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| 05:17.51 | systemdlete | gnarface: This is just my testbox, and I don't really play games much. Just solitaire and mahjongg (booooooooring!) |
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| 05:40.04 | gnarface | systemdlete: well, it also may cause general issues with certain window managers, and other things that use mesa. it's worth being aware of in your testing |
| 05:40.31 | gnarface | (*compositing* window managers specifically. probably not old school ones) |
| 05:40.38 | systemdlete | ok, thanks. Are there any specific tests or programs I should try? |
| 05:40.52 | gnarface | kde |
| 05:40.54 | gnarface | heh |
| 05:40.58 | systemdlete | I am using xfce atm |
| 05:41.08 | systemdlete | I can install kde and try that also |
| 05:41.20 | onefang | 3D is useful for more than just games. |
| 05:42.01 | systemdlete | I'm assembling a shelf unit atm. But in a couple of hours, I'll fool with KDE a bit |
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| 07:18.01 | gnarface | systemdlete: enlightenment would also be another good one to try. version 0.22.4 is in beowulf |
| 07:25.54 | systemdlete | only problem is that this monitor on the testbox is ancient. I might switch back to the vga port on my newer monitor (about 2 years old) |
| 07:28.26 | systemdlete | I love kde. Every time I have installed it over the years, the thing just got bigger. More packages than ever. Must be a deluxe env these days... |
| 07:29.21 | onefang | I heard they put KDE on a diet recently. I'm still not gonna install it. |
| 07:32.12 | systemdlete | For extra drama, I am selecting sddm to see how it plays with kde, enlightenment, xfce and any others that I may have installed by default |
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| 07:33.18 | systemdlete | (I've had tons of fun in the past -- ascii and jessie -- with display managers. So get ready for a long barrage of posts here... LOL) |
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| 07:33.50 | systemdlete | KDE is installing. I'll come back next week to test it. |
| 07:49.11 | gnarface | well, if mesa falls back to software rendering, i expect everything will work fine except with a heavy performance penalty |
| 07:49.22 | gnarface | oh wait, you went with the nvidia-legacy driver |
| 07:49.25 | gnarface | so no mesa |
| 07:49.29 | gnarface | yea, that'll get interesting... |
| 07:50.13 | gnarface | i expect a lot of things to half work but fail in strange ways |
| 07:52.21 | gnarface | anything that actually works all the way might be worthy of being impressed with |
| 07:55.24 | systemdlete | I'll be sure to feel impressed if anything works, I promise. |
| 07:58.31 | systemdlete | ooh ooh. Enlightenment setup... verrrrrry fancy! |
| 07:59.56 | onefang | I used to be an Enlightenment developer, some of what you are running now I wrote. |
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| 08:00.32 | systemdlete | so, setup option asks me: disable composite effects |
| 08:00.51 | onefang | You are using it to test those, so don't disable them. |
| 08:01.02 | systemdlete | good, thanks! |
| 08:03.52 | systemdlete | seems to work fine |
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| 08:16.26 | gnarface | systemdlete: in with opengl hardware accel on even? when you enable composite effects there's some other options like whether to use software mode and i think whether to vsync... |
| 08:17.24 | gnarface | you would notice a cpu load drop and corresponding gpu load increase if it works right |
| 08:17.44 | gnarface | if it works wrong it might crash, corrupt, freeze, or just be missing buttons |
| 08:18.51 | systemdlete | composite settings? |
| 08:18.54 | gnarface | "composite effects" i think is also a separate option you can enable if compositing is on, that should enable some extra flashy eye candy |
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| 08:19.13 | gnarface | yea they're in settings->settings panel->compositor, i think |
| 08:19.23 | gnarface | sorry, settings panel->look->compositor |
| 08:19.34 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.11 | gnarface | and there's also a framerate limiter in settings panel->advanced->performance |
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| 08:21.47 | gnarface | in an earlier version there was "engine" settings in there too, i think, but i think that was before your version |
| 08:22.18 | systemdlete | in composite settings, I see don't fade backlight, enable fast composite effects, and disable composite effects. |
| 08:22.27 | gnarface | maybe i'm gettings some of these things confused with e17 |
| 08:22.43 | gnarface | anyway, if it's working good that's actually pretty cool |
| 08:23.35 | systemdlete | oh, software is selected, not opengl |
| 08:23.42 | systemdlete | maybe this is what we are looking for? |
| 08:23.42 | gnarface | systemdlete: in that composite settings panel, there should be an "advanced >" button in the bottom right corner, that will change that whole sub-panel to an entirely separate one with extra verbose options |
| 08:23.52 | systemdlete | it does. |
| 08:24.04 | systemdlete | should I select opengl or software? |
| 08:24.13 | gnarface | systemdlete: opengl is the one we're interested in |
| 08:24.29 | gnarface | software is expected to work (with the aforementioned cpu load penalty) |
| 08:25.27 | gnarface | somewhere in there is a way to show the whole WM's framerate on screen too, but you have to actually be moving windows for it to show a value other than 0 |
| 08:25.57 | systemdlete | well, now I no longer can click on anything it seems |
| 08:26.06 | gnarface | oh |
| 08:26.09 | gnarface | hard freeze |
| 08:26.10 | systemdlete | mouse moves around |
| 08:26.13 | gnarface | yea that was more like what i was expecting |
| 08:26.15 | gnarface | oh you got mouse? |
| 08:26.16 | gnarface | hmm |
| 08:26.21 | gnarface | ctrl+alt+f2 fast |
| 08:26.22 | gnarface | it might work |
| 08:26.28 | systemdlete | and mouse glows in and out, but |
| 08:26.44 | systemdlete | console |
| 08:26.46 | gnarface | you might be able to bail out and kill X manually still |
| 08:26.57 | gnarface | hehe, sorry about that |
| 08:27.05 | systemdlete | but won't the same options be restored when I run it again? |
| 08:27.16 | gnarface | yes, just rm -rf ~/.e/ |
| 08:27.22 | systemdlete | ah, of course! |
| 08:28.08 | systemdlete | gone. |
| 08:28.12 | gnarface | though, that *nvidia* driver might now be unhappy enough that you'll have to reboot anyway, but at least now you can do it in a controlled fashion |
| 08:28.25 | systemdlete | yes, rebooting now' |
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| 08:31.14 | systemdlete | ok, it's back to where it was (enlightenment) |
| 08:31.23 | systemdlete | haven't tried kde yet |
| 08:31.45 | gnarface | kde plasma desktop should be using similar technology, but i am not familiar with the controls |
| 08:32.30 | gnarface | did you succeed in getting mesa from beowulf-backports? |
| 08:32.39 | gnarface | oh damn, i keep getting hung up on mesa |
| 08:32.41 | gnarface | forget that |
| 08:32.55 | gnarface | but you still can use mesa-utils for basic opengl functionality tests |
| 08:33.01 | gnarface | get that package and run glxgears |
| 08:33.53 | gnarface | get the mesa-utils package from wherever you got the nvidia package from |
| 08:34.20 | gnarface | it probably won't matter but it might |
| 08:35.10 | systemdlete | ethernet port is winking out on me again |
| 08:38.00 | systemdlete | I need to look into that. I'll be back to opengl a bit later... |
| 08:40.07 | systemdlete | flakey little pos... |
| 08:40.16 | systemdlete | got my network back |
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| 08:41.21 | gnarface | i would definitely consider switching ethernet devices |
| 08:42.21 | systemdlete | but even the other port doesn't work much better... |
| 08:42.34 | systemdlete | just as flakey |
| 08:42.47 | systemdlete | running glxgears. Pretty simple, but pretty still |
| 08:43.47 | systemdlete | glxgears is running at around 60 FPS |
| 08:45.37 | systemdlete | when it starts, the first report is always off a bit (around 70 fps) but then it settles into a fairly consistent pattern of 60.0dd (tenths and hundredths of a second) |
| 08:46.02 | systemdlete | I'm guessing that is about right for the refresh rate (60 Hz in most of NA) |
| 08:46.17 | systemdlete | well, this monitor anyway |
| 08:46.29 | systemdlete | (and the card too I am guessing?) |
| 08:47.22 | systemdlete | btw, the nvidia legacy package was in the repos I think |
| 08:47.27 | gnarface | yes, try running it like this: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears |
| 08:47.33 | systemdlete | ok |
| 08:48.11 | gnarface | (just fyi for nouveau & mesa i think it's: vblank_mode=0 glxgears) |
| 08:49.10 | systemdlete | (???) |
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| 08:49.50 | systemdlete | not too much difference with the GL_SYNC biz set to 0 |
| 08:50.13 | gnarface | oh probably because of the enlightenment compositor |
| 08:50.20 | gnarface | also set to max 60? |
| 08:50.25 | gnarface | hmmm, no, but that works for me though... |
| 08:50.34 | gnarface | heh, maybe that's all the faster it goes |
| 08:50.40 | gnarface | well how much faster does it go with it unlocked? |
| 08:50.51 | gnarface | any? does it still stick at 60 or does it go up to like 130? |
| 08:51.01 | systemdlete | with vblank_mode=0 glxgears, it gives me 1100 or so fps |
| 08:51.08 | gnarface | no no, ignore that |
| 08:51.16 | gnarface | that was just for if you get nouveau working later |
| 08:51.20 | gnarface | which you might decide to try |
| 08:51.46 | gnarface | what about with this? __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears |
| 08:51.53 | gnarface | make sure your cpu is in performance mode too |
| 08:52.03 | gnarface | if it has multiple frequencies... does it? |
| 08:52.18 | systemdlete | I tried to change the cpu speed, nothing changes |
| 08:53.20 | gnarface | what does this say? ls -l /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu?/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 08:54.45 | systemdlete | forgot to set opengl after reboot (enlightenment got reset, etc...) |
| 08:55.01 | systemdlete | but still, the fps rate is still around 60 |
| 08:55.50 | gnarface | enlightenment might itself be a limitation, you might want to try some non-compositing window manager just for comparison |
| 08:57.06 | systemdlete | I finally finessed the thing into 3.3 GHz |
| 08:58.01 | gnarface | nice, well that will help, but be careful to watch for overheating at first at least... |
| 09:00.10 | systemdlete | odd. the temp scale does not show actual temp, even though there is a choice of C or F in the settings for it |
| 09:00.13 | systemdlete | weird |
| 09:00.32 | gnarface | have you run "sensors-detect" as root yet? |
| 09:00.36 | systemdlete | Do I need to install lm_sensors for that? |
| 09:00.38 | systemdlete | no |
| 09:00.56 | gnarface | yes, you need lm-sensors first, then run sensors-detect or sensors_detect or whatever it is |
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| 09:09.27 | systemdlete | yes | sensors-detect |
| 09:09.53 | systemdlete | I figure if the board is not able to handle it, if it burns down I dont care. The board is old anyway |
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| 09:28.35 | systemdlete | so the temp doesn't show up until you move the mouse over the thermometer... |
| 09:30.21 | systemdlete | and the thermometer actually updates -- the "mercury" is low now, which looks right |
| 09:36.25 | systemdlete | I CRASHED IT! I CRASHED IT! |
| 09:36.29 | gnarface | you can run sensors or xsensors |
| 09:36.38 | gnarface | to get a full dump |
| 09:36.59 | systemdlete | ? |
| 09:37.11 | gnarface | of the temperatures and fan speeds and voltages... sensors is a terminal program that just dumps text, xsensors will open a window |
| 09:37.40 | systemdlete | I made enlightenment go boom |
| 09:37.45 | gnarface | hehe |
| 09:37.47 | onefang | throws an air bag into systemdlete's face. |
| 09:38.14 | systemdlete | I hope it was a clean air bag. |
| 09:39.10 | onefang | The bit that throws an air bag, er I mean pops up a window, when something Enlightenment ran crashes, I wrote that bit. Was clean when I left it. |
| 09:39.45 | onefang | Crashing Enlightenment itself throws up a different window. |
| 09:41.56 | systemdlete | It says "Enlightenment Error. This is very bad, Enlightenment SEGV'd. This is not meant to happen and is likely a sign of a bug in Enlightenment... yada yada yada" |
| 09:42.17 | systemdlete | bad enlightenment, bad! |
| 09:42.58 | onefang | In the terms of Enlightenment developers, spank spank spank! No, I didn't write that. lol |
| 09:46.41 | systemdlete | it wants me to compile E and EFL and THEN report it. |
| 09:47.49 | onefang | The version in the repo is a year or three behind. They are releasing a new version next month. |
| 09:48.39 | gnarface | systemdlete: yea it's old news, a 0.23.x is already in ceres... i recommend just ignoring it for now and trying a different WM |
| 09:48.56 | systemdlete | doing kde now |
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| 18:48.09 | surrealp1 | i am running on ARM, so kernel is for ARM |
| 18:49.42 | surrealp1 | ls -l /lib/modules/kernel/fs |
| 18:49.46 | surrealp1 | does not contain nfs |
| 18:49.53 | yeti | someone in ( #devuan-arm || https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 ) might know more |
| 18:50.52 | surrealp1 | ok |
| 18:52.45 | yeti | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs |
| 18:52.58 | surrealp1 | right |
| 18:53.02 | yeti | ok |
| 18:53.09 | surrealp1 | typo |
| 18:53.20 | yeti | i have nfs modules on my frankendevuan |
| 18:53.37 | yeti | running devuan3 with debian10 kernel infrastructure |
| 18:53.45 | yeti | on cubietruck |
| 18:53.53 | debdog | https://packages.debian.org/buster/nfs-kernel-server |
| 18:56.52 | surrealp1 | i get "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning)." when trying to run the service |
| 18:57.17 | surrealp1 | and the module file is absent from ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/fs/nfs |
| 18:57.27 | yeti | thts a definitive verdict |
| 18:57.34 | surrealp1 | lol |
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| 19:08.48 | fsmithred | surrealp1, how did you install devuan? |
| 19:13.02 | surrealp1 | i followed this: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt |
| 19:13.38 | fsmithred | I was going to suggest beowulf, but I have a feeling it's the same |
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| 19:14.46 | fsmithred | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/ Go into installer-<ARCH> to find what you need |
| 19:18.50 | surrealp1 | what's the difference? |
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| 19:20.18 | fsmithred | ascii=stretch, beowulf=buster |
| 19:20.59 | fsmithred | I see ext and fat in the udeb list, but not nfs. I'm guessing it's the same in the kernel. |
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| 21:42.23 | ShorTie | what kernel is devuan jessie ?? |
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| 21:46.06 | debdog | 3.16 IIRC |
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| 21:59.51 | yeti | that captcha still is there with the same old Q? |
| 22:00.52 | ShorTie | how long will it be supported ?? |
| 22:01.28 | fsmithred | jessie is LTS until June |
| 22:04.33 | ShorTie | how about beowulf ?? |
| 22:05.03 | fsmithred | not sure. Check debian lts page for buster |
| 22:05.35 | ShorTie | ok, Thankz |
| 22:12.22 | ShorTie | is there a arm64 ?? |
| 22:14.26 | debdog | not yet. AFAIK $someone is working on that |
| 22:15.19 | debdog | tuxd3v maybe? |
| 22:19.19 | golinux | ShorTie: Ask at #devuan-ARM or https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 |
| 22:19.38 | golinux | #devuan-arm (no caps) |
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| 23:01.56 | fsmithred | ShorTie, take a look here: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-<ARCH>/current/images/ |
| 23:02.05 | fsmithred | there are images, isos and netboot files |
| 23:02.14 | fsmithred | poke around a bit |
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