| 00:00.11 | mason | This would go so much more smoothly if I didn't typo config options. |
| 00:01.33 | mason | Anyway, I've got Debian net-install pxe booting, so it ought to be a matter of replacing the relevant bits with Devuan installer bits and life will be grand. |
| 00:08.52 | mason | Oddly, I can get hardware to netboot, but I'm struggling to get virtual machines to do it. |
| 00:09.01 | mason | debugging that now, as I need both cases to work |
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| 00:59.12 | mason | golinux: Alright, this is progress. I can boot VMs and hardware, and it looks like it won't take much work to adapt the Devuan net installer ISO content for PXE booting. |
| 00:59.40 | mason | Basically I just need to change relative paths. |
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| 01:31.10 | golinux | mason: That's really good news!! |
| 01:31.29 | mason | golinux: I'm writing up initial notes/instructions now, and you'll see it on DNG presently. |
| 01:33.33 | golinux | Good. I'm sure you saw this post: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20200109.223409.d0622c25.en.html |
| 01:34.03 | mason | I did, yes, and only a couple days after I was thinking it's something I wanted. |
| 01:34.55 | golinux | I figured |
| 01:37.47 | mason | I'm going to go through the steps as I write them to verify, so it'll maybe be 20 minutes. |
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| 01:45.35 | waynedpj | is there a log for this channel? |
| 01:46.01 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 01:46.21 | fsmithred | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/ |
| 01:46.45 | fsmithred | and I just posted on your thread again |
| 01:47.04 | fsmithred | use --type luks1 in the format command |
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| 01:55.45 | waynedpj | fsmithred: i had been checking for that after reading about GRUB not supporting the new default in cryptsetup LUKS2. maybe the cryptsetup installed was old enough to still use LUKS1 but i never got stuck at the GRUB prompt, always after. |
| 01:56.03 | waynedpj | BTW do i need to file a big about the missing tools in the initramfs? |
| 01:56.59 | fsmithred | this is the first time I have seen cryptsetup missing in initramfs |
| 01:57.09 | waynedpj | big->bug |
| 01:57.14 | fsmithred | and I've done a few encrypted installs wtih beowulf |
| 01:57.32 | waynedpj | wait, is beowulf or ceres testing? |
| 01:57.38 | fsmithred | neither |
| 01:57.41 | fsmithred | it's buster |
| 01:58.04 | fsmithred | we are behind debian on releases |
| 01:58.07 | waynedpj | on Devuan? i thought the Toy names were for Debian? |
| 01:58.39 | fsmithred | yeah, "Where no toy has gone before." was an early devuan slogan |
| 01:58.53 | fsmithred | we are beowulf (minor planet names) |
| 01:58.59 | waynedpj | LOL :) |
| 01:59.10 | waynedpj | OK, so if i want to change my Devuan install to be a rolling release based on testing, i should change my sources to use ceres? |
| 01:59.19 | fsmithred | beowulf is still testing, but 95% of the packages are unchanged from debian |
| 01:59.32 | fsmithred | and beowulf pulls from buster, which is stable |
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| 02:00.05 | fsmithred | this is why we tell people to use codenames in sources.list and not "stable" or "testing" |
| 02:00.21 | waynedpj | so beowulf is testing? sorry for all the ?s, a bit confused |
| 02:01.13 | golinux | Just use release names an you won't bork your system |
| 02:01.13 | fsmithred | yes, beowulf is testing because we haven't relased it yet |
| 02:01.33 | waynedpj | oh, because the Debian page for changing to rolling testing release says to use either codename or testing https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 02:01.47 | fsmithred | for debian, that works |
| 02:02.17 | waynedpj | but eventually i would use testing, once things settle, to have an indefinite rolling release based on testing? |
| 02:02.30 | fsmithred | but if you use testing in devuan right now, you'll get a mix of packages from debian bullseye and devuan beowulf |
| 02:02.41 | fsmithred | and beowulf expects packages from buster |
| 02:02.55 | fsmithred | is compiled from tools that are in buster |
| 02:04.37 | waynedpj | OK, so no testing in the short term for Devuan, codenames only .. unfortunately from this page https://devuan.org/os/releases since ascii is now stable i assumed the ceres was testing and now my system is doing an apt upgrade .. to unstable? |
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| 02:05.23 | fsmithred | ceres is sid (unstable) |
| 02:05.26 | golinux | Not in the long term either because our release dates will never be aligned |
| 02:05.55 | waynedpj | and ceres will always be unstable, like sid for Debian? |
| 02:06.04 | golinux | ceres/sid would be the only constant. |
| 02:06.30 | golinux | But then systemd stuff might slip in. |
| 02:06.32 | fsmithred | yeah, you might be able to upgrade all the way to ceres if you mixed up your system |
| 02:07.06 | fsmithred | you're gonna reinstall anyway, right? |
| 02:07.29 | waynedpj | i am trying to get a rolling release on Devuan testing so i messed up. any chance i can change sources to be beowulf and go back to testing? |
| 02:07.33 | fsmithred | or is there actual data on this system? |
| 02:07.44 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 02:07.52 | fsmithred | I have to remember how to do it |
| 02:08.13 | fsmithred | pin beowulf to 1001 priority |
| 02:08.28 | waynedpj | no data but i was hoping to not reinstall. however if it is easier then i can just do the live installer again. |
| 02:09.07 | fsmithred | you can boot it ok? |
| 02:09.11 | waynedpj | OK thanks fsmithred i will try that to get back to beowulf. |
| 02:09.43 | fsmithred | see man apt_preferences for information on pinning |
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| 02:11.26 | waynedpj | yes, i could boot after i chrooted in and 1) apt upgraded 2) changed /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook to have CRYPTSETUP=y |
| 02:12.13 | fsmithred | I don't understand why I didn't get cryptsetup in the initramfs. |
| 02:12.28 | waynedpj | though you mentioned some other things potentially missing before e.g. /run/udev /run/cryptsetup |
| 02:12.38 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 02:12.58 | waynedpj | ditto, i thought that it would be added automagically with the encrypted partition |
| 02:13.12 | waynedpj | oh, and obviously i rebuilt the initramfs after doing all that |
| 02:13.16 | fsmithred | it's supposed to be automatic if you need it |
| 02:14.40 | fsmithred | do you know for sure that you're using luks type1? |
| 02:15.09 | waynedpj | so to be clear, if i would like a rolling Devuan release based on testing indefinitely right now i cannot do that since i have to use codenames? |
| 02:15.19 | waynedpj | yes, i checked with luksDump |
| 02:15.57 | fsmithred | it would be difficult to do a rolling devuan |
| 02:16.11 | waynedpj | in the short term or indefinitely? |
| 02:16.39 | fsmithred | rolling release in debian works because new stuff is always moving into unstable and then to testing |
| 02:16.56 | fsmithred | we're scrambling to pull our shit together |
| 02:17.13 | fsmithred | small team, so stuff happens at odd intervals |
| 02:17.31 | fsmithred | and we're alway behind (but catching up) |
| 02:17.51 | fsmithred | there are a few people who run ceres |
| 02:18.00 | waynedpj | oh i did not know there were problems with the project, sorry to hear. |
| 02:18.05 | fsmithred | I think you need to be selective about what you install |
| 02:18.32 | fsmithred | main problem is that we're tiny compared to debian in number of devs |
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| 02:19.36 | fsmithred | if you run ceres, you will be getting new stuff, but anything that depends on systemd (any of the stuff we re-package) will not be prompt |
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| 07:52.52 | ukine | o/ |
| 07:55.16 | ukine | apologies i'm just up too late.. |
| 08:00.21 | tuxd3v | mrpfilser, that could hapen if you have 2 diferent cluster types.. |
| 08:01.19 | tuxd3v | imagine situation were you have a 2x cortex a72 and a 4x cortex a53.. that could hapen... |
| 08:01.22 | tuxd3v | the solution? |
| 08:01.32 | tuxd3v | compile for cortex a53 |
| 08:01.45 | tuxd3v | or compile for the clusters.. |
| 08:02.10 | tuxd3v | tune=cortex-a72.cortexa-53 |
| 08:02.41 | tuxd3v | but later if you use this binaries in a cortex a53 only machine, I don't know if could be there some problems.. |
| 08:02.47 | tuxd3v | its a question of testing.. |
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| 17:19.11 | testest | hi all. can anyone help me enabling "some features" in the kernel |
| 17:19.30 | testest | or a tip to a guide |
| 17:19.43 | testest | eudev_3.2.9-3_amd64.deb trying to install |
| 17:20.06 | testest | on 5.4.0-2-amd64 |
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| 17:21.52 | testest | Since release 198, udev requires support for the following features in the running kernel: - inotify(2) (CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER) - signalfd(2) (CONFIG_SIGNALFD) - accept4(2) - open_by_handle_at(2) (CONFIG_FHANDLE) - timerfd_create(2) (CONFIG_TIMERFD) - epoll_create(2) (CONFIG_EPOLL) |
| 17:21.55 | testest | i get these |
| 17:22.32 | testest | help appreciated |
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| 18:08.13 | fsmithred | testest, what is the problem? Did you get an error message? (don't post a bunch of lines at once. - paste it somewhere else) |
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| 18:37.23 | fsmithred | # grep INOTIFY /boot/config-5.4.0-2-amd64 |
| 18:37.23 | fsmithred | CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y |
| 18:37.41 | fsmithred | # grep SIGNALFD /boot/config-5.4.0-2-amd64 |
| 18:37.41 | fsmithred | CONFIG_SIGNALFD=y |
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| 18:43.19 | testest | fsmithred: thanks |
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| 18:50.46 | premoboss | hello people. i need to create a video presentation with floating text from bottom to top. i look around and in fount only openshot that provide it (using blender in background) but, eve in for few lines, it take OURS to complete the rendering. some suggestion i can have here about an alternative? thanks guys. |
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| 18:51.06 | premoboss | OURS = HOURS |
| 18:54.46 | testest | kdenlive, shotcut, pitivi |
| 18:55.01 | testest | olive video editor |
| 18:55.14 | testest | the rest i would have to find old bookmarks |
| 18:55.29 | testest | cinelerra |
| 18:55.39 | testest | flowblade |
| 18:55.59 | testest | vidiot |
| 18:56.14 | testest | lives |
| 18:56.39 | testest | auteur |
| 18:56.58 | testest | not sure how many devuan has in repos |
| 18:57.20 | testest | lumiera |
| 18:58.00 | testest | there was one really professional "looking" one but i cant remember |
| 18:58.01 | premoboss | testest, devuan has in repository wuite alla of them. |
| 18:58.12 | testest | oh ncice |
| 18:58.19 | testest | nice* |
| 18:58.35 | premoboss | i giat niit "sliding" text from botton to top, no nnd proferssional. |
| 18:59.30 | premoboss | kdei tested, is raw (you have to compopsite different effect to get it. also, if you have large text box to scroll, iti s so slow to manage it when you are doinf modification to text. |
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| 19:05.14 | testest | fsmithred: sorry to bother you again, but what if all of the above mentioned variables are already marked with =y, automatically generated with "=y" |
| 19:06.06 | fsmithred | testest, I don't understand your question |
| 19:06.23 | fsmithred | anything marked with y is in the kernel |
| 19:06.39 | fsmithred | anything marked with m is a module that can be loaded |
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| 19:11.45 | testest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.54 | testest | all of the mentioned either kernel modules or variables are loaded and marked i think, that is why i am a bit perplexed, i have been checking out some webpages and somewhere it is mentioned that first one has to install a new kernel and then update the eudev package |
| 19:13.26 | testest | somewhere there is even a mention relating to these exact errors a reinstall is needed |
| 19:13.49 | testest | first time for me though |
| 19:13.50 | fsmithred | that's weird. I just installed that version of eudev about a half hour ago, and I didn't get that error |
| 19:14.02 | testest | 0_o |
| 19:14.04 | fsmithred | I installed with apt, and I also install libeudev1 at the same time |
| 19:14.05 | testest | thanks anyway |
| 19:14.38 | fsmithred | yeah, I upgraded a beowulf to ceres and eudev, libeudev1 were held back |
| 19:14.54 | fsmithred | so then I ran the upgrade again and they installed |
| 19:15.20 | fsmithred | but I'm getting errors on mkinitramfs |
| 19:18.07 | fsmithred | try installing libeudev1 at the same time as eudev |
| 19:19.56 | testest | only option i got was apt-get -f install or apt --fix-broken install, apt gave me output that libeudev is actually needed to install eudev while apt-get did not ouput the dependancy |
| 19:20.05 | testest | ill try manually |
| 19:20.11 | testest | getting a deb package somewhere |
| 19:20.18 | testest | thanks for the tip |
| 19:20.41 | fsmithred | that should be in our repo |
| 19:21.55 | fsmithred | testest, http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/ |
| 19:23.03 | testest | sweet |
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