| 00:00.23 | tuxd3v | gnarface, maybe its gcalculator that comes with xfce preinstalled |
| 00:00.28 | tuxd3v | I don't really know |
| 00:00.41 | tuxd3v | but I don't ind it in i386 image |
| 00:00.51 | tuxd3v | I am migrating to i386 :) |
| 00:01.00 | tuxd3v | only 4 GB Ram ddr2 |
| 00:01.03 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 00:01.17 | tuxd3v | specing, octave is really nice |
| 00:01.29 | tuxd3v | but for terminal one can use just 'bc' |
| 00:01.59 | gnarface | well i see the word "calculator" repeated 80 times in the ceres repo |
| 00:02.01 | tuxd3v | bc <<<'2+3' |
| 00:02.18 | tuxd3v | hehehe, I am still in ascii |
| 00:02.28 | tuxd3v | and I wanted to install the default one :) |
| 00:02.58 | tuxd3v | but I don't remember..I have here the old image I will reboot maybe tomorrow and check on it what is the default calculator app :) |
| 00:03.05 | gnarface | i dunno what it is. all i can suggest is run this and see if one looks familiar: apt-cache search calculator |
| 00:03.47 | gnarface | or maybe this will shorten the list without removing the one you're looking for: apt-cache search scientific.calculator |
| 00:05.32 | tuxd3v | gnarface, yeah I run that, but I will confirm tomorrow when reboot |
| 00:05.38 | tuxd3v | and then install it.. |
| 00:05.47 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 00:06.17 | specing | tuxd3v: once you have Octave, you never go back |
| 00:06.24 | specing | bc, gcalc, $whatever all suck |
| 00:06.39 | tuxd3v | specing, hehe |
| 00:07.10 | tuxd3v | Octave is in the scientific worl, maybe one of the best tools I have ever used |
| 00:07.16 | specing | I have a keyboard bind on ~, so my WM renders a terminal on the top half of my screen |
| 00:07.17 | tuxd3v | its superpowerfull |
| 00:07.20 | specing | same terminal on all desktops |
| 00:07.41 | specing | and it runs octave-cli in tmux with a bunch of other stuff too |
| 00:07.47 | tuxd3v | I just use tilda |
| 00:08.03 | tuxd3v | but tilda goes to 30-40MB of Ram...yeah |
| 00:08.11 | tuxd3v | dificult to digest.. |
| 00:09.06 | tuxd3v | actually in i386 ascii version comes a qterminal tool |
| 00:09.26 | tuxd3v | that permits at some extent to emulate what tilda does, with drop down terminals... |
| 00:09.33 | tuxd3v | Quake fps like terminal.. |
| 00:09.38 | tuxd3v | very nice. |
| 00:10.27 | tuxd3v | I don't know if there are some minimal version Tilda like |
| 00:10.46 | tuxd3v | consuming lets imaginate-- 20MB would ve nice :) |
| 00:10.58 | tuxd3v | ve -> be |
| 00:13.55 | tuxd3v | specing, I even prefer Octave to Matlab to be honest, has I find some things only possible in Matlab when using certain scales, that you can to in Octave without restrictions, however, with speed penalizations... fft is one of them.. |
| 00:17.32 | specing | *shrug* |
| 00:17.36 | specing | never really used Matlab |
| 00:17.44 | specing | except in school ... to run my Octave scripts ;P |
| 00:18.00 | specing | had to dumb them down so MATLAB would understand them, even |
| 00:18.44 | specing | slowness is a problem, it has no JIT |
| 00:20.04 | tuxd3v | I had to translate Octave to MatLab code in the University, some years ago, because it was understood has "very rude" by the catedratic personnel, that a student decides to use a opensource tool, to do the Job, better done than the MatLab they were trying to "Sell" you.. |
| 00:20.49 | tuxd3v | So as a delivery method, I need to deliver in MatLab |
| 00:21.04 | tuxd3v | but the work were done first in Octave and tested.. |
| 00:21.26 | tuxd3v | My Univesity has an agreement with MatLab.. |
| 00:21.38 | tuxd3v | in the same way they had with Microsoft...puff |
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| 00:27.04 | DarwinElf | and where can I download just the deboostrap .deb? |
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| 00:29.17 | tuxd3v | DarwinElf, 'apt-get download deboostrap' |
| 00:29.23 | gnarface | DarwinElf: the repos are http so you can just use a web browser but this is easier^^^ |
| 00:29.27 | DarwinElf | well it's not on a Devuan system |
| 00:29.57 | gnarface | that should work on a debian system too if you point the sources.list at the devuan repos |
| 00:30.07 | DarwinElf | (see earlier discussion why I needed it separately on a Debian-based system) |
| 00:30.29 | gnarface | otherwise you're just gonna have to get a web browser up and dig through the repos manually |
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| 00:30.50 | DarwinElf | so I can use Debian's/Kubuntu |
| 00:31.00 | DarwinElf | 's and change the repository? |
| 00:31.17 | gnarface | yes, but Kubuntu doesn't belong to Debian |
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| 00:31.33 | DarwinElf | it's probably the same package |
| 00:31.36 | gnarface | any Debian derivative with a compatible version of apt should work though |
| 00:32.13 | gnarface | for most the packages it is the same package, but for debootstrap the devuan one has been special historically. i don't *think* the devuan-specific patches have been upstreamed, but i don't know. |
| 00:32.41 | gnarface | what i thought i heard them saying was that someone tried to upstream the patches and found them already present in the upstream source, just disabled by commenting out |
| 00:32.54 | DarwinElf | when I saw a Devuan pkginfo website it said a Debian maintainer is obstructing the patches |
| 00:33.00 | gnarface | (which suggests that they're fully aware of the issue and are holding it in place on purpose) |
| 00:33.18 | gnarface | yea, that isn't the only case of obstruction |
| 00:33.36 | gnarface | but that is why i know the package isn't the same |
| 00:33.45 | gnarface | ...unless that has changed recently |
| 00:34.36 | gnarface | but the devuan version of debootstrap should still work on debian afaik |
| 00:34.55 | DarwinElf | which debootstrap is best then? |
| 00:35.42 | gnarface | obviously the devuan one :) |
| 00:35.53 | gnarface | though afaik they're all basically identical except for that one patch |
| 00:36.12 | gnarface | and the patch might consist of one whole word |
| 00:36.17 | gnarface | or maybe a line |
| 00:36.24 | gnarface | it is likely you could edit it by hand |
| 00:37.35 | gnarface | i could be wrong, but i think it's literally just a one-word line that includes "ascii" as a valid release name |
| 00:40.06 | DarwinElf | the repository directory names make little sense compared to older POSIX-based OSes... having a lot of trouble finding any .debs... |
| 00:43.29 | gnarface | here, let me get that for you http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
| 00:43.46 | JackFrost | I hear mmdebstrap is cooler and faster, fwiw. |
| 00:43.48 | gnarface | (they're organized the same way as debian's repos) |
| 00:45.40 | DarwinElf | i found it |
| 00:45.52 | DarwinElf | what's mmdebootstrap? |
| 00:47.11 | JackFrost | A new tool for debootstrapping, it's supposed to be quite a lot faster than debootstrap itself, but not as portable (you need apt installed.) |
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| 00:51.06 | DarwinElf | the first page I found, the people didn't even use debootstrap. If I was installing from a more powerful Devuan itself (to make package less poweful one can't) that'd be the way I do it. The OSes I prefer using are so old they don't have a tool, you just do it yourself |
| 00:51.18 | DarwinElf | 'first "example" page' |
| 00:53.19 | DarwinElf | guess I got it working though... |
| 00:54.13 | DarwinElf | the packages don't seem to be named x86_64 though... maybe that's all that exists in this case anyway? |
| 00:58.50 | DarwinElf | i'm in the chroot but aptitude isn't finding libtls8.6 (or even 8.5)... which was found on my Devuan VPS... |
| 00:59.21 | gnarface | didn't you say you were targeting a i386 system? |
| 00:59.25 | DarwinElf | LoL, on the VPS, aptitude wasn't found (but that's fixed) but tls8.6 was |
| 00:59.26 | DarwinElf | never said that |
| 00:59.32 | DarwinElf | x86_64 |
| 00:59.38 | gnarface | oh, well either way it's amd64 here not x86_64 |
| 00:59.52 | gnarface | don't get confused, that's for intel chips too still |
| 01:00.26 | gnarface | the chroot has it's own /etc/apt/sources.list file, so you'll probably want to copy the host one over it and then re-run "apt-get update" to be able to see the libtls versions you are expecting |
| 01:01.10 | gnarface | (you might need the bind mounts for that to work) |
| 01:01.18 | gnarface | (not sure) |
| 01:02.10 | DarwinElf | i don't even have a 386. I might've had a '686' with about 128MB RAM but that was in the 1990s... just didn't need much RAM on this amd64 VPS |
| 01:03.25 | gnarface | kept his 686 |
| 01:04.23 | DarwinElf | i gave 686 to parents but later kept my 786 (no ISA after that,) Okay, I copied /etc/apt/sources.list from the VPS to my PC's chroot, did 'apt-get update' but it's still not finding libtls*... |
| 01:06.00 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 01:06.39 | gnarface | your sources.list might be wrong |
| 01:06.50 | gnarface | you should see libtlsh-dev and libtlsh0 |
| 01:06.55 | gnarface | they're in debian and devuan |
| 01:07.13 | gnarface | if you're looking for some other libtls* it's just not there |
| 01:07.17 | DarwinElf | i see those, but I don't need those. I need libtls8.6 |
| 01:07.38 | gnarface | it doesn't appear to be in Debian, either |
| 01:07.52 | gnarface | i remember it, but i don't know what happened to it |
| 01:07.57 | gnarface | seems to be gone from all releases |
| 01:08.15 | DarwinElf | maybe I installed that on a different server and this is what I need then... |
| 01:08.33 | DarwinElf | i'll try it |
| 01:08.53 | gnarface | hmm, i'm not sure though |
| 01:08.56 | tuxd3v | also keep close to his chest, his 686 |
| 01:08.57 | DarwinElf | oops. I think it was libtcl8.6 |
| 01:09.18 | gnarface | the description "fuzzy hashing library" doesn't seem related to libtls but i don't know what really happened to libtls |
| 01:09.42 | gnarface | ah, libtcl has even less in common with libtls |
| 01:10.01 | gnarface | libtcl is a gui toolkit |
| 01:10.14 | gnarface | a old one |
| 01:10.27 | DarwinElf | yeah, I just confused it with tcltls |
| 01:10.43 | gnarface | and it is definitely present, both 8.5 and 8.6 i'm seeing actually |
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| 01:14.57 | bsd4me | fsmithred: if you're here, I was able to get X running and also got wifi working :) |
| 01:15.17 | fsmithred | hi |
| 01:15.36 | fsmithred | cool. What did you have to do? (in 25 words or less) |
| 01:17.03 | tuxd3v | cannot advise, since he always use 25 * 10, unfortunately |
| 01:17.10 | DarwinElf | cmake works fine on my VPS but in the chroot (despite being installed) is saying it can't find CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER... so I set that ('root@cosmos:~/znc-1.7.4/build# echo $CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER'--'/usr/bin/cmake') and it's still saying the same thing... is this because I ended up with i386 instead of amd64 I needed, somehow? |
| 01:17.17 | bsd4me | Lol, added a conf file to /etc/X11/xorg.d for and chip, then found out that rfkill was network problem, so downloaded that, and unblocked wlan |
| 01:17.45 | fsmithred | great |
| 01:18.03 | bsd4me | Was that over 25??? :D |
| 01:18.12 | fsmithred | I'm not counting |
| 01:18.14 | bsd4me | Yep, looks pretty good |
| 01:18.16 | fsmithred | looks ok |
| 01:18.50 | bsd4me | So now to start adding programs. Thanks! |
| 01:19.03 | fsmithred | yw |
| 01:19.09 | fsmithred | I'm glad it worked out |
| 01:19.26 | bsd4me | Me too. Bit of frustration, but got it :) |
| 01:21.24 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, does you know( out of your head), what is the default calculator for the i386 ascii iso? |
| 01:21.48 | tuxd3v | I don't find one installed, but I wanted the install the same that is in amd64 iso |
| 01:21.50 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 01:22.09 | fsmithred | the live isos should be the same |
| 01:22.29 | tuxd3v | I have used the cd nr.1 |
| 01:22.30 | fsmithred | I don't know if xfce has a calculator. I just use xcalc |
| 01:22.51 | JackFrost | It doesn't, either mate-calc or gnome-calculator are likely candidates. |
| 01:23.13 | fsmithred | xcalc might already be installed. I think it comes with x11-utils |
| 01:24.03 | tuxd3v | thanks a lot, found another calculator, |
| 01:24.10 | tuxd3v | yes indeed is comes installed :) |
| 01:24.19 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, which one? |
| 01:24.33 | tuxd3v | it doesn't have decimal/hexadecimal/binary conversions but its very nice :) |
| 01:24.38 | tuxd3v | xcalc |
| 01:25.48 | tuxd3v | its a nice tool |
| 01:26.11 | tuxd3v | will createa xcalc.desktop file for it :) |
| 01:26.18 | tuxd3v | createa -> create |
| 01:30.36 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks! |
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| 02:17.40 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, does you use any preconfigured "theme" for xcalc ? |
| 02:17.47 | tuxd3v | colors, size, etc |
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| 02:45.17 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, no themes here. |
| 02:46.52 | pencilandpaper | I tell you a bummer, I was going to try and check out some other DE's..and can't install them since I ugraded. I did it to myself though. :) |
| 02:47.04 | pencilandpaper | It could be worse, but a bummer indeed. :) |
| 02:47.24 | fsmithred | upgraded to what? |
| 02:47.38 | fsmithred | They are all in beowulf |
| 02:47.57 | pencilandpaper | I'm on chimera/ceres. |
| 02:48.10 | fsmithred | oh, good luck |
| 02:48.23 | pencilandpaper | chimaera * |
| 02:48.28 | pencilandpaper | I know right. lol |
| 02:49.00 | pencilandpaper | I run Xfce by default, so its all good there. |
| 02:49.32 | pencilandpaper | I can't wait for 4.14 to be available. |
| 02:50.04 | fsmithred | I think all of it except xfce4-session is in ceres |
| 02:50.29 | pencilandpaper | Yeah, thats what I think I saw as well. |
| 02:51.00 | fsmithred | my ceres xfce get big black zones at the top of the screen |
| 02:51.36 | fsmithred | I haven't investigated to figure out the cause. It's in a VM, and I don't use it. |
| 02:52.29 | pencilandpaper | Mine doesn't have that issue..but my wallpaper is black. One sec. |
| 02:53.05 | pencilandpaper | Yeah, I don't have that issue over this way. |
| 02:53.31 | pencilandpaper | I run this as my daily OS pretty much, but I do have something else installed just in case..and do make snapshots as well. |
| 02:55.06 | pencilandpaper | Running in a VM is sometimes a lot different than running on the host system though fsmithred , I have noticed that. |
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| 03:07.09 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks, the standard there is nice for someone that sees very well, but not otherwise :) |
| 03:07.35 | tuxd3v | I discovered that is possible to tune it almost in a "infinite way" :9 |
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| 03:13.47 | gnarface | pencilandpaper: enlightenment should be working in ceres, though i've only managed to prove it with nvidia binary drivers though so ymmv |
| 03:14.11 | gnarface | pencilandpaper: (e23) |
| 03:14.45 | pencilandpaper | Nice gnarface , thanks. I used to run enlightenment a lot actually. Just to keep checking it out. |
| 03:14.55 | pencilandpaper | I haven't used it in a good while though. |
| 03:15.04 | gnarface | pencilandpaper: i tried afterstep, blackbox and windowlab recently and they were all functioning too |
| 03:18.12 | pencilandpaper | Cool.. |
| 03:18.37 | pencilandpaper | I wonder if Openbox is..I may check it out just to see. |
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| 04:12.14 | onefang | It's my turn to ask for help. I'm hoping someone here can help with network bridging. I'm trying to bridge eth0 to br0, in Devuan ASCII, so I can later use that for qemu. But I get this bit of silliness when I bring up br0 - https://paste.debian.net/1130400/ |
| 04:13.11 | furrywolf | LOL. something does not know what comments are. |
| 04:13.24 | onefang | Note the names of the interfaces it says don't exist. Spells out what looks like a shell comment. I have searched my entire operating system, can't find that comment anywhere. |
| 04:13.44 | onefang | Can't find anything remotely useful on the web. |
| 04:13.49 | furrywolf | grep -R "replace with your actual interface" /etc/* |
| 04:14.15 | onefang | Like I said, can't find that phrase on my operating system to replace it. ;-P |
| 04:14.49 | onefang | Not in /etc, not in usr, not in var, not in boot, not in lib, .... |
| 04:15.39 | onefang | I'm done pulling out hair over this, I only have one left before I start on my beard. |
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| 04:17.33 | onefang | So in desperation, I'm doing something I very rarely need to do, ask for help |
| 04:18.29 | furrywolf | so you tried a grep -iR on those locations? |
| 04:19.31 | onefang | Yes, for the third time, I searched everywhere. lol |
| 04:20.11 | furrywolf | ok, I don't know what you considered searching. :P |
| 04:22.31 | furrywolf | what did you run that gave that? |
| 04:23.49 | onefang | I setup the br0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces, disabled the interface it bridges to, then I get that on boot and ifup br0. |
| 04:26.16 | furrywolf | can't even figure out what gives the does not exist message in that format |
| 04:27.48 | tuxd3v | furrywolf, it should be a for cycle |
| 04:27.49 | furrywolf | and why is it ifdowning it when you ifup it, anyway? lol |
| 04:28.38 | tuxd3v | it his reading one line word by word, and for each one tries to find the network name |
| 04:29.02 | onefang | I figured that much. |
| 04:29.09 | tuxd3v | hhhe |
| 04:29.15 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 04:29.45 | furrywolf | I would say it's a shell script doing a bad job parsing another shell script |
| 04:29.54 | furrywolf | or shell-like config file |
| 04:30.45 | onefang | I think I just figured it out. Now to reboot to be sure. BRB |
| 04:32.18 | furrywolf | we may have different software installed, or versions or something... |
| 04:32.24 | furrywolf | even though this box is also ascii |
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| 04:40.23 | furrywolf | and now they have no network at all? :) |
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| 04:54.05 | furrywolf | onefang: ... and then you had no network at all? :) |
| 04:54.32 | onefang | Almost there, still gotta sort out - "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" Which argument? |
| 04:55.03 | furrywolf | so where was that comment and what was trying to parse it? |
| 04:55.25 | onefang | Nah, Internet is on a different interface, I'm experimenting with an internal network, until I get it sorted out. |
| 04:58.34 | onefang | /etc/network/interfaces doesn't allow end of line comments, only comments on their own line. I had copied "bridge_ports eth0 # replace eth0 with your actual interface name" from a web site, and didn't think that "# replace with your actual interface name" might have included a real interface name that did exist when I was searching for it, coz "# replace with your actual interface name" sounds like a v |
| 04:58.35 | onefang | alid English comment to me. |
| 04:59.00 | onefang | And it's bridge-utils that was doing the dead I think. |
| 04:59.27 | furrywolf | ah. and that explains why the searches I did, which included substrings just in case it was broken up somehow, didn't find it, because I don't have lines copies from that web page. lol |
| 04:59.32 | onefang | glues- his hair back on and gets on with this project. |
| 05:00.38 | furrywolf | I was even doing multi-line greps in case there was a newline in it or something. lol |
| 05:01.48 | onefang | As is often the case, explaining the tricky problems to someone helps. B-) |
| 05:02.31 | furrywolf | I should have considered that you might have entered that comment yourself and didn't remember it. I did not consider this. :P |
| 05:02.54 | onefang | I've had engineers explaining stuff to me that I don't understand for exactly that reason, and half way through they stop and go "Ohh, that's what I did wrong". |
| 05:04.17 | furrywolf | and then I started running /*bin /usr/*bin through strings and grepping that, in case it had ended up compiled into something... lol |
| 05:05.12 | onefang | Time for another reboot or three to track down "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" |
| 05:05.19 | onefang | BRB |
| 05:05.29 | furrywolf | cyas! |
| 05:05.34 | furrywolf | I'm off to bed myself. |
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| 06:41.24 | onefang | "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" it was the gateway argument, removed it, no more error messages, and it works. It selected the correct gateway by itself. B-) |
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| 07:21.25 | DarwinElf | after I compile a package in a chroot, how do I make the .deb (i.e., it's for a different system that wasn't powerful enough to compile it but is powerful enough to run it) |
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| 18:03.44 | joshbowyer | hello |
| 18:04.23 | APic | Hi |
| 18:05.20 | joshbowyer | couldnt get access to the devuan-dev but ive identified an issue in the battery/power system in cinnamon |
| 18:05.23 | joshbowyer | with upowerglib |
| 18:06.34 | joshbowyer | not sure if there are any devs who would like to see my testing |
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| 19:16.09 | DarwinElf | is there a HOWTO/tutorial to use equivs to build package (just for personal usage? I just need to make it for a server not powerful enough to build it, but I think can run it) |
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