). |
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| 08:56.49 | systemdlete | ah. xfce action buttons. But the switch user item is disabled... |
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| 09:41.25 | systemdlete | with zenity and dm-tool, I am slowly creating my own simple 2 or 3 liner to switch users without having to install all of gnomedom |
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| 09:55.22 | rad_ | Hi. Seems like the Chromium in the repos is old a bit buggy. Has anyone gotten newer version of it running? Or should install the spyware version from google? :-P |
| 09:56.40 | gnarface | check to see if there is a newer one in backports |
| 09:57.13 | rad_ | I've added the repo but Synaptic shows only two available versions, the stardard one and one from the "security" repo/namespace/whatyoucallit. |
| 09:57.22 | xinomilo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=chromium |
| 09:57.28 | rad_ | I have the one from security, which the latest of the two. |
| 09:57.47 | xinomilo | you could upgrade to beowulf... |
| 09:57.47 | rad_ | [ascii-security] chromium-73.0.3683.75-1~deb9u1 |
| 09:57.51 | rad_ | I think that's the one I have. |
| 09:58.10 | rad_ | oh beowulf has v80. |
| 10:01.00 | rad_ | yeah maybe I'll try beowulf in the weekend then. I'll be doing a full backup so I can play around. I'm planning to see if FreeBSD runs on my laptop as well, so I can also play with other Devual versions. I'm thinking of going back to an XFCE install, I'm not very happy with MATE on Devuan. XFCE seemed to be working better. |
| 10:02.54 | xinomilo | MATE from beowulf or ceres, runs much better |
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| 10:04.47 | rad_ | It runs fine on ascii, in fact some bugs that exist on a newer MATE version on Linux Mint don't exist on this version on ascii. But like half the settings in the control center don't work! Mouse acceleration doesn't work (fixed that with your help here some weeks ago), subpixel smoothing doesn't work. And I think some other things behave as if they don't change anything. |
| 10:05.18 | rad_ | XFCE also had issues with configuring mouse speed (but I know how to fix that now) but subpixel smoothing worked perfectly. |
| 10:06.10 | rad_ | Also something unrelated, when I installed with the GUI installer of ascii, I was able to do full disk encryption, INCLUDING the boot partition (well boot and / was the same partition). |
| 10:07.12 | rad_ | I didn't even know this was possible on linux. It was asking for password twice but I liked the idea of having no unencrypted partitions. I wasn't able to do the same with the netinst though. I went for the usual encrypted / unencryped /boot. |
| 10:26.54 | rad_ | xinomilo, do you speak greek? |
| 10:27.02 | xinomilo | ναι |
| 10:27.13 | rad_ | και εγÏ. :-) |
| 10:28.05 | xinomilo | Ïαιζει να ναι και αλλ@ αÏο ελλαδιÏÏαν, αλλα Î±Ï Î¼Î· ÏÏαμαÏοÏ
με.. :) |
| 10:28.44 | rad_ | ok. |
| 10:32.40 | xinomilo | οÏι Ïε αÏ
Ïο Ïο καναλι ÏοÏ
λαÏιÏÏον... :) |
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| 10:58.04 | systemdlete | My user switcher is working, and I think it is pretty generic. Just had to create a button for the script and pick an appropriate icon for it. http://paste.debian.net/1146690/ |
| 10:58.24 | systemdlete | It can probably use more refinements, but it works well enough for me. |
| 10:59.15 | systemdlete | There's probably umpteen better ways to do it, I admit. |
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| 12:26.34 | fsmithred | systemdlete, I downloaded the debs for fwts(for 18.0?) and they install and run in beowulf with stock kernel. I did this in a booted live-iso in qemu. It seemed to all work ok, but no guarantees. (dpkg -i *.deb a couple of times, then apt-get -f install - or use gdebi) |
| 12:27.54 | fsmithred | or you could look at the git source and figure out what actual tests they're using. A lot of them are probably in the repo or installed already. |
| 12:31.06 | fsmithred | oh, this is an installed system in a VM, not a live-iso. |
| 12:42.23 | fsmithred | rad_, only the live installer (refractainstaller) does encryption that includes /boot. |
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| 13:58.04 | rad_ | fsmithred, I see. It's a very nice installer then. It seems like a bunch of scripts put together in a list with checkboxes but it's surprisingly capable! I've never seen a distro doing full disk encryption, including /boot. |
| 13:58.45 | fsmithred | glad you like it. :) |
| 13:59.09 | fsmithred | it's one (ugly) script that has grown over the years. |
| 14:02.04 | rad_ | Se regarding beowulf, is it still beta or something? |
| 14:02.10 | rad_ | so* |
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| 14:02.33 | rad_ | And if so, how unstable/stable is it for you that have tried it? |
| 14:03.06 | fsmithred | the installation media are all beta |
| 14:03.33 | fsmithred | most people running beowulf report great stability |
| 14:03.44 | fsmithred | (me included) |
| 14:03.58 | rad_ | Does Devuan in general provide an updater or should I just replace my repos and do a dist-upgrade? Actually never mind I'll just try it anyhow. :-P |
| 14:04.13 | fsmithred | are you running ascii? |
| 14:04.18 | rad_ | Yeap. |
| 14:04.21 | fsmithred | if so, see the upgrade guide. |
| 14:04.23 | fsmithred | one sec |
| 14:04.54 | fsmithred | https://beta.devuan.org/os/install |
| 14:05.13 | fsmithred | beta.devuan.org will become devuan.org when beowulf is no longer beta |
| 14:06.19 | fsmithred | rad, what desktop do you use? |
| 14:06.54 | rad_ | So beowulf is based on buster, so when buster becomes stable, beowulf will be stable (and that's what you mean out of beta I assume). And ceres is always based on sid like sid always stays sid? |
| 14:06.57 | rad_ | I'm on MATE right now. |
| 14:07.08 | rad_ | Coming from Linux Mint MATE, I really like MATE. |
| 14:07.45 | fsmithred | Buster became stable about a year ago. We are always behind debian on the release. |
| 14:08.05 | rad_ | Ah that's why Raspbian is based on buster for some time then. |
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| 14:13.02 | rad_ | Thank you for the link to the guide btw. It has some extra steps that I didn't think about. :-) |
| 14:13.07 | fsmithred | you can search the forum for upgrade reports |
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| 16:45.59 | nemo | hm. I wonder why devuan does not automatically delete the .deb cache when the filesystem runs out of space |
| 16:46.07 | nemo | (when the cache is on the same partition) |
| 16:51.23 | fsmithred | I thought the default was not to save the .debs |
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| 16:52.06 | fsmithred | nemo, are you running pure devuan or one of the derivatives. I changed it in Refracta so that the packages are kept. |
| 16:52.31 | bart80 | Hello, iam tring to install Devuan on my X250. Its really not my first Linux installation, but i dont get it running. I tried first the full ISO, copied to an USB stick with dd. When i trie to install in this way, the installer means that he cannot find the cd-rom. Then i tried the live installer. Used GParted to create the msdos partition table |
| 16:52.31 | bart80 | and two partitions. boot and root. when i trie to install grub over the "copy files" function an error occured. secure boot and uefi is off! |
| 16:53.14 | fsmithred | what error, bart80? |
| 16:53.33 | bart80 | :-D Thats exact the problem |
| 16:53.40 | bart80 | i did not found the logfile |
| 16:53.42 | nemo | fsmithred: ummm it was an old ascii install of devuan |
| 16:53.53 | nemo | fsmithred: just noticed it on my dev instance at work that was running out of space |
| 16:53.54 | bart80 | yes ascii |
| 16:53.58 | nemo | fsmithred: had 4 gigs of .debs |
| 16:54.04 | fsmithred | wow |
| 16:54.37 | bart80 | the installer is still running. In /target/home/devuan i found no log |
| 16:54.43 | bart80 | any idea? |
| 16:54.56 | fsmithred | nemo, somewhere in man apt.conf or man apt_preferences you'll find a way to change that |
| 16:55.06 | slvr | what was the dd command used to write the stick? |
| 16:55.15 | fsmithred | bart80, yeah, that's my installer, so I might have lots of ideas |
| 16:55.19 | nemo | fsmithred: kk thx |
| 16:55.28 | bart80 | :-D cool |
| 16:55.59 | bart80 | dd if=ISOFILE of=/dev/sdx status=progress |
| 16:56.07 | fsmithred | dd if=file.iso of=/dev/whatever-but-it-better-be-the-right-one |
| 16:56.37 | bart80 | when this would be wrong i could not write to you ;-) |
| 16:56.38 | slvr | I have had a lot of problems with dd writing into the buffer and not to the stick. |
| 16:56.43 | fsmithred | bart80, open another terminal and read /var/log/refractainstaller |
| 16:56.43 | slvr | try conv=sync |
| 16:57.14 | fsmithred | when dd is done writing, run sync |
| 16:57.34 | slvr | also wipe the stick completely before writing to it. old partition tables at the end of the disk could cause problems. |
| 16:57.45 | fsmithred | bart80, go right to the end of the log for the grub errors |
| 16:58.32 | slvr | Additionally, I like to wipe the stick in a different machine, or at the very least remove and plug the stick back in after a wipe to force the partition table for the device to be re-probed. |
| 16:59.06 | fsmithred | or run partprobe after writing partitions |
| 16:59.17 | bart80 | (yad:4742): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_source_remove: assertion 'tag > 0' failed+ install_part=/dev/mapper/root_fs+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]+ mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/mapper/root_fsmke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)+ mount /dev/mapper/root_fs /target+ check_exit+ exit_code=0+ [[ 0 -ne 0 ]]+ [[ -n '' ]]+ [[ -n /dev/sda1 ]]+ mkdir /target_boot+ check_exit+ exit_code=0+ [[ 0 |
| 16:59.18 | bart80 | -ne 0 ]]+ [[ '' != \y\e\s ]]+ mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/sda1mke2fs 1.43.4 (31-Jan-2017)+ mount /dev/sda1 /target_boot+ sep_boot_opt='--exclude=/boot/*'+ tee /dev/fd/63++ yad --progress --pulsate --width=350 --auto-close '--title=Copying system to new partition.'+ rsync -av / /target/ '--filter=P lost+found' '--filter=H lost+found' |
| 16:59.18 | bart80 | --exclude-from=/usr/lib/refractainstaller/installer_exclude.list '--exclude=/boot/*' --delete-before --delete-excludedtee: 'standard output': Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:59.21 | iv4nshm4k0v | Or partx(8). |
| 16:59.24 | bart80 | last entry in log |
| 16:59.24 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 16:59.28 | slvr | that works usually but partprobe often fails for me. |
| 16:59.31 | fsmithred | careful bart80 we have a sentry bot |
| 16:59.50 | slvr | tldr I no longer trust it |
| 17:00.47 | fsmithred | slvr, you don't need to read what bart posted - that's for me |
| 17:01.10 | slvr | no worries. Looks like regex soup. |
| 17:01.25 | fsmithred | more like set -x soup |
| 17:01.34 | slvr | delicious |
| 17:02.54 | bart80 | partprobe give me errors, but not on the install device. Only on the usb stick ... |
| 17:03.23 | slvr | yeah, once it gets in a bad state, it's best to just no longer rely on it, in my experience. |
| 17:04.05 | slvr | Do the wipe, unplug/replug, confirm it is wiped, and then write with dd if=image of=device status=progress conv=sync bs=1M |
| 17:04.39 | slvr | That works well on my beowulf desktop that is pesky with usb image writes. |
| 17:05.48 | slvr | I think my problems might be related to filesystems on the stick being automounted. running umount on them doesn't seem to always be enough to make the disk free for an image write. I wish I knew why. |
| 17:09.21 | bart80 | sorry, i was in the wrong logfile. Last error message was from /target ... |
| 17:09.31 | bart80 | here from /var/log... |
| 17:09.34 | bart80 | Continue: will proceed whether or not you have installed a bootloader. If not,you will need to have another way to boot this installation.Abort: will exit the installer and abort the installation.' '--button=Copy files:4' --button=Abort:2 --button=Chroot:1 --button=Continue:0+ answer=4+ [[ 4 = 1 ]]+ [[ 4 = 2 ]]+ [[ 4 = 3 ]]+ [[ 4 = 4 ]]+ |
| 17:09.34 | bart80 | copy_grub_packages+ find '' -maxdepth 1 -name 'grub-pc*.deb' -exec cp '{}' /target ';'find: ââ: No such file or directory+ [[ -n grub-pc*.deb ]]+ chroot /target /bin/bash -c 'dpkg -i grub-pc*.deb'[1mdpkg:[0m considering removing grub-efi-amd64 in favour of grub-pc ...[1mdpkg:[0m yes, will remove grub-efi-amd64 in favour of grub-pcInstalling |
| 17:09.35 | bart80 | for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file |
| 17:09.35 | bart80 | `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in |
| 17:09.36 | bart80 | file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' in file `/etc/default/grub'.Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: attempt to install to encrypted disk without cryptodisk enabled. Set `GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y' |
| 17:09.36 | bart80 | in file `/etc/default/grub'.+ [[ grub-pc*.deb =~ grub-pc ]]+ grubversion=grub-pc+ [[ grub-pc*.deb =~ grub-efi ]]+ install_grub+ echo 'Setting up grub bootloader.. Please wait..'+ [[ -n /dev/sda1 ]]+ chroot /target mount /dev/sda1 /boot+ [[ -n '' ]]+ [[ '' = \e\f\i ]]+ [[ -n '' ]]+ chroot /target update-grub/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 253: |
| 17:09.37 | bart80 | /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: cannot create /boot/grub/grub.cfg.new: Directory nonexistent+ check_exit+ exit_code=2+ [[ 2 -ne 0 ]]+ yad --question --title=Error --window-icon=error --center --borders=10 --button=Continue:0 '--button=Exit now:1' '--text=Error detected: 2 \nSee /var/log/refractainstaller.log for details. \n\nThis may not be fatal.. Press |
| 17:09.37 | bart80 | "Continue" to proceed anyway' |
| 17:09.58 | bart80 | it seems that he can`t handle the encrypted partition |
| 17:10.30 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 17:11.24 | slvr | really should paste this stuff outside the chat and link to it |
| 17:11.26 | fsmithred | you really should paste that stuff somewhere like debian's paste bin |
| 17:11.39 | fsmithred | you might get bounced out of here by the bot |
| 17:11.45 | slvr | antispam |
| 17:11.55 | bart80 | yes, got the warning message |
| 17:12.06 | bart80 | sorry, paste the next somewhere outside |
| 17:12.52 | fsmithred | I read it quickly. You set up a separate partition for /boot, but did you check the box in the options window to use a separate partition for /boot? |
| 17:13.04 | fsmithred | actually, you had to have done that |
| 17:14.19 | bart80 | yes, there was the option create new boot ... i selected it. Then the installer asked for the right partition and i gave him sda1 |
| 17:14.27 | bart80 | sda2 as root |
| 17:14.29 | bart80 | all ext4 |
| 17:15.09 | fsmithred | ok, so right now sda2 should be mounted to /target |
| 17:15.33 | fsmithred | sda1 should be mounted to /target/boot (maybe to /target_boot |
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| 17:15.56 | fsmithred | open a terminal and get root |
| 17:16.21 | fsmithred | df -h |
| 17:16.24 | bart80 | still have |
| 17:16.43 | fsmithred | check the mounts for the target system |
| 17:16.49 | bart80 | its over |
| 17:16.59 | fsmithred | ? |
| 17:17.02 | fsmithred | you quit? |
| 17:17.29 | bart80 | pushed the wrong button AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH |
| 17:17.33 | fsmithred | shit |
| 17:17.38 | fsmithred | I hate when I do that |
| 17:17.53 | fsmithred | but it's possible that starting over will be faster |
| 17:17.55 | bart80 | But now i can try it to mount in chroot and install grub manually |
| 17:18.07 | fsmithred | yeah, I was gonna take you there |
| 17:18.35 | fsmithred | bind-mount /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys |
| 17:18.57 | fsmithred | create /run/udev in the target system and bind-mount /run/udev from the host system |
| 17:19.19 | fsmithred | then 'dpkg -i /grub-pc*.deb' |
| 17:19.31 | fsmithred | inside the chroot |
| 17:20.07 | bart80 | ok, thanks for the help! |
| 17:20.13 | fsmithred | yw |
| 17:28.04 | fsmithred | after the installer handles the bootloader, it goes through changing username, hostname and passwords. You can do the same all manually, or you can boot into the new system, drop to console and login as root, kill the display manger and run 'change-username' |
| 17:29.07 | bart80 | ok thx |
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| 17:34.52 | mrbitterness | How painless is going from ASCII to beowulf these days? Last time I just let it run I ended up with a busted system |
| 17:38.56 | fsmithred | mrbitterness, check the upgrade guides: https://beta.devuan.org/os/install |
| 17:39.23 | fsmithred | there are a couple of non-intuitive points |
| 17:39.55 | fsmithred | back in a few minutes... |
| 17:40.00 | mrbitterness | Ah, I had only seen the guide from 2018 on the forums |
| 17:52.51 | golinux | mrbitterness: Note to use the beta site is at the top of the index page of the ascii site |
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| 21:58.56 | frabbit | hi. apt was vulnearble again... maybe a good reason to reinstall the system... |
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| 22:37.28 | fsmithred | frabbit, you can download the package, check integrity, install locally with dpkg |
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| 22:44.05 | frabbit | fsmithred: hm.. good idea.. but to late now xD |
| 22:44.26 | frabbit | i already updated it a few minutes after release |
| 22:44.43 | frabbit | dunno yesterday at 7 am or something... |
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| 22:46.53 | fsmithred | https://packages.debian.org/buster/apt |
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