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02:20.10 | ukine | what pure-FOSS driver supporting USB WiFi adapter would you kind folks recommend? |
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02:31.50 | gnarface | is there even one? |
02:31.55 | gnarface | i'm not sure ther eis |
02:32.03 | gnarface | not sure there is* |
02:34.18 | MinceR | the Wi-Pi might qualify, as i could use it in an installation process that lacked firmware for the built-in WiFi adapter... |
02:35.00 | ukine | i have the internal one working with iwlwifi, i was just curious. |
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02:37.42 | ukine | it may come down to being the difference in linux security between pre-intel ME machines (Golan series wifi, in my case with a pre-ME laptop), and ME supporting stuff relatively right after the time period of my laptop, in .gov eyes. |
02:37.58 | ukine | as they say, curiosity killed the cat XD |
02:46.48 | MinceR | curiosity keeps the cat fed |
02:48.25 | ukine | i have reason to allow certain acting that keeps me (externally, at least) on the straight and narrow :] |
02:49.53 | ukine | also, Wi-Pi if broadcom too (like regular Pi's i'm assuming) is gchq-ware |
02:50.07 | ukine | there's no escaping big brother lol |
02:51.52 | ukine | america's, at least ;) |
02:55.07 | ukine | maybe pinebook does security right. i shouldn't have been so bold with that last line. |
02:55.19 | MinceR | its module is rt2800usb, whatever that is |
02:55.28 | MinceR | apparently ralink |
02:55.30 | ukine | realtek i'm guessing |
02:55.36 | ukine | oic |
02:56.03 | ukine | cool cool :] |
02:59.26 | ukine | not to mention that it's been seeping (in a positive way) into my internal form nicely. |
03:00.09 | ukine | trusting no-one goes against natureâ¦now we're way off topic in this channel so i'll stop. |
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03:01.11 | MinceR | :) |
03:02.13 | ukine | <3 man, lots of it. i'm just hyper-reactionary heh. |
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14:07.00 | Vall | Hello everyone, long time no see. |
14:07.31 | Vall | Just dist-upgraded a test VM here from ASCII to Beowulf. |
14:08.03 | Vall | Worked without a hitch, except I wasn't able to use the ceres-backports repo... |
14:09.34 | Vall | Meaning, having the following lines in /etc/apt/sources.list threw an error during `apt-get update`: |
14:09.37 | Vall | # apt install --yes dpkg-dev linux-headers-$(uname -r) linux-image-amd64 |
14:09.41 | Vall | oops |
14:09.51 | Vall | I mean: |
14:11.26 | Vall | <PROTECTED> |
14:11.27 | Vall | <PROTECTED> |
14:11.34 | Vall | And the error is: |
14:11.59 | Vall | E: The repository 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres-backports Release' does not have a Release file. |
14:12.02 | Vall | --- |
14:12.34 | Vall | So, what am I doing wrong? Or is the ceres-backports repo f*cked? |
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14:13.20 | Vall | (I really want to use the ceres-backports, among other things, for ZFS 0.8.x) |
14:14.47 | fsmithred | hi Vall |
14:15.13 | fsmithred | what you're doing wrong is trying to use ceres-backports. There's no such thing. Ceres is Unstable (sid) |
14:15.20 | Vall | LOL |
14:15.30 | Vall | I knew I was messing up somehow ;-) |
14:15.32 | fsmithred | you should have upgraded to beowulf, which is =buster |
14:15.55 | fsmithred | and we don't have anything corresponding to debian testing (bullseye) yet. |
14:16.00 | fsmithred | Did you upgrade to ceres? |
14:16.11 | Vall | nope, to beowulf |
14:16.16 | fsmithred | whew! |
14:16.34 | fsmithred | beowulf-backports is active as of a couple days ago |
14:18.34 | fsmithred | I'm not seeing any zfs in beowulf-backports |
14:18.38 | fsmithred | maybe later |
14:21.36 | Vall | But please see here: https://i.imgur.com/62Ehwv3.png |
14:21.57 | Vall | That was what gave me the impression that a ceres-backports would be available |
14:22.56 | Vall | isn't `beowulf-backports` supposed to be used in ASCII systems when one wants packages from Beowulf that had been backported to ASCII? |
14:23.05 | Vall | That was the way I always thought about it... |
14:24.08 | Vall | (ie, the distro in the sources-list 'backports' referring to the *next* version, not the current one) |
14:24.29 | fsmithred | yes, and there's zfs in ascii-backports, so I would expect that whoever did that might backport 0.8 for beowulf. |
14:25.18 | fsmithred | that's what I meant by 'maybe later' |
14:25.31 | fsmithred | unless you want to do it. |
14:25.31 | Vall | hummmrmrmr |
14:26.44 | Vall | so if someone is running eg Beowulf, he is supposed to have "beowulf-backports" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, and *not* "ceres-backports" lines? |
14:27.25 | Vall | (I ask because I've had "beowulf-backports" lines in my *ASCII* machines since forever, and it always worked) |
14:27.58 | fsmithred | you should have been getting error messages about beowulf-backports until a couple days ago |
14:28.19 | Vall | SO I supposed the same (ie, "N+1 on the release name for the backports line) would apply to Beowulf too |
14:28.20 | fsmithred | when running ascii, you can use ascii-backports. It should not be enabled by default. |
14:28.36 | fsmithred | use beowulf-backports with beowulf |
14:29.08 | fsmithred | It means "things that have been backported to work on beowulf." |
14:29.20 | Vall | OK, so the general rule is to use the same release name (and not the next one) in the backports line, correct? |
14:30.14 | fsmithred | yes |
14:30.24 | fsmithred | and don't use it for everything possible |
14:30.35 | fsmithred | because that never gets tested |
14:30.54 | Vall | Thanks for setting me straight, fsmithred. I've been making that mistake since forever... :-/ |
14:30.58 | fsmithred | yw |
14:31.38 | fsmithred | it's also not a bad idea to pin backports to a lower priority (e.g. 100) in case the repo has it set to the wrong priority, which has happened in the past. |
14:31.56 | fsmithred | or just enable it when you want to install something from bpo. |
14:32.08 | Vall | seems the easier way to get ZFS 0.8.x on Devuan right now is to compile from source... it can generate .deb files that I can then install manually |
14:32.32 | Vall | thanks for the tip re: backport pinning, will set it here |
14:32.33 | fsmithred | yeah, download the debianized source package and build it on beowulf |
14:32.48 | fsmithred | that might work easily |
14:33.35 | Vall | actually, with zfs we download their standard tar.gz then run `./configure && make && make deb` |
14:33.53 | Vall | s/download/download+extract |
14:35.24 | Vall | Another question: the better way to pin BPO is to create a specific file for that under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/, right? |
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14:36.17 | fsmithred | in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
14:36.30 | fsmithred | you can have multiple pins in one file |
14:36.51 | fsmithred | see man apt_preferences |
14:36.58 | mason | Vall: In case you haven't seen it, details about custom package creation are here: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Custom-Packages |
14:37.30 | Vall | thanks mason, I had it already |
14:37.48 | Vall | fsmithred ok |
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14:38.04 | fsmithred | Pin: * |
14:38.11 | fsmithred | no |
14:38.16 | fsmithred | Pakcage: * |
14:38.31 | fsmithred | Pin: origin n=beowulf-backports |
14:38.37 | fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 100 |
14:39.18 | fsmithred | nope: should be a=beowulf-backport (not n=) |
14:40.11 | fsmithred | shit |
14:40.35 | fsmithred | second line should be: Pin: release a=beowulf-backports |
14:40.56 | fsmithred | this is why I need two monitors |
14:41.57 | Vall | OK |
14:42.18 | Vall | would 'Pin: release a=*-backports' work? |
14:42.26 | Vall | (ie, wildcard in the release name? |
14:42.31 | fsmithred | yes |
14:42.39 | Vall | OK, will set it that way then |
14:42.40 | fsmithred | you don't need buster-backports |
14:42.54 | fsmithred | and you don't need ascii-backports anymore |
14:43.47 | fsmithred | but wildcard will cover you for upgrade to chimaera (I hope I spelled that right.) |
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14:49.34 | Vall | yep, my idea with '*-backports' is to set it permanently, including when/if I upgrade to future versions |
14:51.37 | Vall | OK, done and working |
14:51.54 | Vall | (apt-get update gives me no errors) |
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16:35.57 | ravencrow | good morning all |
16:36.04 | furrywolf | heyas |
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16:43.28 | golinux | fsmithred: You did spell it correctly |
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16:51.07 | mason | It's certainly a chimerical spelling. |
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17:19.54 | Vall | mason: or chimaerical? ;-) |
17:20.40 | mason | Vall: Very likely, yes. |
17:21.52 | golinux | mason: Check for yourself: https://minorplanetcenter.net//iau/lists/MPNames.html |
17:23.00 | mason | golinux: I have utter faith that Chimaera is how it's spelled, and it's a chimerical spelling indeed. |
17:23.23 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
17:24.27 | mason | golinux: So, is the plan to stick with minor planets, or is the field open to a range of planets from a range of places? |
17:24.30 | furrywolf | we shouldn't pick names that people will constantly typo and wonder why their apt sources don't work... |
17:24.44 | mason | golinux: And... Are those in the solar system, or does that include stuff we've seen further off? |
17:25.15 | mason | furrywolf: Eh, I think it's a fine name. I'm just being difficult with related words that have alternate spellings. |
17:25.43 | golinux | Probably some Brit named it. |
17:26.21 | golinux | Minor planets all the way. nextime was an astronomer |
17:27.01 | golinux | There are plenty of names there to choose from. |
17:27.20 | mason | Ah, they are all from the Solar System: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets |
17:27.28 | golinux | Yes. |
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17:27.54 | mason | Maybe as we increase our ability to detect exoplanets we can expand outwards. :) |
17:28.11 | golinux | furrywolf: One must be attentive to details to use Linux. |
17:28.31 | golinux | We'll all be dead by then so useless to worry about. |
17:28.42 | furrywolf | and one must not frustrated with the users joining #devuan to ask why their apt doesn't work. :) |
17:29.16 | mason | furrywolf: We can point them to it being linked to libelogind0 =cough= |
17:30.17 | golinux | Let's take this to #debianfork |
17:30.27 | golinux | Just realized we're on #devuan |
17:30.33 | mason | Oh, libsystemd.so.0 I mean. I thought we were relinking but of course we're not. |
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17:52.02 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Is there a need for beowulf-backports, beowulf is not even released yet? |
17:52.58 | mason | gnu_srs: Yes. It provides things folks might need if running Beowulf. |
17:53.17 | mason | gnu_srs: Remember that Beowulf == Buster, and there are valid reasons to want Buster backports. |
18:07.08 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, yes - new hardware needs newer kernel |
18:07.41 | fsmithred | I even made a couple of live-isos with beowulf-backports kernel for that purpose. |
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18:26.31 | gnu_srs | I have to add that to sources.list then, working on eudev for beowulf. |
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18:38.01 | fsmithred | you shouldn't need to put eudev in beowulf-backports since beowulf hasn't been released yet. Just put the new version in beowulf if it's ready. |
18:38.47 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, ^^^ |
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19:03.26 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: I meant upgrading my thest images to beowulf., sorry. The latest eudev is built for unstable for now. |
19:04.51 | fsmithred | after I test slim from unstable, I can test eudev. Maybe 20 minutes. |
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19:27.25 | gnu_srs | I have an updated version not yet available. With a lot of eudev.{pre,post},{inst,rm} changes. Testing now. |
19:28.43 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Can I send the debs to you privately until it is built for unstable? |
19:28.54 | fsmithred | yes |
19:29.07 | fsmithred | me at gmail.com |
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19:36.21 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Mailed them to you. |
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20:25.35 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, installs ok, removes libudev1 and boots ok. I didn't install the -dev package. |
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