00:04.42 | *** join/#devuan Criggie (~Criggie@freddymercury.criggie.org.nz) |
00:05.02 | Criggie | any ideas on how far away devuan for pi4 is ? |
00:08.24 | *** join/#devuan HumanG33k (~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8) |
00:13.48 | tuxd3v | I believe that are there still components to migrate from rpi kernel to mainline kernel.. |
00:13.57 | gnarface | Criggie: someone successfully managed to make an unofficial one already |
00:14.17 | gnarface | Criggie: (by shoehorning a devuan rootfs onto a raspbian img, i think) |
00:14.33 | gnarface | (or maybe it was Ubuntu. i forget) |
00:15.12 | Criggie | meh - much as I love screwing round with things, reliability is higher-than-normal for this build |
00:17.21 | tuxd3v | the uniq option for now seems to be using the rpi kernels and its firmware blobs.. |
00:18.00 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.152.190) |
00:18.24 | tuxd3v | I am now toying with a rockpi4A |
00:18.50 | tuxd3v | and I don't know why, but I am getting a lot of trouble to set u-boot correctly |
00:18.53 | tuxd3v | :D |
00:19.11 | tuxd3v | its like crazy.. out of 50 boot attempts, it only try to boot 1 |
00:19.14 | tuxd3v | :D |
00:19.59 | tuxd3v | also it tries to run 'fsck.ext4' without I mencioning it elsewere |
00:20.17 | tuxd3v | so he does things secretly behind the stage.. |
00:20.41 | tuxd3v | I am now on the 3rd image for it.. |
00:21.45 | tuxd3v | even not having 'fsck.repair=yes' it still tries to do it.. |
00:22.14 | gnarface | ext4 might be the actually worst possible filesystem for a raspberry pi |
00:23.29 | tuxd3v | I am using it for other sbcs for rootfs, for /boot I just go with ext2.. nojournaling |
00:23.50 | tuxd3v | but f2fs seems a good option |
00:23.54 | gnarface | i'd almost suggest trying anything else at all, but after extensive testing i can recommend primarily xfs and reiserfs (even on crappy flash cards ext4 will thrash) but i hope that f2fs turns out to be what they claim it to be (haven't had the guts to try that one myself yet though) |
00:24.28 | gnarface | yes, i agree on ext2 for /boot. just make it read-only and it doesn't need a journal. then boot is much faster. |
00:24.59 | gnarface | if you're still using ext4 then you can use that driver's ext2 compatibility mode, which can save you having to have extra filesystem drivers |
00:25.24 | gnarface | but i've had really bad luck with ext4 and usb or sd flash storage |
00:25.49 | tuxd3v | gnarface, you mean using only ext4 one, and them disabling journaling? |
00:25.54 | gnarface | like enough different separate bad incidents, all explainable, to note a statistically absurd failure rate compared to every single other option |
00:26.24 | gnarface | tuxd3v: ext4 *with or without journaling* - disabling journaling just makes it unravel faster |
00:26.55 | gnarface | tuxd3v: the read-only ext2 /boot trick is safe though because nothing is ever writing to that partition |
00:27.15 | tuxd3v | gnarface, right :) |
00:27.41 | tuxd3v | f2fs is in my option list for rootfs |
00:28.01 | tuxd3v | zram too |
00:28.11 | tuxd3v | for swap |
00:28.25 | tuxd3v | with lz4 algo |
00:41.58 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.152.190) |
00:48.51 | *** join/#devuan kritias (3218fd76@50-24-253-118.htvlcmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
00:49.39 | kritias | ayyy peoples, just dropped in to say "hackaton" on the page https://devuan.org/os/install should be "hackathon". peace |
00:56.06 | *** part/#devuan james1138 (~James1138@71-222-133-42.albq.qwest.net) |
01:03.25 | *** join/#devuan xrogaan (~xrogaan@unaffiliated/xrogaan) |
01:29.58 | *** join/#devuan gmaster (~gmaster@91.149.182.110) |
01:38.46 | mason | Unless we want people to hack a ton. |
01:39.23 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.152.190) |
01:40.30 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~furrywolf@172.58.92.25) |
01:41.12 | hemimaniac | or two |
01:42.15 | djph | ^ |
01:42.40 | *** join/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@138.185.96.69) |
01:43.39 | golinux | That page has been completely rewritten on beta.devuan.org and in effect has been deleted. |
01:44.24 | golinux | The link to the beta was published in the beta announcement. |
01:44.54 | golinux | Note. I had nothing to do with the original install page. :) |
01:49.35 | *** part/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@138.185.96.69) |
01:57.26 | *** join/#devuan Centurion-Dan2 (~Thunderbi@devuan/developer/centuriondan) |
01:57.41 | *** join/#devuan fsmithred (~fsmithred@devuan/developer/fsmithred) |
02:15.21 | *** join/#devuan pekman (~pekman@unaffiliated/pekman) |
02:30.02 | *** join/#devuan Centurion_Dan (~Thunderbi@devuan/developer/centuriondan) |
03:11.02 | *** join/#devuan sunshavi (~user@190.236.255.22) |
03:19.07 | *** join/#devuan debdog (~debdog@194.140.112.68) |
03:21.11 | *** join/#devuan Stacker- (~stacker@gateway/tor-sasl/b616) |
03:30.45 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.152.190) |
04:09.25 | *** join/#devuan ukine_ (~ukine@70.127.85.200) |
04:36.41 | *** join/#devuan jonadab (~weirdidio@cpe-174-105-96-42.columbus.res.rr.com) |
05:18.30 | *** join/#devuan spacelog (~space@217.138.206.85) |
05:39.56 | *** join/#devuan nyov (~nyov@unaffiliated/nyov) |
05:45.32 | *** join/#devuan DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
08:11.14 | *** join/#devuan infobot (ibot@c-174-52-60-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
08:11.14 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
08:11.15 | *** mode/#devuan [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
08:11.19 | *** join/#devuan timeless (sid4015@firefox/developer/timeless) |
08:28.45 | *** join/#devuan chimay (~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay) |
08:42.47 | *** join/#devuan sardonico (ale@freeshell.de) |
09:03.38 | *** join/#devuan arnoldoree (~arnoldore@2001:d08:1813:b5f6:7715:ac49:7c78:2f5a) |
09:11.55 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-48-192.clienti.tiscali.it) |
09:30.46 | *** join/#devuan lupin3rd (~lupin3rd@2.236.255.144) |
09:36.53 | *** join/#devuan elc79 (~elc79@236.red-83-41-102.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) |
09:37.02 | elc79 | Hi |
09:37.41 | elc79 | I tried to install ircd-hybrid but i'm stuck at "Starting Hybrid 8 IRC Server" |
09:43.55 | *** join/#devuan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali) |
09:47.20 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
09:49.20 | gnarface | elc79: read the docs. i think you have to wirte a config first... |
09:49.25 | gnarface | not sure about that |
10:05.17 | Unit193 | There should be an example config, of course. |
10:51.48 | *** join/#devuan n0a110w (~n0a110w@unaffiliated/n0a110w) |
10:54.04 | Human_G33k | hello some of you try to use wireguard on devuan |
11:08.23 | *** join/#devuan sb35 (~sb35@67.231.16.204) |
11:24.40 | *** join/#devuan pandakekok9 (~pandakeko@wikimedia-commons/pandakekok9) |
11:26.38 | *** join/#devuan arnoldoree (~arnoldore@2001:d08:1813:b5f6:7715:ac49:7c78:2f5a) |
12:31.03 | *** join/#devuan ac_laptop (~ac_laptop@186.2.247.129) |
13:51.08 | *** join/#devuan infobot (ibot@c-174-52-60-165.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
13:51.08 | *** topic/#devuan is Welcome to Devuan! https://devuan.org | Releases: https://files.devuan.org (Jessie 1.0 old-stable, ASCII 2.1 stable) | | Conference (2019) https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ | Forum https://dev1galaxy.org | Chanlogs http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ |
13:51.08 | *** mode/#devuan [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
14:18.28 | *** join/#devuan targz (~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/targz) |
14:31.08 | *** join/#devuan james1138 (~James1138@71-222-133-42.albq.qwest.net) |
14:33.55 | fsmithred | hightower3, thanks. That should probably get a debian bug report. |
14:34.09 | fsmithred | I'm sure we don't fork that package. |
14:38.27 | *** join/#devuan Kruppt (~Kruppt@50-111-53-67.drhm.nc.frontiernet.net) |
14:39.48 | *** join/#devuan Kruppt (~Kruppt@50-111-53-67.drhm.nc.frontiernet.net) |
14:40.32 | *** join/#devuan kiwi_58 (2e7226af@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.114.38.175) |
14:43.41 | kiwi_58 | How can I change the keybord? After install I can not type su-passwort, because the keybord is that wrongly chosen. So I am locked, what can or shall I do? |
14:44.16 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
14:44.23 | fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
14:44.41 | fsmithred | maybe you already did second one |
14:46.15 | kiwi_58 | ... |
14:46.56 | *** join/#devuan kelsoo (~kelsoo@dragora/developer/kelsoo) |
14:54.04 | *** join/#devuan DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
15:07.49 | kiwi_58 | Ok, but I can not reach root, shall I reboot and try "chroot" into APT? |
15:18.10 | *** join/#devuan ErRandir (~mhabets@81.168.73.77) |
15:33.47 | fsmithred | kiwi_58, yeah, I guess that would work easier than trying to copy/paste into a terminal. (I've done that) |
15:34.40 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@2a01:e0a:4e1:97e0:179d:1cc6:8854:4d5c) |
15:35.10 | fsmithred | chroot and edit /etc/default/keyboard |
15:37.25 | fsmithred | or just boot a live-CD, mount the partition and edit the file. |
15:37.43 | *** part/#devuan james1138 (~James1138@71-222-133-42.albq.qwest.net) |
15:46.28 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.152.246) |
16:09.31 | *** join/#devuan furrywolf (~furrywolf@172.58.92.197) |
16:19.15 | kiwi_58 | <PROTECTED> |
16:19.36 | kiwi_58 | tia |
16:20.09 | kiwi_58 | Shall I try boot parameters? |
16:22.40 | *** join/#devuan james1138 (47de852a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.71.222.133.42) |
16:31.08 | *** join/#devuan telst4r (~telst4r@fsf/member/telst4r) |
16:37.24 | *** join/#devuan jathan (~jathan@fixed-187-189-102-177.totalplay.net) |
16:48.15 | *** join/#devuan jxyzn (quassel@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe73:445a) |
16:49.05 | *** part/#devuan moiree (~moiree@dslb-084-059-234-252.084.059.pools.vodafone-ip.de) |
17:31.37 | *** join/#devuan flrn_ (~flrn@b2b-37-24-173-211.unitymedia.biz) |
17:32.32 | *** join/#devuan gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) |
17:43.37 | *** join/#devuan rsx (~rsx@ppp-188-174-144-179.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
18:00.15 | *** join/#devuan flrn (~flrn@unaffiliated/flrn) |
18:02.34 | *** join/#devuan Akuli (~akuli@mobile-access-b04846-99.dhcp.inet.fi) |
18:11.21 | kiwi_58 | So what happens in such cases of spooky hardware, I would (learn to) file a bug report of undetected graphics and would the be glad for a pointer to follow. |
18:23.36 | *** join/#devuan banisterfiend (~textual@ruby/staff/banisterfiend) |
18:24.18 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.153.54) |
18:33.48 | *** join/#devuan lyubov (~lyubov@172-3-143-10.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
18:46.04 | *** join/#devuan bunyip (~bunyip@unaffiliated/bunyip) |
18:54.10 | *** join/#devuan Uberius (~uberius@gateway/tor-sasl/uberius) |
19:16.17 | *** join/#devuan shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
19:17.08 | *** join/#devuan shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
19:18.52 | *** join/#devuan ______ (~uberius@gateway/tor-sasl/uberius) |
19:21.37 | *** join/#devuan shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
19:23.29 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.153.54) |
19:31.55 | *** join/#devuan mcr (~mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca) |
19:37.13 | *** join/#devuan mcr (~mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca) |
19:41.56 | *** join/#devuan mcr (~mcr@obiwan.sandelman.ca) |
20:06.48 | *** join/#devuan xrogaan (~xrogaan@unaffiliated/xrogaan) |
20:30.33 | *** join/#devuan shibboleth (~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth) |
20:58.08 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-48-192.clienti.tiscali.it) |
20:58.19 | *** join/#devuan wgw (~wgw@seraphim.deltaspace.net) |
21:16.34 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@60.ip-51-91-255.eu) |
21:40.55 | *** join/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@177.131.178.29) |
21:41.17 | *** join/#devuan sardonico (ale@94.247.40.156) |
21:42.07 | *** part/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@177.131.178.29) |
21:49.14 | *** join/#devuan g4570n (~g4570n@unaffiliated/g4570n) |
22:08.26 | *** join/#devuan nckx (~nckx@tobias.gr) |
22:17.04 | *** join/#devuan AntoFox (~Thunderbi@dynamic-adsl-78-12-48-192.clienti.tiscali.it) |
22:18.52 | *** join/#devuan Leander (~Leander@132.147.84.158) |
22:22.56 | *** join/#devuan redrick (~rick@linuxmafia.com) |
22:32.18 | *** join/#devuan earthnative (~nemo@119.18.37.212) |
22:42.44 | gnarface | kiwi_58: bugs.devuan.org (but you should make sure to check bugs.debian.org first to make sure it's not already reported there) |
22:46.58 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@2a01:e0a:4e1:97e0:179d:1cc6:8854:4d5c) |
22:50.28 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.153.54) |
22:55.15 | *** join/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@177.131.178.29) |
22:57.16 | sacioz | hello ...I need a bit of help regarding beowulf , please. |
22:59.53 | gnarface | just ask, sacioz. you don't need permission. |
22:59.59 | sacioz | All looks good , but I get no net connection from the 'puter out...this one sits on another hd |
23:00.22 | sacioz | thank you... |
23:00.25 | gnarface | wifi or ethernet? |
23:00.32 | sacioz | ethernet |
23:01.29 | sacioz | Up to this morning I was doing OK but a new update came up and ...kaput so to speak |
23:03.35 | gnarface | hmmm |
23:03.44 | gnarface | did the kernel upgrade at that time? |
23:04.03 | sacioz | no...that one was last night |
23:04.20 | gnarface | so you know the kernel upgrade wasn't the culprit? |
23:04.31 | gnarface | it could have been a gui networking widget, are you using one of those? |
23:04.52 | sacioz | I don't think so yes am using a gui xfce |
23:05.01 | gnarface | network-manager or wicd? |
23:05.23 | sacioz | wicd I think |
23:05.53 | sacioz | gnarface everything looks perfect no losses whatsoever |
23:06.06 | sacioz | except for the connection |
23:06.26 | gnarface | hmmm |
23:06.35 | gnarface | any errors in dmesg that look relevant? |
23:06.52 | gnarface | could be a glitch in wicd |
23:07.10 | sacioz | had a look , theres a hint about ufw needing reconf |
23:07.38 | sacioz | any advice is mostly welcome |
23:07.44 | gnarface | paste that exact error line please |
23:08.09 | sacioz | I cannot as is..must swap hds |
23:08.13 | gnarface | oh |
23:08.14 | gnarface | i see |
23:08.15 | gnarface | wait |
23:08.18 | gnarface | don't do that yet |
23:08.22 | sacioz | but will do if need be |
23:08.57 | sacioz | avahi seems absent as well. |
23:09.09 | gnarface | were you using it before? |
23:09.27 | gnarface | it is possible that an update simply removed some packages you need |
23:09.33 | sacioz | Yes...I have two devuans |
23:09.33 | gnarface | (possibly due to a temporary conflict) |
23:09.44 | *** join/#devuan Xenguy (~Xenguy@devuan/community/Xenguy) |
23:09.46 | sacioz | in tow separate hds |
23:09.50 | sacioz | )) |
23:09.58 | sacioz | two I meant |
23:10.18 | gnarface | if you were using avahi before, maybe try reinstalling it. try to make the package list of relevant networking packages the same on the non-working install as the working one |
23:10.57 | sacioz | I see...will have a crack at it...many thanks |
23:11.20 | sacioz | Off I am |
23:11.23 | gnarface | sorry i can't be more help. if you get that exact error message and paste it into google though, it often will find you solutions |
23:11.52 | sacioz | thank you will try that one too... |
23:12.18 | sacioz | and another one ... |
23:12.35 | sacioz | beowulf seems heavier sorta thing |
23:12.44 | sacioz | ascii is much quicker |
23:12.52 | sacioz | par for the course, is it ? |
23:13.15 | gnarface | hard to say, but probably actually just that you've installed more active userspace stuff in beowulf |
23:13.31 | gnarface | it could also be simply broken temporarily. that is also par for the course |
23:13.43 | sacioz | I see ...right... |
23:13.56 | gnarface | if it is just wicd that is broken though, you could try disabling it and doing a manual network config just to test to make sure the drivers and hardware are still fine |
23:14.13 | sacioz | Huh huh... |
23:14.22 | gnarface | and that can get you up and running temporarily while someone fixes wicd (assuming that is the only issue) |
23:14.36 | sacioz | nods |
23:15.05 | sacioz | well that will do |
23:15.05 | gnarface | you're not mixing debian or ubuntu packages in there, right? |
23:15.24 | gnarface | sometimes there can be tiny version discrepancies that break stuff |
23:15.41 | sacioz | never did or will ,,,Mr.Golinux advises against it in bold letters s/where |
23:16.23 | gnarface | yea, just making sure |
23:16.39 | sacioz | funny thing...will go now...thanks see youse later |
23:16.51 | *** part/#devuan sacioz (~sacioz@177.131.178.29) |
23:16.52 | gnarface | good luck |
23:30.08 | *** join/#devuan cocoadaemon (~foo@60.ip-51-91-255.eu) |
23:30.15 | *** join/#devuan fleeky (~fleeky@73.93.153.54) |