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| 02:14.52 | Human_G33k | the website certificate is outdated or its just me ? |
| 02:16.17 | tuxd3v | expires on : 31 July 2020 |
| 02:16.28 | tuxd3v | almost there but not so :) |
| 02:18.45 | Human_G33k | for me it says outaded 01/03/2020. |
| 02:18.51 | Human_G33k | strange |
| 02:20.36 | tuxd3v | humm, you are talking about what domain? |
| 02:21.19 | Human_G33k | you change the server ip ? |
| 02:22.09 | Human_G33k | i use a custom host file fore my network tests (when no dns for ie) |
| 02:22.26 | Human_G33k | with the good ip it s look good |
| 02:22.59 | Human_G33k | but website can also access with the old one ip |
| 02:23.16 | tuxd3v | I am not sure but here I looked into devuan.org:54.36.142.179 |
| 02:23.29 | Human_G33k | me too now |
| 02:23.42 | Human_G33k | old one was 46.105.191.76 |
| 02:24.03 | tuxd3v | check your date :) |
| 02:24.42 | Human_G33k | my date is good as i say i have a static entry in my hosts file |
| 02:24.57 | tuxd3v | it could be that its outdated in some server, I believe its round drobin :) |
| 02:25.05 | tuxd3v | drobin -> robin |
| 02:25.40 | Human_G33k | ok |
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| 09:28.34 | ullet | i think i'm too retarded to build devuan for VIM3 tuxd3v :/ |
| 09:28.55 | ullet | but i might be able to live convert debian to devuan again |
| 09:29.02 | ullet | that worked on jetson nano |
| 09:30.21 | ullet | where did .dtbs come from anyway. who keeps inventing this new stuff we don't need. |
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| 10:58.37 | ShorTie | they are part of the kernel |
| 10:59.09 | ullet | since when |
| 10:59.50 | ShorTie | Sorry, have no idea on exact date |
| 11:00.18 | ShorTie | i know of them in 4.9.y, for arm atleast |
| 11:01.05 | ullet | ~ 2009 |
| 11:02.53 | ullet | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0905.3/01942.html |
| 11:17.23 | ShorTie | you just need a kernel |
| 11:17.46 | ShorTie | a compiled kernel would be the nicest |
| 11:18.41 | ShorTie | i use the raspberry pi arm64 compiled kernel with Devuan |
| 11:18.54 | ullet | not saying it's a bad idea. just a new thing that means i can't upgrade kernel |
| 11:19.55 | ShorTie | why you say that ?? |
| 11:20.57 | ShorTie | it is an extra step when compiling a kernel to make them |
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| 11:21.40 | ShorTie | they do not just automagically appear |
| 11:23.36 | ullet | well i have no .dtb for jetson nano |
| 11:23.41 | ullet | not for newer kernel |
| 11:23.45 | ullet | i am stuck with nvidia's |
| 11:24.44 | ullet | and i have no .dtb for khadas vim3 |
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| 11:32.13 | ShorTie | guess nvidia does use/need them, but arm does |
| 11:33.23 | ShorTie | i'd guess you just need a working kernel && u-boot, the rest is just a debootstrap |
| 11:34.12 | ShorTie | debootstrap doesn't do the kernel |
| 11:34.25 | ShorTie | so you can add any you want |
| 11:35.07 | ullet | ty |
| 11:35.22 | ShorTie | if you can grab someones deb, it makes it easy |
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| 11:42.30 | ShorTie | looks like a nifty board, you got 1 yet ?? |
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| 12:54.07 | ullet | yes ShorTie |
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| 17:16.25 | onefang | Something is wrong. Seriously wrong. My computers have been up for over two months. |
| 17:17.10 | onefang | I suspect Debian isn't providing kernel updates for Stretch anymore, except for the backported 4.19. So my ASCII installs are not getting rebooted when there is a new kernel. |
| 17:19.01 | onefang | Anyone tried the backported linux-image-amd64 4.19+105+deb10u3~bpo9+1 kernel on ASCII? Any problems? |
| 17:22.38 | gnarface | it might be time to consider beowulf if you need continued kernel updates. i don't think that stretch is getting less attention is a surprise to anyone. i haven't tried building it myself though. |
| 17:23.00 | gnarface | it might work but there's some question as to whether it's worth the risk |
| 17:23.12 | gnarface | no wait, scratch that |
| 17:23.16 | gnarface | it will probably work |
| 17:23.38 | gnarface | i just remembered i did build 5.2 or 5.3 for ascii on arm64 |
| 17:23.54 | gnarface | but there's still a question as to whether it's worth it |
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| 17:28.58 | gnarface | i guess the key info is i didn't build it on ascii. i built it on ceres and then tested it on ascii, beowulf and ceres. |
| 17:29.14 | gnarface | so that should work but you're still off the rails at that point |
| 17:29.37 | gnarface | (for arm64 there's no other choice though) |
| 17:30.13 | gnarface | (note arm64 as in aarch64, not amd64, to be clear) |
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| 17:46.48 | onefang | Since this involves some servers, one of which is a Devuan mirror, as well as my main desktop, I tend to be conservative and stick with what's very stable. I wasn't planning on upgrading to Beowulf until later this year, after lots of testing. Think I'll stick with that plan. |
| 17:47.11 | onefang | Just the lack of updated kernels got noticable. |
| 17:50.48 | gnarface | yea, it's oldstable though so that's fairly expected |
| 17:51.12 | gnarface | and it should be considered a risk, but if it's just a mirror then maybe your attack surface is low enough for it not to matter |
| 17:52.29 | onefang | Not just a mirror. I run two virtual worlds on it, and a secure chat server for local activists. |
| 17:53.03 | gnarface | er hmm. i'm changing my advice then. build the new kernels. |
| 17:54.26 | gnarface | hopefully at least your hardware is uniform enough that you don't have to build a different kernel for every server |
| 17:55.06 | onefang | Alas a mixture of Intel and AMD. |
| 17:55.30 | gnarface | bummer |
| 17:55.41 | gnarface | though that alone might not be enough for you to need different kernels |
| 17:56.00 | gnarface | i don't know what you have over there exactly |
| 17:57.20 | gnarface | on the plus side you can probably make the kernels significantly smaller in the process |
| 17:58.06 | onefang | I don't really want the extra maintenance burden of compiling my own kernels. I sometimes do that for a living, but then people are paying me to. B-) |
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| 18:03.05 | gnarface | well, this too can be automated... |
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| 18:07.08 | gnarface | i don't have any better advice sorry. life is full of touch choices. in theory someone else might be providing 3rd party kernels that would fit the bill but i really wouldn't recommend going that way either. |
| 18:07.19 | gnarface | *tough choices |
| 18:12.24 | gnarface | onefang: for whatever it's worth i have a beowulf amd64 system here and it has been up for weeks with no problems so far. seems completely stable as long as i don't try to sleep it. |
| 18:13.58 | gnarface | the "beta-ness" seems mostly to do with the upgrade process, but i didn't experience anything worse than a typical ceres upgrade |
| 18:13.59 | onefang | Yep, lots of people with stable Beowulfs running, which is why it'll likely actually get fully released any day / week now. Only a few issues to sort out I believe. |
| 18:15.20 | ullet | i find sid/beowulf caused me less problems than older ones |
| 18:16.01 | _abc_ | slightly defocus but... a smart guy's comments on systemd in several articles, search systemd in page https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/__Index |
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| 18:31.33 | _abc_ | I wonder if Chris Siebenmann is aware of devuan.org |
| 18:32.20 | _abc_ | To me he sounds like someone we would like to have on board here. At least I would. |
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| 19:42.38 | tuxd3v | does anyone notice the level of compression of xz in beowulf, or its just me? |
| 19:43.07 | tuxd3v | maybe improvments compared with the version in ascii |
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| 20:10.54 | gnarface | tuxd3v: didn't notice but also wasn't paying attention... you sure it's not just a change to the default? |
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| 20:12.00 | gnarface | tuxd3v: (default compression level mentioned in the man page for xz is -6 but i note that tar can inherit a different value for that through an environment variable) |
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| 20:20.16 | tuxd3v | gnarface, it could be, yes 6 is a value greatly used for compression but I was astinished by a xz compression done on beowulf..usually they tended to be around ~400MB is ascii, and I got a ~250MB compressed file. |
| 20:20.40 | tuxd3v | astinished -> astonished |
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