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| 00:37.38 | stovepipe | locate locale |
| 00:37.42 | stovepipe | oop |
| 00:38.36 | stovepipe | not even sure why i typed that, i was supposed to be searching this window to see if anyone was talking abou tit |
| 00:38.56 | stovepipe | got an error while updating |
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| 00:43.00 | stovepipe | https://pastebin.com/Nf8aJ81X |
| 00:46.29 | tponaf | stovepipe maybe set your LC_ALL to equal $LANG |
| 00:46.50 | tponaf | i don't remember the difference |
| 00:47.02 | stovepipe | the locale command also errors |
| 00:47.09 | stovepipe | yeah but this is with a default install though |
| 00:48.13 | stovepipe | installer didnt set it right |
| 00:48.46 | tponaf | dpkg-reconfigure locales will allow you to select and reset your locale environment variables |
| 00:48.56 | tponaf | i'm using en_DK.UTF-8 for 24h timezone |
| 00:49.00 | stovepipe | i know i can fix it, but it needs to be fixed in the installer |
| 00:50.37 | stovepipe | https://pastebin.com/gta4jjzg |
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| 00:53.00 | tponaf | i'd be happy if you would fix it stovepipe |
| 00:53.21 | stovepipe | heh i'm not in charge of any of that |
| 00:54.01 | stovepipe | also grub still says debian |
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| 03:04.49 | tuxd3v | hello all, I have installed manually the Nvidia driver '390.87', but I know that on 418.X there are better thermal handling, and performance for my gtx1060 6GB, so the backports have '418.74-1~bpo9+1' :) |
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| 03:05.23 | tuxd3v | my question is that if anybody already installed the ascii-backports version on ascii? :) |
| 03:06.39 | tuxd3v | in the past I had never installed a graphics driver for nvidia from a repo, I don't know what I should install first.. |
| 03:06.52 | tuxd3v | I usually compile the module manually in init 1 |
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| 03:16.11 | gnarface | tuxd3v: works for me. make sure to get the kernel from backports too though. (fyi i couldn't prove the 390.xx driver works at all for the 1060 i have here) |
| 03:17.22 | tuxd3v | gnarface, thanks |
| 03:17.44 | tuxd3v | Does I need to get the headers of the backports kernel? what do you think? |
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| 03:21.19 | gnarface | tuxd3v: yes, you need them for nvidia's official drivers (the blob is put in a wrapper that's compiled on-the-fly at install time by dkms for your individual kernel) |
| 03:22.26 | gnarface | i think it might even it still say it tries to download a copy from their server first, but i think they also stopped stocking them decades ago. i've literally never seen it successfully find one anyway. |
| 03:23.30 | tuxd3v | gnarface, yeah, at least to install manually its via dkms and the headers are needed.. |
| 03:23.33 | tuxd3v | thanks |
| 03:24.03 | tuxd3v | I will unistall the manual version I have , and then install the nvidia one |
| 03:24.23 | tuxd3v | I am idling at 12W of power with 390.xx series |
| 03:24.44 | tuxd3v | and I know I can achieve 6,7,8 with a more recent driver |
| 03:24.47 | tuxd3v | in standby |
| 03:25.09 | tuxd3v | I am refering to power consumption( watts ), sorry :) |
| 03:25.47 | tuxd3v | but its not only that, 390 only alows me to gave cuda toolkit 7.5 I believe |
| 03:25.59 | tuxd3v | and I want at least cuda 9-10 |
| 03:26.21 | tuxd3v | gave -> have |
| 03:32.51 | gnarface | tuxd3v: my testing hasn't been extensive. the major features all seem to work but i just noticed sleep may not be reliable. |
| 03:35.48 | tuxd3v | gnarface, when you do a 'nvidia-smi' |
| 03:35.59 | tuxd3v | what is the wattage of your 1060? |
| 03:36.13 | tuxd3v | thanks in advance |
| 03:40.25 | gnarface | tuxd3v: uh, i think i was avoiding installing that package for a reason. is there any other way to check? |
| 03:42.23 | gnarface | maybe the value is exposed in /sys somewhere? |
| 03:42.46 | tuxd3v | ho.. I see maybe it doesn't provide nvidia-smi.. |
| 03:43.00 | tuxd3v | yeah it showl be |
| 03:43.08 | tuxd3v | let me chak if I find it :) |
| 03:43.32 | gnarface | yea, nvidia-smi isn't actually one isn't one of the required packages, it'll upgrade it if you already installed it but nothing actually depends on it |
| 03:53.37 | tuxd3v | nope, the unique things I have found is: |
| 03:53.38 | tuxd3v | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/0000:04:00.0/information |
| 03:53.56 | tuxd3v | bt doesn't give me any info about power |
| 03:54.32 | tuxd3v | nvidia-smi could do queries to the graphics directly |
| 03:54.37 | tuxd3v | the most probable |
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| 03:56.47 | tuxd3v | to install a cups server for a HP printer, I need to install cups, but I see a ton of dependencies.. |
| 03:56.53 | tuxd3v | I am scared hehe.. |
| 03:57.25 | tuxd3v | can I just install 'cups-core-drivers' ? |
| 03:57.52 | tuxd3v | 'cups-server-common' I mean |
| 03:58.06 | tuxd3v | because it tries to install clients and so on.. |
| 04:03.56 | gnarface | did you try it with --no-install-recommends? |
| 04:04.23 | tuxd3v | to be honest I don't :( |
| 04:04.40 | gnarface | that might cut down on the extra packages a bit |
| 04:04.42 | tuxd3v | but I believe I have it somewere configured in apt |
| 04:05.01 | tuxd3v | yeah they are a lot almost 60MB do download |
| 04:06.17 | tuxd3v | and another thing.. I have a kernel 5.4 ina rpi1, to install cups, apt says that I need to have linux-libc-dev from the repo.. why? |
| 04:06.22 | tuxd3v | I installed mine |
| 04:06.40 | tuxd3v | but it refuses so I installed the 4.19 version from devuan |
| 04:07.03 | tuxd3v | but later I will try to force my 5.4 version :) |
| 04:07.46 | gnarface | hmm. some of the printer drivers may need to be built on the fly? i can only speculate. printing is linked to a lot of different programs |
| 04:07.57 | tuxd3v | the rpi1 is armel, and my kernel is armhf( to take advantage of the fpu in the processor ). |
| 04:08.15 | tuxd3v | it could be |
| 04:10.59 | gnarface | anyone know if suspend/hibernate buttons are always greyed out on ascii lightdm greeters, or if there's just some other package i'm missing...? |
| 04:33.04 | tuxd3v | gnarface, I use slim, I don't have lightdm :( |
| 04:33.27 | tuxd3v | but in xfce, I see all options availlable |
| 04:33.42 | tuxd3v | whe I hit logout |
| 04:35.11 | gnarface | tuxd3v: and still works with the backports kernel? |
| 04:35.34 | gnarface | kdm's logout screen suspend button works, but for some reason the lightdm ones are greyed out no matter which greeter i use.. |
| 04:36.15 | gnarface | i think that supports my missing packages theory too though |
| 04:37.11 | tuxd3v | gnarface, I haven't yet installed it, I am still trying to solve my own mess :S |
| 04:37.17 | gnarface | alright |
| 04:37.28 | gnarface | i'll let you know if i figure it out |
| 04:37.32 | tuxd3v | I created a lot of firewall rules so that the router will be unable to see some devices.. |
| 04:37.50 | tuxd3v | but now I am paying the price has my own dns server doesn't work too :( |
| 04:38.18 | tuxd3v | So i came to install cups, and detected that my rules.. are not yet there :( |
| 04:38.38 | tuxd3v | tomorrow will go ahead with the driver :) |
| 04:38.44 | tuxd3v | at least I will try |
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| 04:40.33 | tponaf | so a couple years iptables under debian changed |
| 04:40.44 | tponaf | and i still haven't figured out what they changed |
| 04:40.57 | tponaf | is there a transitioning to the new iptables world writeup somewhere |
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| 04:59.32 | tuxd3v | tponaf, yeah, and now chamged again.. |
| 04:59.39 | tuxd3v | *changed |
| 05:00.19 | tponaf | that's some annoying "pay attention to meee" development imo |
| 05:00.28 | tuxd3v | damm my printer is without ink.. I suspect that something bad will haven to me today hehehe.. |
| 05:00.38 | tuxd3v | I can't add it via cups |
| 05:00.45 | tuxd3v | it gives me error |
| 05:00.58 | tuxd3v | I only want to configure it, not to use it.. |
| 05:01.05 | tponaf | cause i don't see a justification to break scripts, helper programs and experience of tens of thousands of iptables users |
| 05:01.07 | tuxd3v | HP always scrambling.. |
| 05:02.16 | tuxd3v | tponaf, yeah, but only because of some gains in a small part of it, they are changing it completly, new syntax and so on... it goes systemd way |
| 05:02.47 | tuxd3v | one of this days, bsd will be the best option heheh |
| 05:03.41 | tuxd3v | now just imagine.. the zillion lines of iptables that is running out there |
| 05:03.48 | tuxd3v | what will people do? |
| 05:04.09 | tuxd3v | in my opinion, you will try to maintain the most you can in iptables |
| 05:04.33 | tuxd3v | but some day will arise that, you will need to migrate.. |
| 05:05.08 | tuxd3v | the new syntax is very weird, in my personal opinion, but they say that "..its a charm.." |
| 05:08.27 | tuxd3v | they renamed it.. |
| 05:08.29 | tuxd3v | https://www.netfilter.org/projects/nftables/index.html |
| 05:08.39 | tuxd3v | now you will be doing rules in json format |
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| 05:09.35 | tuxd3v | some of this days, you will be designing your firewall rules in json format |
| 05:17.15 | tponaf | there is a legacy iptables still? |
| 05:31.15 | tuxd3v | tponaf, dor now yes |
| 05:31.22 | tuxd3v | dor -> for |
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| 11:41.19 | tponaf | what's your pick for lowest power mp3 player |
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| 12:07.00 | aitor | hi |
| 12:08.27 | Guest43256 | i've just announced the packages of simple-netaid in the mailing list |
| 12:08.38 | Guest43256 | i'll be back shortly |
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| 12:47.06 | Bjorn-- | I've just installed a fresh copy of ascii 2.1 with cinnamon desktop, I'm getting a message on startup about software rendering. Which I understand is commonly a hardware limitation |
| 12:47.13 | Bjorn-- | https://pastebin.com/ZW7CtgcH |
| 12:47.37 | tponaf | don't use things requiring gpu by default |
| 12:48.51 | Bjorn-- | my question is, is this just a hardware issue that cannot be overcome |
| 12:51.02 | tponaf | GPU driver support is not something that can be guaranteed to work out-of-the-box for all hardware Bjorn-- |
| 12:51.49 | tponaf | a gpu is 'bling' and people who write things that require it for no reason are doing the devil's work |
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| 12:52.48 | tponaf | it is possible 'cinnamon desktop' is such software. i don't know it. |
| 12:54.00 | Bjorn-- | I've read that cinnamon requires hardware acceleration to be efficient. I just don't know if I have it or not |
| 12:54.23 | Bjorn-- | I did some preliminary grabs on my setup but I can't tell from it |
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| 13:39.40 | aitor | hi again |
| 13:49.15 | fsmithred | Bjorn--, is firmware-amd-graphics installed? You need to have non-free enabled in sources.list to get it. |
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| 13:54.30 | Bjorn-- | non-free seems to be in the standard install now fsmithred |
| 13:54.58 | fsmithred | ok, I don't have any other ideas right now |
| 13:54.59 | Bjorn-- | well, I mean the sources.list contains it |
| 13:55.08 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep firmware |
| 13:56.37 | Bjorn-- | that shows the realtek firmware, nothing graphics related, or is it? |
| 13:56.46 | fsmithred | nope. That's network. |
| 13:56.53 | fsmithred | apt install firmware-amd-graphics |
| 13:56.57 | fsmithred | then restart the desktop |
| 13:57.30 | Bjorn-- | ahh. awesome. I will try that. thanks fsmithred |
| 13:57.41 | fsmithred | yw |
| 13:58.14 | fsmithred | Bjorn--, did you use a network mirror during the install? |
| 13:59.31 | Bjorn-- | I used the netinsall, I'm not sure which mirror I used now |
| 14:00.07 | fsmithred | shouldn't matter - they should all act the same. I was just wondering if that one gets installed automatically or not. |
| 14:00.28 | fsmithred | most of the wireless firmware should get installed auto if you have the hardware that needs it. |
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| 14:01.33 | Bjorn-- | yes, well, I've had trouble with the wifi for years on this box, the realtek, I have one of the models that wouldn't work until recently I think |
| 14:02.39 | Bjorn-- | There is a git project project that had some success with it, I had been using the wifi for about a month but performance was horrible |
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| 14:48.45 | Bjorn-- | I just booted back in, no warning box. Looks like things are good fsmithred, I'm gonna take a look at whats different now. |
| 14:48.55 | fsmithred | cool |
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| 19:06.05 | fonky | hey all |
| 19:06.34 | tponaf | hi |
| 19:07.00 | fonky | hey tponaf, how is it going? |
| 19:08.21 | tponaf | ok. bread turned out good. gardening didn't work out. doing some work for maemo-leste atm |
| 19:08.41 | tponaf | you know any devs for irc clients fonky ? |
| 19:11.27 | Guest69154 | hey |
| 19:12.26 | tponaf | ehu |
| 19:13.14 | golinux | Please take non-support chat to #debianfork |
| 19:17.50 | fonky | no not really |
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| 19:18.02 | fonky | which client in particular |
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| 20:27.24 | divansantana | how can one get a more up to date version on youtube-dl on devuan? |
| 20:27.35 | divansantana | I have this version: 2017.05.18.1 |
| 20:28.57 | divansantana | I see, it doesn't just use backports, one needs to install explicitly from there. |
| 20:29.22 | Xenguy | divansantana: I ended up installing it from outside the devuan repo, to get a more up-to-date install... |
| 20:30.08 | Xenguy | Then I could use the -U flag (doing by memory there) to update to the latest version |
| 20:30.14 | Guest69154 | divanantana: curl https://yt-dl.org/latest/youtube-dl -o /usr/local/bin/youtube-dl |
| 20:30.16 | Xenguy | Whenever necessary |
| 20:30.41 | Xenguy | *going by memory |
| 20:30.42 | Guest69154 | *divansantana* |
| 20:37.08 | golinux | Hi aitor! |
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| 21:30.15 | Guest69154 | Hi golinux |
| 21:30.27 | Guest69154 | i was writting some emails |
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| 21:36.33 | Guest69154 | bbl |
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| 23:35.29 | tuxd3v | gnarface: you right, I am fighting to install nvidia driver with 4.9 kernel and it goes to legacy 390XX driver and not to 4xx series :( |
| 23:37.01 | tuxd3v | I was trying the 418xx.. |
| 23:37.12 | tuxd3v | following debian documentation.. |
| 23:37.14 | tuxd3v | https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#buster-418 |
| 23:37.38 | tuxd3v | but it doesn't bring me 418 with my kernel on 4.9.. |
| 23:37.53 | tuxd3v | probably I will need to upgrade to a 4.19 or 5.4.. |
| 23:39.30 | tuxd3v | beowulf is counterpart to what debian version? |
| 23:39.35 | tuxd3v | buster? |
| 23:42.24 | ukine1 | correct. https://devuan.org/os/releases |
| 23:42.54 | ukine1 | i'm currently trying to install the nvidia 390 driver for the quadro nvs 4200m on my t520 :] |
| 23:45.15 | ukine1 | i'm assuming linux headers is what the nvidia provided .run package is yelling at me about; i.e. the kernel source is not on my machine... |
| 23:45.38 | ukine1 | could use a mr. meeseeks for support right about now XD |
| 23:48.53 | tuxd3v | 390XX is the legacy driver, I have a gtx1060 wich only is well supported in 4xx series, so Maybe I need a kernel update or else.. |
| 23:49.26 | tuxd3v | ukine1: yeah, thanks, you definitly need the linux-headers for your kernel and also kbuild for dkms :) |
| 23:50.33 | tuxd3v | whe you do this: |
| 23:50.35 | fsmithred | ping tuxd3v |
| 23:50.37 | tuxd3v | what apears to you? |
| 23:50.38 | tuxd3v | apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') nvidia-driver |
| 23:50.49 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:50.50 | fsmithred | hi |
| 23:51.01 | tuxd3v | hi fsmithred :) |
| 23:51.06 | fsmithred | I was scrolled up and didn't realize you were here |
| 23:51.11 | fsmithred | pm coming |
| 23:51.32 | tuxd3v | hhe no problem :) |
| 23:52.08 | ukine1 | tuxd3v: i did that command, except without nvidia-driver as i got a driver package executable directly from nvidia's site |
| 23:52.36 | ukine1 | it d/led a bunch of linux to my hdd i know that, not much else⦠|
| 23:52.52 | ukine1 | this is for my laptop which will see source games so i'm not doing anything too dangerous :] |
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