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| 10:18.04 | TurBo_biT | hi all! |
| 10:19.28 | TurBo_biT | one question, a friend need OpenCL and have a AMD 5700, AMDGPU open drivers don't have OpenCL, it's possible to install the privative drivers that have OpenCL? |
| 10:21.41 | gnarface | should be possible, yes |
| 10:21.58 | gnarface | you have to enable non-free in your sources.list. don't forget the firmware package |
| 10:22.07 | TurBo_biT | tnx gnarface |
| 10:23.04 | gnarface | np |
| 10:25.24 | sixwheeledbeast | isn't there an opencl-amd package that works along side the open stack? |
| 10:30.57 | gnarface | i have no idea actually, i just know that some of their newer cards require firmware for the hardware acceleration features |
| 10:31.26 | gnarface | non-free firmware |
| 10:31.48 | gnarface | mabye not even that card, i'm not familiar with the numbers |
| 11:05.00 | sixwheeledbeast | yer it's non free. amd-opencl-icd |
| 11:05.57 | sixwheeledbeast | 5700 is a new card so hopefully latest version would have support. |
| 11:13.58 | TurBo_biT | tnx a lot for your answers |
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| 13:48.48 | manchot | I wonder how to install this on devuan? |
| 13:48.50 | manchot | https://github.com/erpalma/throttled |
| 13:49.28 | manchot | it support systemd, openrc, runit |
| 13:50.17 | manchot | not sure how to make it work on sysvinit |
| 13:59.09 | mason | manchot: Looks like a one-shot service, so you should be able to just drive it out of rc.local. |
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| 13:59.55 | mason | manchot: cat /etc/rc.local |
| 14:00.20 | mason | manchot: Remember that all the painful infrastructure people set up around these things is most of the time completely unnecessary. |
| 14:01.56 | manchot | got it. Thanks |
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| 15:03.26 | sedrosken | Well, sometime next week when I've got a couple full days to troubleshoot and tinker, I'm going to migrate this Buster install to Beowulf. I'm on Ryzen and ASCII hangs at init for me, Beowulf on another drive worked fine but I've since lost that drive, and as a stopgap I installed Buster. |
| 15:04.01 | sedrosken | So I'm mostly going to be following this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2796 and hoping my customized configuration doesn't break anything |
| 15:04.40 | sedrosken | I'll probably try to swap out to OpenRC-init while I'm at it, but the problem there is I couldn't get it to spawn my TTYs since those were all in my inittab |
| 15:05.54 | sedrosken | oh no wonder, I didn't follow this https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788 |
| 15:07.37 | sedrosken | eh, whatever, I'll get there eventually, I'll need to do this in phases |
| 15:08.14 | sedrosken | first is to migrate from buster to beowulf and get that sorted properly -- I'll ideally be using elogind and not consolekit |
| 15:09.52 | sedrosken | encrypted lvm is likely what complicates my setup more than anything |
| 15:10.07 | sedrosken | I remember it always did complain about solvable dependency loops |
| 15:14.17 | sedrosken | but, I'm optimistic, because if Gentoo can get those sorts of setups working on OpenRC without issues or complaints then so can I here |
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| 15:42.15 | golinux | sedr |
| 15:45.23 | golinux | sedrosken: There are also instructions on https://beta.devuan.org/ for migration from buster to beowulf |
| 15:45.57 | golinux | Still a WIP but that section is pretty much completed. |
| 15:47.27 | sedrosken | oooh, thanks |
| 15:47.38 | sedrosken | I didn't even know the beta portion of the site existed |
| 15:48.26 | golinux | It doesn't yet. |
| 15:48.33 | sedrosken | is there a Beowulf installer ISO at all? even just a beta one would be fantastic |
| 15:48.34 | golinux | Still working on it |
| 15:48.37 | sedrosken | ah |
| 15:49.32 | sedrosken | Now, do these instructions work on the latest 10.3 release of Buster or just 10.0? |
| 15:49.54 | fsmithred | they worked a week or two ago |
| 15:50.03 | Joril | sedrosken: I'm using http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso (updated 10-Feb) |
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| 15:50.29 | sedrosken | Joril, thanks! I'll definitely keep that in mind if straight migrating doesn't work |
| 15:51.26 | sedrosken | now that said, I'm scared that autoremoving will just nuke most of what I've got installed |
| 15:51.48 | fsmithred | may or may not. --simulate might help you |
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| 15:53.10 | golinux | sedrosken: https://borta.rrq.id.au/ Also a WIP |
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| 15:53.33 | sedrosken | sweeeeet, thanks |
| 15:54.31 | sedrosken | now, about the solvable dependency loops when doing full disk encryption on OpenRC -- is that actually solvable? |
| 15:55.18 | fsmithred | the what? |
| 15:55.41 | fsmithred | how full is full? Is /boot encrypted? |
| 15:56.17 | sedrosken | no, I have /boot and an EFI partition, but the rest of the system is encrypted via dm-crypt and the actual volumes are logical volumes overtop of that |
| 15:56.51 | fsmithred | good |
| 15:56.51 | sedrosken | swap and root are logical volumes on top of an encrypted block, and my /home is another logical volume on an encrypted block on a different drive |
| 15:56.55 | golinux | There is an encryption page on the beta site install guide |
| 15:57.14 | golinux | Don't know whether it would apply to you. |
| 15:57.37 | sedrosken | I'm able to boot and all but I get yelled at about solvable dependency chains and the machine takes forever to shut down since it's waiting on volumes that can't be closed because they're not unmounted |
| 15:57.37 | fsmithred | were you already using sysvinit in buster, or systemd? |
| 15:57.50 | fsmithred | that's what I was wondering |
| 15:57.54 | fsmithred | there's a fix for that |
| 15:58.12 | fsmithred | and I haven't gotten around to packaging it yet, but you just need to replace one file |
| 15:58.14 | sedrosken | I'm still in systemd right now, I haven't migrated yet, but I'm working off of my earlier experience with beowulf |
| 15:58.20 | fsmithred | I'll get you a link |
| 15:58.27 | sedrosken | oh wow thanks again |
| 15:59.48 | fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/cryptsetup-modified-functions/raw/master/cryptdisks-functions |
| 16:00.03 | sedrosken | I'll follow the migration process probably tomorrow when I get home and have some time to poke at it after work, or I might burn my candle at both ends and get it done today before work instead of going to bed |
| 16:00.08 | fsmithred | replace /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks-functions |
| 16:00.26 | fsmithred | follow dev1fanboy's guide |
| 16:00.35 | fsmithred | buster to beowulf is a bit tricky |
| 16:00.45 | fsmithred | but it works |
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| 16:01.19 | sedrosken | this is what golinux linked me to earlier, is this it? https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/migrate-to-beowulf.html |
| 16:01.31 | fsmithred | yes |
| 16:01.45 | sedrosken | alrighty then, cool |
| 16:02.28 | sedrosken | so, I should leave backports out until I get migrated like the guide says or will it not hurt anything? I also have packages from contrib and non-free, do I specifically need to keep it to just main? |
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| 16:02.48 | fsmithred | keep contrib and non-free |
| 16:02.56 | fsmithred | comment out backports |
| 16:03.10 | fsmithred | or leave out |
| 16:03.23 | sedrosken | alright |
| 16:03.36 | sedrosken | yeah you know what I'm feeling okay, I'll go ahead and get started on that now |
| 16:03.46 | fsmithred | lol, yeah |
| 16:04.05 | sedrosken | and then I'm going to hate myself tonight at work lol |
| 16:04.09 | fsmithred | I usually do a fresh install instead of an upgrade |
| 16:04.29 | fsmithred | of course then it takes weeks to get set up |
| 16:04.53 | sedrosken | I *would* since this is still a relatively fresh install of Debian and I don't have *everything* set up yet |
| 16:05.01 | sedrosken | but I'm going to try this and see how it goes first |
| 16:05.11 | fsmithred | let us know either way |
| 16:05.17 | sedrosken | if all else fails, I'll throw one of rrq's isos onto a USB stick and do that |
| 16:05.23 | sedrosken | but I'm hoping it won't come to that |
| 16:05.42 | fsmithred | should work ok |
| 16:06.10 | fsmithred | the guy who wrote the migration guide also went to beowulf from stretch and then from jessie |
| 16:06.28 | fsmithred | not sure how well the last one worked out |
| 16:08.38 | sedrosken | I have rather extremely slow internet and I use znc, though I have everything backed up so I should be OK |
| 16:08.59 | sedrosken | so if I leave and don't come back for a long while, take that as an "I needed to install from scratch" |
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| 16:10.33 | fsmithred | ok, good luck |
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| 16:13.29 | sedrosken | I didn't want wicd but upgrading is installing it anyway :/ |
| 16:13.47 | sedrosken | I just use networking and /etc/networking/interfaces since I just use a static IP on ethernet |
| 16:20.20 | fsmithred | aptitude why wicd |
| 16:20.53 | fsmithred | if you have trouble removing it, you might need to install something without recommends |
| 16:21.29 | sedrosken | it's fine, I'll work that out later, it doesn't seem to have properly configured itself either so its fine |
| 16:21.37 | sedrosken | I'll just make sure to enable networking |
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| 16:47.51 | sedrosken | Well I'm mostly there |
| 16:47.59 | sedrosken | I just now have no networking |
| 16:48.17 | sedrosken | ifconfig doesn't even show my Ethernet card |
| 16:49.16 | sedrosken | I got it booting , installed openrc and elogind (removing consolekit) got rid of wicd and reinstalled mate |
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| 16:50.24 | sedrosken | I can't bring up my interface with ifup because, well, it doesn't exist now |
| 16:50.27 | sedrosken | That's concerning |
| 16:50.42 | sedrosken | Ifup exists but my interface doesn't |
| 16:50.49 | sedrosken | I wonder if I'm missing firmware |
| 16:51.05 | sedrosken | It's an r8169 so it should work without it though I thought |
| 16:54.35 | sedrosken | Replacing cryptdisks-functions worked by the way, it no longer complains |
| 16:56.29 | sedrosken | When I start the networking service all I have is lo now |
| 16:57.29 | sedrosken | Networking seems to be the only thing I'm missing aside from everything apt wants to autoremove, but I'll deal with that particular bit later |
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| 17:02.52 | sedrosken | Heeeeere we gooooo |
| 17:03.07 | sedrosken | So turns out it's enumerated as eth0 again under sysv/openrc |
| 17:03.16 | sedrosken | Not enp5s0 as it was being called |
| 17:03.29 | sedrosken | Fix my interfaces file and voila |
| 17:03.39 | sedrosken | Good old modprobe and dmesg |
| 17:04.07 | sedrosken | Should networking be in the default or boot runlevel? I dropped it in boot, it's pretty important |
| 17:05.52 | sedrosken | Okay, gonna leave here to bring up my znc |
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| 17:06.57 | sedrosken | well |
| 17:06.59 | sedrosken | that was actually relatively quick and painless |
| 17:07.09 | fsmithred | cool |
| 17:07.19 | sedrosken | grub's throwing some weird errors at start but it eventually works so I'm not too concerned |
| 17:07.20 | fsmithred | you already had most of the packages |
| 17:07.41 | fsmithred | what errors? |
| 17:07.43 | sedrosken | something about there being no server? update-grub doesn't fix it |
| 17:07.59 | fsmithred | doesn't sound familiar |
| 17:08.15 | sedrosken | maybe it's mad about the background update-grub tries to foist on it? I'm not sure |
| 17:08.27 | fsmithred | missing theme? |
| 17:08.32 | fsmithred | I've seen that error |
| 17:08.40 | sedrosken | I... guess? |
| 17:08.54 | sedrosken | It eventually gets it so again I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be scared |
| 17:08.54 | fsmithred | and you have to press a key to get to the boot menu? |
| 17:08.58 | sedrosken | yes |
| 17:09.05 | sedrosken | yup |
| 17:09.22 | fsmithred | I've seen that occasionally |
| 17:09.40 | fsmithred | I know it's happened when booting the installer iso from a usb stick |
| 17:10.01 | fsmithred | I don't think it has happened in an installed system, but I'm not sure |
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| 17:10.12 | fsmithred | installs come and go quickly around here |
| 17:10.14 | sedrosken | also thanks for the updated cryptdisks-functions, that works great |
| 17:10.35 | sedrosken | it might be a quirk of the migration, it certainly didn't happen before I did that |
| 17:11.30 | fsmithred | it does not happen if systemd is installed |
| 17:11.32 | fsmithred | uh... |
| 17:11.38 | fsmithred | let me rephrase that |
| 17:11.54 | fsmithred | systemd does not show you the error message and just shuts it down |
| 17:12.17 | sedrosken | I'm not sure what systemd has to do with it, it's the grub bootloader itself giving me this error before i get to the menu |
| 17:12.36 | fsmithred | oh, I thought you meant the encrypted shutdown delay |
| 17:12.48 | sedrosken | nope |
| 17:12.53 | sedrosken | that's fixed |
| 17:13.05 | sedrosken | the updated cryptdisks-functions fixed that up in a jiffy |
| 17:13.11 | fsmithred | cool |
| 17:13.27 | sedrosken | no, what I'm talking about is an error at grub before the boot menu is brought up |
| 17:13.38 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't know what causes that |
| 17:13.55 | sedrosken | it's not a critical failure or anything, just an annoyance |
| 17:16.18 | fsmithred | is there a grub theme line in /etc/default/grub? |
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| 17:16.37 | fsmithred | if so, you should be able to comment it out, then update-grub |
| 17:16.38 | sedrosken | hm, yup |
| 17:16.49 | sedrosken | yeah I'm gonna go ahead and do that |
| 17:16.50 | fsmithred | or install desktop-base to get the theme |
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| 17:17.49 | sedrosken | ahaha that also fixed most of the stuff showing up in autoremove |
| 17:18.51 | sedrosken | yeah as far as this stuff goes that was remarkably quick and painless |
| 17:19.44 | fsmithred | you added desktop-base? |
| 17:20.24 | sedrosken | yup |
| 17:22.22 | fsmithred | ok, that makes sense (about the autoremove list) |
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