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| 01:05.10 | vsnu | Sup everyone. Trying to figure out if I'm calling a C function incorrectly, or if there's a bug. I'm trying to use sleep(seconds) in an infinite 'while' loop. This kind of thing can be done pretty easily in a shell loop. But, the C program will lock up, process everything, then output everything all at once. Is this normal behavior? |
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| 01:41.18 | stovepipe | fsmithred: his is in legacy mode but UEFI capable, my T510's are not UEFI capable |
| 01:41.48 | stovepipe | he says he had to put it in legacy mode to boot the USB... i doubt this is true but i havent walked through any of that with him |
| 01:42.08 | stovepipe | about to test on this machine, T520 is UEFI capable |
| 01:42.37 | stovepipe | both T510's had the same result |
| 02:12.29 | fsmithred | stovepipe, my T420 is set to legacy and won't boot from usb. I have to chainload from cdrom to grub on hard disk and then to the usb. Probably needs updated bios. |
| 02:12.57 | fsmithred | and the isos should all boot on uefi with the exception of the minimal-live |
| 02:14.08 | stovepipe | just tested the T520, with and without UEFI and in text mode |
| 02:14.10 | stovepipe | for sanity |
| 02:14.20 | stovepipe | same result, different files |
| 02:14.39 | stovepipe | this time it wanted 2, 6000g2a-6 and 6000g2a-5 |
| 02:15.09 | stovepipe | next trying a different mirror i guess |
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| 02:16.10 | stovepipe | fsmithred: interesting my T520 boots usb in legacy only mode |
| 02:16.21 | stovepipe | i thought they were almost identical |
| 02:16.41 | stovepipe | oh updated bios, yeah maybe |
| 02:16.49 | stovepipe | mine are all up to the latest available |
| 02:17.14 | stovepipe | the other dude never did |
| 02:17.45 | stovepipe | also the other dude tried debian like 6 months ago and had the same result |
| 02:17.49 | tocsa | I'm on ceres/beowulf. Most of my xfce4 packages are 4.14 now since summer, but the main xfce4 package is still only 4.12, because one package holds it back: the xcfe4-session is only 4.12 |
| 02:18.02 | stovepipe | and there is also the fact that the devuan 2.0 images all work fine |
| 02:18.09 | tocsa | Anyone else is in the same situation as me? |
| 02:19.32 | stovepipe | also i installed antix recently on one of the T510's and that worked also |
| 02:19.42 | furrywolf | xfce4-session is probably something where each release needs to be modified to work without systemd |
| 02:19.58 | furrywolf | and no one has fixed the newer version yet |
| 02:22.20 | tocsa | @furrywolf interesting. Makes sense. I see that the xfce 4.14 would be available though. I wish I had time to help with this. Can Gentoo help us out just like with elogind? |
| 02:22.42 | furrywolf | I'm not sure. I'm mostly a tester/complainer, not a dev. |
| 02:24.37 | golinux | tocsa: That will be fixed after the beowulf release when we set up Chimaera (bullseye) |
| 02:25.17 | tocsa | What's your opinion about https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 ? Can we hope it'll yield some result which will help transitioning to a less systemd dominated world? |
| 02:26.40 | tocsa | @golinux Thx for the info. The system is mostly working OK (with workarounds), so I'll be patient. There was an occasion when I wanted to mirror my displays instead of extending it, and the selection was greyed out. I believe it'll be fixed in 4.14. |
| 02:27.09 | furrywolf | just skimming the voting, it looks like the result will be quite the opposite, with "focus on systemd" winning. |
| 02:28.56 | golinux | That shouldn't surprise you. |
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| 02:34.03 | agris | I just installed OpenRC 40 in devuan Ascii |
| 02:34.09 | agris | It's very broken |
| 02:34.25 | agris | it's not actually running any of the daemon scripts |
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| 02:38.29 | furrywolf | sadly, there's no option there for "kill systemd with fire". |
| 02:38.44 | agris | you talking about the debian gr? |
| 02:39.26 | furrywolf | yep |
| 02:39.36 | fsmithred | tocsa, xfce display settings in beowulf are already better than before. I no longer need to install lxrandr. I can't test with two monitors right now. |
| 02:39.49 | agris | furrywolf, I asked about that |
| 02:40.37 | agris | they told me I was a troll and said "you only don't like systemd for religious reasons" despite never saying such |
| 02:41.13 | agris | very very immature |
| 02:41.19 | agris | very unprofessional |
| 02:41.24 | agris | and close minded |
| 02:41.36 | tocsa | That's so sad |
| 02:41.37 | furrywolf | I'm pretty sure neither of us is allowed to vote in it. |
| 02:42.00 | golinux | Please tqake it to #debianfork |
| 02:42.01 | tocsa | Looked like to me it's open for Debian developers |
| 02:42.20 | golinux | This is a Devuan support channel |
| 02:42.49 | agris | well the results are going to get skewed because they alienated half their developers and those developers are now Devuan developers if I understand correctly and what people are saying the the archived forums is true |
| 02:42.56 | furrywolf | if debian decides to expunge all support for non-systemd inits, that rather makes devuan's development harder. |
| 02:43.17 | fsmithred | wishes we had that many devs |
| 02:43.21 | agris | What is there left for Beowulf to release? |
| 02:43.49 | fsmithred | not sure. A few packages. Installer isos. Live isos. |
| 02:43.51 | agris | fsmithred, there's no other option if you need something as stable and polished as Devuan without systemd |
| 02:44.02 | agris | the only other thing, Hyperbola is based on Arch |
| 02:44.16 | agris | fsmithred, do you know where I could find out? |
| 02:44.22 | rdav | can anybody share where are the Debian GR vote results posted? |
| 02:44.23 | agris | because I really want to use openrc 40 |
| 02:44.25 | stovepipe | fsmithred: the sums are different |
| 02:44.40 | fsmithred | which checksums? |
| 02:44.41 | stovepipe | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 02:44.48 | stovepipe | on taht leaseweb mirror |
| 02:45.27 | stovepipe | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 02:45.31 | furrywolf | rdav: I don't think results will be posted until voting closes. |
| 02:45.59 | agris | What is this a matter of? |
| 02:46.00 | rdav | furrywolf: thanks |
| 02:46.17 | stovepipe | testing the other image now |
| 02:46.20 | furrywolf | I suspect, however, having more devs second the only-systemd option than any of the others is an indicator of the likely result. |
| 02:46.26 | agris | If it's really just a matter of someone creating scripts, as soon as someone can tell me WHERE to put openrc-run scripts I can start submitting |
| 02:47.03 | fsmithred | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 is what the SHA256SUMS file says. I'll check it. |
| 02:47.08 | agris | I have no idea where any of this is being coordinated |
| 02:47.15 | agris | besides this chatroom |
| 02:47.24 | stovepipe | fsmithred: yeah from the leaseweb one |
| 02:47.28 | agris | and nobody seems to know what's the status on beowulf either |
| 02:47.30 | stovepipe | the second one i posted is from another mirror |
| 02:47.38 | stovepipe | there is no reason for them to be different |
| 02:47.40 | fsmithred | I'm looking at files.devuan.org |
| 02:48.06 | fsmithred | bad download by leaseweb? |
| 02:48.09 | stovepipe | i mean, arent they all distributed from the same source and should be identical |
| 02:48.20 | fsmithred | the file says something different there? |
| 02:48.20 | stovepipe | the sumfile has the bad sum in it also |
| 02:48.24 | stovepipe | yes |
| 02:48.25 | fsmithred | fuck |
| 02:48.32 | stovepipe | malicious mirror? |
| 02:48.38 | fsmithred | link please |
| 02:48.52 | stovepipe | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ |
| 02:49.05 | stovepipe | yup, the image from another mirror works |
| 02:49.06 | stovepipe | fuck me |
| 02:49.23 | stovepipe | i knew i should have checked that last night heh |
| 02:50.15 | fsmithred | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 02:50.20 | fsmithred | that's the one I used |
| 02:50.36 | stovepipe | yeah that one works for me now |
| 02:51.07 | stovepipe | theres no reason for the SHA256SUMS files to ever be different |
| 02:51.15 | stovepipe | yet they are, and match the files |
| 02:51.24 | stovepipe | that smells like a rat |
| 02:51.52 | tocsa | @fsmithred yea, mostly I don't have any problem either |
| 02:52.26 | fsmithred | hang on stovepipe. I might know what happened, but I need to check a couple things. |
| 02:53.01 | stovepipe | did you push an update or something that didnt get picked up |
| 02:53.21 | agris | fsmithred, what's going on? a malicious ISO? |
| 02:58.10 | stovepipe | agris: iso sums and SHA256SUMS from leaseweb dont match other mirrors |
| 02:58.26 | stovepipe | for 2.1 |
| 02:58.35 | stovepipe | the 2.0 stuff checks out |
| 02:58.50 | agris | stovepipe, have you determined the intent? Is it malicious or disk corruption |
| 02:58.58 | stovepipe | just realized it moments ago |
| 02:59.10 | stovepipe | after trying to troubleshoot a problem with the iso since last night |
| 02:59.21 | stovepipe | not loading wireless firmware |
| 03:00.06 | stovepipe | agris: there is no reason for the SHA256SUMS ever to have different sums in it |
| 03:00.33 | stovepipe | unless the release was pushed twice and one didnt get it or something |
| 03:01.04 | fsmithred | I don't think it's malicious |
| 03:01.12 | fsmithred | still checking some stuff |
| 03:01.21 | fsmithred | 029a81a06afe8823b6c556e28fa16f9390d11f985b83f499949e96bd993b66b6 devuan_ascii_2.1_i386_netinst.iso |
| 03:02.31 | fsmithred | that's what's on files.devuan.org - I just logged into that server and checked. |
| 03:02.41 | fsmithred | Nov 19 date on that file |
| 03:02.47 | agris | I don't see any difference on leaseweb |
| 03:02.50 | furrywolf | belltower.us is using an expired cert, need to prod the admin or remove it from the list |
| 03:02.57 | fsmithred | Mine is from Oct 21 and might be a pre-release build |
| 03:03.31 | fsmithred | stovepipe, I believe you are correct about twice |
| 03:03.39 | fsmithred | pretty sure that's what happened |
| 03:04.01 | fsmithred | check the sig on the SHA256SUMS file |
| 03:04.13 | stovepipe | oh yeah heh its the older one that works |
| 03:04.36 | furrywolf | the iso on sledjhamr is the same as the one on leaseweb |
| 03:04.43 | stovepipe | but is that the actual date |
| 03:05.04 | stovepipe | so the leaseweb one is the latest official, but is also the broken one? |
| 03:05.26 | fsmithred | the one on files.devuan.org would be the latest |
| 03:05.32 | fsmithred | that's where we upload them |
| 03:05.39 | onefang | sledjhamr is rsyncinc from files.devuan.org::devuan. |
| 03:06.41 | stovepipe | so then the new one is actually the broken one |
| 03:07.10 | stovepipe | good tiems! |
| 03:07.59 | furrywolf | files. is very slow. overloaded? |
| 03:11.33 | furrywolf | can't sha256sum it until it actually downloads. heh. |
| 03:12.18 | furrywolf | (or, rather, until it downloads to my linode - they'd cost $2/each to download at home, tomorrow. yay mobile data...) |
| 03:13.29 | onefang | My mirror checking script will eventually check ISO mirrors as well as packages mirrors, so it might catch this sort of thing in the future. |
| 03:14.04 | fsmithred | both SHA256SUM files (from f.d.o and from leaseweb) are signed with Ralph's key |
| 03:14.34 | fsmithred | so if the file you downloaded from leasweb matches the sum in the file at leaseweb, it's real. |
| 03:14.57 | fsmithred | stovepipe, which one works for you? |
| 03:15.14 | furrywolf | so far I've checked leaseweb, sledjhamr, and dotsrc, and they all were the same. trying to check files., but it's taking a long time to download. |
| 03:15.42 | stovepipe | fsmithred: the old one |
| 03:15.49 | stovepipe | same ine you were using |
| 03:16.17 | stovepipe | oct |
| 03:16.29 | fsmithred | ok |
| 03:16.31 | fsmithred | thanks |
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| 03:17.16 | stovepipe | 2095a33e874781d3995bc477ca83dfb6250552fa9ff2db4bc71423a37f42fb99 |
| 03:17.29 | stovepipe | also the dvd image was also broken btw |
| 03:17.58 | stovepipe | these are the two i tried that failed: |
| 03:17.59 | stovepipe | bf6629d949f51d0d874a47e4d9107a0f437c1f915bf816cae8f0ceef0ca0a1d5 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso |
| 03:17.59 | stovepipe | c16bebdeecdf452188ae4bb823cd5f1c0d2ed3a7a568332508943ce16f7e5c71 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.04 | stovepipe | oop heh |
| 03:18.22 | furrywolf | ok, I'm apparantly doing something wrong, or not understanding what the issue here is, as I'm getting identical isos from files. too. |
| 03:18.22 | stovepipe | these: |
| 03:18.23 | stovepipe | 44717ec9100b3ab6256bbc14c01b71bd013e9f064d8b28251992722463175d3f devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_dvd-1.iso |
| 03:18.24 | stovepipe | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.38 | stovepipe | are broken ones |
| 03:18.54 | furrywolf | here is the result of my testing, while we're flooding things: |
| 03:18.55 | furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 dotsrc-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.55 | furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 files-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.55 | furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 leaseweb-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.55 | furrywolf | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 sledjhamr-devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso |
| 03:18.55 | stovepipe | that i tested personally |
| 03:19.19 | furrywolf | I got the same iso from all four sources, including files. and leaseweb. |
| 03:19.46 | furrywolf | I don't see any mirror synchronization issues. |
| 03:19.48 | stovepipe | yeah those are the newer ones that are broken |
| 03:19.58 | furrywolf | ok... so it's not a mirror issue, then? |
| 03:20.09 | stovepipe | well yeah it is |
| 03:20.13 | stovepipe | somewhere |
| 03:20.18 | stovepipe | because they dont all have the same versions |
| 03:20.25 | stovepipe | and the oct 21 dated ones work |
| 03:20.29 | stovepipe | nov dont |
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| 03:20.46 | stovepipe | these work http://mirror.belltower.us/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ |
| 03:21.00 | stovepipe | by "work" i mean dont have the wireless firmware problem |
| 03:22.05 | furrywolf | ok, so belltower isn't updating, and probably should be removed from the mirror list, since their ssl cert is expired too. and we have a regression bug where the latest 2.1 release doesn't work while the previous 2.1 release does, entirely unrelated to mirrors. lol |
| 03:23.18 | furrywolf | hrmm. why don't install isos have a more-minor version number? seems we should have one, to make things like this obvious. |
| 03:23.52 | MinceR | they could have a date |
| 03:25.38 | stovepipe | fsmithred: where did you get your image from originally, the one that worked? also from belltower? |
| 03:25.44 | stovepipe | that would be quite a coincidence lol |
| 03:26.24 | fsmithred | no, I either got it from fdo or from Ralph's server |
| 03:26.29 | fsmithred | before it was released |
| 03:26.41 | fsmithred | who controls belltower? |
| 03:26.58 | onefang | Which one is Ralph's server? sledjhamr is mine. |
| 03:27.04 | fsmithred | borta |
| 03:27.13 | fsmithred | not a mirror |
| 03:28.06 | fsmithred | so I should download the newer one and test it. |
| 03:28.11 | fsmithred | tomorrow |
| 03:28.47 | agris | stovepipe, please re-download the ISO |
| 03:29.01 | agris | 321292be7928f7f09918affe1529283d571930ec4a93a2cce8e0ce0d494058e8 is the correct hash |
| 03:29.07 | furrywolf | agris: I think we've figured out the problem. |
| 03:29.29 | stovepipe | lol i'm way past that |
| 03:29.38 | stovepipe | the proper one is broken |
| 03:29.58 | furrywolf | agris: stovepipe used a mirror that isn't updating, and has an old iso. by some coincidence, there's a regression in the installer since then, and the old version works while the new one, on every other mirror, does not. |
| 03:29.59 | stovepipe | i had him use 2.0 and upgrade |
| 03:30.21 | stovepipe | fsmithred: oh so it was just an image you already had kicking around? |
| 03:30.29 | stovepipe | funny sequence of events |
| 03:30.58 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:31.10 | stovepipe | good thing it wasnt an important customer lol |
| 03:31.13 | fsmithred | same date as the belltower files |
| 03:31.15 | stovepipe | he dgaf |
| 03:31.22 | furrywolf | agris: there's two issues. the big one is the current version of the installer does not work on a system where an older version of the installer does work. the other one is that one of the mirrors isn't syncing. |
| 03:31.39 | stovepipe | and the added comfort that he had th4 same problem with debian heh |
| 03:31.55 | agris | furrywolf, stovepipe, <rrq> for some reason I updated some 2.1 iso I believe.. I would have re-signed, but if it's wrong, it's wrong. |
| 03:32.19 | fsmithred | yeah, I don't remember the reason it was updated |
| 03:32.38 | fsmithred | I'm downloading the newer iso now to see if I can reproduce the problem |
| 03:33.30 | stovepipe | furrywolf: and no my original issue was with the current one not loading wireless firmware, i didnt notice the old working one until just a little while ago which started the mirror questions |
| 03:33.48 | stovepipe | happened to click on an old one by accident while testing another mirror for sanity |
| 03:33.54 | stovepipe | since fsmithred had a working one |
| 03:33.59 | stovepipe | it almost got away! |
| 03:34.09 | onefang | lol |
| 03:34.14 | furrywolf | whomever maintains the mirror list shoud poke belltower's admin and determine if it'll be fixed or if it should be removed from the mirror list |
| 03:34.49 | onefang | I'm only maintaining the package mirrors at the moment. |
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| 03:35.14 | furrywolf | this has come up before, but I don't remember who figured out has the job of removing dead mirrors. lol |
| 03:35.24 | onefang | Don't think I have the keys for the files mirror list. |
| 03:36.14 | onefang | I think the only ISO mirrors list is on the web page, but I might be wrong about that. |
| 03:37.22 | onefang | Unless there's a master list on files.devuan.org? |
| 03:41.34 | furrywolf | brb |
| 03:44.45 | agris | I've always just use bittorrent to download the releases |
| 03:45.22 | stovepipe | i was originally dealing with a remote user |
| 03:46.05 | stovepipe | i usually use wget in a term |
| 03:47.37 | agris | speaking of mirrors |
| 03:47.54 | agris | it would be interesting to see an IPFS based apt |
| 03:48.00 | fsmithred | stovepipe, I'm imaging a usb now. Will test in a little while. |
| 03:48.29 | stovepipe | fsmithred: another new one to push out? |
| 03:48.35 | agris | all you would have to do is adjust ipns resource to the correct directory containing the new tree |
| 03:48.53 | agris | but ipfs probably needs to mature more before that |
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| 03:50.49 | fsmithred | no, I'm testing the one that's on fdo now |
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| 03:52.59 | fsmithred | ok, I don't need to go very far. Like your customer, I got asked to plug in media with firmware. |
| 03:53.10 | fsmithred | there's no /firmware directory with links to the packages |
| 03:56.08 | stovepipe | funny how i clicked on that one mirror for m y sanity test |
| 03:56.14 | stovepipe | chaos rules |
| 03:56.44 | stovepipe | you are going to have to respin new images though right |
| 03:57.06 | onefang | Once my mirror checker script is checking ISO mirrors, the chaos will be automated. |
| 03:57.13 | stovepipe | heh |
| 03:57.16 | stovepipe | famous last words! |
| 03:57.27 | stovepipe | automated chaos is best chaos |
| 04:00.35 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:01.04 | MinceR | does being inherent to the fabric of reality count as "automated"? |
| 04:01.21 | stovepipe | indeed |
| 04:01.45 | onefang | My scripting skills only go so far, fabric of reality is above my pay grade. |
| 04:01.57 | MinceR | :> |
| 04:04.46 | fsmithred | we could just tell everyone to go alt-F2 and make the symlinks manually. :P |
| 04:05.02 | golinux | ugh |
| 04:05.28 | fsmithred | you don't use wireless |
| 04:06.05 | furrywolf | the sad thing is, I've _always_ had to manually copy firmware. for debian too. putting it in the second partition never works. |
| 04:07.01 | furrywolf | nor does putting it on another usb key, in /, /firmware, or /lib/firmware... |
| 04:07.22 | fsmithred | that's what we have tried to avoid |
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| 07:05.09 | tocsa | Just by curiosity, anyone has a guess why an ufw firewall stops working with such an error? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1197640/ufw-init-errors-out-with-bad-argument-drop |
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| 18:47.25 | eyalroz | Hello Devuaners... |
| 18:47.26 | eyalroz | A question about sound-related console noise if I may. |
| 18:47.46 | eyalroz | I use audacious. When I pause the audio playing, I get: |
| 18:47.48 | eyalroz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.59 | eyalroz | and when unpausing, I get: |
| 18:47.59 | eyalroz | snd_pcm_pause failed: File descriptor in bad state |
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| 18:48.51 | eyalroz | who's at fault? Is it my hardware, audacious, or something else? |
| 18:49.11 | eyalroz | (using Devuan Bewolf btw) |
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| 20:53.56 | filipdevuan_ | yo |
| 20:57.40 | Oldmoss | Updating from Jessie to Ascii - should I do that from "root terminal" or is sudo enough? I see the example on devuan.org is using root2 |
| 20:57.59 | Oldmoss | root@ |
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| 21:09.59 | fsmithred | Oldmoss, either will work |
| 21:10.11 | fsmithred | assuming you have sudo enabled for all commands |
| 21:10.34 | fsmithred | (all the right commands) |
| 21:11.31 | Oldmoss | ok. thanks! I'll give it a try on this laptop first, I have another one with Jessie that i have trouble with |
| 21:11.58 | Oldmoss | And two with older ascii installs that I have some trouble with too |
| 21:17.59 | fsmithred | what kind of trouble? |
| 21:18.38 | Oldmoss | Thunar windows getting unresponsive |
| 21:18.59 | Oldmoss | and i have two synaptic in the menu |
| 21:20.11 | Oldmoss | I may have messed up some rights... sometimes i cannot get stuff downloaded via browser |
| 21:21.57 | Oldmoss | thats the ascii installs btw |
| 21:22.15 | Oldmoss | the other Jessie install I cannot remebmer, its been awhile |
| 21:22.54 | Oldmoss | I think I will just try to get the important stuff out of it and make a clean install |
| 21:23.34 | Oldmoss | I'm getting flashback when I tried Mint and another one in Virtualbox on my mac |
| 21:24.20 | Oldmoss | after some time I just kind of lost control and they became unusable |
| 21:24.52 | fsmithred | you keep thunar set to show detailed list? |
| 21:24.52 | Oldmoss | I'm not good at this. but I try |
| 21:25.40 | Oldmoss | yes, with various columns |
| 21:26.05 | fsmithred | it's known to lock up some times in that setting |
| 21:26.16 | fsmithred | I keep it like that and it hardly ever happens, but when it does |
| 21:26.34 | fsmithred | if you can catch it quickly, use the key combinations to change the display |
| 21:26.58 | fsmithred | I think it's ctrl-1,2,3 for icons, short list, detailed list |
| 21:27.02 | fsmithred | probably not in that order |
| 21:27.19 | Oldmoss | thanks, i'll experiment with that |
| 21:27.43 | fsmithred | clean install is easier unless you have a ton of extra software that you added |
| 21:27.53 | Oldmoss | Oh, now I have a novel to read about changes and advices from jessie to ascii |
| 21:28.08 | golinux | I have never had Thunar lock up |
| 21:28.33 | Oldmoss | I have a ton of unnessesary software I have played around with :) |
| 21:29.27 | fsmithred | um, yeah, I know that one |
| 21:32.12 | Oldmoss | hm, lots of text about the xorg server after upgrading to ascii |
| 21:33.10 | Oldmoss | "xorg-server (2:1.17.3-1) unstable; urgency=medium" - should I panic or just try to be cool and nod a little |
| 21:33.56 | Oldmoss | ok, I just restart and see what happens |
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| 23:36.46 | tuxd3v | for uboot you build with defconfig: 'A20-OLinuXino-Lime2_defconfig' ? |
| 23:36.56 | tuxd3v | sorru guys |
| 23:36.59 | tuxd3v | wrong place :S |