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00:24.32 | Starbeamrainbowl | Indeed! |
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00:51.09 | ball37 | Anyone know why nobody is seeding the devuan_ascii torrent? |
00:52.20 | ball37 | I guess I'll look for an http link |
00:53.09 | fsmithred | files.devuan.org |
00:53.13 | fsmithred | for isos |
00:54.13 | fsmithred | ball37, here's the mirror list: https://devuan.org/get-devuan |
00:54.23 | ball37 | yeah, I'm downliading a 1G file... |
00:54.32 | ball37 | Just noting that the torrents don't work |
00:54.49 | fsmithred | I think that will be fixed soon |
00:55.14 | fsmithred | 1G... desktop-live? |
00:55.14 | ball37 | cool. I'm going to try katoolin on the desktop live and see how that goes (downloads kali set) |
00:55.19 | ball37 | yeah |
00:55.27 | fsmithred | huh? |
00:55.42 | ball37 | https://github.com/LionSec/katoolin |
00:55.51 | fsmithred | for which debian suite is it? |
00:55.55 | fsmithred | buster? |
00:56.27 | ball37 | bulleye I think |
00:57.16 | fsmithred | oy |
00:57.22 | fsmithred | ok, be patient |
00:57.30 | fsmithred | only ascii isos now |
00:57.41 | fsmithred | ascii=stretch |
00:57.45 | fsmithred | beowulf=buster |
00:57.52 | fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye |
00:58.07 | fsmithred | we're in the process of getting beowulf isos ready |
00:58.33 | fsmithred | we don't have a chimaera repo yet to merge bullseye, but that will happen soon |
00:58.48 | ball37 | ok, so I should wait? |
00:59.00 | fsmithred | well, this is an experiment, right? |
00:59.35 | fsmithred | well, if it's bullseye, you will have to wait |
01:00.05 | fsmithred | do they say which ubuntu they tested it on? |
01:00.54 | ball37 | well I use bt5 as a router in a vm, which is based on ubuntu Lucid |
01:01.08 | ball37 | which is really old and doesn't fully support some hardware I have |
01:02.06 | ball37 | tried back-porting the driver but that didn't work |
01:02.42 | ball37 | I appreciate all the work BTW |
01:03.06 | fsmithred | I just lost sound. I wanted to watch the video. |
01:03.41 | ball37 | ? |
01:04.02 | fsmithred | there's a link to a video on the katoolin page |
01:04.19 | ball37 | oh |
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01:05.07 | ball37 | That audio is just some euroweenie techno |
01:07.09 | fsmithred | well, in this case... |
01:07.17 | fsmithred | speaker wasn't plugged in |
01:08.15 | fsmithred | works now |
01:10.12 | ball37 | Has anyone tried just deleting systemd from the debian distros? |
01:10.28 | ball37 | meaning after installing debian |
01:10.33 | fsmithred | vivid in the video |
01:10.50 | ball37 | ? |
01:11.02 | fsmithred | yes, antix uses debian without systemd, but they have a repo of packages that have been scrubbed |
01:11.09 | fsmithred | similar to what we do |
01:11.13 | ball37 | ah |
01:11.31 | fsmithred | you might be able to do it with a very lean system |
01:11.36 | fsmithred | but I'm not sure |
01:11.52 | fsmithred | haven't tried that since jessie |
01:11.55 | ball37 | all I use is a few konsoles |
01:15.19 | ball37 | looks like its based on buster |
01:16.27 | fsmithred | I've got some beowulf-based Refracta isos you could try |
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01:17.20 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ |
01:21.58 | fsmithred | vivid uses 3.19 kernel - that was jessie |
01:22.48 | ball37 | antiX looks good if it works, given I run it out of a VM |
01:24.08 | fsmithred | I'm gonna try katoolin. Looks like it only takes a few minutes. |
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01:43.58 | fsmithred | ball37, it seems to be working. I'm installing stuff. |
01:44.17 | fsmithred | not all the packages are available |
01:44.18 | cynicfm | hey, may i ask here what devuaners think about Gentoo???? |
01:44.48 | ball37 | fsmithred are you referring to katoolin on devuan buster? |
01:45.20 | fsmithred | on devuan beowulf (actually a refracta live iso in vm) |
01:46.49 | MinceR | gentoo is nice but i've seen portage fail already |
01:46.50 | fsmithred | looks like you have to select each tool to install it. The option to install all in a category doesn't work if any of the packages are missing. |
01:47.16 | MinceR | (but then again, i've seen APT fuck up as well) |
01:47.21 | cynicfm | MinceR: sorry i have used Devuan for some time, but i am new to Gentoo, what do you mean portage fail again?? It has failed you?? |
01:47.31 | fsmithred | beyond nice, gentoo is a great distribution, because you can do anything the way you want |
01:47.44 | fsmithred | I don't have the patience for it |
01:48.17 | MinceR | i had an install of a gentoo-based distro where after a period of not updating portage decided that nothing needed to be upgraded even though the portage tree was updated |
01:48.20 | cynicfm | what i personally find with distributions like Devuan for exmaple is that they're so good to the point they're boring cuz i don't know how to learn new things when im there ;/ |
01:48.43 | cynicfm | right... |
01:48.46 | MinceR | i wish i had access to an OS that was so good as to be boring |
01:48.59 | fsmithred | when I switched to debian, I considered gentoo for the same reason I switched to debian - very big repo |
01:49.11 | cynicfm | well i have used Hyperbola Gnu/Linux for a while and it is really good, but it's 100% libre... |
01:49.12 | fsmithred | and yeah, devuan and debian are boring |
01:49.15 | fsmithred | it's a feature |
01:49.20 | cynicfm | :P |
01:49.23 | MinceR | debian is no longer boring |
01:49.35 | fsmithred | true |
01:49.42 | MinceR | every boot and every shutdown is a game of russian roulette |
01:50.13 | fsmithred | I remember her the way she was |
01:50.18 | furrywolf | heh, this box crashes on hibernate about 1 in 6 times... |
01:50.23 | cynicfm | i had that russian roulette when i used Arch Linux |
01:50.39 | furrywolf | however, I believe it to be the kernel's fault. :) |
01:51.20 | erhandsoME[m] | if you want stablity go for boring |
01:51.46 | cynicfm | i want to learn new things |
01:52.17 | cynicfm | maybe gentoo will teach me something... |
01:52.28 | cynicfm | anyways sorry i should go on devuan-chat or something |
01:53.13 | cynicfm | #debianfork it is, ok thanks :) |
01:53.32 | erhandsoME[m] | you don't need to tear your house to do something else |
01:54.22 | cynicfm | i am quite new to Linux, i suppose i still learn things for beginner although i still keep trying new distributions, Gentoo is one of them... I have used devuan for about 8 months before this |
01:54.55 | cynicfm | is there any way of installing devuan without erasing whole HDD?? |
01:55.07 | MinceR | there are ways |
01:55.30 | cynicfm | ok cool, thanks ;) |
01:55.38 | cynicfm | I'll find out how haha, cheers have a good day |
01:55.52 | MinceR | for example, running it in a VM; installing it on free space alongside the HDD that has an existing OS; installing it on a second(/etc.) SSD/HDD; installing it on a removable storage device |
01:56.32 | cynicfm | ohh u mean installing it on usbstick?? |
01:56.50 | cynicfm | like a live session?? |
01:57.22 | specing | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14462#p14462 |
01:57.53 | specing | you could do the formatting on a dummy usb stick, or somehow skip it and then use ^ |
01:58.13 | specing | debian/devuan becomes painful once you want to deviate from the norm |
02:00.56 | fsmithred | there's a wide variety of norms |
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02:10.28 | fsmithred | ball37, you still here? Seems to be working. I've installed at least a dozen packages with no complaints, but I'm about to run out of space in this vm. |
02:10.57 | ball37 | cool |
02:11.15 | fsmithred | I'm just running a live iso. |
02:11.50 | fsmithred | if I knew more about these tools I might actually install in a vm and then make a live iso of that |
02:12.24 | fsmithred | probably need to give the mv 20G or more. |
02:12.28 | fsmithred | mv |
02:12.31 | fsmithred | damn |
02:12.35 | fsmithred | VM |
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02:29.01 | MinceR | cynicfm: yes, that would be one method |
02:29.34 | cynicfm | Yes |
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13:08.30 | beurs | what's the default devuan password? |
13:09.07 | onefang | From memory the default root password for Devuan is toor. |
13:09.15 | beurs | thx |
13:09.33 | beurs | yep, root - toor |
13:10.00 | onefang | Nothing wrong with my memo ... what where we talking about? |
13:21.55 | fsmithred | devuan/devuan, root/toor |
13:22.26 | onefang | Ah, I HAD forgotten something. lol |
13:24.39 | beurs | devuan/devuan doesn't work here |
13:27.58 | fsmithred | where are you? |
13:28.19 | fsmithred | live isos use the passwords I posted |
13:28.42 | beurs | yeah okay, not using a live distro |
13:28.56 | fsmithred | what are you using? |
13:28.59 | beurs | disk image |
13:29.09 | fsmithred | ah, ok. Maybe there's no user? |
13:29.17 | beurs | no prob, i got root :P |
13:29.21 | fsmithred | or luther? |
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13:29.39 | onefang | With root you can solve the other password problem. |
13:29.43 | beurs | yep |
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13:31.58 | fsmithred | ball37, too bad you left |
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15:07.58 | epergny | is anyone running the latest Devuan on some AMD Ryzen Zen 2 rig? (like a 3700x/3800x/3900x) Anything particular to do to make it work or does it work out of the box? |
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15:11.43 | gnarface | epergny: if it doesn't work, installing the kernel from ascii-backports should |
15:12.06 | gnarface | shouldn't need anything special afaik except just a new enough kernel. i'm not sure if the stock ascii one is new enough |
15:12.26 | gnarface | you can test from a live image to find out though |
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15:27.37 | epergny | gnarface: ah tyvm, good to know. Don't have an AMD Ryzen Zen 2 though: asking before buying : ) |
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15:43.57 | gnarface | epergny: hang out, it's a slow channel but i know some other people in here do have them. |
15:50.36 | fsmithred | epergny, did you try booting the desktop-live? Or any iso? |
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16:00.00 | fsmithred | oh, I finally read to the end. If you end up needing to boot with a newer kernel, I have a live iso with the ascii-backports kernel. |
16:00.20 | fsmithred | or maybe there will be beowulf isos by the time you buy it. (betas) |
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16:01.59 | DonkeyHotei | epergny: for zen2 you need at least a 5.0 kernel |
16:03.43 | fsmithred | ok, bpo won't be new enough |
16:06.58 | gnarface | bpo isn't up to that yet? |
16:07.21 | gnarface | oh, i guess not, it is only 4.19 |
16:07.24 | fsmithred | ascii-backports has |
16:07.25 | fsmithred | yeah |
16:07.35 | fsmithred | I'm about to check buster-backports |
16:07.58 | furrywolf | speaking of beowulf, is it reasonably safe to upgrade to it yet? I have two ascii boxes that could use newer non-bpo software. |
16:08.07 | fsmithred | 5.3 |
16:08.15 | furrywolf | icewm on this one, xfce on the other. |
16:08.53 | fsmithred | ceres has 5.4 |
16:09.29 | fsmithred | I've upgraded xfce and it's not bad |
16:09.35 | gnarface | epergny: oh, i guess you need a much newer kernel than ascii-backports, but you can get it from ceres or you can build it yourself. let me know if you need help |
16:10.44 | fsmithred | beowulf with buster-backports kernel should work |
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16:11.30 | gnarface | a custom 5.3 kernel build is working fine for me in ascii but that is on aarch64 |
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16:12.06 | fsmithred | furrywolf, you'll probably get some arguments at the end about elogind. Beat it with a hammer and it will eventually upgrade the last ones. |
16:12.25 | fsmithred | apt is afraid to remove lsd0 |
16:13.56 | furrywolf | I'll start with the xfce box... it's just used for playing music at work, and breaking is acceptable for that. |
16:14.12 | furrywolf | mostly I'm hoping newer x fixes the horrible memory leak that box has |
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21:01.08 | linearain | hi, whats so bad with sytemd that debian had to fork? |
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21:07.31 | Akuli | linearain, the answers you get will depend a lot on which devuan user is answering. i guess one big thing is that systemd doesn't follow the "do one thing and do it well" philosophy, and does more things than a traditional init program does |
21:07.56 | golinux | groans and suggest that <linearain> takes it to #debianfork with <Akuli> |
21:08.02 | Akuli | :D |
21:08.07 | linearain | i see. |
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