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| 07:21.53 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
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| 09:44.41 | DarwinElf | upgrade Devuan 2 to 2.1? |
| 09:47.05 | gnarface | it's supposed to work, yes |
| 09:48.11 | gnarface | or are you trying to figure out how? |
| 09:48.14 | Joril | gnarface: isn't it just a normal apt update? |
| 09:48.19 | gnarface | it shouldn't be any different than a normal update, yes |
| 09:48.54 | DarwinElf | yes, I am trying to figure out how... or maybe I already did but forgot |
| 09:49.22 | gnarface | if you already did "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" you already have it. it's safe to do again.... unless your /etc/apt/sources.list is jacked up |
| 09:49.25 | DarwinElf | i have some virtual private servers with Devuan ASCII... /etc/debian_version says 2... |
| 09:49.45 | DarwinElf | originally I had to convert them myself |
| 09:50.11 | gnarface | i assume you have to update them yourself |
| 09:50.25 | DarwinElf | i setup unattended-upgrades |
| 09:50.59 | gnarface | it probably has a log somewhere you can verify |
| 09:51.15 | Joril | Odd, my /etc/debian_version says 9 |
| 09:51.33 | DarwinElf | oh, or maybe I hadn't set it up... |
| 09:51.56 | gnarface | DarwinElf: there's also /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 09:54.17 | DarwinElf | isn't part of it apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 09:55.35 | GyrosGeier | it's a conffile |
| 09:55.55 | GyrosGeier | so dpkg refuses to overwrite it if it's changed vs what it expects |
| 09:56.17 | gnarface | DarwinElf: that's only for upgrading to a new release. you're just upgrading the current release. it also shouldn't matter if you run it anyway though. |
| 09:57.07 | gnarface | DarwinElf: (dist-upgrade will just be redundant in that case) |
| 09:58.04 | DarwinElf | oh, so that would be something like 3.0 next? |
| 09:58.33 | gnarface | yes |
| 09:59.04 | gnarface | upgrading to that would include a change to your sources.list file and the dist-upgrade step you metioned |
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| 09:59.18 | DarwinElf | i'm not sure what to choose in 50unattended-upgrades . I'd like to upgrade only stable/security realeases unless I need to use something like backports in the future, then do that at that time... |
| 09:59.52 | gnarface | i've never used it, honestly. |
| 09:59.56 | DarwinElf | but there are so many choices I don't know what they all are... |
| 10:00.07 | gnarface | do you know about man pages? |
| 10:00.12 | DarwinElf | yes |
| 10:00.40 | gnarface | if there aren't any, or if they suck, check in /usr/share/doc/[package name]/ for supplementary documentation |
| 10:00.44 | DarwinElf | there isn't one |
| 10:01.05 | DarwinElf | and there isn't really any documentation on this |
| 10:01.16 | gnarface | not even in /usr/share/doc/? |
| 10:01.16 | meep_____ | DarwinElf: i autoinstall security updates across prod servers |
| 10:01.19 | meep_____ | It works fine |
| 10:01.20 | DarwinElf | the documentation in the configuration file is as cryptic as some of the worst Unix manpages |
| 10:01.22 | meep_____ | Never had an issue |
| 10:01.43 | meep_____ | *on Devuan Stable |
| 10:08.59 | DarwinElf | what's codename 'ascii-updates"?' |
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| 10:11.54 | gnarface | DarwinElf: previously known as volatile - stuff like updates to the tzdata package |
| 10:12.11 | gnarface | (like when the president orders it changed for example) |
| 10:12.26 | DarwinElf | oh... |
| 10:12.59 | gnarface | sometimes stuff needs to be updated to be "correct" even if it's not a "bug" or security vulnerability. understand? that stuff goes in udpates |
| 10:13.02 | gnarface | updates* |
| 10:13.30 | gnarface | at least that's my vague understanding of it. the system will function fine without it but i'd recommend leaving it on |
| 10:14.21 | gnarface | there might be a reason to exclude it but i think when in doubt it's safe to assume you want it |
| 10:15.49 | gnarface | the free geoip database updates might fall under that category too, iirc |
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| 10:18.45 | DarwinElf | thanks |
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| 13:28.30 | ChimpZ | hello there |
| 13:28.54 | ChimpZ | anyone has a good argument in favour of NOT upgrading from Ascii to Beowulf? |
| 13:29.21 | ChimpZ | or, alternatively, anyone has a simple/elegant way of installing opam 2.0.x on Ascii? |
| 13:30.16 | mason | (Context: I answered last night so I won't again, but I thought this'd be a less biased place to ask than the dev channel.) |
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| 14:12.01 | Tenkawa | mason: what is the dev channel btw? |
| 14:13.33 | Tenkawa | I'm interested in potentially getting more involved if I can (especially now that I have a lot of free time) |
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| 14:24.06 | tponaf | ChimpZ: i don't know that package but you might consider compiling opam 2.0.x |
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| 14:27.29 | Tenkawa | yeah a good ole apt -b source sounds pretty good to me too |
| 14:28.23 | ShorTie | is 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' valid ?? |
| 14:28.30 | ShorTie | No such file or directory |
| 14:28.32 | tponaf | i also find my long relationship with Beowulf has been a happy one |
| 14:29.07 | Tenkawa | ShorTie: checking |
| 14:31.51 | Tenkawa | you need to set that variable beforehand ie: |
| 14:31.56 | Tenkawa | sudo DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive sh -c 'echo $DEBIAN_FRONTEND' |
| 14:31.56 | Tenkawa | noninteractive |
| 14:32.17 | Tenkawa | then run the apt commands with -y |
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| 14:32.54 | Tenkawa | reference this page its ubuntu but its still the syntax |
| 14:32.58 | Tenkawa | https://askubuntu.com/questions/1074259/how-to-disable-interactive-dialogs-in-ubuntu-1604-and-1804 |
| 14:34.49 | tponaf | you're a credit to your community Tenkawa |
| 14:35.17 | Tenkawa | thanks |
| 14:36.13 | Tenkawa | I just really enjoy this and want to help where I can |
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| 14:37.11 | tponaf | "That's the spirit" |
| 14:38.44 | Tenkawa | Linux devuan-arm 5.5.13-v8 #1 |
| 14:38.58 | Tenkawa | thats my pi4 I built the other day |
| 14:39.01 | Tenkawa | humming nicely |
| 14:39.27 | Tenkawa | building the 5.6 kernel for it right now |
| 14:39.39 | tponaf | i forgot you were with me in the devuan-arm treehouse Tenkawa :) |
| 14:39.45 | Tenkawa | now that it has been released |
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| 14:40.10 | ShorTie | blaaa, dummy, Thankz |
| 14:40.13 | tponaf | 5.6 here |
| 14:40.16 | Tenkawa | nice |
| 14:40.23 | Tenkawa | ShorTie: cool |
| 14:40.26 | ShorTie | chroot $(PKG_ROOT) dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive dash, worked |
| 14:40.29 | Tenkawa | btw nice to see you here |
| 14:40.42 | Tenkawa | heheheh |
| 14:41.55 | ShorTie | i didn't relize it twas just setting a variable .. :/~ |
| 14:42.16 | Tenkawa | yeah, not very intuitive |
| 14:42.31 | Tenkawa | but at least easy to fix |
| 14:43.33 | ShorTie | this is workin preaty good for my SmoothWall conversion so far |
| 14:43.38 | Tenkawa | nice |
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| 14:44.25 | tponaf | the netson nano can be live converted from ubuntu to devuan beowulf without rebooting too much |
| 14:44.26 | ShorTie | just need to switch up the runtimeroot from package based to program based |
| 14:44.27 | tponaf | jetson |
| 14:44.41 | tponaf | it was kind of amazing |
| 14:45.18 | Tenkawa | I'm going to have to buy a bolt on wifi switch/ap/extender because my provider is being pains about replacing my 9 year old cable modem thats acting up on the wifi |
| 14:45.41 | Tenkawa | i'll just cable it up with one/more of the eth ports |
| 14:45.42 | ShorTie | switch the initramfs creation from that is |
| 14:45.49 | mason | Tenkawa: #devuan-dev |
| 14:45.57 | Tenkawa | mason: thanks |
| 14:47.38 | Tenkawa | the jetson would be nice for me if I didnt do everything headless |
| 14:48.03 | tponaf | ok yes |
| 14:48.29 | tponaf | if any graphics nerds are around, I'm hoping to get better video acceleration running on it |
| 14:49.15 | Tenkawa | yeah my visual difficulties made me not look there as much |
| 14:49.22 | tponaf | and if anyone knows mediumly-full featured gstreamer based video players i'd like to know one |
| 14:49.46 | Tenkawa | now sound/music... if someone came out with a board that had a great sound output on it |
| 14:50.35 | tponaf | can i interest you in a pure digital amp? |
| 14:51.27 | Tenkawa | oh? |
| 14:51.41 | Tenkawa | whats name? |
| 14:51.48 | tponaf | if you can suggest an offtopic place to chat that'd be better |
| 14:52.15 | Tenkawa | just a sec |
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| 14:53.29 | Tenkawa | #amps |
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| 18:00.07 | AlexLikeRock | hi guys , |
| 18:00.30 | AlexLikeRock | i need a VIRTUAL KEYBOARD to my devuan, |
| 18:00.45 | AlexLikeRock | my fiphical keyboard its broken |
| 18:01.53 | mason | AlexLikeRock: A cheap USB keyboard might be the most sensible solution. |
| 18:02.04 | mason | I can't see an on-screen keyboard being usable. |
| 18:02.31 | AlexLikeRock | well , some times , its no available USB-KEYBOARD |
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| 18:03.30 | mason | AlexLikeRock: Do you mean your keyboard works sometimes, but only sporadically? |
| 18:03.49 | tponaf_ | there's a virtual keyboard named 'florence' for debian AlexLikeRock |
| 18:04.57 | AlexLikeRock | keyboard of my laptop : NOT WORK |
| 18:05.18 | AlexLikeRock | USB-keyboard : some times are LOSE at home |
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| 18:06.29 | AlexLikeRock | i am at DEVUAN JESSIE |
| 18:06.41 | tponaf_ | let me know how florence works for you AlexLikeRock |
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| 21:41.13 | ejr | hi! so i installed devuan 3.0 recently and am very happy with it so far. i wonder about some services running though, and am not sure about what they all are. could someone please have a look at my services list (this is the result of ls /etc/init.d/) and tell me if there is anything running that should not be running on a relatively minimum installation? |
| 21:41.17 | ejr | https://termbin.com/a9lg |
| 21:41.47 | ejr | i installed tor, xserver,thinkfan and network-manager, so those are allowed |
| 21:42.45 | Atari-Frosch | Hm. In Debian Jessie, in mc (midnight commander) when I pressed return on an image file (jpg, png, â¦), it was opened automagically with feh. I have never configured that, it just worked. Now on Devuan ASCII I have feh installed, but mc opens images in gimp. I cannot find out where this was configured. |
| 21:43.03 | mason | ejr: That's a list of service files, not a list of running services. |
| 21:43.44 | ejr | yes, i stand corrected there |
| 21:43.49 | mason | ejr: You can read each and see a description up at the top. |
| 21:44.14 | mason | It's all pleasingly self-documenting, and if you have additional questions, feel free to ask them ehre. |
| 21:44.17 | mason | here* |
| 21:44.48 | mason | brb in any event, checking in with the family after a string of meetings |
| 21:48.37 | ejr | probably a good idea to familiarize oneself with the services anyway, so yes, i am looking into them individually. thx |
| 21:50.49 | debdog | Atari-Frosch: I am not entirely certain but I think mc uses debian's mime system https://wiki.debian.org/MIME but it is possible to overwrite the settings in $HOME/.config/mc/mc.ext |
| 21:52.27 | Atari-Frosch | debdog: OK, I'll look into that, thank you. |
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| 21:55.01 | debdog | would be nice to have some documentation 'bout that, Atari-Frosch :D I think the mime system has some serious flaws. AFAIKS the latest prog that has been installed is the one the mime points to and that is not always favourable. esp. if the the latest prog was wine... |
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| 22:02.07 | Atari-Frosch | debdog: Uh, it is possible that I installed gimp after feh ⦠just found /usr/lib/mc/ext.d/image.sh and I do not really know what to do with it. I'm not familiar with that MIME stuff. |
| 22:04.51 | Tenkawa | golinux: still got a minute to help me test my rerouted connectivity? |
| 22:06.16 | debdog | Atari-Frosch: I am neither, sadly |
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| 22:12.01 | fsmithred | Tenkawa, I'm there if you want to test |
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| 22:15.16 | Tenkawa | ok.. let me get my headset back on |
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| 22:24.35 | Atari-Frosch | debdog: Got it! https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/10/msg00286.html the line with include/image does the trick. |
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| 22:30.23 | debdog | ok, that was dumb by myself. should have thought of /etc, too :D |
| 22:31.43 | Atari-Frosch | :-) |
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| 23:37.14 | SkaFan | hi folks, can anyone tell me what is the best way to compile a new kernel on devuan? |
| 23:37.49 | gnarface | SkaFan: not different from Debian in any way |
| 23:38.47 | gnarface | SkaFan: (but if all you need is a newer version to use with ascii, save yourself the trouble and try the one in ascii-backports first) |
| 23:40.27 | SkaFan | hmm i tired on debian some time ago... cp .config then "yes "" | make oldconfig" that worked |
| 23:40.37 | SkaFan | but on devuan i get an error |
| 23:40.55 | SkaFan | no rule to do oldconfig |
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| 23:49.35 | gnarface | SkaFan: hmm, i thought oldconfig should still work. you actually supplied a .config right? the packaged configs should be in /boot/ |
| 23:50.02 | gnarface | SkaFan: if that still doesn't work, try just using menuconfig and loading the old config manually through the interface there |
| 23:50.34 | SkaFan | im just resetting my VM and start over new |
| 23:52.02 | SkaFan | oh btw.. is there anything i must pay attetion to with init vs. the new debian system? i think not, right? |
| 23:52.27 | gnarface | i'm not quite sure what you're asking |
| 23:53.03 | gnarface | Devuan defaults to sysvinit, which also used to be the Debian default in wheezy and earlier |
| 23:53.11 | SkaFan | devuan is using init v, and new debian systemd |
| 23:53.47 | SkaFan | when i compile a new kernel is there anythink i must do not to run into trouble |
| 23:53.57 | gnarface | right. sysvinit won't be anything even remotely like systemd, and a lot of what you know about systemd will be fundamentally harmful to your understanding of it. (they designed it that way on purpose) the best thing you could do is just forget all of it and read up some old wiki entries about Wheezy |
| 23:54.24 | gnarface | none of that should affect the kernel built process but honestly i don't know that for sure |
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| 23:54.57 | SkaFan | ok ill just try in VM before I do it on my storage system |
| 23:55.14 | SkaFan | systemd is the reason why I wanna use Devuan |
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| 23:55.19 | gnarface | that's probably safe. even a chroot would probably be fine though for this. VM might be overkill |
| 23:55.47 | SkaFan | they even killed rc.local... all i learned about linux is kindo useless now :( |
| 23:56.02 | gnarface | oh, well maybe you're better off then |
| 23:56.43 | gnarface | afaik Devuan should still have rc.local in the "initscripts" package |
| 23:56.51 | SkaFan | bee sometimes i wanna just wanna use MS-DOS again... |
| 23:57.03 | gnarface | what year did you start using Linux? |
| 23:57.04 | SkaFan | yes, rc.local works on devuan |
| 23:57.14 | SkaFan | year? i dont know |
| 23:57.22 | gnarface | well, nevermind. it's not important. |
| 23:57.23 | SkaFan | was on SuSE 8.0 |
| 23:58.14 | gnarface | FreeDOS is a good choice as a substitute for MS-DOS, but honestly dosbox is so good now that with some hand configuration it's usually a fine substitute as well, plus won't require a reboot. |
| 23:58.14 | SkaFan | and 2007 I made my LPIC-1, but kernel and compiling was never my thing |
| 23:58.54 | SkaFan | well something tells me freedos wont work with RAID-6 and Samba :-) |
| 23:59.13 | gnarface | heh, yea dosbox would be a better choice for that probably |
| 23:59.51 | SkaFan | all i wnat here is some easy storage and file access to windows |