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| 05:35.17 | sedrosken | also, I'd like to build a kernel with the ck patchset, and everything I'm reading online is telling me I need a package called kernel-package, for which there is no installation candidate |
| 05:35.56 | sedrosken | a little digging tells me it's not available for Debian Buster either, which tells me there's either something to replace it, or they just don't want us building custom kernels anymore, which I find unlikely |
| 05:39.10 | sedrosken | my question is, what replaces it? |
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| 06:27.07 | gnarface | sedrosken: it is still present in ceres so my assumption is that it's just temporarily broken |
| 06:27.55 | gnarface | sedrosken: you might be able to build the kernel by using the scripts in the debian kernel source package itself though |
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| 07:42.43 | storm_ | hello everyone |
| 07:43.23 | storm_ | I would like ti ask some question about using computer |
| 07:43.48 | storm_ | which laptops vendor are you using |
| 07:44.21 | storm_ | the linux people using Lenovo Thinkpad Series usually |
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| 08:08.53 | gnarface | this is a support channel, storm_, you should ask in #debianfork instead |
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| 16:16.00 | James1138 | Minor question (I hope). How much trouble will it be to upgrade Devuan XFCE from 4.12 to 4.14?? |
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| 16:17.56 | fsmithred | James1138, are you planning to upgrade beowulf to ceres? |
| 16:18.12 | fsmithred | or do you want to backport all of xfce4? |
| 16:18.54 | fsmithred | either way, xfce4-session 4.14 has not been devuanized yet. We still have 4.12 in ceres, but the rest of xfce is 4.14 |
| 16:18.57 | James1138 | Fsmithred;cNot planning upgrade - happy with Beowulf. |
| 16:19.10 | fsmithred | then you would have to backport xfce |
| 16:19.21 | James1138 | Ahh |
| 16:19.34 | fsmithred | I suppose you could try installing xfce from ceres, but be prepared to trash your system |
| 16:20.03 | fsmithred | I suspect it would be a big mess of dependencies |
| 16:20.43 | fsmithred | what's 4.14 got that 4.12 has not? |
| 16:21.00 | JackFrost | You'll have to ensure you do them in the right order, and to get any gtk2 panel plugins as those would need rebuilt aginst the new xfce4-panel. |
| 16:23.09 | James1138 | Just wondering and thinking about being more current - but from what I read JackFrost just wrote - I'll just stay where I am. |
| 16:23.46 | JackFrost | Yeah if there's no specific feature you seek, no point in jumping. |
| 16:24.27 | fsmithred | this is a debian-based distro - old software is a feature |
| 16:25.45 | JackFrost | fsmithred: Sure, but in some cases it might be nice as 4.14 has much better multimonitor support, and less tearing for some people. But either way, it'd be unsupported on that release. :P |
| 16:32.04 | fsmithred | well, as for tearing, my xfce on ceres sucks. |
| 16:33.42 | fsmithred | xfce on beowulf is working nicely. The multi-monitor support is sufficient for my needs, and I no longer need to use lxrandr. |
| 16:34.04 | furrywolf | I like icewm... fast and doesn't get in the way of using my computer. |
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| 17:10.05 | gordonDrogon | not devuan specicic, just musing on the mention of multi-monitor stuff above - I have 2 screens - 1080p hdmi and an older 1280x1024 which I use, however I only use it for openshot so have a shell wrapper round the openshot call to enable the 2nd screen using a script that xrandr generated for me. (and another to disable when done) using ascii+xfce4 fwiw. |
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| 19:07.11 | nemo | so... #debian had a genius idea for my kernel woes |
| 19:07.41 | nemo | since I *had* gotten that stupid rootkit building in ascii (aka stretch) why not just pin stretch (aka ascii) to use those kernel headers instead |
| 19:07.52 | nemo | I don't particularly need any new kernel features on this machine |
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| 19:45.45 | nemo | hm |
| 19:45.49 | nemo | my pin file must be incorrect |
| 19:45.56 | nemo | can't seem to get apt-cache policy to pick it up properly |
| 19:46.42 | fsmithred | paste it somewhere (not here) |
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| 19:48.18 | nemo | fsmithred: https://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt |
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| 19:48.45 | nemo | fsmithred: I also tried a=ascii-updates n=ascii a=ascii-backports ... |
| 19:49.11 | nemo | but apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 keeps scoring beowulf higher |
| 19:49.11 | fsmithred | why? |
| 19:49.21 | nemo | fsmithred: because I don't know what I'm doing I guess ⺠|
| 19:49.23 | fsmithred | yeah, it will pull the latest one |
| 19:49.28 | nemo | https://wiki.debian.org/AptConfiguration?action=show&redirect=AptPreferences I'm just reading this |
| 19:49.32 | fsmithred | remove linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:49.36 | fsmithred | it's a metapackage |
| 19:49.56 | fsmithred | then of course you will need to install any newer version kernels by name |
| 19:50.15 | nemo | fsmithred: I'm just trying to use the ascii kernel with beowulf through an explicit pin |
| 19:50.44 | nemo | if I rerun apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 it's still recommending the beowulf one. I thought the 1000 for the pin should make ascii take precedence |
| 19:51.02 | nemo | (rerun after removing the meta) |
| 19:51.47 | fsmithred | I would just install the kernel I want and set grub to boot that entry |
| 19:51.57 | nemo | fsmithred: I just want updates to proceed normally |
| 19:52.11 | nemo | fsmithred: and I have to use a 4.9 kernel until I figure out how to fix https://m8y.org/tmp/cylance-errors.txt |
| 19:52.31 | nemo | output of make clean default against https://m8y.org/tmp/CyProtectDrv.tar |
| 19:52.36 | nemo | 4.9 I was able to get built |
| 19:53.02 | nemo | fsmithred: I wanted to make it all work as automagically with apt as possible for the concept "use stretch 4.9 kernel but beowulf everything else" |
| 19:53.06 | nemo | and pin seemed the perfect way to do it |
| 19:53.58 | fsmithred | I think you're fighting with the metapackage |
| 19:54.28 | fsmithred | does apt try to remove the 4.9 kernel? |
| 19:54.43 | nemo | fsmithred: I doubt it's the package itself - I think my pin is bad |
| 19:54.53 | nemo | fsmithred: because I haven't even tried apt update/install - just apt-cache policy |
| 19:54.59 | nemo | which keeps selecting the wrong thing |
| 19:55.57 | fsmithred | maybe 1001 |
| 19:56.09 | fsmithred | that's what you'd use to force a downgrade |
| 19:56.22 | nemo | fsmithred: hm. 'k... although all the values in the list are 100 and 500 right now |
| 19:56.48 | fsmithred | and you do have an ascii line in sources.list, right? |
| 19:57.23 | nemo | yes |
| 19:57.37 | nemo | fsmithred: https://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt apt-cache output |
| 19:57.59 | nemo | also added my sources.list entries |
| 19:59.22 | nemo | I ran apt-cache gencaches in case that's necessary, after each pin change I was trying |
| 20:00.05 | fsmithred | I don't know why it's not working. |
| 20:00.13 | fsmithred | Pinning can be tricky sometimes. |
| 20:00.40 | nemo | hm |
| 20:00.51 | fsmithred | if you install the kernel by name, it won't be automatically removed |
| 20:01.05 | nemo | fsmithred: yeah, I just wanted to automatically pick up stretch security fixes |
| 20:01.11 | fsmithred | then you can select it at boot, or you can set grub to boot that one by default |
| 20:01.12 | nemo | er ascii ð |
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| 20:02.49 | fsmithred | should be n=ascii |
| 20:02.53 | fsmithred | try 1001 |
| 20:03.12 | fsmithred | a=ascii-backports if you want that |
| 20:03.23 | nemo | tried n=ascii too I thought. but lemme try again. maybe forgot gencaches that time |
| 20:03.46 | nemo | and yeah, I have the 1001 now |
| 20:03.55 | nemo | WOOT |
| 20:03.56 | nemo | n= |
| 20:03.59 | nemo | that seems to be doing it |
| 20:04.02 | nemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.25 | nemo | nice. now I have to fix headers too |
| 20:04.36 | nemo | hm.. actually I probably still have those |
| 20:05.19 | fsmithred | :) |
| 20:05.20 | fsmithred | afk |
| 20:05.25 | nemo | thanks |
| 20:05.47 | nemo | made a linux-headers-amd64 too |
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| 21:10.17 | kiwi_8 | Hi, I got trouble shot acpi things, but need to connect with the compunter, by protocoll ip wlan, from start up for testing purposes at a test stand driven with one pc as testpc. But the result Is after an howr googling that there is no such command line to be found. And I neither know one, can you help me with that? Is not there a way for a |
| 21:10.17 | kiwi_8 | "devuan scripted android hotspot connnecting? If you knew one, thanks in advancefor a tip or pointer. |
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| 21:31.52 | fsmithred | kiwi_8, if that's the same thing as tethering, you need to use network-manager instead of wicd |
| 21:35.57 | nemo | kiwi_8: not too certain about what 'sactly you are doing there, but if it is setting up a wireless hotspot, I did run into a guide I used successfully on my devuan laptop |
| 21:36.30 | nemo | using dnsmasq and hostapd |
| 21:36.40 | nemo | wasn't point and click unfortunately |
| 21:37.04 | nemo | does have advantage of running w/o gui |
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| 22:08.19 | gnarface | also, hostapd needs driver-level support which they don't quite all have |
| 22:18.38 | kiwi_8 | fsmithred: I need to do it by start up without user interaction. I reckon the GUI tools wont do. |
| 22:20.20 | kiwi_8 | bte way the connection is fine with Gui wicz , right now. |
| 22:25.52 | kiwi_8 | is to study wpasupplicant the right way? |
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| 22:35.54 | nemo | kiwi_8: not sure anyone here is too clear on what you're trying to do yet |
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