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| 14:24.01 | GeneralStupid | Hi, yesterday i upgraded to beowulf, since then I have some mail issues... I use dovecot and postfix. The issue i cannot solve is, that dovecot is saving incoming mails twice |
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| 14:27.21 | gnarface | GeneralStupid: first thing you should do in a situation like this is check debian's bug tracker to see if it has already been reported as an issue (if so, they might have a temporary fix posted as well, and if not there is a possibility the damage is self-inflicted) |
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| 14:29.52 | GeneralStupid | gnarface: does not look like |
| 14:30.54 | gnarface | GeneralStupid: the second thing i would do then is verify that those packages are the right versions (distro-mixing or even using of backports in the previous release might have left behind some mismatching versions that escape upgrade) |
| 14:32.46 | GeneralStupid | gnarface: i also checked this. core, sieve and everything else are the same version |
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| 14:33.36 | gnarface | GeneralStupid: alright, seems like it must be a bug then. best report it. anything interesting show up in the logs or does it seem to be functioning correctly other than duplicating stuff? |
| 14:34.05 | gnarface | GeneralStupid: is there any possibility custom configs could just be accidentally launching the daemon twice or something? |
| 14:35.59 | GeneralStupid | i just raised the verbosity level. |
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| 19:34.15 | TwistedFate | help someone, my in-game FPS is limited to 60FPS but i don't have v-sync on.. what could cause this? |
| 19:51.33 | sixwheeledbeast | the game is set to 60 or it cant get any faster? |
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| 20:21.08 | TwistedFate | sixwheeledbeast: it was force locked to 60 FPS even though the v-sync was off |
| 20:21.19 | TwistedFate | turned out it was an overlay called mangoHUD that caused it |
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| 22:29.39 | HeteroChromia420 | hi folks! i'm having issues installing KDE Connect on Devuan Beowulf. seems that one of the dependencies (libpolkit-qt5-1-1) depends on libpam-systemd. is there a way to get this dependency met in some other way? |
| 22:31.03 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: try libpam-elogind |
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| 22:33.36 | HeteroChromia420 | alright, installing libpam-elogind does say that will remove lxsession-logout and package-update-indicator (which are two things i'm relying on this minimal Openbox Session i've set up) |
| 22:34.55 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: i think you'd probably have to alter the package dependencies on those packages |
| 22:35.10 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: i'm not sure if more work than that would have to be done or not |
| 22:35.38 | HeteroChromia420 | yikes, that doesn't sound much fun. guess i'm staying without kdeconnect then. |
| 22:35.51 | HeteroChromia420 | i can just look at my phone i guess lol |
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| 22:38.03 | ullet_ | just some changes to debian/control or something |
| 22:38.05 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: isn't kdeconnect already in the repos? |
| 22:38.11 | ullet_ | but how to get that fixed for other users |
| 22:38.25 | HeteroChromia420 | kdeconnect is in the repos, yes |
| 22:38.35 | RhineDevil | I'm having trouble with this config, basically there is a dhcp server listening on vmbr0 but the lxc container packets for dhcp requests sent on broadcast can't be seen by wireshark on neither lxcbr0 or vmbr0, please help https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e6923b28 |
| 22:38.54 | RhineDevil | macvlan module is enabled as well |
| 22:38.56 | HeteroChromia420 | at least i can grab it straight from apt install kdeconnect without needing a 3rd party repo |
| 22:39.23 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: if the one in the repos is depending on libpam-systemd instead of libpam-elogind that might be a outstanding bug or it might be an issue with your install... |
| 22:39.45 | HeteroChromia420 | probably, yeah |
| 22:40.21 | HeteroChromia420 | i'll see if i can install lxsession-logout and the package update indicator with elogind |
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| 22:45.03 | HeteroChromia420 | alright, i can. |
| 22:45.08 | HeteroChromia420 | so that solves that |
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| 22:48.08 | stovepipe | lol i was trying to figure out why my date was 12 hours off, then i noticed the PM |
| 22:48.12 | stovepipe | when did this madness start |
| 22:48.17 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: if this is a upgrade from Debian, you may have some debian packages still scattered around |
| 22:50.21 | HeteroChromia420 | i did a fresh minimal install from the netinstall CD, maybe some of the packages of my openbox session setup script were conflicting with each other? doesn't matter anymore, it's fixed |
| 22:51.11 | gnarface | hmm, does the openbox setup script pull packages in from elsewhere? |
| 22:51.23 | gnarface | yes, the important thing is that it works now |
| 22:51.31 | HeteroChromia420 | nope, it just uses apt to get the packages |
| 22:52.10 | stovepipe | is it like that on all linux now? no longer showing proper 24h time? |
| 22:52.43 | gnarface | stovepipe: i assume it's a setting |
| 22:52.50 | stovepipe | oh i'm sure |
| 22:52.54 | stovepipe | BUT WHY |
| 22:53.04 | stovepipe | tardification |
| 22:54.21 | stovepipe | default output on unix should always be 24h |
| 22:55.29 | HeteroChromia420 | the only thing i do "get" in that script is apt-fast, but i believe apt-fast only fetches stuff from whatever's located in the apt repos so i don't think that would bring any problem. |
| 22:57.10 | HeteroChromia420 | so probably it's a conflict between kdeconnect's and the polkit i was trying to obtain |
| 22:57.15 | HeteroChromia420 | idk |
| 22:57.29 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: i would try to make sure it's using the system sources not something hardcoded or hidden elsewhere that might be pointing to debian repos |
| 22:57.40 | stovepipe | of course all information is on how to change output on command, and not how to undo this madness |
| 22:57.45 | stovepipe | so fun! |
| 22:59.07 | stovepipe | its also forcing xclock to display incorrectly |
| 22:59.12 | gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? |
| 22:59.57 | stovepipe | timezone is all correct, its just diusplaying AM/PM instead of proper 24h |
| 23:00.07 | gnarface | or maybe dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:00.44 | stovepipe | nothing in either of those about that |
| 23:01.14 | gnarface | try appending this to your /etc/default/locale file: C_TIME=C.UTF-8 |
| 23:01.34 | gnarface | or wait no, actually run this: update-locale LC_TIME=C.UTF-8 |
| 23:01.37 | gnarface | should do the same thing |
| 23:03.37 | stovepipe | but i never had to do that on anything before, everything else i have says LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 23:04.05 | stovepipe | as does this one |
| 23:05.12 | gnarface | it has changed recently |
| 23:05.31 | stovepipe | someone needs to be punished |
| 23:05.39 | stovepipe | this is bad |
| 23:05.51 | ullet_ | whaa |
| 23:05.54 | gnarface | i think this is a case of the old way actually being in violation of the standard, despite being what people were used to |
| 23:06.20 | ullet_ | will C.UTF-8 not break all my old things? |
| 23:06.33 | stovepipe | this scenario breaks a whole lot of things |
| 23:06.49 | ullet_ | never touch a running system |
| 23:08.26 | HeteroChromia420 | gnarface: looks like that you were right. apt-fast seems to have debian repos hardcoded. looks like we have a culprit then. |
| 23:08.40 | gnarface | HeteroChromia420: good to know |
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| 23:09.18 | stovepipe | why does beowulf installer create 2 efi entries |
| 23:10.24 | rrq | it does? |
| 23:10.38 | stovepipe | it did here |
| 23:10.59 | rrq | afaik the installer creates 0 entries |
| 23:11.32 | stovepipe | on my efi boot m enu there are 2 debian entries, they appear to be identical |
| 23:11.42 | stovepipe | the both boot beowulf |
| 23:12.12 | stovepipe | too late now anyway i already deleted it |
| 23:13.03 | rrq | isn't that "menu" created b the EFI software itself? |
| 23:13.41 | stovepipe | efibootmgr also sees it |
| 23:15.07 | stovepipe | maybe i installed twice and dont remember, would that cause that? |
| 23:15.24 | stovepipe | too late to investigate now anyway i should have brought it up earlier |
| 23:15.33 | rrq | the boot loading would have been installed by grub-efi (something) |
| 23:15.58 | rrq | ... assuming you use grub |
| 23:16.04 | stovepipe | still had artix and old devuan skidmarks in there, cleaned that all up |
| 23:16.19 | stovepipe | well yeah grub is on there, but i dont really use it |
| 23:16.42 | stovepipe | i just use the onboard boot menu |
| 23:17.13 | stovepipe | freebsd devuan and windows |
| 23:19.13 | rrq | you may have noted that the beta2 netinstall iso, like the beta, is not fully adapted to the idea of "offline net install" ... |
| 23:19.58 | stovepipe | heh what even is that |
| 23:20.26 | stovepipe | i saw someone mention that before |
| 23:20.46 | stovepipe | i would assume that if youre offline, a netinstall isnt possible anyway |
| 23:20.52 | stovepipe | so ? |
| 23:21.54 | rrq | yeah, it seems to be a common thing, to use netinstall for getting a "minimal system" |
| 23:22.00 | stovepipe | oic |
| 23:22.20 | stovepipe | i didnt notice any beta2 at all btw |
| 23:22.26 | stovepipe | i dont think |
| 23:22.36 | stovepipe | used the march 13 spin |
| 23:23.09 | stovepipe | i did notice when i was compiling i was getting time errors |
| 23:23.29 | stovepipe | building something now before i try that change |
| 23:23.49 | stovepipe | it was complaining about inconsistent time or something |
| 23:24.23 | stovepipe | oh of course now its not doing it |
| 23:25.11 | rrq | that might have been due to the installer not propagating locale setting properly... |
| 23:25.20 | stovepipe | i had already fixed that though |
| 23:25.23 | stovepipe | its the first thing i did |
| 23:25.37 | stovepipe | i think... |
| 23:25.37 | stovepipe | heh |
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| 23:25.51 | stovepipe | already went through that in my testing before |
| 23:26.06 | stovepipe | i guess i'll just accept that i didnt |
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| 23:27.15 | stovepipe | this time fiasco is going to break countless scripts and things that expect 24 time |
| 23:27.34 | sgage | stovepipe: re: the two Debian entries - one invokes shimx64 and the other invokes grubx64 |
| 23:27.40 | stovepipe | just another thing to remember i guess |
| 23:27.57 | sgage | try efibootmgr -v and you can see exactly what is going on. |
| 23:28.10 | stovepipe | heh i already deleted it |
| 23:28.38 | stovepipe | it would be nice if they were labelled differently |
| 23:29.18 | stovepipe | wonder which one i ended up with |
| 23:29.43 | stovepipe | SHIMX64 apparently |
| 23:30.12 | stovepipe | is that going to bite me later |
| 23:31.30 | sgage | don't know if it'll bite you later. I didn't like seeing 2, and always deleted |
| 23:31.45 | sgage | the second one, and nothing bad ever happened. :) |
| 23:31.47 | stovepipe | i see something about secure boot workaround |
| 23:32.50 | sgage | Yes, shimx64 satisfies secure boot, and requires a signed kernel to boot. |
| 23:33.05 | sgage | debian kernels are all signed now |
| 23:33.21 | sgage | so you can use secure boot if you want to. |
| 23:33.28 | stovepipe | i dont heh |
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| 23:33.41 | stovepipe | so if i build a custom kernel it wont boot now? |
| 23:34.09 | sgage | that's a good question. there are ways to register keys and all, |
| 23:34.23 | stovepipe | i'm too old to remember all these little silly things! |
| 23:34.26 | sgage | but i'd be lying if i said i understood it |
| 23:34.34 | stovepipe | i dont like knowing things will bite me later |
| 23:35.06 | stovepipe | but yeah those entries should be labelled differently |
| 23:35.27 | stovepipe | and also should say devuan and not debian heh |
| 23:35.33 | stovepipe | thats a bit depressing |
| 23:35.38 | sgage | just delete the shim* packages if you don't want anything to do with SB |
| 23:35.57 | sgage | I agree, should be labelled |
| 23:36.17 | stovepipe | but what would that do to the shim efi entry, which is now the only one i have :) |
| 23:36.29 | stovepipe | i think i'll just leave it alone now |
| 23:37.01 | sgage | i think the other comes back with update-grub. try it and see. |
| 23:37.22 | rrq | might need grub-install ? |
| 23:37.48 | sgage | if not, try sudo grub-install --recheck --no-floppy --force as rrq suggested. |
| 23:38.02 | stovepipe | maybe i will just for sanity |
| 23:38.02 | sgage | followed by update-grub |
| 23:38.33 | sgage | yes, you can just have nothing to do with SB if that's what you want |
| 23:38.39 | rrq | .. and maybe rename the current menu entry first so it's easier to delete |
| 23:38.46 | sgage | That's how I do it. |
| 23:38.49 | rrq | the right one |
| 23:38.59 | stovepipe | heh |
| 23:40.11 | sgage | efibootmgr -v will help you sort it out. |
| 23:41.31 | sgage | efibootmgr is very handy if you run lots of different distros and such, |
| 23:41.33 | stovepipe | what i should do is rename it so it says devuan |
| 23:41.42 | sgage | you can |
| 23:42.13 | stovepipe | i already put it all back the way it was, but now i'm motivated to do that |
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| 23:43.04 | sgage | before you run update-grub, edit the ID line in os-release to change debian to devuan, and you'll be good. |
| 23:43.48 | stovepipe | oh |
| 23:44.10 | stovepipe | no editing grub.cfg? |
| 23:45.09 | sgage | no need to edit grub.cfg |
| 23:45.15 | stovepipe | ok i see |
| 23:45.31 | stovepipe | i havent been using linux much in years, i'm still in an old grub state of mind |
| 23:45.37 | sgage | update-grub takes its cues from /etc/os-release |
| 23:46.00 | sgage | ah, yes, old grub was very different. |
| 23:46.15 | sgage | you really don't want to mess with grub.cfg these days |
| 23:46.20 | stovepipe | yeah |
| 23:46.39 | stovepipe | so i basically have avoided it entirely and end up knowing nothing about grub |
| 23:47.02 | sgage | do what you need in /etc/defaults/grub |
| 23:48.25 | sgage | lots of things that weren't broken have been fixed :-/ |
| 23:49.00 | stovepipe | heh now i have 2 debian and one devuan entries |
| 23:49.26 | stovepipe | and the one devuan is shim |
| 23:50.19 | stovepipe | what happened there |
| 23:50.51 | sgage | did you remove the shim packages? did you reinstall grub? |
| 23:50.58 | stovepipe | didnt touch anything else |
| 23:51.17 | stovepipe | i changed os-release like you said and ran grub again |
| 23:51.31 | stovepipe | before i changed os-release it was still creating the same 2 debian entries |
| 23:51.43 | stovepipe | this time it just created one shim devuan entry |
| 23:52.09 | stovepipe | hois there a limit to the number of boot entries |
| 23:53.24 | sgage | i just changed os-release to debian, ran grub-install, and have one devuan entry |
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| 23:53.47 | stovepipe | then i deleted both debian entries, but when i rebooted one was still there |
| 23:53.53 | sgage | pointing to grubx64. i deleted all the shim packages beforehand |
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| 23:54.38 | sgage | delete the shim packages, and reinstall grub as per the line I gave above |
| 23:55.01 | sgage | then update-grub. the debian entries will be leftover, and you should |
| 23:55.07 | stovepipe | but why isnt it creating 2 like it did before |
| 23:55.27 | stovepipe | i just tried to delete the other debian entry (grub) and it came back again |
| 23:55.31 | sgage | have one devuan entry pointing to grubx64 |
| 23:55.53 | stovepipe | right now i have one debian grub and one devuan shim |
| 23:55.56 | sgage | i am not quite sure what you have tried, and the order in which you tried them |
| 23:56.15 | stovepipe | efibootmgr -b 6 -B |
| 23:56.20 | stovepipe | is the debian grub entry |
| 23:56.27 | stovepipe | it seems to be refusing to remove it |
| 23:56.49 | stovepipe | i wanted to see if it would create 2 devuan entries like it was before i renamed it |
| 23:56.57 | stovepipe | without touching any shim stuff |
| 23:57.31 | sgage | I don't know what your goal is - i thought you wanted to get rid of SB stuff? |
| 23:57.35 | stovepipe | just out of curiosity |
| 23:58.05 | stovepipe | mostly just observing behavior right now |
| 23:59.00 | stovepipe | ok, deleted again, ran grub-install, efibootmgr -v shows one devuan shim entry at #1 |
| 23:59.28 | stovepipe | why isnt it creating 2 like it was before i renamed it to devuan |
| 23:59.37 | stovepipe | that seems odd |
| 23:59.46 | stovepipe | and the debian entry appeared again! |