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| 01:09.53 | frabbit | hi. ive installed devuan ascii 2.1 on a tower, but "startx" as non-root-user doesnt works: https://paste2.org/FNf33BOC |
| 01:10.11 | frabbit | i think i need a driver for the geforce 1030 ? |
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| 01:29.22 | slvr | Failed to load module "nouveau", so you probably need to install the package for that. |
| 01:30.37 | slvr | frabbit: try apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 01:35.28 | frabbit | slvr: ok i will do that |
| 01:42.13 | frabbit | still doesnt work, i rebooted the pc too: https://paste2.org/cY93Kbgp |
| 01:43.47 | gnarface | frabbit: afaik neither the stock nouveau or nvidia drivers on ascii are new enough for that card. the 1XXX series needs the kernel & driver from backports |
| 01:44.21 | gnarface | frabbit: (i'm not sure *any* of the nouveau drivers support that card in fact. you might be stuck with the non-free ones) |
| 01:44.49 | frabbit | oh! =O |
| 01:44.54 | frabbit | =( |
| 01:45.21 | gnarface | it's fine, just add ascii-backports with non-free and make sure to get the kernel AND the nvidia drivers from there |
| 01:45.25 | frabbit | how can i find out? |
| 01:45.32 | frabbit | ok |
| 01:46.25 | frabbit | and why nvidia is called nouveau? |
| 01:47.04 | gnarface | find out for sure you mean? for nvidia's binary drivers you have to probably check the changelog, for nouveau the support status is here, but it looks down currently: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ |
| 01:47.45 | gnarface | and nvidia is not called nouveau, to be clear - nouveau is the reverse-engineered open source driver, not affiliated with nvidia |
| 01:47.57 | frabbit | ah i see! =) |
| 01:48.00 | frabbit | cool |
| 01:48.42 | frabbit | the FOSS community really needs a graphic cards vendor |
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| 01:51.39 | frabbit_ | that do not suck i mean and produce open hardware/firmware/software |
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| 02:15.03 | frabbit | ok i runned "apt -t ascii-backports install linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.8-amd64 xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" and reboot the pc. now after decrypt my ssd i get "input signal out of range" from my monitor |
| 02:22.45 | gnarface | frabbit: what happens if you try this? "apt-get -t ascii-backports install nvidia-driver" |
| 02:26.43 | gnarface | frabbit: also try this: "dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i" ...the nvidia driver comes in a bunch of packages. first you gotta make sure they're all the same version before moving on to check the xorg configuration (which isn't strictly required anymore but sometimes is still needed) |
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| 02:28.05 | gnarface | frabbit: also, to be clear, you should have got xserver-xorg-video-nvidia instead of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
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| 02:30.48 | gnarface | frabbit: (and the nouveau driver needs to be blacklisted before you reboot to the nvidia one) |
| 02:31.07 | frabbit | o_0 phew... |
| 02:31.53 | gnarface | one step at a time |
| 02:32.01 | frabbit | https://paste2.org/wxH4DwJy |
| 02:32.14 | gnarface | uh... if you want me to read any pastes, please use paste.debian.net |
| 02:32.28 | frabbit | why? |
| 02:32.40 | gnarface | my paranoia. please just humor me, it's too long of a conversation to justify |
| 02:33.00 | frabbit | paste.debian.net isnt https |
| 02:33.07 | gnarface | yea but it also doesn't have ads |
| 02:33.15 | frabbit | i dont want to support http sites |
| 02:33.15 | gnarface | if you're too paranoid for paste.debian.net just /msg it to me |
| 02:33.37 | frabbit | paste2 also hasnt ads |
| 02:33.40 | gnarface | i've gotta step away for a bit. please don't panic while i'm gone |
| 02:33.47 | frabbit | ok |
| 02:43.35 | frabbit | ok seems like https://paste.debian.net/ has https now (long time ago since i used it) but the sites loads forever and i got timeout... |
| 02:46.10 | frabbit | and theres flattr in the site |
| 02:48.07 | frabbit | "Invalid format for name (no special chars, max 10 chars)" ... -.- |
| 03:06.38 | gnarface | frabbit: did you remember to add contrib and non-free to the ascii-backports line in your sources.list? |
| 03:07.37 | gnarface | frabbit: (that's my assumption as to the cause of that error if this is an otherwise clean ascii install with no 3rd party packages/repos/distros mixed in) |
| 03:10.11 | gnarface | sighs |
| 03:10.37 | gnarface | if frabbit comes back, someone tell him to fix his sources.list and try it again |
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| 03:18.11 | frabbit | ok thats really weird... i restored the system to the point where i installed the xserver. then i only installed the kernel "linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.8-amd64" and reboot. now the font size is small as on my laptop (it was huge before on the tower pc) and "startx" works... o_0 |
| 03:21.44 | frabbit | hmm.. but as it seems the drivers are still neccessary, cause minetest (a game; minecraft clone) runs with 10 fps in full screen.... the card has more power for sure (i run it under windows 7 for gaming too) |
| 03:24.35 | furrywolf | <gnarface:#devuan> if frabbit comes back, someone tell him to fix his sources.list and try it again |
| 03:25.29 | frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/89a43b3f/ |
| 03:25.43 | frabbit | furrywolf: what? |
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| 03:26.32 | furrywolf | <gnarface:#devuan> frabbit: did you remember to add contrib and non-free to the ascii-backports line in your sources.list? |
| 03:26.32 | furrywolf | <gnarface:#devuan> frabbit: (that's my assumption as to the cause of that error if this is an otherwise clean ascii install with no 3rd party packages/repos/distros mixed in) |
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| 03:27.55 | frabbit | furrywolf: gnarface said only non-free, so no, no contrib there. |
| 03:30.57 | frabbit | ok ive checked that, also with contrib i cant install "xserver-xorg-video-nvidia" or "nvidia-driver" |
| 03:31.11 | mason | frabbit: If you include non-free, you generally also want contrib. |
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| 03:34.08 | frabbit | i dont want contrib nor non-free, but i have no choice x) |
| 03:34.21 | frabbit | anyway it doesnt work |
| 03:50.47 | gnarface | frabbit: it should have worked. i can guarantee those packages are installable unless you screwed something else up previously. i can only guess as to what though. it's a package conflict that usually comes from mixing in stuff that isn't from the distro, or isn't from this version of the distro |
| 03:51.28 | gnarface | frabbit: trying it with aptitude instead might be worthwhile, it's usually pretty good at sorting out the simpler types of conflicts |
| 03:53.21 | frabbit | gnarface: but i didnt do anything like that... i installed devuan 2.1 my standard way: minimal base install via expert installer, then minimal xserver and dwm and stterm, nothing more... =( |
| 03:53.54 | gnarface | frabbit: dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |
| 03:54.33 | gnarface | frabbit: you can literally see what's wrong with this ^ |
| 03:55.13 | frabbit | theres no nvidia stuff installed |
| 03:55.22 | frabbit | i cant even install it |
| 03:55.33 | gnarface | you ran "apt-get update" first? |
| 03:55.49 | frabbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.44 | frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/8b07b236/ |
| 03:57.00 | frabbit | a list of all packages on the computer atm |
| 03:57.34 | gnarface | doesn't really help me |
| 03:57.41 | gnarface | doesn't really help you either |
| 03:58.02 | furrywolf | I missed the start of this. what's the problem? and is it a problem that apt-get install aptitude && aptitude install whatever isn't figuring out? |
| 03:58.44 | gnarface | furrywolf: he's got a geforce 1030 on ascii, so he needs the backported nvidia drivers and can't seem to get them installed |
| 03:58.45 | frabbit | furrywolf: i installed devuan 2.1 on a tower pc with a geforce 1030 |
| 03:59.19 | furrywolf | does apt-cache show <package> show the version of the package you want? |
| 03:59.50 | gnarface | apt-cache -t ascii-backports show <package>, i think you mean |
| 03:59.54 | gnarface | not sure though |
| 04:00.09 | gnarface | i just did this about a week ago and it worked |
| 04:01.27 | furrywolf | I thought apt-cache would list all available versions? |
| 04:02.02 | gnarface | actually probably |
| 04:02.07 | gnarface | just don't know off the top of my head |
| 04:02.27 | gnarface | in fact it would even list installed versions that are no longer in the repo i think |
| 04:02.45 | gnarface | but he's got 0 nvidia packages... suggesting something went wrong somewhere prior |
| 04:03.04 | furrywolf | also, as I hinted at above, aptitude is my favorite way of trying to figure out odd package conflicts. |
| 04:03.22 | mason | Shockingly, grub-common and friends gave me a usable ZFS root config. |
| 04:03.24 | gnarface | frabbit: can we see the sources.list you're using? have you pasted that? just as a sanity check. there's some outdated info floating around |
| 04:03.24 | furrywolf | it's often exceptionally annoying, but it tends to be correct, while apt-get seems to mis-identify the cause of problems. |
| 04:04.34 | gnarface | frabbit: furrywolf's suggestion to use aptitude is also a good one at this point, but your sources.list needs to be right, and using current info (note that auto.mirror.devuan.org is deprecated and has been replaced by deb.devuan.org) |
| 04:04.52 | frabbit | gnarface: a sec |
| 04:05.32 | gnarface | frabbit: also your synopsis of the install doesn't exclude the possibility you have an extraneous cdrom line in there choking things up |
| 04:07.40 | frabbit | i have three lists atm in sources.list.d |
| 04:08.55 | gnarface | frabbit: ok actually i can shortcut this for you. your /etc/apt/sources.list should look exactly like this, minus the ascii-backports line which you should not leave uncommented except when updating the driver and kernel: https://paste.debian.net/1146492/ |
| 04:09.08 | gnarface | frabbit: anything else you have in there is probably harmful |
| 04:09.34 | frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0ef6f441/ |
| 04:10.59 | furrywolf | does apt-get update show any errors? does it show it fetching the backports package list? |
| 04:10.59 | gnarface | frabbit: you might need contrib and non-free on all lines for it to work |
| 04:11.58 | frabbit | ok |
| 04:12.10 | frabbit | i thought only for the backports |
| 04:12.16 | frabbit | will try this |
| 04:12.25 | gnarface | i just don't know for sure. you should make sure you're fully updated first (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade) |
| 04:13.07 | Jjp137 | you do need contrib and non-free on all lines b/c nvidia-installer-cleanup is a dep of xserver-xorg-video-nvidia which has no backports version |
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| 04:13.21 | gnarface | ah, good to know, Jjp137 |
| 04:14.07 | gnarface | there's only two causes for this error. either it couldn't find something it needs, or it found something too new in the way. |
| 04:15.48 | frabbit | yes now the installation works, but it gave me a conflict with the nouveau driver package and said that the easiest way to fix this is a reboot. ill rebbot now |
| 04:15.53 | frabbit | *reboot |
| 04:17.36 | furrywolf | oh, and at some time around that time another friend found some christian-themed non-violent doom clone that was hilariously awful that we played for laughs. |
| 04:17.38 | furrywolf | grr, wrong window |
| 04:18.18 | frabbit | ok booted again, but minetest has still +-10 fps... |
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| 04:22.07 | frabbit | dpkg -l | grep nvidia -i -> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/48521084/ |
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| 04:31.25 | tuxd3v | hello |
| 04:33.04 | frabbit | hello =) |
| 04:33.14 | telst4r | hello |
| 04:33.25 | onefang | G'day. |
| 04:33.50 | tuxd3v | does any one has firefox installed? |
| 04:34.04 | tuxd3v | When I open firefox with no tab open |
| 04:35.08 | frabbit | i have firefox and firefox-esr |
| 04:35.17 | tuxd3v | it establish a connection to a 'AkamaiGHost' without my permission |
| 04:36.09 | tuxd3v | open it with no tabs, also close all connections you have.. |
| 04:36.16 | tuxd3v | type this in the terminal: |
| 04:36.19 | tuxd3v | lsof -nP -i4tcp |
| 04:36.26 | tuxd3v | in my case: |
| 04:36.49 | telst4r | telemetry "feature" or a plugin. |
| 04:37.00 | tuxd3v | firefox-e 23074 tuxd3v 3u IPv4 774377 0t0 TCP 192.168.10.9:39658->212.113.165.95:80 (ESTABLISHED) |
| 04:37.28 | tuxd3v | I am always navigating in private mode |
| 04:38.06 | tuxd3v | telemetry feature...its a proxy |
| 04:40.04 | tuxd3v | https://seclists.org/pen-test/2003/Oct/2 |
| 04:40.27 | tuxd3v | tomorrow I will cann the abuse email of my ISP provider.. |
| 04:40.37 | tuxd3v | cann -> call |
| 04:41.14 | tuxd3v | the conection is always stablished in http |
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| 04:47.58 | iv4nshm4k0v | tuxd3v: See also http://github.com/ghacksuserjs/ghacks-user.js and http://bugs.debian.org/827395 |
| 04:53.37 | frabbit | sorry, but did i miss something? the driver(s) somehow not working as it seems |
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| 04:55.16 | frabbit | minetest with 10 fps on a 4x2,44GHz, 4gb ram, ssd, geforce 1030 tower isnt something that can be correct... |
| 04:57.08 | frabbit | do i need otehr nividia packages too? or do i need to configure the drivers? |
| 04:57.12 | frabbit | *other |
| 04:57.41 | frabbit | im not familiar with that dedicated gc stuff under linux |
| 04:59.09 | tuxd3v | iv4nshm4k0v, interesting... so we try to not be tracked( enabling the "Do not track me" button ), but in the end, our traffic is filtered is a someplace server in the web |
| 04:59.50 | tuxd3v | without even open a site.. |
| 05:03.09 | frabbit | =( |
| 05:18.36 | gnarface | if frabbit comes back, tell him that yes, he's missing literally dozens of nvidia packages, and to stop logging out |
| 05:19.57 | gnarface | he's missing dozens of packages including the specific one i repeatedly told him to actually install |
| 05:23.31 | gnarface | (nvidia-driver) |
| 05:24.14 | gnarface | i told him to install that one specifically because i knew off the top of my head it would pull in at least most of the other ones as dependencies |
| 05:25.14 | onefang | I think frabbit is rebooting to see if the latest changes work. |
| 05:26.52 | gnarface | well it's been a long time for a reboot, and the paste of the packages he left earlier (https://paste.debian.net/hidden/48521084/) leaves no doubts that it won't work |
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| 05:28.00 | gnarface | to me it looked more like he gave up without waiting long enough for a response |
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| 09:21.20 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | take offtopic chat to #debianfork |
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| 09:44.36 | specing | Is it possible to resume a debuild build? |
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| 10:00.26 | tarzeau | specing: i'm not aware of any |
| 10:00.37 | tarzeau | unless it has just being signal STOP'ed you'd CONT'inue it |
| 10:01.09 | tarzeau | or backgrounded it (job control) you'd foreground it again |
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| 10:03.28 | specing | :( |
| 10:05.00 | tarzeau | just debuild it again? |
| 10:05.35 | specing | it takes 3h |
| 10:05.44 | tarzeau | what is it? |
| 10:05.51 | tarzeau | make it faster? :) |
| 10:05.58 | specing | freeorion on 800Mhz core2duo |
| 10:06.22 | tarzeau | build it on a faster machine? |
| 10:06.43 | specing | no faster one |
| 10:06.56 | specing | (for this task) |
| 10:07.42 | tarzeau | can't help looking at https://sources.debian.org/src/freeorion/0.4.9-1/debian/rules/ |
| 10:07.56 | tarzeau | how much memory? does it start swapping to disk? |
| 10:08.11 | tarzeau | i've found eatmydata very useful for apt and installing thousands of packages |
| 10:08.22 | tarzeau | but not sure it'd be help with eatmydata debuild |
| 10:08.31 | tarzeau | you can try |
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| 10:19.32 | specing | tarzeau: it's on SSD |
| 10:19.42 | specing | the build got killed due to lack of ram :/ |
| 10:19.50 | specing | need to increase allocation to that VM |
| 10:23.35 | tarzeau | add zram? |
| 10:23.41 | tarzeau | and swap then :) |
| 10:23.49 | tarzeau | or yes the 3rd line you said |
| 10:24.17 | specing | I have zram on the host |
| 10:24.31 | specing | I actually looked at apt-cache search zram and nothing showed up? |
| 10:24.40 | specing | How does one setup zram in Devuan? |
| 10:27.09 | tarzeau | no idea, on debian there's zram-tools, on ubuntu zram-config |
| 10:27.26 | tarzeau | too old devuan? simple sid backport? |
| 10:31.48 | fsmithred | https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam |
| 10:32.12 | fsmithred | should work in beowulf |
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| 10:43.59 | specing | I have Ascii |
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| 11:57.25 | specing | Can I make a devuan-in-a-VM release unused RAM? |
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| 14:19.37 | mashiro | Hi guys. Recently noticed that i can't install the checkinstall in the beowulf release, is there any reason? |
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| 14:23.55 | mason | mashiro: Doesn't look like it's packaged for Buster, hence not for Beowulf. |
| 14:24.07 | ullet | i don't know what that is mashiro |
| 14:24.08 | mason | mashiro: You can probably get the source package and do a local build. |
| 14:24.12 | ullet | so you do not need it |
| 14:24.26 | mason | mashiro: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/checkinstall |
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| 14:28.35 | mashiro | mason: hm, you're right, i didn't notice that it was in buster-backports, not in the main repo. I've just installed the package from ascii anyway. Thanks. |
| 14:32.00 | ullet | mason is not right |
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| 14:33.26 | mason | Oh, weird, and for my part I didn't see that it skipped Buster but exists in oldstable and testing both. Very strange. |
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| 14:40.51 | hightower4 | Hey Devuan Beowulf is a rough equivalent of Debian 10 right? |
| 14:42.22 | djph | I believe so, yes. |
| 14:42.42 | hightower4 | tx |
| 14:42.50 | fsmithred | except for about a hundred packages, it is exactly the same as debian 10 |
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| 15:31.47 | specing | Why does debuild not pass -pipe to compiler? |
| 15:32.02 | specing | i'm getting out of space errors due to humongously large intermediaries |
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| 16:33.41 | nemo | fsmithred: so one thing with that qemu instance you helped me with |
| 16:33.46 | nemo | fsmithred: can't figure out how to shut it down properly |
| 16:34.03 | nemo | I keep doing unclean shutdowns. executing shutdown inside it doesn't seem to work, nor does using the qemu menu |
| 16:34.24 | fsmithred | what are you trying to shut down? |
| 16:34.36 | fsmithred | I don't remember anything about your setup |
| 16:37.19 | nemo | fsmithred: just a devuan beowulf image |
| 16:37.25 | nemo | using qemu command you gave me |
| 16:37.46 | nemo | qemu-system-x86_64 -display gtk -enable-kvm -m 2048 -boot order=d -drive file=file.iso ,format=raw -soundhw hda -smp cores=2,threads=1 |
| 16:37.46 | fsmithred | should shutdown from inside the system, not through qemu |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | (that I know of) |
| 16:37.53 | nemo | fsmithred: yeah. wasn't doing anything so I tried qemu |
| 16:38.12 | fsmithred | you trying to shut down from a desktop? |
| 16:38.25 | fsmithred | what ways have you tried from inside the system?: |
| 16:39.14 | slvr | using /sbin/shutdown -h now ? |
| 16:39.41 | fsmithred | and what happens? |
| 16:39.55 | nemo | last time I'd used Mate's "shutdown" in gui. I'm trying an actual explicit halt right now |
| 16:40.29 | fsmithred | ok. desktop power buttons are subject to policykit mess. |
| 16:40.33 | nemo | ah.. |
| 16:40.57 | nemo | yay. that worked \o/ |
| 16:41.03 | nemo | ok. will just do that from now on then |
| 16:41.12 | nemo | and if I need something in gui can add a gksudo wrapper or something |
| 16:42.01 | fsmithred | gksudo is gone |
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| 16:42.10 | nemo | aw crap. that annoying eth0 "waiting for lock" bet my unclean shutdown left some stale file. now I gotta find it |
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| 16:42.13 | nemo | fsmithred: oh? |
| 16:42.25 | fsmithred | fix policykit - wait a few minutes - I'm on the phone now |
| 16:42.39 | nemo | nbd. this will do for now |
| 16:42.52 | fsmithred | is consolekit or elogind installed? |
| 16:43.34 | nemo | consolekit I imagine. I wasn't going for adventurous |
| 16:43.35 | nemo | checking |
| 16:43.54 | nemo | huh... |
| 16:44.02 | nemo | elogind ð |
| 16:44.06 | nemo | thought consolekit ws the new one |
| 16:44.08 | nemo | doh |
| 16:44.16 | fsmithred | make sure also libpam-elogind |
| 16:44.35 | nemo | hmmm installed. odd |
| 16:44.41 | nemo | maybe should try Mate again |
| 16:44.43 | fsmithred | libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0 |
| 16:44.54 | fsmithred | also libpolkit-gobject... |
| 16:44.56 | fsmithred | same |
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| 16:46.14 | fsmithred | policykit-1-gnome |
| 16:46.50 | nemo | hrm. all of those were installed. weird |
| 16:47.36 | fsmithred | mate you said? |
| 16:47.44 | fsmithred | upower |
| 16:48.13 | nemo | that one too |
| 16:48.16 | nemo | lemme just try it again |
| 16:48.18 | fsmithred | and if mate, possibly use xfce4-power-manager |
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| 16:48.23 | nemo | lol |
| 16:48.26 | fsmithred | instead of the mate one |
| 16:48.34 | fsmithred | some people had to do that in ascii, I think |
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| 17:41.23 | frabbit | the log site of this channel seems to be down |
| 17:41.42 | frabbit | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
| 17:46.03 | frabbit | can anyone tell me, if someone has answered my questions since i was gone, please? |
| 17:46.18 | specing | fsmithred, tarzeau: ah, I was able to just modprobe zram and copy commands from my gentoo init script to get zram swap working |
| 17:46.53 | specing | "if frabbit comes back, tell him that yes, he's missing literally dozens of nvidia packages, and to stop logging out" |
| 17:47.19 | frabbit | ok |
| 17:47.28 | frabbit | thx specing |
| 17:47.40 | frabbit | fsmithred: what packages do i miss? |
| 17:47.48 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 17:48.03 | fsmithred | been a few years since I've used nvidia |
| 17:48.04 | specing | frabbit: https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode/ use matrix if your connection is unstable (or get a bouncer) |
| 17:48.37 | frabbit | fsmithred: and: i need to log out, because i need to sleep sometimes and i dont want to pay energy bills for idleing my computer... |
| 17:50.22 | slvr | I run irc on a vps now |
| 17:53.24 | frabbit | slvr: and that costs money |
| 17:53.54 | slvr | yep |
| 17:55.12 | frabbit | a better solution is just to host a little website, that logs the channel and yes #devuan is doing this, but that unencrypted site isnt very good as it seems... |
| 17:57.27 | mason | IRC on a VPS is a good answer. I do it too. |
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| 18:09.52 | kwhalekiller | hi |
| 18:11.54 | kwhalekiller | heard about devuan from a friend, sounded pretty sweet |
| 18:12.10 | slvr | can confirm. is pretty sweet. |
| 18:13.27 | kwhalekiller | i like the sound sweet things can make |
| 18:13.47 | frabbit | =D |
| 18:20.51 | mason | kwhalekiller: o/ |
| 18:21.22 | mason | kwhalekiller: If you want to try it, I'd recommend snagging the Beowulf beta ISO. |
| 18:23.20 | mason | kwhalekiller: https://beta.devuan.org/get-devuan |
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| 18:37.19 | gnarface | frabbit: did you try installing the nvidia-driver package from backports now that you have the kernel and the sources.list sorted out? |
| 18:38.00 | gnarface | :~$ dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |wc -l |
| 18:38.00 | gnarface | 60 |
| 18:38.29 | gnarface | ^this is from ceres, but you should get something similar on ascii and beowulf if everything is right |
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| 18:40.48 | gnarface | frabbit: you have consistently logged out moments before every response |
| 18:40.55 | frabbit | i changed my address and gateway in /etc/network/interfaces and run "service networking restart" but it doesnt work |
| 18:40.58 | gnarface | frabbit: i'll repeat my last few lines |
| 18:41.03 | gnarface | :~$ dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |wc -l |
| 18:41.05 | gnarface | 60 |
| 18:41.08 | gnarface | ^this is from ceres, but you should get something similar on ascii and beowulf if everything is right |
| 18:41.09 | frabbit | gnarface: o ok |
| 18:41.42 | frabbit | i will boot the tower now |
| 18:41.44 | gnarface | frabbit: install the "nvidia-driver" package from backports, specifically |
| 18:41.59 | frabbit | will do that |
| 18:42.05 | gnarface | frabbit: that should bring in most of the necessary dependencies (if you also need 32-bit stuff you have to add that separately) |
| 18:58.48 | frabbit | ok i installed the "nvidia-driver" package from backports and "dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i |wc -l" gives me 22 |
| 18:58.59 | frabbit | before that it was 7 |
| 19:02.20 | frabbit | i didnt changed the sources lists or something else... |
| 19:04.46 | frabbit | ah, now at the ssd decryption screen i get: "[ 1.645191] udevd [112]: Error running install command for nvidia" |
| 19:12.31 | frabbit | lol now the tty font is very big again and startx isnt possible as non-root-user |
| 19:14.11 | kwhalekiller | mason, tanks for link [earlier] |
| 19:14.34 | kwhalekiller | frabbit, does startx run right as root? |
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| 19:15.54 | frabbit | kwhalekiller: do u know my coontext? |
| 19:16.01 | frabbit | *context |
| 19:24.32 | kwhalekiller | what little i've gleaned. Probably not |
| 19:24.40 | kwhalekiller | i like coontext btw |
| 19:25.20 | kwhalekiller | Would be a good hi-contrast font name |
| 19:29.09 | kwhalekiller | frabbit, i'm only curious to see what the problem is |
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| 19:38.16 | mason | frabbit: So, sounds like the error message is cosmetic and you just need a reasonable X config...? I'd recommend running nvidia-xconfig to generate a sane base config for the nVidia proprietary drivers. You may need to install the package. |
| 19:39.37 | mason | frabbit_: From there you can play with options. I use ForceFullCompositionPipeline here. |
| 19:40.01 | gnarface | i haven't needed ForceFullCompositionPipeline here on ceres lately |
| 19:40.27 | gnarface | since he's using the backports driver version i'm not sure he will either |
| 19:41.01 | gnarface | not knowing whether he's even in the channel or not is a complication for responding though |
| 19:43.05 | gnarface | frabbit_, frabbit, we're not done yet. respond when you see this |
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| 19:51.37 | mason | gnarface: I bet his issues go away with nvidia-xconfig, regardless of tweaks. |
| 19:51.58 | mason | gnarface: What version of the driver's on Ceres? 440? |
| 19:54.17 | gnarface | 440.82 last i updated |
| 19:54.27 | gnarface | backports should be 419 or 418 |
| 19:54.46 | gnarface | he got the kernel installed successfully |
| 19:56.04 | gnarface | i don't know if nvidia-xconfig will fix it or not. it definitely won't fix the DPI issue, but first it needs to be determined whether it is even wrong or not, and at this point i have no reason to believe dkms even worked, nor that he has the libgl1-nvidia-glx package as necessary to do anything useful with the driver |
| 19:58.09 | gnarface | the real issue is he keeps hitting eject without waiting for diagnostics |
| 19:59.58 | gnarface | this is a multi-step process that i haven't given all the steps for up front, and he's shown very little attention to detail of the steps i did provide, so correcting by giving MORE information in each step is obviously not going to work |
| 20:00.24 | gnarface | but then if he never sticks around long enough for step #2 we're at an impasse |
| 20:00.54 | mason | gnarface: So, here, I have a DPI issue if I don't explicitly point to nvidia for each display. |
| 20:01.11 | mason | But yeah, rabbitting off doesn't help. |
| 20:01.36 | gnarface | mason: sure, but i've experienced the DPI issue just because i have weird displays, and been forced to manually specify it to what the manufacturer's docs say anyway |
| 20:02.05 | gnarface | mason: also there's a lot of bad info out there about adjusting the font size by adjusting the DPI instead of doing it in the gtk and qt configs |
| 20:03.01 | mason | Ah, most of my stuff isn't GTK or Qt. But anyway, I'm curious to see if having a config nailed down helps. |
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| 20:05.18 | frabbit_ | gnarface: yeah im here |
| 20:05.24 | frabbit_ | was afk |
| 20:05.40 | gnarface | frabbit_: we need to check some things |
| 20:05.43 | frabbit_ | ok |
| 20:08.19 | gnarface | frabbit: dpkg -l|grep libgl1 |
| 20:08.32 | gnarface | frabbit: dpkg -l|grep linux-headers |
| 20:09.10 | gnarface | we need to see what packages you have for these to make sure they're right^ |
| 20:09.28 | gnarface | just a sanity check, but it dictates the next step |
| 20:10.14 | mason | gnarface: Can't hurt to try the config too. Quick, easy, anecdotally useful from my experience. |
| 20:10.52 | gnarface | yes, he should still have the config but nothing will work unless this is right first |
| 20:11.26 | mason | Sounds like he's largely up and running, just with a cosmetic error, no? |
| 20:11.49 | gnarface | i saw no proof he couldn't just be using a different auto-detected framebuffer driver |
| 20:12.13 | mason | Seemed similar to https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2311 from what I read. |
| 20:12.33 | gnarface | all i saw was that auto-detection changed but could have simply failed in a different way |
| 20:14.37 | frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c579095e/ |
| 20:14.44 | frabbit | gnarface: |
| 20:16.12 | gnarface | frabbit: ok, that might be fine, but here's the problem; you need that linux-headers-* package from backports to match the kernel from backports, then you need to re-install the nvidia-driver package from backports (to trigger dkms compilation of the actual module) |
| 20:17.09 | gnarface | frabbit: i should say the libgl1-* response is probably fine. the linux-headers response is not. that needed to be present before we started. sorry. no big deal though, just put it in place then reinstall the nvidia-driver one and it should work right this time |
| 20:17.42 | gnarface | frabbit: (there should be a long pause while it says dkms is working) |
| 20:18.24 | gnarface | frabbit: (ignore the DPI issue for now, if it persists it is a separate issue that needs to be solved elsewhere) |
| 20:18.28 | frabbit | gnarface: ok no problem =) .. err command to reinstall a package... |
| 20:18.44 | gnarface | "apt-get -t ascii-backports --reinstall install nvidia-driver" |
| 20:18.55 | frabbit | xD haha thx |
| 20:19.03 | frabbit | long time didnt run that command |
| 20:19.16 | frabbit | only install or remove |
| 20:19.39 | gnarface | remember the linux-headers-4.19-whatever from backports needs to be there first |
| 20:19.48 | gnarface | and it needs to be the one matching the kernel you're running |
| 20:20.57 | gnarface | it's a binary blob driver that is shared with all platforms and gets a custom linux wrapper compiled on-the-fly for it at install time so it's basically the worst of both worlds |
| 20:22.08 | frabbit | zes |
| 20:22.09 | frabbit | yes |
| 20:23.47 | frabbit | ok headers installed then nvidiaÃdrivers reinstalled, now rebooting |
| 20:24.19 | frabbit | *nvidia-drivers (sorry im switching keyboard layouts here x)) |
| 20:24.25 | gnarface | wait i'm not comfortable with the lack |
| 20:24.33 | gnarface | i'm not comfortable with the lack of confirmation on that dkms output |
| 20:24.44 | gnarface | you should have seen it do something obvious and mention dkms |
| 20:24.48 | gnarface | did it? |
| 20:25.06 | gnarface | or did it just error again? |
| 20:25.17 | gnarface | there's the possibility it could have still failed if you don't have a compiler installed |
| 20:25.53 | frabbit | err... |
| 20:25.57 | mason | pretty sure the DKMS would scream loudly |
| 20:26.12 | gnarface | mason: not really. the error could scoll by fast |
| 20:26.13 | frabbit | damn i forgot to look at that.. =( |
| 20:26.16 | gnarface | scroll* |
| 20:26.24 | frabbit | i will look at the logs |
| 20:26.28 | gnarface | mason: the error could go by fast. when it works it's very noticeable though |
| 20:27.58 | frabbit | theres nothing about that in /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 20:28.09 | gnarface | frabbit: you weren't looking at the screen? |
| 20:28.33 | frabbit | yes but the reinstall was just a second and the font is huge... |
| 20:28.34 | gnarface | there's some way to manually trigger dkms |
| 20:28.51 | frabbit | this computer is 4 times faster then mz laptop |
| 20:28.56 | frabbit | *my |
| 20:29.09 | mason | frabbit: Humour me. Try nvidia-xconfig and see what happens. |
| 20:29.14 | frabbit | ok |
| 20:29.46 | mason | I'm gladly accept "that did nothing, you're stupid and wasted my time" given any small chance that you run into errors I often see that are helped by this. |
| 20:29.53 | frabbit | command not found |
| 20:29.59 | gnarface | mason: that's a real derailment at this point. i'd rather you wait until after dkms is completed |
| 20:30.00 | mason | Right, you need to isntall it. |
| 20:30.32 | mason | gnarface: He's got modules loaded, though, no? Something built at some point. |
| 20:30.48 | gnarface | frabbit: try this please: "dkms status" then "dkms autoinstall" |
| 20:31.12 | frabbit | wait what noe first istall nvidiaÃxconfig or the dkms thing? |
| 20:31.16 | frabbit | *now |
| 20:31.24 | mason | Do his dkms thing first. It's reasonable. |
| 20:31.27 | frabbit | ok |
| 20:31.35 | gnarface | frabbit: because you weren't able to confirm for me whether it worked or not |
| 20:32.02 | gnarface | frabbit: running dkms manually now is just a shortcut from reinstalling the whole package. |
| 20:32.24 | mason | frabbit: If you can share the "dkms status" info first that'd be great. |
| 20:32.26 | gnarface | frabbit: you'll most likely still need a valid xorg.conf but it won't matter unless this part worked |
| 20:32.31 | frabbit | i always need a bit for the output, because i need to copy it to a usb and mount it on the laptop, then paste.... |
| 20:32.57 | gnarface | the machine isn't on the network? |
| 20:33.07 | gnarface | you should be able to use pastebinit from the console |
| 20:33.12 | gnarface | unless it's not on the network... |
| 20:33.53 | mason | dkms status | nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 20:33.57 | mason | frabbit: ^ |
| 20:34.52 | frabbit | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a5e0a310/ |
| 20:35.22 | frabbit | gnarface: zes it is on the network but i use irssi client here on the laptop |
| 20:35.26 | mason | That's a bit older. Is that the target version?? Either way, nvidia-xconfig, gogogogogogo :P |
| 20:35.32 | frabbit | pastebinit? |
| 20:35.38 | frabbit | didnt know that |
| 20:35.51 | gnarface | frabbit: well, it looks right. do a clean reboot if you haven't yet then go for the xorg.conf |
| 20:36.11 | frabbit | ok so no "dkms autoinstall" ? |
| 20:36.12 | gnarface | frabbit: and make sure your user that you want to startx as is in the "video" group |
| 20:36.22 | frabbit | yes it is |
| 20:36.40 | gnarface | frabbit: "dkms autoinstall" won't hurt but it shouldn't matter, this output suggests it did work the first time |
| 20:36.58 | frabbit | ok. it reboots now |
| 20:38.44 | frabbit | man.. so much trouble... i really do understand linus now: https://invidio.us/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ |
| 20:39.23 | gnarface | heh, yea nobody loves nvidia for doing this. this is a trainwreck |
| 20:39.28 | gnarface | we know |
| 20:39.35 | frabbit | i see |
| 20:40.20 | gnarface | the only consolation i can give you is that you'll only need to figure this out once and it usually works |
| 20:40.31 | frabbit | ok |
| 20:42.04 | frabbit | reboot done |
| 20:42.18 | frabbit | what next? |
| 20:42.35 | mason | frabbit: So, you'll want to install nvidia-xconfig, run it, and then see if things work as desired with the config it generates. |
| 20:42.37 | gnarface | it should just work now, but if you have complaints about font sizes there's multiple locations it needs to be addressed |
| 20:42.52 | gnarface | yea, you'll want a xorg.conf for maximum control |
| 20:43.23 | mason | Autodetection here is crazy without a config file, and I've got a newer nVidia driver. |
| 20:43.25 | gnarface | but the system console fonts are actually controlled from the boot loader (/etc/defaults/grub if you're using grub, /etc/lilo.conf if you're using lilo, i think) |
| 20:43.52 | mason | I'm going to guess out of the gate that xrandr will show an incorrect mode picked. |
| 20:44.08 | mason | But maybe that's been addressed already and it really is a DPI issue or something. |
| 20:44.28 | gnarface | well the DPI issue will only affect xorg, the actual text login could be out of whack too |
| 20:44.39 | frabbit | yeah the font size is big again, but it was small before during the process we did earlier the day |
| 20:44.40 | mason | oh, hm |
| 20:44.55 | gnarface | sometimes the driver gets it right, sometimes you have to specify, but it used to get it wrong so often that a lot of people have "nomodeset" still in their grub conf and have forgotten |
| 20:45.01 | frabbit | ill start minetest now with shaders etc and check the fps |
| 20:45.27 | mason | I think I've misunderstood the problem here. |
| 20:45.41 | gnarface | even glxgears (which is not for benchmarking) should show a stark difference in framerate now if you run it like this: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears |
| 20:46.05 | frabbit | AAH! 60 fps with all shaders and in fullscreen =D |
| 20:46.20 | frabbit | cool thank you very, very much till here! |
| 20:46.54 | frabbit | never thought that this game can look and feel that good |
| 20:47.00 | mason | So, I was under the impression that text was too large in the X session, not the virtual console. This made me think a bad mode was being selected, which happens when I don't nail it down with a config. |
| 20:47.12 | frabbit | mason: only on tty |
| 20:47.54 | frabbit | ok so now i install nvidia-xconfig ? from the backports too? |
| 20:48.18 | mason | frabbit: Nah, if you're happy with it, you're fine already. It won't help with virtual consoles. |
| 20:49.25 | gnarface | frabbit: for the virtual console thing, make sure "nomodeset" isn't in your /etc/default/grub file |
| 20:49.34 | gnarface | frabbit: if it's not, then i can tell you stuff to add |
| 20:49.46 | gnarface | frabbit: but if it is, just removing it may be enough |
| 20:49.57 | gnarface | frabbit: if you don't care and want to just go play minecraft that's fine too |
| 20:50.31 | frabbit | oh ok... but weird, it was first a big font size on tty after my minimal standard installation. then after some packages for nvidia stuff it changes to the small size, i have as default here on laptop and now it isbig again after some more nvidia stuff |
| 20:51.08 | frabbit | gnarface: will check taht, but hey: its minetest ;D |
| 20:51.25 | frabbit | (never say that in the forums.. its dangerous... o_0) |
| 20:51.30 | frabbit | =) |
| 20:51.37 | gnarface | frabbit: what you were seeing was symptoms of the virtual console driver flopping back and forth between the KMS one, the nouveau one, and the nvidia one, probably |
| 20:51.50 | frabbit | gnarface: i see |
| 20:52.00 | mason | I thought you guys blacklisted Nouveau in a previous session. |
| 20:52.19 | gnarface | mason: yea but might not the modesetting/kms driver still take over instead? |
| 20:52.21 | frabbit | mason: no i didnt do that blacklist thing |
| 20:52.27 | mason | ah |
| 20:52.31 | mason | That can be important. |
| 20:52.32 | frabbit | i dont know how |
| 20:53.00 | frabbit | ah.. it was late.. no earliy and im tired.. |
| 20:53.07 | gnarface | doesn't matter now, large/wrong font size at the virtual terminal is a dead giveaway it got the nvidia one |
| 20:53.16 | gnarface | the other drivers work right |
| 20:54.05 | gnarface | usually now you can make the nvidia one work but that's a relatively recent fix for them and it's not always doing it right by default still |
| 20:54.10 | mason | Hrm, what's the syntax for blacklisting it from the kernel command line? I'm thinking rd.blacklist=nouveau but I don't think that's right. |
| 20:54.23 | frabbit | gnarface: nomodeset is not in /etc/default/grub |
| 20:54.52 | gnarface | frabbit: try adding this line then: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="keep" |
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| 20:55.03 | gnarface | (if that doesn't work you'll have to switch it out with the specific resolution setting) |
| 20:55.05 | frabbit | ok, but where? |
| 20:55.26 | frabbit | adding that line i mean |
| 20:55.26 | gnarface | literally doesn't matter, but i would add it after this line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 20:55.30 | frabbit | ok |
| 20:56.25 | gnarface | that will make it keep whatever resolution the grub menu defaulted to. if that's wrong too though, that's when you need to manually specify a resolution |
| 20:57.03 | mason | Oh, no dot. rdblacklist=nouveau |
| 20:57.29 | frabbit | ok done ill reboot now |
| 20:57.37 | gnarface | mason: i always just put it in my /etc/modules.d/options.conf file |
| 20:58.03 | mason | ...and then update-initramfs |
| 20:58.06 | gnarface | mason: the nvidia package *should* have done the equivalent these days though |
| 20:59.31 | frabbit | mason: i need to do that after reboot? |
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| 21:00.14 | gnarface | frabbit: before, but it shouldn't matter for you now, yours should already be correct, but also shouldn't hurt |
| 21:00.18 | mason | frabbit: No, gnarface is sending you in the right direction. I've got to go get a curbside grocery delivery, so I'll bow out for now. |
| 21:01.02 | frabbit | "curbside grocery delivery" |
| 21:01.13 | frabbit | you buying food? |
| 21:01.18 | mason | Yes. |
| 21:01.22 | frabbit | ok xD |
| 21:01.49 | frabbit | thank you too for your intervention |
| 21:02.26 | mason | Sure, happy to help. Sorry for the noise resulting from my confusion. I'll be back. o/ |
| 21:03.29 | frabbit | noise? |
| 21:03.38 | frabbit | what is firmware tigon something? |
| 21:03.58 | frabbit | seems that the pc misses that... |
| 21:04.18 | gnarface | frabbit: not to do with the nvidia card |
| 21:05.28 | frabbit | ok |
| 21:05.38 | frabbit | the font on tty is still big |
| 21:06.04 | gnarface | frabbit: ok, you probably need firmware-linux-nonfree for that tigon thing. i assume it's related to ethernet or bluetooth |
| 21:06.41 | frabbit | oh ok, but ethernet works.. o_0 |
| 21:06.56 | gnarface | is that the brand of your ethernet card? |
| 21:06.57 | frabbit | and that tower has no bluethooth |
| 21:07.03 | gnarface | and no wifi? |
| 21:07.15 | frabbit | er.. i dunno what card is ther.. wait ill chek with lshw |
| 21:07.18 | gnarface | it might just need the firmware for gigabit link speeds. if you're on 100 megabit you wouldn't notice |
| 21:07.19 | frabbit | no wifi |
| 21:07.41 | gnarface | ok for the fonts |
| 21:07.45 | gnarface | in your /etc/default/grub file |
| 21:07.52 | gnarface | before this line: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="keep" |
| 21:08.00 | gnarface | insert this line: GRUB_GFXMODE="1920x1080x32" |
| 21:08.13 | gnarface | (change the numbers to match your display's physical resolution) |
| 21:09.37 | frabbit | its a broadcom ethernet card i think. i runned: "lsha -class network" |
| 21:09.42 | frabbit | *lshw |
| 21:09.52 | frabbit | gnarface: ok |
| 21:10.04 | gnarface | yea, broadcom is known for their firmware blackboxes |
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| 21:13.09 | frabbit_ | ok done. ive runnend update-initramfs -u then and reboot now |
| 21:13.19 | frabbit_ | grr.. disconnect again =( |
| 21:17.56 | frabbit_ | ok still big font |
| 21:18.23 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 21:19.01 | frabbit | i still got htis error message in the decryption screen, does that matter? |
| 21:19.05 | frabbit | *this |
| 21:19.16 | gnarface | which error? |
| 21:20.30 | frabbit | [ 1.645191] udevd [112]: Error running install command for nvidia |
| 21:20.36 | frabbit | but the numbers are different now |
| 21:20.45 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 21:21.01 | gnarface | what does lsmod say? |
| 21:21.39 | frabbit | er... much ^_^. wait please |
| 21:21.49 | gnarface | lsmod|grep ^n |
| 21:21.51 | gnarface | just this part |
| 21:22.13 | gnarface | i don't need to see the whole thing |
| 21:22.19 | gnarface | we just need to see whether it loaded nouveau or nvidia |
| 21:23.19 | frabbit | lsmod: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/087de468/ |
| 21:23.25 | frabbit | ah! |
| 21:23.27 | frabbit | sorry |
| 21:23.59 | gnarface | hmm |
| 21:24.06 | frabbit | i need to switch here between the computers via a kvm, so i dont see irssi when im on the tower pc |
| 21:24.21 | gnarface | well the right driver seems to be loaded, so i don't know wtf udev is on about |
| 21:25.09 | frabbit | probably a pottering-troll-script running inside |
| 21:25.29 | gnarface | i don't know why setting the system console font is failing either. that should have worked, all i can offer is to sanity check your /etc/default/grub file against mine if you pastebin it |
| 21:25.41 | frabbit | ok |
| 21:28.47 | frabbit | /etc/default/grub: https://paste.debian.net/1146631/ |
| 21:29.27 | frabbit | the "x32" means the color depth right? |
| 21:29.47 | gnarface | frabbit: yea. obviously this has to be something the video card and the display can actually handle |
| 21:29.57 | gnarface | i just gave you an example based on what i'm using currently |
| 21:30.12 | frabbit | ok |
| 21:30.13 | slvr | I would get rid of gfxmode and let the kernel do what it feels like |
| 21:30.39 | slvr | proprietary drivers don't seem to like suggestions |
| 21:30.51 | gnarface | slvr: we tried that first though |
| 21:30.59 | slvr | eep |
| 21:31.01 | gnarface | slvr: it's a 1030, it might just be poorly supported on linux |
| 21:31.24 | gnarface | slvr: this didn't even start working on my 660 until recently |
| 21:31.30 | gnarface | slvr: 650* |
| 21:31.35 | slvr | might need a newer kernel |
| 21:31.47 | gnarface | it's the backports one already though, 4.19, but yea |
| 21:31.47 | slvr | if it uses a very new nvidia driver |
| 21:31.55 | gnarface | it could be that new |
| 21:32.20 | gnarface | frabbit: the only thing you have in there that i don't is "quiet" |
| 21:32.31 | gnarface | frabbit: (which shouldn't matter) |
| 21:32.45 | gnarface | sorry :(, i give up on your system font size, you're on your own there |
| 21:33.22 | gnarface | did you at least manage to find out if your /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows it setting the DPI your monitor manufacturer says is the physical DPI? |
| 21:33.23 | frabbit | ok its fine you helped me a lot! thank you very much again! |
| 21:33.45 | frabbit | ive never played like this efore on a linux pc |
| 21:34.03 | frabbit | no i didnt |
| 21:34.34 | slvr | booting a live environment of a more bleeding edge linux and copying the logs might help. |
| 21:34.41 | frabbit | but here on the laptop i have the same, its using the same display |
| 21:37.46 | frabbit | but its really np on that gaing pc, its only for gaming. if it were on my working pc...phew.. hat would suck... font as huge as the bloated spores of systemd xD |
| 21:37.58 | frabbit | *that |
| 21:39.18 | frabbit | Bloated Spores: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Bloat |
| 21:43.17 | frabbit | what would i have to do, if i change the graphics card, for example to a model with more performance? |
| 21:44.14 | slvr | could run windows in a vm and use a different videocard for linux |
| 21:44.15 | specing | Hello frabbit |
| 21:44.18 | specing | Play libre games |
| 21:44.37 | specing | https://libregamewiki.org/ |
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| 21:47.37 | gnarface | frabbit: if you change to another model of nvidia card you shouldn't need to change a single thing in the software config at this point |
| 21:48.09 | gnarface | frabbit: it should all be the same as long as the driver is still new enough for the card |
| 21:49.03 | gnarface | frabbit: (if it's not though, you have where else to go now but to upgrade to unstable/ceres) |
| 21:49.37 | gnarface | frabbit: (i would leave that as a last resort) |
| 21:50.08 | frabbit | gnarface: i see |
| 21:50.36 | frabbit | specing: hello specing i do ;) |
| 21:50.38 | slvr | yeah, go one generation older |
| 21:50.42 | gnarface | frabbit: *nowhere else to go now, i meant to type, sorry |
| 21:51.19 | frabbit | gnarface: ok =) |
| 21:51.19 | specing | frabbit: ok good :D |
| 21:51.35 | frabbit | specing: u mean becuase i linked some morrowind stuff? |
| 21:51.37 | gnarface | slvr: the 1060's are honestly fine with that driver, i'm guessing he's getting some extra bugs because the 1030 was a very late model in that line |
| 21:51.42 | specing | frabbit: yes |
| 21:52.02 | frabbit | specing: i use openmw engine |
| 21:53.24 | frabbit | specing: but thank u for that link, cool wiki |
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| 22:02.12 | gnarface | frabbit, frabbit_: this should show you what Xorg has detected as your DPI so you can match it to your display manual: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep DPI |
| 22:02.56 | gnarface | i wouldn't bother changing it unless it's off by more than a couple points |
| 22:03.38 | gnarface | (most users just stop caring at this point if the default fonts in Xorg are readable) |
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| 22:08.17 | gnarface | frabbit: it looks completely normal to me, but there's no way to tell if it is actually correct without consulting the manufacturer's documentation for the monitor |
| 22:08.38 | gnarface | frabbit: if they didn't give you a hardcopy, there should still be a pdf on their website |
| 22:09.04 | frabbit | its a bit older and i bought it second hand, like nearly everything |
| 22:09.25 | gnarface | 93,95 is completely normal looking |
| 22:09.26 | frabbit | but what exactly do i need to do |
| 22:09.29 | gnarface | i get 93,94 here |
| 22:09.33 | gnarface | nothing |
| 22:09.44 | frabbit | oh ok |
| 22:09.46 | gnarface | you need to do nothing here, assuming that is correct, which it likely is |
| 22:10.09 | frabbit | i thought if maybe that kvm do some weid stuff |
| 22:10.12 | frabbit | *weird |
| 22:10.36 | gnarface | no the virtual consoles' font setting is entirely separate. if your fonts in Xorg are satisfactory then this is done |
| 22:11.02 | frabbit | sometimes when i switch "to fast" the resolution is blurry for example and i need to switch back and then switch back ageáin where i want to be |
| 22:11.19 | gnarface | that's weird but that sounds more like a driver bug we can't address directly |
| 22:11.30 | gnarface | i haven't seen that here |
| 22:11.41 | frabbit | yeah.. but really nothing serious so im cool with it ^_^ |
| 22:11.45 | gnarface | intermittent behavior of that sort is usually a driver bug |
| 22:11.54 | gnarface | sometimes it can be other things |
| 22:12.14 | gnarface | but usually even then it's just a chain reaction of things that started with a driver bug |
| 22:17.19 | frabbit | i hope i can reproduce this whole procedere if i need too... i need to read the whole log since yesterday and then extract all relevant information for that process, to write a short manual, for get nvidia cards running |
| 22:17.28 | frabbit | ^_^ |
| 22:18.05 | frabbit | last time i did this was for libreboot on the t60, that tooks days (but it was even more complicated) |
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| 22:20.33 | gnarface | well if you also plan on using steam or wine there's a bunch more stuff still missing from your setup, so you might want to wait until you decide whether that needs to be in your guide too |
| 22:21.59 | gnarface | and the backports part ostensibly wouldn't be necessary if the card wasn't newer than the distro release itself, but even that might change depending on what you'd actually plan to run in steam or wine |
| 22:22.15 | frabbit | no i wont. i do not use steam and will not. and wine is something i dont need, cause i have also a windows 7 on that gaming pc; i know its ugly but for gaming i dont like to struggle arround (ive used wine in the past with ubuntu) |
| 22:22.21 | gnarface | (Blizzard tends to require bleeding-edge drivers) |
| 22:22.56 | gnarface | yea if you don't need Steam or Wine you probably don't need any 32-bit stuff at all |
| 22:23.06 | gnarface | that saves some setup complications |
| 22:23.43 | frabbit | gog.com is something i maybe will use someday, but i really dont like the prices there... its way cheaper to buy the games second hand as dvd |
| 22:24.19 | gnarface | eh, it's also true that there's plenty of libre games to keep one busy |
| 22:24.34 | frabbit | yes like minetest =D |
| 22:25.00 | frabbit | "oh nice mod here..." *4 hours gone* |
| 22:25.19 | gnarface | ioquake3 is also great |
| 22:25.28 | gnarface | (and in the repos) |
| 22:26.15 | frabbit | yeah ive played "World of Padman" in the past =) |
| 22:26.39 | frabbit | but im more into adventures and rpgs |
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| 22:53.46 | frabbit_ | good night =) |
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| 23:17.14 | systemdlete | I'm having some flakey results with a tulip-based NIC on my testbox |
| 23:18.23 | systemdlete | It's an 8169 chip. Most times, there are no problems with it. But occasionally, upon boot, the NIC is dead. BTW, this is the built-in NIC on the board |
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| 23:19.29 | systemdlete | Also, note that the box is beowulf. |
| 23:20.09 | systemdlete | the ethernet port does not light up |
| 23:20.26 | systemdlete | Again, most boots, it works and actually flawlessly |
| 23:20.40 | systemdlete | any ideas are appreciated. |
| 23:21.20 | systemdlete | I have a 2nd NIC, but that was intended for testing various configurations. The on-board NIC is the "main" connection to the LAN. |
| 23:22.56 | systemdlete | oh, the kern.log does show that the driver failed |
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| 23:24.02 | fsmithred | systemdlete, is firmware-realtek installed? |
| 23:24.24 | systemdlete | worse news is that I have no more slots left on this tiny board... msi-7641 |
| 23:24.41 | systemdlete | hmmmm. not sure. Can it work without the firmware? |
| 23:24.53 | fsmithred | yeah, it can work without the firmware package |
| 23:25.20 | fsmithred | you would get messages at boot saying Possible missing firmware... |
| 23:25.24 | systemdlete | it appears to be installed, yes. THough judging from the version number, it seems rather old... |
| 23:25.38 | systemdlete | (oh, right.) |
| 23:26.03 | systemdlete | 20190114. WEll, not that old I guess |
| 23:26.28 | systemdlete | I'm googling around for this as we speak, btw |
| 23:26.55 | gnarface | systemdlete: is this on cold boot that it sometimes fails, or only on reboots? |
| 23:27.05 | fsmithred | back in wheey I used a package from ubuntu for an 8168 because the debian one didn't match exactly |
| 23:27.28 | systemdlete | I see that the rtl8169 driver IS loaded |
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| 23:27.31 | gnarface | well, if it's the backports kernel you have to make sure to get the backports firmware package too |
| 23:27.42 | gnarface | (the regular one will work and load but who knows how well) |
| 23:28.16 | gnarface | could be a BIOS issue though, too. if there's a setting for telling it to preserve ram contents for faster reboots, turn it OFF |
| 23:28.51 | gnarface | (yes, that will slow down your reboots but it will also make them always take the same amount of time) |
| 23:29.03 | fsmithred | don't seem to be any firmware packages in backports |
| 23:29.12 | systemdlete | kernel 5.4.0 |
| 23:29.17 | gnarface | there aren't? should be firmware-realtek? |
| 23:29.21 | gnarface | would be in non-free |
| 23:29.43 | gnarface | fsmithred: oh, 5.4; beowulf-backports, not ascii-backports |
| 23:29.50 | fsmithred | good call - I forgot to enable non-free for bpo |
| 23:30.14 | fsmithred | oh, I'm checking on the wrong computer |
| 23:30.16 | fsmithred | duh |
| 23:30.33 | gnarface | oh, but 20190114 should be the right one anyway |
| 23:30.45 | gnarface | i think... |
| 23:30.47 | gnarface | hmm, wait... |
| 23:31.16 | gnarface | oh, no it's not, it should be 20190717-2~bpo10+1 |
| 23:31.49 | systemdlete | yeah it's from backports. So, is the updated firmware in backports? |
| 23:31.50 | gnarface | and kernel 5.4.19-1~bpo10+1 |
| 23:31.57 | gnarface | systemdlete: confirmed |
| 23:32.03 | gnarface | systemdlete: firmware-realtek, right? |
| 23:32.04 | fsmithred | yes |
| 23:32.07 | systemdlete | huh... |
| 23:32.09 | systemdlete | yes |
| 23:32.30 | gnarface | i don't really know if it will fix this but it couldn't hurt to at least have the right version |
| 23:32.41 | gnarface | it's only supposed to need that for gigabit link speeds |
| 23:32.53 | systemdlete | apt update |
| 23:33.15 | systemdlete | apt install firmware-realtek tells me it is already at latest version |
| 23:33.22 | systemdlete | (ignore typo, thx) |
| 23:33.44 | fsmithred | apt install firmware-realtek/beowulf-backports |
| 23:33.53 | systemdlete | ah, ok. thanks |
| 23:33.59 | fsmithred | or apt -t beowulf-backports install ... |
| 23:34.40 | fsmithred | fuck, another new kernel |
| 23:34.43 | systemdlete | heh. I have to reboot and try to get an internet connection... or reconfig my cables... |
| 23:34.56 | fsmithred | after the one on 4/27 |
| 23:36.03 | gnarface | systemdlete: another thing to test would be just to ifdown then ifup the ethernet device after boot, and see if that works every time. tangentially (seen similar gremlins before based on power management) is it a Dell, and are you passing through a D-Link switch? |
| 23:36.04 | systemdlete | Question: If I reboot into an older kernel, will the firmware level make any difference? I mean, is it in *any* way keyed to the kernel? |
| 23:36.28 | systemdlete | I tried doing the whole service networking stop/start bit |
| 23:36.34 | gnarface | it's supposed to be directly tied to it, but i've noted that firmware-realtek package isn't very picky |
| 23:36.35 | fsmithred | that's a good question. I don't know the answer. |
| 23:36.36 | systemdlete | I tried downing the link also |
| 23:37.04 | systemdlete | I would hope it isn't, actually. I'd hope the firmware is 100% independent of the kernel! |
| 23:37.37 | systemdlete | iow, internal to the NIC firmware, with an always backwards-compat api |
| 23:38.10 | gnarface | unfortunately the firmware versions tend to only be tested for the kernel version they were intended to be distributed with, so while you're right in a fair world, this isn't one, and sometimes things get weird |
| 23:38.52 | gnarface | but i've seen more than one culprit for this basic symptom, and it could be anything from hardware power management to bad cabling |
| 23:38.54 | systemdlete | I tried ifdown/ifup on eth1 also without luck |
| 23:39.32 | gnarface | ifup/ifdown excludes the specific Dell BIOS bug i was thinking of. so much for that theory... |
| 23:39.38 | systemdlete | I have a switch inline between the two PCs so I can see which lines are lighting up. Currently only the workbox cable lights, the testbox does not |
| 23:39.48 | systemdlete | normally, both would like and blink with data |
| 23:40.01 | gnarface | you don't have avahi-daemon installed, do you? |
| 23:40.09 | systemdlete | I hope not! |
| 23:40.14 | gnarface | make sure |
| 23:40.39 | systemdlete | The first thing I do these days is hunt for pulseaudio, avahi, and any signs of systemd and eradicate them! |
| 23:40.50 | *** join/#devuan xcm (~xcm@ipd114.250.tellas.gr) |
| 23:41.17 | systemdlete | omg |
| 23:41.34 | systemdlete | yup. I will call the exterminators immediately!!! |
| 23:41.50 | systemdlete | goes off to sanitize his test box and reboot |
| 23:43.17 | gnarface | i don't know if that will fix this either, but it rules out one more common annoyance |
| 23:47.01 | *** join/#devuan xcm (~xcm@ipd114.250.tellas.gr) |
| 23:48.48 | systemdlete | upgraded the firmware, whose versioning does not seem related to the kernel version |
| 23:49.05 | systemdlete | performing mass upgrade to get the new kernel that fsmithred pointed at |
| 23:49.08 | systemdlete | (19) |
| 23:49.22 | systemdlete | I don't know what I'd do without you all |
| 23:50.36 | gnarface | does it work now though |
| 23:50.36 | gnarface | ? |
| 23:50.37 | systemdlete | devuan is like someone who had to have their arm amputated to remove disease. |
| 23:50.50 | systemdlete | not devuan's fault of course! |
| 23:51.03 | fsmithred | O |
| 23:51.21 | fsmithred | I've got 39 waiting for upgrade, and I just did it five days ago |
| 23:51.23 | systemdlete | well... ok maybe that's a bit strong, sorry |
| 23:51.37 | systemdlete | I have about that many also |
| 23:51.45 | systemdlete | that's why I said "mass" upgrade |
| 23:51.52 | systemdlete | I don't tend to this testbox much |
| 23:52.47 | systemdlete | btw, I did a "purge" not "remove" to get rid of avahi |
| 23:54.14 | systemdlete | uh-oh! |
| 23:54.31 | systemdlete | this is not good. Now when I switch back to the testbox, I get a blank screen. |
| 23:54.38 | systemdlete | the ethernet connection is still on |
| 23:54.52 | systemdlete | I can ping the testbox |
| 23:54.54 | gnarface | so we fixed the ethernet but broke the display? |
| 23:55.23 | *** join/#devuan ac_laptop (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) |
| 23:55.29 | systemdlete | We have invoked the wrath of Lord Poettering |
| 23:56.06 | systemdlete | I can't seem to ssh into the testbox from the workbox either... |
| 23:56.34 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 23:56.58 | systemdlete | I am wondering if any of those upgrades involved screen drivers of various kinds (X11 or kernel) |
| 23:57.02 | gnarface | did you do a full upgrade from backports? it might have been a mistake to upgrade more than the kernel and any related firmware/drivers from there |
| 23:57.07 | systemdlete | I didn't look carefully |
| 23:57.18 | systemdlete | uhm. |
| 23:57.25 | systemdlete | apt upgrade |
| 23:57.29 | gnarface | however if you're using for example, nvidia drivers, you need to make sure you always get the nvidia drivers *and* the kernel together from backports |
| 23:57.34 | systemdlete | when it asked me I said yes |
| 23:57.43 | systemdlete | omg |
| 23:58.08 | gnarface | nvidia's official binary drivers might work with a newer kernel but again it's one of those things that tend to be only tested in pairs |
| 23:58.10 | systemdlete | Istr you and I worked on that together a while back |
| 23:58.35 | systemdlete | I just switched again and the screen is still dead |
| 23:59.15 | systemdlete | reboot... |