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| 00:25.39 | tuxd3v | is there are package with the artwork for devuan? |
| 00:29.39 | fsmithred | tuxd3v, clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme (ascii), clearlooks-phenix-cinnabar-theme (beowulf) |
| 00:30.03 | fsmithred | desktop-base will give you some art in grub boot and login and desktop background |
| 00:31.26 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, thanks I think I will go with clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme :) |
| 00:31.55 | fsmithred | you can find the desktop images in git |
| 00:32.21 | fsmithred | oh, and there are also icon sets to match the desktop theme |
| 00:33.02 | fsmithred | I think darkpurpy-icon-theme |
| 00:34.35 | fsmithred | backgrounds: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/suites/ascii/backgrounds |
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| 01:12.16 | golinux | tuxd3v: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-doc/documentation/tree/master/art/graphics |
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| 03:09.55 | xrogaan | There has been a fork of compton ( https://github.com/yshui/picom ), active but not packaged by debian. Thoughts about integrating it to devuan? |
| 03:15.11 | tuxd3v | golinux, thanks |
| 03:15.44 | tuxd3v | /usr/share/slim/themes/devuan-curve-darkpurpy |
| 03:15.48 | tuxd3v | this is the one :) |
| 03:16.23 | tuxd3v | I was making some teststs and I don't know why, but slimlock doesn't worked :S |
| 03:16.35 | tuxd3v | but in my desktop it works.. |
| 03:26.43 | g4570n | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=908533 |
| 03:35.38 | xrogaan | hey, thanks g4570n :) |
| 03:39.01 | xrogaan | Maybe there is no maintainer for compton on debian? |
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| 03:40.45 | golinux | xrogaan: Feel free to provide a package for consideration. |
| 03:41.06 | golinux | tuxd3v: Yes, that is the one. |
| 03:41.31 | xrogaan | somebody did some work already: https://gitlab.com/liskin/compton |
| 03:41.35 | g4570n | xrogaan: Scott Leggett https://packages.debian.org/stretch/compton |
| 03:43.28 | golinux | If it's in Debian, it will be in Devuan unless there's a hard systemd dependency |
| 03:44.10 | golinux | In fact looks like it is! https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=compton&release=any |
| 03:44.46 | xrogaan | that's the unmaintained compton (0.1) |
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| 03:44.58 | xrogaan | new one changed name to picom |
| 03:46.37 | xrogaan | it's a composite manager I use instead of the one shipped with xfce because, xfce's one is old with vsync issues and remains old for the foreseeable future |
| 03:47.47 | g4570n | Picom Packaging status: https://github.com/yshui/picom/issues/228 |
| 03:48.14 | xrogaan | That is, xfce 4.14 got release shortly after buster, so we won't get the update for years (maybe a bit shorter) |
| 03:49.35 | xrogaan | g4570n: https://repology.org/project/picom/versions |
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| 03:53.46 | g4570n | it seems that, for now, you will have to compile this version yourself, who knows how long it takes to get to the stable Debian branch |
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| 03:58.29 | xrogaan | a decade, |
| 03:58.31 | xrogaan | ? |
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| 04:00.20 | g4570n | ~ |
| 04:00.23 | g4570n | lol |
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| 04:17.34 | nyov | anyone using s6 as init system? |
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| 05:17.44 | xrogaan | I don't know what s6 is |
| 05:21.18 | nyov | https://skarnet.org/software/s6/ |
| 05:22.59 | onefang | s6 is an init system, that's all I know about it. |
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| 05:40.06 | golinux | nyov: skarnet gave 2 talks at the 1st Devuan conference in April. There are a few Devuan users exploring s6. |
| 05:40.21 | golinux | You might want to look at this: https://git.devuan.org/66-devuan/66 |
| 05:40.30 | nyov | golinux: oh nice - any slides or such? |
| 05:41.49 | golinux | Videos at the bottom of this page: https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-conference/ |
| 05:43.00 | golinux | Enjoy! |
| 05:43.26 | nyov | thanks |
| 05:45.19 | golinux | He had a lot of slides in his presentation. Not sure how they look on the video. |
| 06:28.01 | xrogaan | it's apparently well maintained |
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| 12:27.06 | cosurgi | fsmithred: 2nd day of work without: elogind consolekit dbus policykit |
| 12:27.17 | cosurgi | fsmithred: looks like my desktop is functional! :)) |
| 12:27.30 | cosurgi | fsmithred: anything else that I should remove? |
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| 12:28.40 | specing | cosurgi: all roads lead to Gentoo |
| 12:28.42 | cosurgi | I'm not yet sure if it's fully functional. I didn't have time to try printing, or other random stuff. |
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| 12:29.50 | cosurgi | specing: I respect gentoo users. I delved a bit into gentoo config scripts. Unfortunately I prefer `apt-get build-dep something ; time dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -j32`. |
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| 12:33.28 | cosurgi | I tried slackware gentoo and debian around 1999. After couple months of using each I decided to use debian. |
| 12:34.14 | cosurgi | now it looks like I have 20-something years of experience if .deb stuff. Though I'm just a user. |
| 12:34.53 | cosurgi | my gigantic hatred towards systemd led me to switch to devuan. And that's it. |
| 12:35.43 | cosurgi | it's because systemd kept deleting hibernation image of other linux from them swap partition. The only way to stop it from doing that was to delete some obscure binary in /usr/lib, no config file, even 'nomount' in fstab coule help that. |
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| 13:36.18 | GyrosGeier | cosurgi, if you like dpkg-buildpackage, you'll love pbuilder |
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| 17:15.10 | linearain | hi |
| 17:16.08 | gnarface | yo |
| 17:16.52 | linearain | systemd sucks? |
| 17:21.10 | Hurgotron | that's the other channel |
| 17:21.11 | fsmithred | irrelevant |
| 17:22.10 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:27.53 | frabbit | hi. i get an error when trying to logout or shutdown on xfce: Session manager must be in idle state when requesting a shutdow |
| 20:28.18 | frabbit | ive tried some sugegsts ive found via search engine but they do not work |
| 20:29.09 | frabbit | ive done a default xfce installation and minimilized that from 1200+ packages to less then 500 |
| 20:29.35 | gnarface | is something still running? |
| 20:29.43 | gnarface | i can only guess at what |
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| 20:29.57 | frabbit | the problem must be somewhere in that xfce packages, cause i minimized the installation step by step and saved packagelists after each step |
| 20:30.14 | gnarface | so maybe just one package too many removed? |
| 20:30.16 | frabbit | gnarface: everything works fine except the shutdown and logout |
| 20:30.24 | gnarface | does seem strange |
| 20:30.54 | frabbit | gnarface: yes thats what i think too, but of course after deinstalled xfce4* i installed everything that i need to use xfce |
| 20:31.20 | fsmithred | policykit-1-gnome? |
| 20:32.36 | frabbit | wait a sec i need to start the other computer... |
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| 20:36.10 | frabbit | fsmithred: policykit-1-gnome isnt installed |
| 20:37.31 | frabbit | and it was removed at last step |
| 20:39.19 | frabbit | ... is there an alternative to it? cause there comes a bunch of packages with it... 4 example adwaita-icon-theme... |
| 20:40.19 | fsmithred | I use sudo for shutdown in some cases |
| 20:40.22 | gnarface | oh |
| 20:40.28 | gnarface | frabbit: hang on |
| 20:40.34 | fsmithred | there are also dbus commands you can use |
| 20:40.40 | fsmithred | (unless you removed dbus) |
| 20:41.00 | frabbit | fsmithred: yeah i know but theres no sudo and it should be a button ;) |
| 20:41.07 | gnarface | frabbit: try "apt-get --no-install-recommends install [package name]" and compare what it will install |
| 20:41.15 | fsmithred | you can make a button for any command |
| 20:41.33 | fsmithred | 1+ for no recommends |
| 20:41.37 | gnarface | frabbit: although, for whatever it's worth, even i have adwaita-icon-theme and i don't have any of the rest of that shit. it's probably harmless. |
| 20:41.44 | frabbit | gnarface: no need ive configure apt not to do this |
| 20:42.08 | frabbit | gnarface: but its still 25 other packages that come with policykit-1-gnome |
| 20:42.13 | gnarface | yikes |
| 20:42.45 | gnarface | well |
| 20:42.56 | gnarface | i don't have it, but i also don't have a gui login... |
| 20:43.15 | frabbit | fsmithred: i can create buttons in that xfce menu? |
| 20:43.39 | frabbit | gnarface: yes me too, but its for an old lady, so i need simple to understand interface here... |
| 20:44.46 | gnarface | frabbit: does it have to be pretty? try xdm instead of whatever you're using. |
| 20:44.49 | gnarface | see if that works better |
| 20:45.03 | gnarface | that's basically the only advice i can give |
| 20:45.12 | gnarface | look up what combinations are known to work and try different once |
| 20:45.16 | gnarface | ones* |
| 20:45.21 | frabbit | gnarface: xdm is another dm? |
| 20:45.23 | gnarface | yea |
| 20:45.27 | frabbit | theres slim installed atm |
| 20:45.30 | gnarface | a really old one without fancy shit |
| 20:45.43 | gnarface | sometimes you can figure out what's going wrong by just installing an older alternative |
| 20:46.02 | frabbit | ok... but what has that dm to do with a non-functional shutdown in xfce menu? |
| 20:46.04 | gnarface | whether it fails or works, the difference can be informative |
| 20:46.42 | gnarface | oh, it might have nothing to do with it other than certain environmental differences, like permissions or graphics handling... |
| 20:47.04 | gnarface | the point of the exercise i'm suggesting is to try to figure out what is going wrong |
| 20:48.45 | gnarface | what you're doing should work, but my hypothesis here is that the thing you are most likely to have broken that was even remotely responsible for this was only there because of slim |
| 20:49.08 | gnarface | (or whatever dm you were using - didn't even know) |
| 20:49.32 | gnarface | you could also start jacking with permissions manually |
| 20:49.32 | frabbit | yay! got it! =D |
| 20:49.42 | frabbit | x11-xserver-utils was missing |
| 20:49.47 | frabbit | no it works |
| 20:49.54 | frabbit | *now |
| 20:49.56 | gnarface | excellent |
| 20:50.02 | frabbit | gnarface: thank u! =D |
| 20:50.09 | fsmithred | frabbit, yes. You make a .desktop file and put it in /usr/share/applications, and it appears in the menu. It will go into whatever sections you specify in the .desktop file. See others for examples. |
| 20:50.17 | gnarface | x11-xserver-utils, yes i have that one too |
| 20:50.23 | gnarface | frabbit: no problem |
| 20:50.53 | fsmithred | the desktop's shutdown/restart buttons are unlikely to work without all the policykit junk |
| 20:51.13 | gnarface | unlikely unless you run xorg as root anyway |
| 20:51.19 | fsmithred | (without the house of cards) |
| 20:51.20 | gnarface | but that's highly unadvised |
| 20:53.49 | frabbit | nice i minimized the default xfce installation to less then 500 packages and i thik i can minmize it more.. but im not sure about some packages, i mean if i can remove them withou ahrming hotplug usb devices, shutdown as non root etc... |
| 20:53.51 | fsmithred | frabbit, I don't know if these commands still work: https://askubuntu.com/questions/454039/what-command-is-executed-when-shutdown-from-the-graphical-menu-in-14-04 |
| 20:54.51 | frabbit | brb |
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| 21:03.57 | frabbit | lol ive figured out what causes the problem i have with that xrandr command in my .xinitrc that will not run on startx |
| 21:04.05 | frabbit | its the kernel 5.4! |
| 21:05.09 | frabbit | ive changed to 4.14 cause i got problems with irssi since last update and now every command in my .xinitrc works fine |
| 21:07.38 | frabbit | maybe someone remember that xrandr problem i had.. |
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| 21:12.15 | frabbit | devuan stock kernel is 4.9, will it change with next stable release? |
| 21:12.25 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 21:12.37 | fsmithred | yeah, of course it will change: 4.19 is in beowulf |
| 21:12.49 | fsmithred | ascii version will always be 4.9 |
| 21:13.04 | frabbit | fsmithred: cool =) |
| 21:13.04 | fsmithred | there's also 4.19 in ascii-backports |
| 21:13.32 | frabbit | i dont get why the 5.4 kernel breaks the xrand comman in my .xinitrc... |
| 21:13.37 | frabbit | *command |
| 21:15.53 | gnarface | it is either a driver regression or a change in compatibility with the tool |
| 21:15.56 | gnarface | or maby8e a change in syntax |
| 21:15.58 | frabbit | does devuan recommend using only the stock kernel? |
| 21:16.28 | gnarface | i would assume yes, as does debian |
| 21:16.36 | fsmithred | yeah, we don't have time to test other people's kernels |
| 21:17.06 | frabbit | yeah... |
| 21:17.15 | fsmithred | frabbit, are you a long time debian user? |
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| 21:17.40 | frabbit | i only used it cause i red that only versions bigger then 4.14 got patches against meltdown and spectre... |
| 21:17.48 | frabbit | fsmithred: yes =) |
| 21:18.04 | fsmithred | ok, so this should be like debian was in almost everything |
| 21:18.13 | frabbit | fsmithred: i tried some other distros but always came back to debian |
| 21:18.22 | fsmithred | even jessie 3.16 got patches |
| 21:18.57 | fsmithred | you can check at debian security site to see which patches are in which versions |
| 21:19.32 | frabbit | fsmithred: ok so this patches were put to the kernel by debian team i guess? |
| 21:19.46 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 21:19.56 | frabbit | cause the kernel devs only put them from 4.14 above... |
| 21:20.00 | frabbit | fsmithred: ...argh! |
| 21:20.10 | frabbit | ehy i didnt know this? XD |
| 21:20.15 | frabbit | *why |
| 21:20.16 | plasma41 | frabbit: I use the linux-libre kernel with Devuan. I haven't had any issues with it. |
| 21:20.25 | frabbit | plasma41: wich one? |
| 21:20.52 | frabbit | plasma41: wich version i mean |
| 21:21.32 | plasma41 | Currently I'm running 4.19. I plan to switch to 5.5 when it releases for the btrfs improvements it will bring. |
| 21:21.53 | frabbit | yeah i was using always the newest since now... |
| 21:22.12 | frabbit | and it caused 2 problems i know of.. |
| 21:22.49 | frabbit | but last patch came for all versions and since then i cant use irssi without screen.. so weird |
| 21:23.01 | frabbit | no matter if i use 5.4 or 4.14.. |
| 21:23.13 | frabbit | i will use stock kernel from now on |
| 21:23.30 | fsmithred | frabbit, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux |
| 21:23.43 | plasma41 | I used to do that. When I started running 4.19 I decided to stick with LTS kernels unless there was a specific feature of an in-between kernel that I wanted. |
| 21:25.05 | plasma41 | After 5.5 I'll run the latest kernel till the next LTS, then stick with just LTSs again. |
| 21:25.32 | frabbit | fsmithred: is this that patch: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-15572 |
| 21:26.03 | frabbit | plasma41: i dont even get why there are so many kernel versions... |
| 21:26.24 | plasma41 | New drivers for new hardware mostly |
| 21:26.37 | frabbit | plasma41: yeah thats what i thought.. |
| 21:27.04 | frabbit | new drivers for my >13year "new" laptop XD |
| 21:27.12 | frabbit | *years |
| 21:28.31 | frabbit | ive changed to t60 a few weeks ago and since then i do not need any spectre/meltdown patches, even if there werent in the stock kernel of devuan, my machine is not vulnerable |
| 21:29.24 | frabbit | will install stock kernel again and didnt have the problem of no automatic kernel update anymore |
| 21:29.33 | frabbit | brb |
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| 21:46.36 | frabbit | lol my irssi problem is now gone too with the stock kernel =D |
| 21:50.44 | frabbit | hmm.. im wondering if that video issue i have is gone too now... |
| 21:51.11 | frabbit | i found out that it only happend with youtube videos btw |
| 21:51.47 | frabbit | other websites no matter if the video is hidden or not do not cause this issue |
| 21:51.54 | frabbit | *video-url |
| 21:53.37 | frabbit | ah.. no.. this problem is still there... =( |
| 21:59.05 | frabbit | fsmithred: u have a minimal xfce too right? how many packages do u have? |
| 21:59.24 | fsmithred | not minimal, but mostly without metapackages |
| 22:00.06 | fsmithred | current (new) install has 1398. I started a week ago. |
| 22:00.07 | frabbit | fsmithred: ah ok |
| 22:00.21 | frabbit | =O thats a lot |
| 22:00.35 | fsmithred | I think my refracta isos have around 1100, and devuan desktop-live has around 1400 |
| 22:00.36 | frabbit | but u probably do a lot dev stuff |
| 22:01.05 | fsmithred | I haven't built any packages on this rig yet |
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| 22:34.21 | fsmithred | frabbit, I've got over 2000 packages installed in the jessie system that I just stopped using |
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| 22:34.40 | fsmithred | some of those were just to try stuff |
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| 23:17.49 | enyc | meows |
| 23:17.59 | enyc | fsmithred: hrrm at what point should you chave separat echroots and so on hrrm |
| 23:18.00 | furrywolf | pets enyc |
| 23:18.15 | enyc | fsmithred: my package-overloads usually result from lots of "apt-get build-dep [...]" |
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