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| 02:17.32 | mason | golinux: I think we've got a box that matches that description here. No Chromium but that's easy to rectify. |
| 02:17.55 | mason | I might not be able to get to testing until the morning, but if no one else steps up, send me some details of what you want tested. |
| 02:26.34 | fsmithred | mason, if you have chromium in beowulf, go to pkginfo.devuan.org and highlight some text. Note the color of the highlight. Tell us if it matches the cinnabar theme or if it's blue. Or anything else it might be. |
| 02:26.51 | mason | fsmithred: Ah, I can do that now. Installing. |
| 02:27.00 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 02:27.21 | mason | My daughter's workstation uses Cinnabar I believe. It's reddish XFCE anyway. |
| 02:28.05 | fsmithred | it has to be the cinnabar theme |
| 02:28.24 | fsmithred | make sure it's selected in Appearance and Window Manager in the settings manager |
| 02:28.35 | fsmithred | two places |
| 02:28.40 | mason | kk, will do - I see cinnabar packages installed |
| 02:28.42 | mason | will veirfy |
| 02:29.17 | fsmithred | if it's not, make sure you remember what it's set to or your daughter will get mad at you. |
| 02:30.03 | fsmithred | I'm picturing something like my little pony theme |
| 02:31.12 | mason | Um, cute little animals. But selecting Cinnabar didn't change her background, so that's fine. |
| 02:31.31 | mason | pkginfo.devuan.org, went to the screen package, highlighted text has a blue background |
| 02:34.49 | golinux | mason go to settings > appearance and what do you see under theme? |
| 02:37.35 | mason | golinux: Good catch. I had to reset it, and now I see something different but not quite right. It's quite a bit more brown than it ought to be. |
| 02:38.13 | golinux | I meant the settings in chromium |
| 02:38.41 | mason | Oh, is there a separate one? Looking. |
| 02:39.05 | golinux | Choice is GTK+ or Classic |
| 02:39.39 | mason | Yeah, it's set to GTK+, and evidently starts that way since this was a fresh install of Chromium. |
| 02:39.47 | fsmithred | same here |
| 02:39.55 | mason | Sorry for the lag - the machine's at another desk. |
| 02:40.05 | fsmithred | and for me, the only other choice is to go to the google store |
| 02:40.09 | fsmithred | no shit |
| 02:40.10 | mason | same |
| 02:40.24 | golinux | Is GTK+ iounder "theme" or in the RH box |
| 02:40.26 | fsmithred | if I click on the checkbox, it sends me to a new tab |
| 02:40.27 | golinux | ? |
| 02:40.39 | fsmithred | ok, have to click on the words |
| 02:40.46 | fsmithred | the checkbox is just bait |
| 02:40.51 | mason | fsmithred: same; golinux: under theme |
| 02:40.57 | yeti | the checkbox is for installing more themes |
| 02:41.02 | golinux | Yup. |
| 02:41.04 | fsmithred | ah |
| 02:41.25 | fsmithred | and they say pictures are so much better than words |
| 02:41.25 | yeti | prefers a shell and --help |
| 02:41.39 | golinux | It needs to say Use Classic in the toggle box which means the GTK+ is being nused |
| 02:41.56 | golinux | Sorry for the typos. |
| 02:42.15 | fsmithred | yeah, that's the default setting |
| 02:42.30 | fsmithred | no |
| 02:42.33 | golinux | That works OK here. |
| 02:42.36 | fsmithred | that's the default non-setting |
| 02:42.37 | yeti | GTK+ was default after installing the both here |
| 02:42.52 | yeti | (chromium on 32 and 64 bit) |
| 02:43.02 | mason | golinux: Yep, that's what I've got here. The colour is a bit too brown to look right to my eye. |
| 02:43.12 | yeti | dark red wine |
| 02:43.14 | fsmithred | yes, but as you said, it's hard to interpret with only two themes |
| 02:43.16 | yeti | I like it |
| 02:43.32 | golinux | Yes. I always read that as the one in the box indicating what was chosen but it is the other way around. |
| 02:43.54 | yeti | its clear when you have 3 or more themes |
| 02:44.32 | golinux | Yeti could you possibly post a screenshot of multiple themes? |
| 02:44.34 | fsmithred | do I have to do something to apply the new theme? |
| 02:44.43 | yeti | http://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp4gl/20200130-004303-GMT__64bit_VM_just_black_active.png |
| 02:44.54 | mason | Well. One has an action verb, "use classic" - says to me 1) that that means classic isn't currently in use, and 2) the Chromium programmers think like I do, which may not be good |
| 02:44.55 | golinux | It need GTK+ evidently which is the default. |
| 02:45.16 | fsmithred | not here |
| 02:45.23 | golinux | Am it totally fooled me. |
| 02:45.24 | fsmithred | how do I get the blue highlight? |
| 02:45.35 | fsmithred | do I need to restart chromium? |
| 02:45.36 | golinux | Toggle the RH bok |
| 02:45.41 | golinux | Yes. |
| 02:45.47 | fsmithred | yeah, that changes the theme setting |
| 02:45.57 | golinux | Now it will be blue |
| 02:46.04 | fsmithred | no it won't |
| 02:46.06 | fsmithred | doesn't |
| 02:46.16 | yeti | restart chromium |
| 02:46.23 | yeti | after theme change? |
| 02:46.51 | yeti | modern GUIs make life easier... *cough²* |
| 02:47.35 | golinux | Since the default is GTK+ the theme should work properly on a new install. It might not is a user has fiddled with those settings. |
| 02:47.35 | fsmithred | ok, now I can get the blue - after restart |
| 02:47.46 | mason | golinux: Is the brown colour desired/correct? |
| 02:48.19 | fsmithred | oh, I didn't have to restart to get rid of the blue |
| 02:48.26 | fsmithred | mason, yes |
| 02:48.30 | mason | ah, kk |
| 02:48.35 | golinux | Lhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14307#p14307 |
| 02:48.58 | golinux | Oops https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14307#p14307 |
| 02:50.11 | mrpfilser | it's annoying to work on collab projects where people insist on having their opinion FOLLOWED in matters where they are the least expert in the group |
| 02:50.11 | golinux | It's the solid color of the text editor.color |
| 02:50.42 | mrpfilser | this is where having logs is useful |
| 02:50.43 | xrogaan | Who manage the mailing list? |
| 02:50.56 | xrogaan | Been a while since I sent a message, still hasn't arrived. |
| 02:52.31 | golinux | mason: Brown does not indicate a color accurately. #510505 does |
| 02:52.39 | xrogaan | Following the ML, I read there was some spamfilter false hit that sometimes happen. |
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| 02:53.01 | mason | golinux: Not reddish enough, then. |
| 02:53.28 | mason | I didn't look at the page source to see what it was actually using. |
| 02:53.28 | golinux | xrogaan: The ML is moderated. Let me go unmoderate you |
| 02:54.02 | fsmithred | mason, you're arguing with someone who can distinguish between 250,000 colors |
| 02:54.03 | golinux | mason: It took me weeks to find the right color, on my monitor at least. |
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| 02:54.40 | golinux | Yes, I can see a difference in one increment of the hex code |
| 02:55.09 | mason | That's fine. It's not the choice I'd have made, but that's the glory of this whole free software thing. :) |
| 02:56.10 | mason | Put another way, golinux, if you care about it more and you're putting in the work, you get to pick the colour. :) |
| 02:57.02 | golinux | It looks quite red to me. |
| 02:57.42 | golinux | I can only vouch for my own perception on this nice Dell monitor |
| 02:59.45 | yeti | I see colours differently with each eye... at one time in spring grass still is brown when snow fades away and with the other eye already green |
| 03:00.02 | yeti | I'll never comment con colours... I promise! |
| 03:00.08 | fsmithred | yeti, I've noticed the same thing |
| 03:00.12 | fsmithred | but with red |
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| 03:00.42 | yeti | ok... I feel less alone then... |
| 03:00.44 | yeti | :-D |
| 03:01.09 | mason | I see different things in each eye in terms of shape, but the colours are usually close enough. |
| 03:01.21 | fsmithred | when I look at the cinnabar colors, I see varying degrees of dried blood |
| 03:01.27 | mason | fsmithred: That. |
| 03:01.43 | onefang | When I look at dark purpy, I see no purple. |
| 03:01.57 | fsmithred | it can look gray on some screens |
| 03:02.50 | onefang | Considering the Frankenstein bolts on my main monitor, I'm not expecting great colour fidelity. lol |
| 03:03.03 | fsmithred | golinux stuck herself with a pin and watched the blood dry to get the colors right |
| 03:03.07 | fsmithred | ^^^ fake news |
| 03:03.15 | onefang | Aww, and lol. |
| 03:04.00 | xrogaan | golinux: will you know who I am though? :P |
| 03:04.13 | mason | I can see the appeal of it. I just tend to think of a text-background highlight colour as typically being lighter than the decorations, and this one's darker than the decorations. |
| 03:04.36 | golinux | mason: It a bloody dark theme! |
| 03:04.40 | mason | hehe |
| 03:04.51 | golinux | xrogaan: pm |
| 03:05.49 | golinux | I need some info from you . . . maybe. Let me check the DB |
| 03:07.17 | xrogaan | su doesn't make the shell a 'login shell' by default, I might have changed something but I can't remember what. Any idea as to where I should look? |
| 03:07.39 | fsmithred | xrogaan, are you running beowulf? |
| 03:07.49 | xrogaan | yes |
| 03:07.58 | fsmithred | the behavior of su has changed |
| 03:08.01 | fsmithred | use su - |
| 03:08.03 | xrogaan | damn them all! |
| 03:08.06 | fsmithred | to get root's path |
| 03:08.19 | xrogaan | why wouldn't I want root's path? Geez. |
| 03:08.20 | fsmithred | but then you also get switched to root's home |
| 03:08.40 | fsmithred | I have no idea |
| 03:09.02 | gnarface | it's about keeping your current user environment so as not to confuse your programs, but still getting root permission |
| 03:09.04 | fsmithred | other option is to use full path for any command in */sbin |
| 03:09.37 | fsmithred | yeah, I like to keep the user environment when I switch to root |
| 03:09.43 | gnarface | not just path, the whole environment |
| 03:09.45 | golinux | still doesn't understand this new root access thing. |
| 03:09.54 | fsmithred | chances are really high that I want to do something in the current directory |
| 03:10.01 | golinux | really doesn't like change |
| 03:10.06 | gnarface | wait, what changed? ... i thought you always had to add "-" to get root's environment? |
| 03:10.31 | golinux | Nope. Not till beowulf |
| 03:10.33 | gnarface | has been doing "su -" the whole time... |
| 03:10.34 | fsmithred | su moved from shadow package to util linux |
| 03:10.37 | fsmithred | oh |
| 03:11.03 | fsmithred | well, just 'su' will keep you in the current directory and give you root privs but not root's path |
| 03:11.17 | gnarface | right |
| 03:11.18 | fsmithred | su - has not changed |
| 03:11.40 | fsmithred | but in beowulf you no longer keep the user's ability to start graphical programs |
| 03:11.49 | gnarface | oh |
| 03:11.52 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 03:12.01 | gnarface | is that actually due to a change in su? or is it a change to Xorg? |
| 03:12.24 | fsmithred | I believe it's a change in su |
| 03:12.30 | gnarface | hmmm, interesting... |
| 03:12.35 | fsmithred | there's a section about it in buster release notes |
| 03:12.58 | onefang | Root is new? |
| 03:12.58 | fsmithred | I like to start gparted or synaptic from a root terminal |
| 03:13.07 | fsmithred | lol, what? |
| 03:13.22 | onefang | [13:09:45] *golinux still doesn't understand this new root access thing. |
| 03:13.24 | fsmithred | only for those coming from 'buntu |
| 03:14.14 | yeti | uses sudo for decades now... |
| 03:14.14 | onefang | sudo passwd |
| 03:14.23 | onefang | Then even Ubuntu can have root. B-) |
| 03:14.37 | fsmithred | you'll get banned from the ubuntu forum for posting that |
| 03:14.48 | fsmithred | not kidding |
| 03:14.54 | yeti | #ban_me_too |
| 03:14.55 | onefang | Lucky this isn't an Ubuntu forum. |
| 03:16.08 | onefang | Back when I used to use Ubuntu, I'd tend to do that first thing. |
| 03:16.16 | fsmithred | me too |
| 03:16.48 | onefang | That and apt install mc, which I try to do on any box I use. |
| 03:16.48 | yeti | I see no reason to want ubuntu |
| 03:17.38 | mason | Eh? They document that in a ton of places in the Ubuntu world. They wouldn't ban folks for that, would they? |
| 03:17.56 | fsmithred | they cracked down on root info a few years ago |
| 03:18.10 | fsmithred | maybe they lightened up since then. I don't know. |
| 03:18.18 | mason | That's weird. |
| 03:18.25 | fsmithred | yup. |
| 03:18.35 | mason | Then again, they do some weird things, so, eh. Happy I'm here. |
| 03:18.57 | onefang | I have some test Mint installs, don't think I have any more Ubuntu anywhere. |
| 03:20.17 | golinux | <fsmithred> they cracked down on root info a few years ago |
| 03:20.25 | golinux | More than a few years ago. |
| 03:20.54 | fsmithred | they fly by |
| 03:21.02 | golinux | :D |
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