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| 01:34.46 | tuxd3v | Vall, orange pi one, is Allwiner H3 aarch32 |
| 01:35.02 | tuxd3v | mali 400MP2 |
| 01:36.34 | tuxd3v | there are already Lima Drivers for it, but I haven't yet been successfull in having a userspace one for Lima, even tought that I already compiled fbturbo, and Lima.. |
| 01:36.43 | tuxd3v | it needs more test :) |
| 01:37.08 | tuxd3v | but you can always resort in the fbdev, has a last option. |
| 01:37.26 | tuxd3v | Anyway with 256MB Ram, that board is more suited for a server :) |
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| 09:12.59 | mrpfilser | Firefox Version: 68.4.1esr-1 broken on devuan-arm "Illegal instruction" |
| 09:13.51 | mrpfilser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.56 | mrpfilser | what do. situation crit |
| 09:15.18 | mrpfilser | (gdb) bt |
| 09:15.19 | mrpfilser | #0 0x0000007fb2c6e1f0 in () at /usr/lib/firefox-esr/libxul.so |
| 09:18.56 | mrpfilser | happen with clean/fresh ~/.mozilla/ |
| 09:21.36 | mrpfilser | regetting 110647176 Jan 8 22:40 libxul.so - why does it say jan 8 when i upgraded today |
| 09:21.56 | mrpfilser | 177487bcbcfcd2717e0a39b9d2d04412 libxul.so |
| 09:24.11 | mrpfilser | forced reinstall did not change /usr/lib/firefox-esr |
| 09:25.16 | mrpfilser | i am confused -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 207840 Jan 8 22:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
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| 09:30.21 | mrpfilser | removing firefox-esr and reinstalling confirms |
| 09:34.55 | mrpfilser | it will be good for my person to not have a browser for a while |
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| 09:54.13 | mrpfilser | i have an idea. can i make a badly behaved application go to sleep, until Xorg sends it an event, then run for 500ms? |
| 09:58.06 | mrpfilser | i'll try building firefox-esr 68.4.1esr-1 with debug symbols |
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| 10:21.48 | dabc | I guess it shows the modification time of the file *before* the package was created; it looks like that's dpkg's kitchen |
| 10:23.09 | mrpfilser | yeah i misunderstood things i guess, the file creation time is the original fiel creation time, not the time on local system |
| 10:24.08 | dabc | I'm inclined to believe it's the modification time, not the creation time |
| 10:24.24 | mrpfilser | probably |
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| 11:57.15 | cosurgi | last openvpn |
| 12:14.25 | mrpfilser | who is devuan-arm expert here |
| 12:14.27 | mrpfilser | or even user |
| 12:16.15 | mrpfilser | libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37-gtk2 lacks .pc file so pkg-config cannot find it |
| 12:17.04 | mrpfilser | ah libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev |
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| 12:45.54 | nuhop | : The repository 'http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates Release' is no longer signed. |
| 12:46.06 | nuhop | what is the fix? |
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| 12:54.58 | nuhop | hello devuan |
| 12:55.04 | nuhop | server no longer signed? |
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| 12:55.46 | nuhop | what is a working beowulf repo? |
| 12:56.24 | nuhop | asking for a friend... |
| 12:58.24 | nuhop | DocScrutinizer51: around? |
| 12:59.25 | GyrosGeier | the Release itself was never signed |
| 12:59.40 | GyrosGeier | there is either a Release.gpg next to it, or an InRelease file with an inline signature |
| 13:00.03 | GyrosGeier | so presumably the .gpg file is missing and nobody bothered making an InRelease |
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| 13:01.20 | onefang | has a look. |
| 13:02.32 | onefang | de.deb.devuan.org is a CNAME for pkgmaster.devuan.org, which all the mirrors get their files from. |
| 13:03.46 | onefang | Beowulf-updates has an InRelease, Release, and Release.gpg files. |
| 13:04.48 | onefang | A few minutes ago, when my mirror checker script checked these things, pkgmaster passed all tests, including checking the signature of Release. |
| 13:05.46 | nuhop | error disappears changing de to fr in sources list |
| 13:05.48 | nuhop | ok |
| 13:06.26 | onefang | It's still a CNAME for pkgmaster. |
| 13:06.48 | nuhop | "it's just you" then |
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| 13:06.57 | nuhop | thanks onefang |
| 13:07.40 | nuhop | anyone else getting crashing firefox after jan 8 update? |
| 13:07.50 | nuhop | on aarch64 |
| 13:08.22 | nuhop | (68.4.1esr-1) |
| 13:08.38 | nuhop | firefox |
| 13:08.39 | nuhop | Illegal instruction |
| 13:09.02 | onefang | I should sleep. G'night. |
| 13:09.09 | nuhop | cheers onefang |
| 13:18.12 | fsmithred | nuhop, just use deb.devuan.org - the country codes don't really do what you expect. |
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| 13:19.44 | nuhop | thank you fsmithred |
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| 15:21.07 | nuhop | anyone useing devuan-arm |
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| 15:39.07 | golinux | nuhop: You could try #devuan-arm channel |
| 15:48.01 | nuhop | which low-resource terminal emulator can you recc? lxterminal is ok, but uses too much cpu |
| 15:48.08 | nuhop | want 24bit color though |
| 15:50.14 | cosurgi | uses xterm |
| 15:51.00 | cosurgi | with following invocation |
| 15:51.06 | cosurgi | xterm -en UTF-8 -b 0 -bg black -fg darkgray -si -sk -geometry 80x30 -fn "-Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--20-200-75-75-C-100-ISO10646-1" -sl 80000 -j -sb -rightbar -xrm "xterm*metaSendsEscape:true" -xrm "xterm*Color3:yellow4" -xrm "xterm*Color10:green3" -xrm "xterm*vt100.translations: #override Shift <Key> Insert: insert-selection(CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER1)" -xrm |
| 15:51.12 | cosurgi | "XTerm*pointerColor:yellow" -xrm "xterm*pointerShape:xterm" -xrm "XTerm*termName:xterm-256color" |
| 15:51.42 | cosurgi | serves me well. |
| 15:52.43 | Hurgotron | just 256 colors, though. |
| 15:52.56 | nuhop | this is nice, 14 xterms using only 9MB |
| 15:53.07 | nuhop | 'only' |
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| 15:53.22 | nuhop | lxtermional is at 60MB |
| 15:54.09 | cosurgi | normally I use about 200 xterms ;) |
| 15:54.12 | nuhop | any assistance to hilighting urls in there cosurgi ? |
| 15:54.15 | nuhop | wow |
| 15:54.49 | eyalroz | My beowulf has a problem with its blue tooth. |
| 15:54.50 | cosurgi | hm. no. I think it wasn't there 3 years ago when I crafted that invocation line. I looked for this feature. |
| 15:55.41 | eyalroz | If I try to start blueman-manager, it says the blueman applet needs to be running, |
| 15:55.54 | eyalroz | which is already rather problematic IMHO |
| 15:56.22 | eyalroz | and when I try to run blueman-tray, I get "Error calling StartServiceByName for org.blueman.Applet" |
| 15:56.26 | eyalroz | and it dies. |
| 15:57.02 | nuhop | thank you cosurgi - your reward is a little terminal screensaver i wrote http://0x0.st/z6_k.pl |
| 15:57.13 | cosurgi | nuhop: thank you! :) |
| 15:58.14 | nuhop | i have an uglier C version that's faster, if you like. xterm renders this with very low cpu use, which is nice. |
| 15:58.19 | nuhop | eyalroz: sorry idk bluetooth |
| 15:58.22 | Hurgotron | nuhop: hilighting urls on click (probably multiple clikcs) should work if you can crft a regex for it. See https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/three-features-you-may-not-know-xterm-has/ |
| 15:58.56 | eyalroz | nuhop: np; perhaps someone else has experience with this stuff. |
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| 16:54.20 | nuhop | how do i install autoconf 2.13 in devuan-arm beowulf to work around a 15 year old bug in mozconfig? |
| 16:54.38 | nuhop | apt-cache show autoconf only has 2.69-11 |
| 16:55.15 | nuhop | i don't know how to find a specific deb in a repo - this appears to be in debian stretch |
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| 17:05.54 | Hurgotron | nuhop: should be there, according to https://repology.org/project/autoconf/versions |
| 17:06.22 | nuhop | what is link to .deb pls |
| 17:06.36 | nuhop | for aarch64 |
| 17:06.38 | nuhop | i cannot find it |
| 17:06.48 | yeti | apt-cache show autoconf2.13 |
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| 17:17.06 | gnarface | Hurgotron, nuhop you should be able to search pkginfo.devuan.org for package names |
| 17:18.29 | nuhop | i found https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ascii/autoconf2.13_2.13-67.html |
| 17:18.35 | nuhop | where is the .deb for aarch64? |
| 17:18.54 | gnarface | nuhop: unfortunately pkginfo only searches x86 right now, it should be there though |
| 17:19.00 | nuhop | where? |
| 17:19.07 | nuhop | want screenshot? |
| 17:19.25 | gnarface | no... |
| 17:19.36 | nuhop | i apologize for being unclear |
| 17:19.44 | gnarface | me too. i mean aarch64 packages are in the repo, i can confirm that. |
| 17:19.52 | nuhop | where is the url for the deb for aarch autoconf2.13? |
| 17:20.10 | gnarface | that i don't know off the top of my head, there are 13 mirrors it should exist on though |
| 17:20.25 | nuhop | how do i find it? |
| 17:20.36 | gnarface | do you not have a aarch64 machine booted right now, is that the issue? |
| 17:20.42 | nuhop | i do |
| 17:20.54 | nuhop | can i get it with apt? |
| 17:21.02 | gnarface | try this: apt-get update && apt-cache search ^autoconf |
| 17:21.11 | gnarface | exactly like that^ |
| 17:21.33 | nuhop | oh! ^ autoconf2.13 - automatic configure script builder (obsolete version) |
| 17:21.41 | gnarface | if you see it, you can get it with "apt-get install [package]" or you can just download it locally without installing with "apt-get download [package]" |
| 17:21.54 | gnarface | if you want the source instead it's "apt-get source [package]" |
| 17:22.06 | nuhop | it worked! thank you! |
| 17:22.17 | gnarface | you're welcome |
| 17:22.30 | gnu_srs1 | nuhop: Have you searched in snapshot.debian.org? |
| 17:22.40 | nuhop | no |
| 17:23.02 | gnarface | nuhop: i know sometimes they sneak the version into the package name to distinguish between multiple concurrent versions. it can get confusing, but apt-cache accepts regexp pattern searches, so that helps if you know a bit of simple grep-style regexp syntax |
| 17:23.07 | nuhop | firefox-esr is broken on devuan-arm atm |
| 17:23.13 | nuhop | very good |
| 17:23.31 | nuhop | maybe best is to wait for a fix |
| 17:23.45 | gnarface | ARM hardware support is in it's infancy |
| 17:23.52 | gnarface | ARM hardware itself is still in it's infancy |
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| 17:23.57 | gnarface | there are growing pains |
| 17:24.03 | nuhop | mhm |
| 17:24.38 | gnarface | i've been messing with ARM and ARM64 stuff for a couple years now. stuff is coming along, but we're nowhere near where DOS was by the mid 90's. |
| 17:25.14 | Hurgotron | amazon seems to switch to ARM wirth their cloud, though. |
| 17:25.56 | gnarface | cross-compiler breakages... unportable x86 optimizations... it's a mess across the board. but it's coming. ARM hardware is superior in runtime costs by every metric. the industry will catch up slowly, whether Intel likes it or not. |
| 17:27.19 | gnarface | it will be a slower transition than the one from i386 to amd64 because of so many foreign architectural concepts |
| 17:27.48 | gnarface | but it could change dramatically too if someone makes a ARM system with a BIOS |
| 17:27.50 | nuhop | i know a guy who managed to build palemoon for armv7 |
| 17:27.55 | nuhop | so it is possible |
| 17:33.02 | gnarface | yea as far as i can tell the cross-compilers for amd64 to arm64 are broken on jessie, ascii and beowulf, but work on ceres last i checked |
| 17:33.36 | gnarface | (gcc version 7.something or later, i think is the key) |
| 17:33.44 | nuhop | yeah last i built palemoon it needed 8GB RAM so.. |
| 17:33.48 | nuhop | this might not work |
| 17:34.05 | gnarface | oh! i got a trick for that i heard but haven't tried yet |
| 17:34.14 | gnarface | someone said use zram i think? |
| 17:34.17 | gnarface | lemme make sure that's the right name... |
| 17:34.30 | gnarface | yea |
| 17:34.50 | nuhop | zram is fun yeh |
| 17:35.45 | gnarface | several people told me they managed to effectively turn 2GB of ram on a swapless pinebook into 6GB of ram with 1GB of swap using zram and zswap trickery that was good enough to fool firefox, so that might help you for palemoon too |
| 17:36.22 | gnarface | anything that compresses well |
| 17:36.28 | gnarface | so web browsing should take a big boost from it |
| 17:36.32 | gnarface | video editing may not |
| 17:36.49 | gnarface | it's not something i've tested myself |
| 17:37.28 | nuhop | thx for the tip |
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| 17:38.08 | gnarface | no problem, if you try it let me know how it works out. i'm highly skeptical but this information was corroborated by multiple sources |
| 17:39.16 | gnarface | there might have been some important key about getting the hardware AES encryption circuit working but i'm not sure if that was directly related to the zram/zswap setup or something else they were doing |
| 17:39.36 | gnarface | maybe that was just for using disk encryption on the built-in eMMC |
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| 19:54.50 | eyalroz | gnarface: Did you happen to notice my bluetooth question earlier? |
| 20:02.19 | gnarface | eyalroz: i think so but i didn't have an answer |
| 20:04.02 | gnarface | eyalroz: i have not got bluetooth working anywhere yet |
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| 20:11.22 | eyalroz | gnarface: Hmm. Oh well. |
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| 20:21.49 | gnarface | eyalroz: my only advice is check for driver issues with your hardware |
| 20:21.58 | gnarface | that's what is stifling me, it seems |
| 20:22.27 | eyalroz | gnarface: I'm getting the error even when no Bluetooth hardware is plugged in. |
| 20:23.17 | eyalroz | I mean, it could be something with my motherboard, but I don't remember it being Bluetooth-capable. |
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| 20:25.18 | fsmithred | eyalroz, did you try setting bluetooth (or blueman?) in your desktop autostart apps? |
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| 20:26.12 | fsmithred | In xfce, I get the panel applet if I enable it in autostart |
| 20:31.08 | gnarface | eyalroz: yea maybe that's unrelated to my issues |
| 20:31.36 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I haven't tried that, no |
| 20:32.15 | fsmithred | I'm confused by what you last said. Does the computer have bluetooth or not? |
| 20:32.21 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Well, preffed that on, now I just need to restart X (so probably later) |
| 20:32.43 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I have a bluetooth dongle I want to plug in. |
| 20:32.44 | fsmithred | you should get an icon in the panel |
| 20:32.48 | fsmithred | ah, ok |
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| 20:34.51 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Ok, so - not much luck, I don't have the icon; |
| 20:34.57 | eyalroz | but I do have a different error: |
| 20:35.06 | eyalroz | gi.repository.GLib.Error: g-dbus-error-quark: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.244" (uid=1000 pid=19132 comm="/usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/blueman-applet ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.ObjectManager" member="GetManagedObjects" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.5" (uid=0 pid=2059 comm="/usr/sbin/bluetoothd " |
| 20:36.26 | fsmithred | access denied? You need to be in a special group? Or maybe need to policykit stuff? |
| 20:37.49 | fsmithred | maybe netdev group. Just a guess. |
| 20:43.58 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I don't know. |
| 20:44.17 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Actually, I'm _in_ netdev |
| 20:44.23 | fsmithred | I'm about to look at /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/blueman-rules |
| 20:44.54 | fsmithred | Allow users in sudo or netdev group to use blueman feature requiring root without authentication |
| 20:45.41 | fsmithred | you have policykit-1 installed? |
| 20:45.42 | gnarface | i think i was using dialout for bluetooth |
| 20:45.48 | gnarface | back before it broke (pre kernel 3.1) |
| 20:45.58 | gnarface | the dialout group to be clear |
| 20:46.05 | fsmithred | back when there were still dials |
| 20:46.34 | eyalroz | fsmithred: I have that rule (altough it's blueman.rules) |
| 20:46.54 | fsmithred | yes on the filename |
| 20:47.00 | fsmithred | my error |
| 20:47.15 | eyalroz | and policykit-1 is indeed installed |
| 20:47.25 | fsmithred | it says if you're in sudo or netdev "return polkit.Result.YES;" |
| 20:47.34 | fsmithred | maybe policykit-1-gnome also |
| 20:47.41 | fsmithred | what desktop are you using? |
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| 20:57.03 | eyalroz | fsmithred: Cinnamon |
| 20:57.54 | eyalroz | I wonder if that rule even triggers. If I knew the syntax I'd add some kind of log message, and restart the daemon so as to check. |
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| 21:05.55 | fsmithred | good idea. I don't know how to do that. |
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| 21:06.03 | fsmithred | right now I'm testing bluetooth in beowulf |
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| 21:06.23 | fsmithred | seems to be running. I'm about to try to connect a device. |
| 21:06.25 | morla_ | hey, is the an unofficial beowulf image? |
| 21:06.49 | morla_ | or rather, an iso i can install beowulf from? |
| 21:08.16 | _abc_ | Hello. Upgrading ff esr from 60 to 68 now, the package moved recently? The 68? |
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| 21:15.47 | fsmithred | _abc_, 68 is in -security, |
| 21:16.33 | fsmithred | morla_, you can do a debootstrap of beowulf from the ascii live isos |
| 21:16.58 | fsmithred | or you could install one of the derivative distros that have beowulf isos |
| 21:18.29 | fsmithred | eyalroz, looks like blueman runs, but I don't know how to get it to see my android tablet. |
| 21:19.15 | _abc_ | fsmithred: it was there before too, but I had a stale link in aptitude, had to update package list to get the new one. Thus asking if it moved/was bumped/upgraded recently. |
| 21:21.43 | eyalroz | morla_: Official. AFAICR. |
| 21:22.38 | fsmithred | _abc_, yesterday or day before it got bumped from 68.3 to 68.4 |
| 21:22.50 | eyalroz | morla_: But remember beowulf has not yet been finally released. |
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| 21:44.50 | morla_ | ok, thanks. i was looking for sumpin i could just throw my previous preseed at... |
| 21:45.25 | morla_ | ill just wait and fix other stuff in the mean time :) |
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| 22:14.08 | _abc_ | How can i look in the beowulf packages to see what version of scad is available? I am not on beowulf. |
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| 22:19.19 | fsmithred | _abc_, pkginfo.devuan.org |
| 22:23.43 | _abc_ | openscad.org is at 2019.05 beowulf at 2019.01 and ascii at 2015.03 . I'm on ascii and I feel like I'm the past century. Some sunny day I'll upgrade. Soon. |
| 22:26.14 | fsmithred | I'm on beowulf now and it's good |
| 22:26.46 | _abc_ | I totally believe you but there is so much to break here if I fumble the upgrade I don't know where to start talking about it so I won't. |
| 22:27.08 | _abc_ | Proabably beo will go onto a new laptop next month. We'll see. |
| 22:27.14 | fsmithred | I didn't upgrade. I made a new install on a separate drive |
| 22:27.28 | _abc_ | Partition you mean? |
| 22:27.31 | fsmithred | was running jessie on the main box |
| 22:27.39 | fsmithred | another partition on another drive |
| 22:27.57 | _abc_ | Yes. Except on a laptop that is close to 10 yo there is no room for such things. |
| 22:28.21 | fsmithred | well only one at a time |
| 22:29.01 | fsmithred | I usually do it this way so I can boot back into the old system if I need to |
| 22:30.52 | _abc_ | Yes, I intend to use the refracta external usb multi boot thing for testing and later install as alternate system etc. Step by step. |
| 22:31.35 | _abc_ | When I go buy laptops I have a refracta generated usb stick with me and I boot it on what I am interested, with permission, to see that the hw is detected. |
| 22:31.51 | fsmithred | they let you do that??? |
| 22:32.00 | _abc_ | Yes. Why not. |
| 22:32.06 | _abc_ | I am a serious client :) |
| 22:32.10 | fsmithred | best buy wouldn't let me do it |
| 22:32.14 | fsmithred | oh, if they know you... |
| 22:32.24 | _abc_ | I do not live in America. .ro here... |
| 22:32.29 | fsmithred | they wouldn't even let me do it with an official ubuntu CD |
| 22:32.36 | James1138 | Some are afraid of uploading virus or spyware. |
| 22:32.43 | fsmithred | yup |
| 22:33.04 | _abc_ | fsmithred: 70-80% of laptops on display in shops here run "Infinite OS" which is a bastardized version of ubuntu or mint. |
| 22:33.19 | fsmithred | wow, nice |
| 22:33.38 | _abc_ | Since they come without Windows for cost reasons they have to run something. |
| 22:34.08 | James1138 | ...so much for America being "advanced".... <smirk> |
| 22:34.16 | _abc_ | Well it is advanced... |
| 22:34.26 | _abc_ | Just not clear in what direction <cough> |
| 22:34.43 | _abc_ | I once upon a time wanted to move to the usa, but life and some bastards came in between. |
| 22:35.20 | James1138 | I mean <abc> here in the America - we are stuck with Windows on just about everything we buy unless we go into a Apple store... <sigh> |
| 22:36.47 | _abc_ | I know. But you can buy a router and it runs bastardized pirated debranded linux + busybox. Or an android phone ... |
| 22:37.50 | _abc_ | Lately more serious things started running linux. Cisco routers, PBXes from Nortel/Avaya, phones (some of these used to run VxWorks). |
| 22:38.19 | James1138 | ...or like us "enlighten" ones - wipe, reformat/re-partition hard drive and install Linux. <SMILE> |
| 22:38.35 | _abc_ | Aha enlightened not illuminated. I get it <wink> |
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| 22:46.22 | _abc_ | So those laptops which already run Inifinite OS I no longer need to check since the Inf can be played with and it's clear sound, video, wifi etc work. |
| 22:47.05 | _abc_ | Sorry Endless. This https://endlessos.com/ |
| 22:48.22 | _abc_ | I have no idea why the choose to put that particular flavor of linux on shop display machines but they do. They have been doing this for 5-6 years or longer. |
| 22:54.52 | _abc_ | Has anyone shoehorned devuan, any version, onto a Chromebook? |
| 22:56.21 | James1138 | Endless OS is based on Debian for stability - but more streamlined (read stripped down) than full Debian install. |
| 22:57.15 | _abc_ | Yes it feels quite sparse. glxgears is not on usually and I need it to check fps speed and gpu in the shop display units :) |
| 22:57.38 | _abc_ | But they claim to roll out updates every month or so. |
| 23:01.17 | _abc_ | Didn't know this exists, nice to know https://github.com/endlessm/eos-composite-mode |
| 23:02.50 | _abc_ | Of course endless is off topic here and systemd infested. Sorry about that. I'm done with it, just expanded on the is-in-display-shop-machines idea. |
| 23:04.45 | James1138 | I used to use Devuan (Debian minus systemd) but use AntiX (also minus systemd) since it is based on Buster/10 while Devuan is still based on Stretch/9. |
| 23:05.15 | golinux | This has gotten a bit OT guys |
| 23:05.51 | James1138 | sorry - moving back to topic |
| 23:05.56 | golinux | Chitchat should be on #debianfork |
| 23:06.01 | _abc_ | yes, I am done with it. Sorry. |
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