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| 00:06.41 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, this is the top hit, but it looks different from what I'm using. I think I'm using an older version of this. You just need the one python script. https://github.com/pixelb/ps_mem |
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| 00:58.52 | avbox | @fsmithred Looks like elogind does run pulseaudio with root, nut user rights, so sound does not work. Any ideas? |
| 01:01.41 | fsmithred | apt remove pulseaudio? |
| 01:04.20 | fsmithred | avbox, did you edit /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf? |
| 01:04.58 | avbox | fsmithred: I just killed Xorg, then restarted it, now sound is there (/run/user/1000). About removing pulseaudio, sound control panel in Mate does need it if I remember correct. |
| 01:05.23 | fsmithred | ok, make sure autospawn isn't disabled |
| 01:06.05 | avbox | @fsmithred I tried this, yes, autospan is not disabled. |
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| 01:10.56 | avbox | @fsmithred: Any ides how to force elogind to use normal user (1000)? |
| 01:11.54 | fsmithred | no. pulseaudio is run as user here |
| 01:12.25 | fsmithred | what display manager are you using? |
| 01:13.38 | avbox | @fsmithred Mate 1.22 |
| 01:13.46 | fsmithred | lightdm? |
| 01:13.55 | mason | avbox: I missed earlier conversation. Are you haveing an issue with PulseAudio? |
| 01:14.40 | avbox | mason, yes since switching from libsystemd (due to installation of falkon web browser) to elogind, sound does not work any more. |
| 01:15.08 | mason | avbox: Did you tweak PulseAudio's systemd-sensitive config? I'll find it, forgetting. |
| 01:16.13 | mason | avbox: /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf |
| 01:17.00 | avbox | fsmithred, no not lightdm, startx is started directly from user (no login) or with login (then it is slim) |
| 01:17.09 | mason | avbox: Another thing to poke is group "audio" membership. |
| 01:17.22 | mason | Between the two, you should have sound. |
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| 01:18.58 | avbox | mason: normal user is in audio, any more needed? |
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| 01:19.15 | mason | avbox: That should do it. Did you check the autospawn setting? |
| 01:19.27 | fsmithred | he did |
| 01:19.50 | avbox | Yes, auotspawn is 00-disable-autospawn.conf => autospawn=no |
| 01:19.53 | mason | kk |
| 01:20.10 | fsmithred | the problem exists whether you start with startx or slim? |
| 01:20.11 | mason | after setting group membership, you'll want to log that user out and back in to pick up the new group |
| 01:28.48 | chillfan | yeah you want a full log out too, don't just quit the wm, make sure you log back in again |
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| 01:29.50 | chillfan | the amount of times I've forgotten that after quitting the wm.. then wondered why my sound is broke |
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| 01:44.16 | avbox | @fsmithred No difference between slim or starting directly with startx |
| 01:51.10 | avbox | @fsmithred: Sorry, correction with slim, it works (only channel [Speaker was not set] was wrong). So I have to look there. I need to go to sleep. Thank you for your help. |
| 01:51.31 | fsmithred | good luck |
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| 10:00.23 | hightower3 | Centurion_Dan, hey, were you working on ppc64el? Any recent news/state? |
| 10:14.04 | GyrosGeier | would also be interested |
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| 11:36.01 | i686installer | Hi, I want to install devuan on an eeepc with i686. Which iso do choose? This one: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso, Thanks in advance |
| 11:39.50 | gnarface | i686installer: no the one that has i386 in the name |
| 11:40.19 | gnarface | i686installer: (it is actually i686) |
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| 11:50.02 | i686installer | thanks |
| 11:52.27 | gnarface | i686installer: you're welcome. good luck, let me know if you need any help. |
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| 12:56.50 | GyrosGeier | does the eeepc have cmov? |
| 12:59.44 | rrq | GyrosGeier: my "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270" has cmov |
| 13:04.53 | nemo | https://devuan.org/os/keyring/ devuan does not seem to be using this key? |
| 13:04.58 | nemo | where would I find the repo keys? |
| 13:06.01 | nemo | Err:1 http://deb.devuan.org//merged beowulf InRelease The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB23C00C61FC752C |
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| 13:11.10 | nemo | specing: oh. a hedgewars question. oh well. too late |
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| 13:16.58 | nemo | hm. maybe I should just try devuan-baseconf |
| 13:17.05 | nemo | presumably it still works |
| 13:19.23 | nemo | now where to get it.. |
| 13:20.29 | nemo | ah good it's still on the mirrors |
| 13:20.44 | nemo | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-baseconf/devuan-baseconf_0.6.4%2Bdevuan3.1_all.deb I guess |
| 13:21.13 | nemo | dammit. pubkeys still wrong |
| 13:21.21 | nemo | I thought that one added them. guess they changed |
| 13:23.25 | onefang | merged/pool/DEVUAN/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb Is that what you are looking for? |
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| 13:25.50 | nemo | ah. probably |
| 13:26.30 | nemo | site is out of date I 'spose |
| 13:26.56 | nemo | I wonder if the devuan-baseconf package has any purpose at all or if I should just remove it for tidiness |
| 13:28.00 | nemo | thanks |
| 13:31.32 | nemo | hm. well this is worrying |
| 13:31.51 | nemo | fiddling with seeing if I can switch a VPS from debian 10 to beowulf |
| 13:32.06 | nemo | apt dist-upgrade prompts to remove both installed kernels ⺠|
| 13:32.26 | nemo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.43 | nemo | I'm preeeeetty sure that's not a good idea ð |
| 13:44.02 | nemo | hm... everything seems... fine now? |
| 13:47.09 | nemo | no suspicious autoremoves, init system seems fine after reboot... |
| 13:47.21 | nemo | whee. I've got something I'm familiar with. huzzah |
| 13:53.15 | nemo | https://web.archive.org/web/20190411224626/http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation this was helpful |
| 13:53.20 | nemo | shame it is dead |
| 14:02.33 | fsmithred | nemo, you can remove devuan-baseconf. It serves no purpose. |
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| 14:14.44 | xrogaan | it doesn't? |
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| 14:15.44 | nemo | fsmithred: yeah, didn't seem to supply keys, it did provide a pin to prevent systemd, but I guess that's useless these days? |
| 14:16.08 | fsmithred | yeah, you don't need the pin. |
| 14:16.38 | fsmithred | and you don't need to exclude Suggests because they don't get automatically installed |
| 14:17.18 | fsmithred | and the extra list that shows the supposed developer repos is misleading |
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| 14:37.06 | Evil_Bob | hi, could anyone explain to me how devuan tracks upstream packages? in particular beowolf/testing in relation to debian? thanks |
| 14:38.51 | fsmithred | beowulf pulls from buster. |
| 14:39.02 | chillfan | Aside from things we have that debian hasn't we pull them in from Debian and make them work in Devuan |
| 14:39.10 | chillfan | hasn't got* |
| 14:39.58 | chillfan | meaning they shouldn't rely on systemd usually, so are forked to remove it |
| 14:41.11 | fsmithred | using words like testing or stable can be confusing because we're not on the same schedule as debian |
| 14:41.32 | fsmithred | buster is stable, beowulf has same versions of software but is still in testing |
| 14:41.46 | fsmithred | actually has the same packages except for a few |
| 14:42.05 | Evil_Bob | ok that makes sense now, thank you |
| 14:42.30 | fsmithred | if you use "testing" or "stable" in sources.list, you will surely screw up the system. |
| 14:42.56 | fsmithred | we just use the codenames |
| 14:43.00 | Evil_Bob | yeah, im using "beowulf" and read the devuan pages |
| 14:43.07 | fsmithred | cool |
| 14:43.54 | chillfan | yeah release in beowulf are like "hard releases" rather than symlinking. But anyway these days Debian do not recommend using "stable" or "testing" either since you will upgrade to a new release automatically at the end of a cycle |
| 14:44.04 | chillfan | s/beowulf/devuan |
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| 14:48.11 | mason | fsmithred: Well. 'testing' and 'stable' mean Devuan testing and stable. They work. But unless you want to always stay on the local definition of testing, codenames provide more control. |
| 14:54.34 | nemo | fsmithred: oh. hm. just how extensive is the fork these days? is it a significant number of packages to maintain? |
| 14:54.43 | fsmithred | mason, if you use testing or stable in sources.list you will pull newer packages from debian than from devuan |
| 14:54.46 | fsmithred | right now |
| 14:55.07 | fsmithred | once beowulf is stable, they'll be the same again |
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| 14:55.52 | fsmithred | I think I saw a number around 300 for packages we fork. I think half of them are task-language packs |
| 14:56.50 | Evil_Bob | im trying to get video to work (AMD RX480, amdgpu driver), but it has https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu_18.1.99+git20190207-1.html |
| 14:57.28 | mason | fsmithred: I thought Amprolla was doing the right thing with keywords... I'll double-check. Odd. |
| 14:57.32 | James1138 | Anyway to purge language packs after install? |
| 14:58.00 | fsmithred | James1138, remove the locales package |
| 14:58.32 | fsmithred | you could also run bleachbit to get rid of language files |
| 15:00.06 | James1138 | Thanks fsmithred. I give that a try. I looked and thought "I doubt I will need Japanese, Chinese, French...etc" |
| 15:00.44 | chillfan | I think Debian used to have a package for removing locales, not sure what happened to it |
| 15:00.59 | fsmithred | oh yeah - localepurge |
| 15:01.21 | chillfan | yeah that one, they might have removed it since in later releases |
| 15:01.26 | fsmithred | it still exists |
| 15:01.37 | fsmithred | in all suites |
| 15:01.39 | chillfan | ah that's handy |
| 15:02.34 | chillfan | anyway if you try that (apt install localepurge) it should remove all locales except those you're using |
| 15:02.38 | fsmithred | I should remember that one - I got in trouble once for running that on refracta before a release (to make the iso smaller) |
| 15:02.46 | fsmithred | non-english users were not happy |
| 15:03.27 | mason | fsmithred: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3/blob/master/lib/config.def.py |
| 15:03.41 | mason | If you ask for 'stable' you get 'ascii'. If you ask for 'testing' you get 'beowulf'. |
| 15:03.43 | chillfan | haha yeah I can imagine, I'm sure they simmered down when they realised it was accidental |
| 15:05.10 | chillfan | how long has refracta been around now? I've never used it but I seem to remember it being around for a while |
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| 15:06.34 | fsmithred | mason, yeah it looks like that, but I know people have screwed up their systems. |
| 15:07.34 | fsmithred | chillfan, first releases were lenny, and I took over with squeeze. |
| 15:08.20 | chillfan | a lot of history there |
| 15:11.25 | James1138 | Wow THANKS chillfan!! |
| 15:12.07 | chillfan | you're welcome. So localepurge worked out ok? |
| 15:12.22 | James1138 | Yes it did. |
| 15:12.26 | chillfan | I need to make a note of it so I don't forget then |
| 15:12.49 | James1138 | Ran it from root terminal and worked without a hitch. |
| 15:14.22 | chillfan | it's probably the "cleanest" way to do it |
| 15:14.44 | chillfan | but you can check if you still have any lang packs and remove them if you do |
| 15:21.53 | James1138 | I found that I cannot delete locales because it would also remove "Google Earth". |
| 15:22.55 | chillfan | If removing locales will remove google earth, I may have to remove mine.. google won't be pleased but that's all to the better |
| 15:23.06 | fsmithred | yeah, that wasn't a very good suggestion |
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| 15:29.29 | GyrosGeier | chillfan, you can reduce the number of locales that are available |
| 15:30.02 | GyrosGeier | but generally a dependency on locales is a bit wrong |
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| 15:30.38 | chillfan | yeah, I never install them really.. but sometimes I get garbage output so, probably should install the ones I need |
| 15:31.53 | GyrosGeier | I usually have the locales for the union of all languages that the users on a system speak |
| 15:32.40 | chillfan | ah, when I install for others I just let the installer do what it wants |
| 15:33.14 | GyrosGeier | if it's just for me, then I at least have de_DE.UTF-8, en_US.UTF-8 and ja_JP.UTF-8 |
| 15:33.43 | GyrosGeier | I believe the C.UTF-8 locale is always built |
| 15:33.59 | GyrosGeier | you definitely want that one to work |
| 15:34.16 | chillfan | yeah though you can swap it for an iso locale |
| 15:34.38 | chillfan | iso-8859-1 I think, but off the top of my head so could be wrong |
| 15:36.39 | GyrosGeier | even my Amiga is on ISO 8859-15 these days |
| 15:36.59 | chillfan | What are you running on the Amiga? |
| 15:37.03 | GyrosGeier | AmigaOS |
| 15:37.21 | GyrosGeier | might do an m68k port later |
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| 15:37.35 | chillfan | Ah, do they still have releases? |
| 15:37.41 | GyrosGeier | but only if I'm very bored and find a quieter fan |
| 15:37.48 | GyrosGeier | it's complicated |
| 15:38.06 | GyrosGeier | basically, bankrupt companies buying the rights to the name from other bankrupt companies |
| 15:38.41 | chillfan | that would explain some things |
| 15:39.23 | GyrosGeier | yes |
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| 16:46.53 | golinux | hightower3: Looks promising for you: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200203.210014.fa9cd9eb.en.html |
| 16:47.24 | golinux | Dan said he was going to email you but guess he forgot to do so. |
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| 16:48.44 | hightower3 | apart from the inconvenience of posting private mails to mailing lists... yes, looks promising :) |
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| 19:25.25 | nemo | fsmithred: hm. 300 is definitely way more than I thought :/ I do hope the changes aren't huge |
| 19:25.38 | nemo | don't want you guys to get overwhelmed |
| 19:26.37 | fsmithred | as I said, most of those get done with the task-*-desktop packages. It's just a matter of getting the dependencies right. |
| 19:27.06 | fsmithred | we hope we don't get overwhelmed, too |
| 19:30.23 | nemo | yeah, don't know enough about debian to totally understand first or 2nd time you explained, but sounds like it's semi-automated trivial changes usually |
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| 20:35.18 | flrn | Hello, |
| 20:36.24 | flrn | I might have triggered a configuration bug (ascii netinstall to beowulf installation) with connman |
| 20:37.00 | xrogaan | ? |
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| 20:38.31 | flrn | when eth0 is configured in /etc/network/interfaces and not blacklisted in /etc/connman/main.conf, with a mounted cifs share, the shutdoen stalls for 3 minutes |
| 20:40.18 | flrn | eth0 is already down by connman, cifs can't unmount |
| 20:40.56 | flrn | I am /quite/ shure, that I didn't edit /etc/network/interfaces manually. |
| 20:47.18 | xrogaan | oh, I don't know about connman at all. |
| 20:47.35 | xrogaan | my config is set in the files, no need for tools. |
| 20:49.59 | flrn | yes, that's how I keep it with desktop configurations. more for the record resp. to prepare a bug report |
| 20:51.53 | flrn | hoping for confirmation, so I won't have to reproduce it |
| 20:51.57 | flrn | :-) |
| 20:53.14 | flrn | I mean confirmation, that in a default LXqt installation the installations default interface is not blacklisted in connman's conf |
| 20:54.02 | flrn | resp. that the connman config coexists with the /etc/network/interfaces entry |
| 20:55.37 | flrn | from the shutdown log: |
| 20:55.58 | flrn | [ OK ] Stopping Connection Manager:. |
| 20:56.07 | flrn | [ OK ] ... |
| 20:56.17 | flrn | [info] Hardware Clock upated to... |
| 20:56.23 | flrn | 3 minutes break |
| 20:56.32 | flrn | [ timestamp ] CIFS VFS: Server donkey.lan has not respondet in 180 seconds. Reconnecting... |
| 20:56.37 | chillfan | hm what is connman? I seem to have forgotten |
| 20:56.46 | flrn | [....] Deconfiguring network interfaces...Removed stale PID file |
| 20:57.15 | flrn | the default connection manager coming with the LXqt desktop |
| 20:57.29 | flrn | not sure if it was present in ascii |
| 20:57.35 | chillfan | have you checked https://bugs.devuan.org? |
| 20:57.35 | flrn | in beowulf it is |
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| 20:58.13 | flrn | no, but I should have stumbled on it when troubleshooting |
| 20:58.21 | flrn | ? |
| 20:59.12 | flrn | yes, before I caught the shutdown log |
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| 21:07.48 | flrn | no related connman bugs in bugs.debian.org |
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| 21:14.15 | James1138 | flrn: have you considered a updated version of connman? https://pkgs.org/download/connman |
| 21:16.14 | flrn | I don't use connman, just have it by the default LXqt installation. |
| 21:18.13 | flrn | And will keep it (disabled, with eth0 blacklisted in its config) for occasional use with VPN, WiFi or testing ofono |
| 21:19.08 | tom-mediapc | Is there a gtk2 version of apt I can install? |
| 21:19.23 | tom-mediapc | or i mean synaptic |
| 21:25.28 | chillfan | ah you mean it's changed to gtk3? |
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| 21:34.19 | golinux | Synaptic has been infected with gtk3 since ascii. |
| 21:35.47 | chillfan | ah, well I always used to find gtk2 was resource heavy until hardware made big improvements.. now we need to swap it for gtk3 so we can feel the burn of bad performance again |
| 21:37.45 | fsmithred | flrn, that's weird that /etc/network/interfaces has eth0 listed in lxqt. I'm looking at it now. |
| 21:40.20 | chillfan | gtk2 and gtk3 are both ugly. qt is not but you get the kitchen sink with it, any package that wants qt wants about 200 qt deps, instead of being sensible about it |
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| 21:41.59 | chillfan | well, with gtk2 you can improve its looks but yeah |
| 21:43.53 | fsmithred | and eth0 is not blacklisted in /etc/connman/main.conf. Nothing is blacklisted. Just commented examples. |
| 21:57.55 | fsmithred | I can't test with cifs, but mounted nfs does not delay shutdown (unless the delay is getting lost in the delay caused by encrypted root). But I do see that the network is unreachable before it tries to unmount root. |
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