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| 01:29.01 | frabbit | hi everyone here from last time were i describe my problem with mpv? |
| 01:29.06 | frabbit | *anyone |
| 01:51.25 | xrogaan | mpv? |
| 01:52.35 | xrogaan | why mpv and not mplayer? |
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| 03:46.26 | slphil | Hi, I've got Devuan installed with KDE, and I keep getting PolicyKit popups, and reboot/shutdown just return me to the login screen. How do I set up policykit to let me do shutdowns, flash drive mounts, etc as a user? The Debian wiki refers to systemd. |
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| 04:09.24 | golinux | slphil: Have you read the Release Notes? https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt |
| 04:10.04 | golinux | Read the section ### Session management and policykit backends |
| 04:12.18 | slphil | `apt install elogind` removes libsystemd0 and complains about a lot of dependency errors (pulseaudio, emacs-gtk, cups-daemon, etc), is this OK? |
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| 10:28.27 | u1f320 | I've installed ascii in a virtualbox, chose lxqt, and those My Computer and Network and Trash icons on desktop don't exist (also the Desktop Preferences for them don't either), so that must be why upgrading from buster to beowulf lead to them not working(even though they remained(also in Desktop Settings)) |
| 10:29.45 | u1f320 | *led (Verbe irrégulier : lead - led - led. ) |
| 10:34.33 | u1f320 | any idea if that's because they depend on systemd? or wut |
| 10:43.02 | u1f320 | Should I be worried that packages that devuan modified for use in devuan, from debian, are outdated? https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages?sort=updated_desc |
| 10:49.18 | rrq | don;t think that's a relevant worry.. but pussibly the installation media is incomplete. Did you try "dist-upgrade"? |
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| 10:50.46 | u1f320 | i did, it had no effect when I tried it |
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| 10:53.13 | rrq | right. you might need to hang around until the desktop wizards wake up. |
| 10:54.40 | u1f320 | xD well I'm planning on switching from ArchLinux to Devuan, I just want to make sure I won't be sorry it wasn't Debian instead. |
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| 10:59.46 | rrq | it's debian sans cystemd ... though a bit slow keeping up on releases |
| 11:01.48 | u1f320 | hmm I see what you mean, for example even though grub2 says it was last updated 5months ago(on that above git.devuan.org url), Devuan is using the debian version 2.02~beta3-5+deb9u2 (I'm guessing) |
| 11:03.20 | u1f320 | as long as it's up to date with security updates, it's good enough for me (also lacking systemd, ofc) |
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| 11:42.57 | u1f320 | For future reference: here's lxqt icons in Debian buster 10.2 https://i.imgur.com/0h8IDRK.png https://i.imgur.com/Zrrr3Uq.png and here's in Devuan ascii 2.1(dvd iso install with mirror) https://i.imgur.com/4Zy8Kl3.png https://i.imgur.com/3kWW99h.png |
| 11:44.36 | fsmithred | u1f320, do you have a buster lxqt now? |
| 11:44.50 | u1f320 | indeed I do, different VM |
| 11:45.17 | fsmithred | could you compare package lists between debian and devuan lxqt? |
| 11:45.24 | u1f320 | sure thing, how? |
| 11:45.28 | fsmithred | or send me the package lists and I'll compare them |
| 11:45.56 | u1f320 | how do I list them? |
| 11:46.12 | fsmithred | I'll give you a command |
| 11:46.21 | fsmithred | still waiting for the coffee to soak into my brain |
| 11:46.38 | u1f320 | just to list them, I'll enjoy finding the way to compare them:) |
| 11:46.42 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |
| 11:47.26 | fsmithred | dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ { print $2 " " $3 }' |
| 11:47.31 | fsmithred | I think that's right |
| 11:48.00 | u1f320 | ok, I've only just booted them:D |
| 11:48.31 | fsmithred | oh, I forgot the redirect at the end |
| 11:48.47 | fsmithred | like: > pkglist1 |
| 11:49.55 | u1f320 | I'm a little baffled how virtualbox allowed both running VMs to get same internal IP(dhcp!) 10.0.2.15 |
| 11:50.34 | fsmithred | oh, I always use bridged network in vbox, so my router hands out addresses |
| 11:56.36 | u1f320 | the differences are significant, hmm maybe I should upgrade to beowulf before comparing to buster? |
| 11:58.11 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.48 | u1f320 | here's debian buster 10.2 https://paste.debian.net/1123151/ |
| 11:58.53 | fsmithred | did you check the forum for info about lxqt? |
| 11:59.09 | u1f320 | and ascii devuan 2.1 https://paste.debian.net/1123152/ |
| 11:59.15 | u1f320 | i didn't check |
| 11:59.44 | u1f320 | dev1galaxy.org this forum? |
| 12:00.02 | u1f320 | oh right: The officially official Devuan Forum! |
| 12:00.25 | u1f320 | i dno why I thought dev1 is just some one single developer:) |
| 12:01.41 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 12:01.58 | fsmithred | we have a few more than one dev |
| 12:03.04 | u1f320 | yeah, it was because of my encountering dev1 first in this link: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ |
| 12:03.46 | buZz | 'uan' can be pronounced as 'one' |
| 12:03.47 | buZz | :D |
| 12:05.54 | u1f320 | yeah, I noticed that: <u1f320> fsmithred, cheers! so uhm, uan=1 ? dev1 :) |
| 12:08.23 | fsmithred | your buster has policykit-1-gnome |
| 12:08.41 | fsmithred | also some lxqt theme packages are missing in ascii |
| 12:09.42 | fsmithred | here's a list of what's in buster that's not in ascii (may have some errors): https://termbin.com/atb3 |
| 12:13.07 | u1f320 | transitioning from ascii to beowulf should be easy right? sources.list change? |
| 12:14.39 | fsmithred | yes, should be easy |
| 12:14.55 | fsmithred | change sources.list, update and upgrade |
| 12:15.42 | fsmithred | I haven't tried with lxqt, but xfce and mate were easy |
| 12:17.30 | u1f320 | 1002 upgraded, 228 newly installed, 0 to remove and 175 not upgraded. |
| 12:18.04 | fsmithred | sounds about right |
| 12:18.47 | u1f320 | in progress.... What's next after beowulf that I could upgrade to? |
| 12:18.57 | buZz | oooo fsmithred interview just went live :D |
| 12:19.06 | u1f320 | where |
| 12:19.07 | buZz | on dyne.org's youtube channel |
| 12:19.17 | buZz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGhH05ilIyc |
| 12:19.18 | u1f320 | url? |
| 12:19.25 | u1f320 | thx |
| 12:20.33 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 12:20.54 | fsmithred | I hope it's the same one I saw a few months ago |
| 12:23.50 | buZz | probably :P |
| 12:25.48 | u1f320 | cool |
| 12:34.18 | fsmithred | yeah, it's the right edit. (Thanks!) |
| 12:34.26 | fsmithred | I have to go out. Back in a couple hours. |
| 12:37.04 | u1f320 | that termbin stuff is pretty cool |
| 12:46.37 | u1f320 | hmm looks like I'd need dist-upgrade to get those 175 upgraded too... doing it now |
| 12:47.12 | onefang | That's the way it works when upgrading your dist. B-) |
| 12:48.13 | u1f320 | sweet! |
| 12:48.26 | u1f320 | i noob at this:) |
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| 12:58.19 | u1f320 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 12:58.19 | u1f320 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.30 | u1f320 | any way to find out the reason? even with dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.53 | u1f320 | well, the icons/shortcuts (ie. My Computer) are back/fixed in beowulf |
| 13:01.19 | u1f320 | and working |
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| 13:04.51 | u1f320 | beowulf 3 https://i.imgur.com/WJJGzAw.png https://i.imgur.com/52rc3jR.png https://paste.debian.net/1123161/ |
| 13:07.26 | Atari-Frosch | Last night I changed a newly leased virtual server (Netcup, smallest model), delivered with Debian Jessie, to Devuan Jessie and then to ASCII. I installed screen and irssi and wanted to connect with that to IRCNet. Connection works fine, but it seems that the terminal cannot decide between the shell and the screen with irssi und tries to show me both: irssi above, the command line at the end. But this âcommand lineâ does not understand |
| 13:07.27 | Atari-Frosch | commands. |
| 13:08.02 | Atari-Frosch | Also the screen cannot be sent to the background (ctrl-a d). |
| 13:08.12 | Atari-Frosch | Everything is mixed up. |
| 13:08.17 | Atari-Frosch | Any ideas? |
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| 14:53.49 | Atari-Frosch | Problem with screen solved: screen -O was the solution. Without that parameter screen seems to dislike the resolution of my local xterm m) |
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| 15:49.14 | frabbit | hi. i have that annoying beep sound when pressing keys, 4 ex. when i press arrow-down on terminal... im not sure but i think on the t61 i could just disable Beep on alsamixer, but here on t60 its still there after i did this... o0 |
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| 16:03.54 | fsmithred | disable beep in bios maybe? |
| 16:04.05 | fsmithred | log out and in will fix it, but that's a pain |
| 16:04.30 | fsmithred | I've never figured out what causes that |
| 16:06.58 | debdog | frabbit: yah, if you find something, let me know. have the same issue on my HP Envy |
| 16:09.14 | jonadab | ~/w 40 |
| 16:19.10 | gnarface | solutions seem to be hardware dependent |
| 16:19.52 | gnarface | some motherboards only send the terminal bell to the onboard speaker, while others can route it to the main soundcard |
| 16:20.20 | gnarface | if you're in the former case you can usually just blacklist the pc speaker driver, i think |
| 16:20.23 | gnarface | in the latter case ymmv |
| 16:20.53 | gnarface | it is probably easier to solve it by telling the terminal emulator you're using not to beep but rather to blink instead |
| 16:21.05 | gnarface | ("visual bell") |
| 16:30.18 | frabbit | fsmithred: no more BIOS here, its a librebooted laptop |
| 16:35.40 | gnarface | it would be pretty dumb for them to omit beep control |
| 16:36.17 | gnarface | maybe make sure the docs don't mention it, then file a bug report/feature request |
| 16:38.46 | frabbit | gnarface: ok |
| 16:39.07 | GyrosGeier | on tty? |
| 16:39.16 | GyrosGeier | I remember a setting for that |
| 16:39.18 | gnarface | it might be listed under something like "bell" or "system beep" or "pc speaker" or something like that |
| 16:39.57 | GyrosGeier | in bash, you can adjust the "bell-style" setting |
| 16:40.11 | GyrosGeier | set bell-style none |
| 16:40.26 | gnarface | yea, that might be easier |
| 16:43.57 | GyrosGeier | thinks we should uphold a bit of a "veteran sysadmin" standard in here :P |
| 16:44.29 | GyrosGeier | oh |
| 16:44.47 | GyrosGeier | the set command goes to ~/.inputrc by the way |
| 16:48.13 | frabbit | set bell-style none doesnt do anything... |
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| 16:50.57 | onefang | I did find a way to replace the system bell beeping the motherboard speaker with a sound sample going through my sound card/s. That was earlier this year, and now that I want to change it, I can't recall how, or where. lol |
| 16:51.12 | yeti | "GyrosGeier thinks we should uphold a bit of a "veteran sysadmin" standard in here :P" >>> starting with adding this to the topic >>> https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 |
| 16:52.03 | onefang | For me the main advantage was I can turn the volume down late at night, or off when I sleep. |
| 16:52.35 | onefang | I resemble that yeti. B-) |
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| 17:00.24 | fsmithred | yeah, check /etc/inputrc |
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| 17:08.41 | frabbit | fsmithred: uncomment set bell-style none in /etc/inputrc has no effect |
| 17:08.56 | frabbit | also its only for tab completion |
| 17:13.39 | fsmithred | yeah, I wondered if that would work |
| 17:14.02 | fsmithred | for me, it only happens after I do something specific (I guess) with the keyboard. |
| 17:14.19 | fsmithred | But I've never been able to figure out what I did to set it off. |
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| 17:35.17 | onefang | https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/27/to-beep-or-not-to-beep-that-is-the-question/ might be useful, it was for me. I should actually bookmark it now that I've found it again. lol |
| 17:36.14 | onefang | In particular the xkbevd solution worked for me. |
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| 17:50.02 | onefang | Ah frabbit wasn't on, and now isn't on again. I'll probably sleep soon, someone point frabbit at that web site if they come on again soon. |
| 17:53.03 | onefang | At least I managed to fix what I needed to fix, when there's lotsa beeps, instead of getting "ding ... ding ... ding" which can keep going on for minutes afterwards, I now got overlapping dings that stop when the source of beeps stops. dingdingdingdidingngdingaling |
| 17:53.13 | furrywolf | rabbits, fanged-things... is this ##furry? |
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| 18:16.20 | frabbit | onefang: no im online ive just disconnects ;) reading the article u linekd atm |
| 18:16.29 | frabbit | *linked |
| 18:18.37 | debdog | Appendix A seems interesting in this context |
| 18:19.10 | frabbit | lol! |
| 18:19.57 | frabbit | didnt read the article but di figured out 4myself that u need to logout and log in again after edit /etc/inputrc |
| 18:20.11 | frabbit | now theres no beep anymore! =D |
| 18:20.25 | debdog | cool! |
| 18:20.46 | frabbit | debdog: try it too. |
| 18:21.24 | debdog | later⦠|
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| 18:23.15 | frabbit | thx fsmithred |
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| 19:05.53 | Magnus_K | Hi, does anyone here run opera and have figured out how to enable h264 support? |
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| 19:09.19 | gnarface | Magnus_K: i don't run opera, but check to see if it ships with that same stupid cisco h264 decoder plugin that firefox bundles. fixing it in firefox for a lot of people consists simply of disabling that plugin (in favor of native libraries) |
| 19:11.37 | Magnus_K | gnarface: yeah, browsing for solutions I strongly suspect that the problem might be the ffmpeg version |
| 19:13.29 | Magnus_K | installing anv linking to new version was a possible solution |
| 19:14.48 | gnarface | i think the right version should be the one in the repos, but i only recall personally verifying that on ceres |
| 19:16.04 | Magnus_K | I'm running beowulf, ffmpeg version 7:4.1.4-1 |
| 19:17.02 | gnarface | i am not sure it's actually the ffmpeg version that's relevant but maybe rather something it depends on like libav |
| 19:17.51 | gnarface | i'm also not sure it's such a narrow range of versions - it probably matters just that you have the right one for the version of firefox you're using (i.e., the firefox in the repo should match it) |
| 19:20.19 | Magnus_K | yeah, it all works well using firefox so the ffmpeg and its dependencies are ok |
| 19:21.19 | gnarface | hmmm, that does suggest Opera is somehow linking to the wrong thing then |
| 19:21.28 | Magnus_K | I had a look at the ffmpeg for opera, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so |
| 19:21.50 | gnarface | oh, so it is bundling it's own |
| 19:22.00 | Magnus_K | readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so should give me the end of that link, right? |
| 19:22.06 | gnarface | might be the issue - i know Steam trips up a lot because of internally bundled cruft |
| 19:22.27 | gnarface | uh... i'm not sure what readlink does |
| 19:22.50 | gnarface | oh |
| 19:22.54 | gnarface | it's just for reading symlinks |
| 19:23.02 | Magnus_K | I think it should follow the link until it comes to something that isn't a link. When I punched that in it said that the end of that link was readlink -f /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so |
| 19:23.11 | gnarface | you can do that with "ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so" too |
| 19:23.29 | gnarface | or "ls -l [symlink]" anyway |
| 19:23.41 | gnarface | it won't do it recursively but you can follow it by hand |
| 19:24.26 | Magnus_K | yeah, but this doesn't seem to lead anywhere....? |
| 19:25.01 | Magnus_K | ls -l gives the following |
| 19:25.02 | gnarface | oh |
| 19:25.03 | Magnus_K | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1725032 Dec 10 08:55 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so |
| 19:25.13 | Magnus_K | so that must be it? |
| 19:25.15 | gnarface | uh |
| 19:25.20 | gnarface | be sure with this |
| 19:25.53 | gnarface | ls --color -F /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so |
| 19:26.43 | Magnus_K | gives the same output |
| 19:27.05 | gnarface | try it on something you know is a symlink to make sure you see the visual distinction i'm referring to |
| 19:27.09 | gnarface | but probably that's it, yes |
| 19:27.24 | gnarface | it is possible for a symlink to be created broken though, so make sure you're clear on the difference |
| 19:29.20 | Magnus_K | system is fairly fresh so I'm not sure what is a symlink for sure |
| 19:29.30 | Magnus_K | tried a few, all give same output |
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| 19:30.35 | Magnus_K | tried four different .so files, all give the same type of output |
| 19:31.35 | gnarface | Magnus_K: check this paste http://paste.debian.net/1123224/ |
| 19:31.54 | gnarface | the symlinks are the ones with the "->" pointing to another file |
| 19:32.08 | gnarface | most of the files they point to are also listed next to them |
| 19:32.44 | gnarface | in my terminal the symlinks also show up colored cyan and bolded, while the regular files are just grey |
| 19:33.13 | gnarface | i got this with "ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libSDL*" |
| 19:33.26 | gnarface | but i had aliases set up in my user's bash config for the --color and -F stuff |
| 19:34.10 | Magnus_K | ok, got it |
| 19:34.26 | Magnus_K | gives a different output, colored magenta |
| 19:34.35 | Magnus_K | or whatever , lol |
| 19:34.43 | gnarface | interesting. magenta is graphics files on here |
| 19:34.58 | gnarface | look in your user's ~/.bashrc |
| 19:35.07 | gnarface | there should be some commented-out examples you can uncomment then relog to enable |
| 19:35.11 | Magnus_K | well, it could be that my artistic talents suck and the color is called something else |
| 19:35.15 | Magnus_K | :-) |
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| 19:36.33 | Magnus_K | but it's safe to conclude that the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opera/libffmpeg.so is no link pointing somewhere |
| 19:36.53 | Magnus_K | so changing that might do the trick |
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| 19:37.45 | gnarface | Magnus_K: yea, seems safe to try. just back it up somewhere then replace it with a symlink pointing to the right one |
| 19:37.53 | gnarface | Magnus_K: let us know if it works |
| 19:37.59 | Magnus_K | yeah, will do |
| 19:38.17 | Magnus_K | how do I know what ffmpeg firefox uses? |
| 19:38.32 | Magnus_K | just link it to ffmpeg? |
| 19:38.40 | gnarface | ldd should tell you |
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| 19:39.16 | gnarface | the firefox "binary" might itself be a wrapper script pointing to something else though. you'll need to run ldd on the actual binary, wherever it is |
| 19:39.49 | gnarface | and fyi you don't necessarily need to move any files. you might be able to override which library the opera binary uses with the LD_PRELOAD environment variable |
| 19:42.01 | Magnus_K | ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg gave a lot of output |
| 19:42.20 | Magnus_K | (never used ldd before so I'm skimming the man pages now) |
| 19:43.32 | gnarface | it dumps ALL the libraries the binary is linked to |
| 19:43.45 | Magnus_K | well hello, running ldd /usr/bin/opera gave this little line |
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| 19:44.06 | Magnus_K | libffmpeg.so => not found |
| 19:44.11 | gnarface | heh |
| 19:44.19 | gnarface | the smoking gun |
| 19:44.20 | Magnus_K | yeah, heh :-) |
| 19:44.48 | Magnus_K | nifty trick with ldd, I'll be sure to remember that |
| 19:50.17 | Magnus_K | mmm, trying to see what firefox depends on but /usr/bin/firefox is not an executable, and /usr/bin/firefox-esr only depends on few files, none hich are ffmpeg. |
| 19:50.35 | gnarface | they might be bash scripts |
| 19:50.37 | gnarface | look inside |
| 19:50.44 | Magnus_K | I was thinking I'd see what ffmpeg firefox depends on |
| 19:50.47 | gnarface | it might be something like firefox.real or something |
| 19:52.04 | Magnus_K | yeah, I used which but it said firefix but youre right its firefox.real |
| 19:53.11 | Magnus_K | forefox-esr is binary |
| 19:53.27 | Magnus_K | but firefox is just a script with a few lines, |
| 19:53.30 | Magnus_K | #!/bin/sh |
| 19:53.30 | Magnus_K | FIREFOX="$(which firefox)" |
| 19:53.30 | Magnus_K | [ -x "$FIREFOX.real" ] && exec "$FIREFOX.real" "$@" |
| 19:53.30 | Magnus_K | exec firefox-esr "$@" |
| 19:54.37 | Magnus_K | but that still don't lead me to any other binary than firefox-esr |
| 19:58.25 | gnarface | on my system, /usr/bin/firefox-esr is a symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr |
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| 20:02.01 | Magnus_K | yeah, same here but it only lists a few files |
| 20:02.13 | Magnus_K | non which are ffmpeg |
| 20:02.42 | gnarface | hmm. you are right. |
| 20:04.31 | Magnus_K | I was thinking that the chromium dependencies might do tha trick |
| 20:05.10 | Magnus_K | but it's a script too |
| 20:05.36 | gnarface | dependencies can have other dependencies, this is starting to get beyond my level of expertise with how libraries link together |
| 20:06.23 | gnarface | firefox might also spawn sub-processes that are actually separate binaries |
| 20:06.32 | Magnus_K | mine too, but you've been very helpful |
| 20:06.57 | Magnus_K | thanks, nice to ppick up some new things too :-) |
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| 23:20.16 | frabbit | *sigh* that beep disableing just works partially... |
| 23:48.18 | golinux | frabbit: This works for me in startup sessions: "xset b off" But I think your situations is more complicated than that so probably just wasted bits. |
| 23:57.25 | frabbit | golinux: seems like that this works under x, i will add it to my .xinit then thx ;). i still have beeps in other situations, 4 ex. when i shutdown the computer... so weird that i have to disable different things... |
