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04:17.50 | gnarface | anyone seen or heard of a fix for cpu core "soft-lockups" on suspend? might be relevant to AMD motherboards and NVidia video cards, particularly more recent ones like the 1060. |
04:18.09 | gnarface | happening on the ascii backport kernel |
04:18.19 | gnarface | (and backport nvidia drivers) |
04:18.31 | gnarface | can not reliably be reproduced |
04:18.49 | gnarface | but always happens on suspend (maybe 1/5 times or so by current statistics?) |
04:23.09 | furrywolf | my ascii backport kernel box hangs on suspend about 1/3rd of the time, on an intel laptop with amd video. lol |
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04:42.56 | gnarface | hmmm. thanks for the info, furrywolf. it looks like beowulf is using about the same kernel version so i doubt upgrading is gonna fix that... |
04:43.13 | gnarface | hmm, although maybe i could just try building something later than 5.x for it... |
04:44.14 | furrywolf | suspend has always been one of the least-reliable things, yet also one of the hardest to troubleshoot... |
04:44.22 | gnarface | i've been avoiding dealing with this for my own machines because i just leave them on but now i'm trying to help a windows refugee get full hardware support back |
04:44.43 | gnarface | suspend seems to be a sticking point |
04:46.25 | gnarface | furrywolf: have you looked into any bios-level mitigations, like disabling "c1e" power saving or stuff like that? |
04:46.48 | gnarface | intel might call it something else |
04:46.57 | furrywolf | not on this box. I'm not sure it even provides any configurability of such things. |
04:47.24 | gnarface | there is a corresponding kernel config param for intel boards, i couldn't find the amd equivalent... |
04:49.21 | gnarface | i think i saw someone mention setting intel_idle.max_cstate=7 or something like that (in conjunction with a bug that was supposed to have been fixed since 4.15 or 4.17) |
04:51.47 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
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05:54.06 | gnarface | google really thinks i am interested in ryzen-specific results about this, but it seems to be happening to everyone |
05:54.31 | gnarface | (and this board is actually much older) |
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11:14.44 | gnarface | thanks for the beowulf mini live beta iso. very timely, very useful. |
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11:39.19 | msiism | fsmithred: Question on Refracta releases: Is there any particular reason the checksum file for the images has the ".txt" extension? I mean, this is not necessary, is it? |
11:40.46 | msiism | I'm asking because I'm working on another project and was wondering how checksum files and signatures are best named and organized. |
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11:43.04 | fsmithred | msiism, that's so you can read it online in web browser |
11:44.42 | msiism | Oh, good to know. |
11:45.20 | msiism | fsmithred: Thanks. |
11:45.57 | fsmithred | gnarface, maybe intel.pstate? |
11:46.27 | fsmithred | I had to mess with that to get rid of some lockups |
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11:48.25 | fsmithred | msiism, the preferred method is to put the checksums in one file and then sign that file with a detached sig |
11:50.40 | msiism | Yeah, I figured. |
11:52.03 | msiism | With a reasonably modern 'sha256sum', you can then use --ignore-missing to make life easy for yourself. |
11:52.45 | onefang | Security isn't meant to be convenient. |
11:52.49 | fsmithred | what are you ignoring? |
11:53.40 | msiism | fsmithred: Missing files. |
11:54.11 | msiism | fsmithred: So you don't get a barrage of "this and that is missing", when you verify the checksums. |
11:54.18 | fsmithred | oh, I always read them to compare |
11:54.50 | msiism | I tend to use 'sha256sum -c --ignore-missing <checksum file>' |
11:55.07 | fsmithred | yeah, that's easier. |
11:56.05 | msiism | onefang: That's debatable. The question is, I think: Convenient for which party? Sure, security should make attacks inconvenient. |
11:57.28 | onefang | I was joking around with the usual phrase "trade off between security and convenience". |
11:58.49 | msiism | Ok, I missed the joke then⦠:) |
11:59.22 | onefang | Knew I should have put a smiley after it. lol |
11:59.32 | gnarface | fsmithred: yea that's what google told me too, but it's AMD |
12:00.17 | msiism | onefang: I was doing some Lisp execises in parallel. So, my focus was kind of limited. |
12:03.08 | yeti | looks twice... yay msiism! |
12:03.15 | yeti | _o/ |
12:03.34 | msiism | yeti: Hello. :) |
12:05.10 | msiism | yeti: I've had a look at your website recently. Turns out it's pretty stable. ;) |
12:05.37 | yeti | I have a website? |
12:05.52 | msiism | I think so, yes. |
12:06.11 | yeti | nah... just some notes... boring stuff for nearly everyone |
12:06.29 | onefang | The most stable web site is the one that doesn't exist. |
12:06.57 | msiism | yeti: The colors make up for any such shortcomings. |
12:07.05 | yeti | aaah that one |
12:07.22 | yeti | that will fade away |
12:07.30 | yeti | that was from my life before orgmode |
12:07.32 | yeti | :-Ã |
12:07.48 | msiism | I see. |
12:07.56 | msiism | But it should be archived. |
12:08.26 | yeti | even worse... |
12:09.29 | yeti | https://web.archive.org/web/20160312183735/http://yeti.freeshell.org/ |
12:09.56 | yeti | the beginings hat a fake CET font |
12:12.14 | yeti | that was later thrown to gitlab |
12:15.26 | msiism | I see. The gitlab version is an improvement. |
12:16.46 | yeti | but it's the dark side too |
12:16.58 | yeti | msgithub, googlegitlab |
12:17.01 | yeti | :-( |
12:18.16 | msiism | Yeah, luckly I know somone who runs a server with his own gitlab instance that I can use. |
12:18.47 | msiism | Also (a bit off-topic, but still): The FSF is going to launch a code hosting platform, IIRC. |
12:19.20 | yeti | I have gitea @home but still on my main notebook |
12:19.39 | yeti | tat needs a permanent home on some armish helper |
12:19.44 | yeti | someday |
12:19.58 | yeti | then it at least will get a public onion address |
12:20.06 | yeti | or more |
12:20.47 | yeti | and the old pages will probably merge in an org-brain when it gets a stable exporter |
12:21.56 | yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/orgy/fastspin/fastspin.html |
12:22.12 | yeti | boring but useful... |
12:22.27 | yeti | https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/comment/1479243/ |
12:22.32 | yeti | motivational |
12:22.56 | yeti | LP & RR are the way to go |
12:25.02 | msiism | bookmarks that |
12:25.26 | yeti | That's only a short bait... |
12:25.48 | yeti | didn't help un that microcontrollerfirum |
12:25.59 | yeti | they want to stay mousepushers |
12:26.29 | yeti | and ditch perfectionism |
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12:26.49 | yeti | glue your code together and if time is a problem, add doc later |
12:27.08 | yeti | ifen if fairli imperfect, it is a seed that'll grow later |
12:27.34 | yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/orgy/fastspin/fastspin.html some git fairly lon menawhile |
12:28.22 | yeti | and yield feedback |
12:28.35 | yeti | more than the old colourful stuff |
12:28.58 | yeti | which even repelled some because of the colour |
12:29.24 | yeti | soon gets bitten by gl... |
12:31.57 | yeti | määän... looking at all the typos... need a caffeine soup, |
12:32.39 | yeti | https://yeti.tilde.institute/boc.html#org374e3e1 <<< spicing org stuff up with css is not prob |
12:33.50 | yeti | https://github.com/fniessen/org-html-themes <<< a readthedoc like style |
12:34.31 | yeti | org in git + that style might be a substitute for doc in a wiki |
12:35.52 | yeti | I think life is easier with orgmode and while I prefer boring layouts now, it can do the opposite too |
12:37.56 | msiism | has yet to try Emacs |
12:40.14 | yeti | org/babel is the interesting part and dired and tramp |
12:40.32 | yeti | http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/literate-devops.html |
12:41.38 | yeti | it keeps scrips, results and doc in one place... |
12:41.57 | yeti | without it these parts tend to diverge |
12:42.07 | yeti | lots of uglyness |
12:42.44 | msiism | "howardism" â that's my kind of humor, obviously. |
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12:45.48 | yeti | someday emacs will be my desktop |
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