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| 01:06.43 | ebisu | How do I make ntpd work on Devuan 3? |
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| 01:21.46 | fsmithred | apt install ntp |
| 01:22.06 | fsmithred | then add some time servers to /etc/ntp.conf |
| 01:22.59 | fsmithred | (talking to myself again) |
| 01:23.14 | mason | fsmithred: Sometimes it's the only way to find intelligent conversation. |
| 01:23.14 | jungleprimes | yeah, there has been a bunch of that across the rooms today |
| 01:23.17 | jungleprimes | quick jumpers |
| 01:23.29 | onefang | Should come with some default time servers. |
| 01:23.36 | fsmithred | like they have somewhere to go? |
| 01:23.51 | mason | time-a.nist.gov works as a default for me, but having several is better |
| 01:24.37 | fsmithred | I just use ntpdate on most of my systems |
| 01:25.02 | mason | That can be rough for some services. |
| 01:25.21 | jungleprimes | (the installer sets up ntp in a decent default for home use way) |
| 01:25.28 | jungleprimes | and if you want to make an NTP server |
| 01:25.33 | jungleprimes | easy enough to edit the config and go |
| 01:27.34 | jungleprimes | chrony is cool |
| 01:27.45 | jungleprimes | has some nice features on top of NTP |
| 01:28.52 | mason | https://chrony.tuxfamily.org/comparison.html |
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| 03:25.09 | xrogaan | Huh, I just realized that 7zip for linux is unmaintained and unmaintainable. |
| 03:29.08 | aaro | in linux you use xz for the same level of compression |
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| 05:25.24 | ullet | morning! hi fsmithred i saw you posted beowulf arm images. thanks! |
| 05:26.37 | ullet | i notice there are .dts files from Khadas for the Khadas Vim3. Is there a way you could include those? There are some ubuntu and debian images on their site. Could we take the .dts from one of those? |
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| 06:09.39 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | take offtopic chat to #debianfork |
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| 06:16.13 | xrogaan | aaro: it's more about interoperability, how many people know about xz? Hello, a lot of people continue to use Rar. |
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| 10:13.34 | scramblez | Hi all, I'm trying to boot into a qemu qcow2 image and it complains about I/O error for a floppy. After a while "Gave up waiting for root file system device. ... ALERT! /dev/sda1/ does not exist" |
| 10:14.22 | scramblez | I also tried booting it with EFI instead of BIOS and it fails completely |
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| 10:24.13 | scramblez | Ah! OK, I added --no-floppy in the kernel line and then it tries to boot, but it can't find /dev/sda1 |
| 10:24.25 | scramblez | Perhaps I need to add this in the kernel line too? |
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| 10:30.52 | scramblez | Yes, switching /dev/sda1 to /dev/vda1 solved this problem |
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| 11:22.12 | ham5urg | Has anybody got 3d-kvm in its virtual machine running? |
| 11:26.12 | ullet | very nice bash script git clone https://github.com/aristocratos/bashtop |
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| 12:02.29 | zatumil | how does it look in a 80 columns terminal? |
| 12:02.56 | ullet | not so hot |
| 12:03.07 | ullet | also it uses rather much cpu |
| 12:03.25 | ullet | but the layout is fantastic for 'at a glance' seeing what network and cpu is doing historically |
| 12:18.20 | fsmithred | ullet, when it comes to arm, I am only a messenger. What's a .dts file? |
| 12:21.52 | fsmithred | the arm images in the installer tree (on pkgmaster.devuan.org) are created as part of the installer build. The images on arm-files.devuan.org were made by tuxd3v. |
| 12:24.41 | ullet | how could i assist getting Khadas VIM3 supported fsmithred ? |
| 12:25.00 | ullet | it's a reeally zippy little sbc |
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| 12:25.19 | fsmithred | "supported" is a hazy area when it comes to arm. |
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| 12:26.14 | fsmithred | you can create an image and share it with others in the arm forum and #devuan-arm channel. |
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| 12:27.28 | ullet | does that irc channel still need to be locked to unregistered freenode users? |
| 12:28.39 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 12:28.43 | fsmithred | is it locked? |
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| 12:35.51 | ullet | yes |
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| 14:59.44 | ham5urg | What is the purpose of the installed exim4 after a standard installation? |
| 15:00.22 | fsmithred | send system mail to root or first user |
| 15:01.36 | ham5urg | how to handle such emails in a network? could I configure exim4 to send mails to root@example.com? |
| 15:01.58 | fsmithred | I think so. Should be a simple config. |
| 15:02.02 | xinomilo | if you need system email for simple stuff, there's also much lighter msmtp-mta |
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| 15:07.23 | ham5urg | xinomilo, exim4 is the default. How to change it? |
| 15:09.02 | xinomilo | apt install msmtp-mta |
| 15:14.32 | ham5urg | I'm looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s05.html.en Which one is the correct one? I would like to have no local delivery (neither for root) and forward all to an external site. |
| 15:15.03 | ham5urg | 'internet site'? |
| 15:17.14 | xinomilo | for exim : "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" probably |
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| 15:44.55 | Akuli | on beowulf, how to 'sudo apt install foo' such that 'foo' becomes the version that it was back in ascii? |
| 15:45.25 | slvr | you can add the ascii repo with a lower priority and specify that you want to use that repo at install time. |
| 15:45.28 | slvr | then pin the package. |
| 15:45.33 | slvr | er, 'hold' |
| 15:52.18 | Akuli | nice to know, turns out that i don't need that after all |
| 15:52.38 | Akuli | 'foo' is actually mate-system-monitor, which has the old behaviour as an option in the menu, it's just different by default |
| 15:59.17 | gnarface | ham5urg: be smart. be cautious. don't send your root mail to google. |
| 16:00.16 | gnarface | ham5urg: (the official advise is never to send it off the system, but i know that may be impractical in some cases, just make sure you never send it to a server that you or your corporate entity doesn't fully own) |
| 16:01.50 | ham5urg | gnarface, no, emails are going to my email server, my domain for which I pay for. |
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| 16:46.16 | LucasRamage[m] | So does devuan aim to support arbitray packages not available upstream? |
| 16:47.28 | gnarface | no |
| 16:47.39 | LucasRamage[m] | Perhaps my question should go to #devuan-dev instead |
| 16:48.19 | gnarface | possibly. there is ascii-proposed, and beowulf-proposed |
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| 16:48.52 | gnarface | but for the most part they try to push fixes upstream and recommend new packages come in that way too |
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| 17:42.17 | ejr | hi. why would username not be allowed to do e.g. sudo ifconfig when username is aprt of the sudo group? |
| 17:42.29 | ejr | because i have this issue on my fresh beowulf install |
| 17:42.48 | MinceR | probably because the line in sudoers that allows sudo group to use sudo is commented |
| 17:42.53 | MinceR | edit it with visudo |
| 17:42.59 | ejr | i did that |
| 17:43.12 | bgstack15 | you can check what commands your user is allowed to run: sudo -l |
| 17:43.17 | bgstack15 | that's lowercase L as in Lima |
| 17:43.45 | bgstack15 | perhaps the sudoers group has some limitations on what it can run. I've also seen people get confused when sudo asks for a password. |
| 17:43.58 | ejr | ahhh! i think i had a type on my visudo entry ._. |
| 17:44.03 | ejr | ALL;ALL instead of ALL:ALL |
| 17:44.06 | ejr | that's probably it... |
| 17:44.14 | bgstack15 | If you want to omit the password query, you need to modify your sudoers line with: NOPASSWD: /bin/command |
| 17:44.21 | bgstack15 | That would do it too |
| 17:44.28 | MinceR | another possible reason is if the user logged in before they were added to the sudo group :> |
| 17:44.41 | bgstack15 | ooh, good thinking |
| 17:45.50 | ejr | thanks for the hint with sudo -l bkstack15, if not for that I would not have seen the typo spelled out so clearly anytime soon. lol |
| 17:46.23 | gnarface | hey ejr did you get the xorg issue solved? after you left it was mentioned you should try the xorg-server-legacy package, which should add the suid root wrapper for xorg (after further thinking on it, i recalled that it was probably a different driver that could be run without it) |
| 17:46.53 | ejr | gnarface: no, i didnt. I did a fresh install this afternoon (and am setting it up right now). |
| 17:46.57 | ejr | But thanks for asking :) |
| 17:48.11 | gnarface | ejr: on some platforms, xorg will select the modesetting (aka KMS) driver for Intel video chips by default, which in recent versions can be run fully in user mode. but i noticed from your logs you're using the actual Intel one by name. i forgot to ask if you got that by adding it to a custom xorg.conf or if it is passing over the modsetting driver for you all on it's own |
| 17:48.50 | gnarface | ejr: with the xorg-server-legacy package installed, it should work for every user in the "video" group |
| 17:49.08 | ejr | well, i never set up any intel driver manually afaicr |
| 17:49.27 | gnarface | ok, noted. that's not important here i was just curious wtf it's doing |
| 17:50.17 | gnarface | running it with the suid-root wrapper wouldn't be as secure as just running it as a bare user, but it looks like there's ultimately no way around that if you want any sort of hardware acceleration capabilities |
| 17:50.56 | gnarface | it does make me wonder if you'd be able to tell it to load the modesetting driver instead and get it to work as your own user but i can't be sure it's worth the effort even to test that |
| 17:51.47 | gnarface | if it's picking the Intel one by default it probably has a good reason |
| 17:51.49 | ejr | when i have set up my system, i might try if you'd like me to |
| 17:52.16 | gnarface | well, just make sure the xorg-server-legacy package and being in the "video" group is enough first. |
| 17:52.56 | gnarface | testing the modesetting driver for this isn't a high value task |
| 17:52.59 | ejr | ok, i will get back to you later on this for sure |
| 17:53.15 | ejr | (need to get finished with my config first so that i'm set for work) |
| 17:54.21 | fsmithred | you also need to add 'needs_root_rights=yes' to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 17:55.28 | fsmithred | xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 18:09.01 | gnarface | fsmithred: doesn't it do that automatically? |
| 18:09.44 | gnarface | mine is working here and i don't have that in there |
| 18:09.52 | gnarface | it has this instead: allowed_users=console |
| 18:10.08 | gnarface | and a comment to use "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" if you want the file regenerated |
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| 18:10.41 | fsmithred | If I can remember which VM I used to test that, I'll try it without the line. |
| 18:10.43 | gnarface | i guess i can't be sure i didn't make that change myself, this system has crossed a lot of upgrades |
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| 18:11.07 | fsmithred | what I said to do is what we have in ascii release notes |
| 18:11.23 | gnarface | ah, so it might have simply changed since then |
| 18:11.34 | gnarface | since this is ceres here |
| 18:13.13 | fsmithred | not working here without the line. This is ceres. |
| 18:13.19 | fsmithred | do you have elogind installed? |
| 18:17.15 | gnarface | noep |
| 18:17.18 | gnarface | nope* |
| 18:17.28 | gnarface | oh |
| 18:17.34 | gnarface | i don't have a graphical login either though |
| 18:17.39 | gnarface | i just run startx |
| 18:17.54 | gnarface | and i am in the "video" group |
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| 18:21.25 | fsmithred | I'm in video group here |
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| 19:46.58 | Guest48151 | *i don't have a graphical login either though*, gnarface |
| 19:47.16 | Guest48151 | gnarface: did you know about ly? |
| 19:47.27 | Guest48151 | https://github.com/cylgom/ly |
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| 20:07.14 | gnarface | heh, i did not know about that. that's cute |
| 20:08.20 | furrywolf | "pecifically designed not to depend on logind. You should be able to make it work easily with a better init" sounds like we have common opinions. :) |
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