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| 02:28.16 | stovepipe | whats with the intel drivers missing on install now |
| 02:28.37 | stovepipe | some new shady lawyerisms? |
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| 02:45.08 | stovepipe | no intel wireless/ethernet during install on 2.1 |
| 02:45.10 | stovepipe | 2.0 is fine |
| 02:45.23 | stovepipe | not so good for walking people through it over the fone heh |
| 02:46.17 | stovepipe | assuming using 2.0 media and upgrading will be an acceptable result |
| 02:46.59 | stovepipe | but i would like to hear the details about why that is the case |
| 02:47.15 | golinux | Not intentional |
| 02:47.32 | stovepipe | debian is the same i guess right |
| 02:47.50 | stovepipe | so whats the current solution? |
| 02:48.04 | fsmithred | debian doesn't include the non-free firmware on their regular isos |
| 02:48.14 | golinux | Have you tried a Debian install? |
| 02:48.26 | stovepipe | why would i do that heh |
| 02:48.31 | golinux | Ah, right. |
| 02:48.42 | stovepipe | all the search engine responses are debian though |
| 02:49.02 | fsmithred | I do a debian install at least once every few months just for a reality check |
| 02:49.06 | golinux | But it should be included on Devuan isos |
| 02:49.35 | stovepipe | it would be hard to miss during testing since its the intel crap thats literally everywhere |
| 02:49.56 | golinux | I'd actually forgotten that Debian does not include firmware |
| 02:50.06 | stovepipe | so i assume theres no glaring differences between 2.0 and 2.1 |
| 02:50.41 | fsmithred | the most important difference between the older and newer installer isos is that the newer ones have newer version of apt |
| 02:50.44 | golinux | https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-point-release-announce-112119 |
| 02:50.48 | fsmithred | which got an important patch |
| 02:51.22 | stovepipe | i'm having the customer install with 2.0 and upgrade |
| 02:51.29 | fsmithred | that'll work |
| 02:52.14 | golinux | fsmithred: Why isn't the firmware on 2.1? |
| 02:52.17 | fsmithred | I didn't test 2.1 on hardware install on anything that had wireless |
| 02:52.29 | fsmithred | it is there |
| 02:52.48 | fsmithred | and you get asked about nonfree and contrib if you choose expert install |
| 02:53.17 | stovepipe | oh |
| 02:53.21 | fsmithred | but I don't know if it automatically installs firmware on regular install like 2.0 did |
| 02:53.27 | stovepipe | so they are on the install media? |
| 02:53.30 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 02:53.40 | fsmithred | in /firmware |
| 02:53.59 | fsmithred | (which are all symlinks to the packages in /pool) |
| 02:54.17 | fsmithred | do you know which firmware package is needed? |
| 02:54.23 | fsmithred | there are at least three for intel |
| 02:54.32 | golinux | I thought you had to use expert to AVOID non-free not to get it! |
| 02:54.42 | fsmithred | yeah, that's correct |
| 02:54.54 | fsmithred | had to use expert and choose a mirror |
| 02:55.46 | golinux | From the install instructions: "If you would like to select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or exclude non-free firmware, you must select one of the Expert install options." |
| 02:56.59 | golinux | non-free firmware should be available on all the install media |
| 02:57.45 | stovepipe | fsmithred: i didnt take note if the details |
| 02:57.54 | stovepipe | oh but i know which laptop the customer has |
| 02:58.02 | fsmithred | :) |
| 02:58.20 | stovepipe | https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-005R-000A5 |
| 02:59.01 | stovepipe | i'm testing on my T510 and its doing it also |
| 02:59.40 | stovepipe | so wait, will the expert mode work or not lol |
| 02:59.45 | fsmithred | iwlwifi |
| 02:59.55 | stovepipe | i have to see for myself so i dont run into it again |
| 03:00.00 | fsmithred | expert should ask you about contrib/nonfree |
| 03:00.12 | fsmithred | and also about deb-src |
| 03:00.57 | fsmithred | and I can't test that because I just gave away the laptop with the intel wireless |
| 03:02.45 | fsmithred | you're sure it didn't install? |
| 03:03.24 | stovepipe | yup, wouldnt config network at all, wireless or ethernet |
| 03:03.39 | stovepipe | i cant have a customer going through this expert install |
| 03:03.47 | fsmithred | did you make sure that wicd knew what interface to look for? |
| 03:03.49 | stovepipe | over the fone from 100 miles away lol |
| 03:03.59 | stovepipe | 2.0 installer finds it all fine |
| 03:05.21 | stovepipe | 2.1 spits out the error: the missing firmware files are: iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode |
| 03:06.12 | fsmithred | oh |
| 03:06.17 | fsmithred | so it does find it |
| 03:06.26 | fsmithred | and 2.0 works on the laptop in question? |
| 03:06.32 | stovepipe | yup |
| 03:06.33 | stovepipe | both |
| 03:06.35 | stovepipe | his and mine |
| 03:06.36 | fsmithred | shit |
| 03:06.48 | stovepipe | he's using netinst 2.0 right now |
| 03:06.55 | stovepipe | installing |
| 03:07.20 | stovepipe | i'm just fiddling so i know what to expect in the future |
| 03:12.10 | stovepipe | feel free to ask for testing that in the future, i have T510's and T520's |
| 03:12.35 | stovepipe | i'm always on freenode if i'm not in here |
| 03:14.58 | fsmithred | I'm going to test the netinstall on a laptop that has realtek wireless |
| 03:15.10 | fsmithred | see if it does what I expect |
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| 03:19.37 | fsmithred | if I'm lucky, it'll get to the tasksel window before I fall asleep |
| 03:20.47 | stovepipe | the only other wireless i have is an old athlon xp with a rt2500 |
| 03:21.14 | stovepipe | actually i think that has 2.0 on it |
| 03:21.57 | stovepipe | for IRC from the garage! |
| 03:22.20 | fsmithred | I had an xp, but the second motherboard died, and that was the end of that |
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| 03:30.56 | fsmithred | install is partly done. I can chroot into /target and I see contrib and non-free in sources.list, and firmware-realtek is installed |
| 03:31.24 | fsmithred | I chose regular install (non-expert, non-graphical) |
| 03:32.02 | fsmithred | it saw the wireless card and ethernet at the beginning and asked me which one to use. I chose ethernet. |
| 03:34.41 | stovepipe | both wireless and wired fail with the intel |
| 03:35.01 | stovepipe | shows no options |
| 03:35.27 | stovepipe | i went through with the install anyway and it just doesnt configure any network at all |
| 03:37.22 | stovepipe | must not be many people doing fresh installs with 2.1 yet |
| 03:37.33 | stovepipe | i didnt even know it was there until i went to send the customer an iso url |
| 03:37.56 | fsmithred | wired connection doesn't work??? |
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| 03:41.43 | fsmithred | stovepipe, do you know where the preferences are in wicd? |
| 03:41.53 | fsmithred | make sure the default interfaces are in there |
| 03:42.13 | stovepipe | well, dont have taht scenario available |
| 03:42.22 | stovepipe | you mean like after install |
| 03:42.27 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 03:42.35 | stovepipe | yeah i never let it finish |
| 03:42.51 | fsmithred | it wouldn't connect to do the netinstall? |
| 03:43.06 | stovepipe | too much to mess with for any customer so i'm avoiding all that entirely |
| 03:43.09 | stovepipe | nope |
| 03:43.23 | stovepipe | even the full dvd image wouldnt config any network or mirrors or anything |
| 03:43.23 | fsmithred | you want them to have xfce desktop? |
| 03:43.33 | stovepipe | yeah usually |
| 03:43.46 | fsmithred | if you use the desktop-live, the firmware is already installed |
| 03:44.03 | stovepipe | its already underway with the 2.0 netinst, then upgrade |
| 03:44.05 | stovepipe | no big deal |
| 03:44.08 | fsmithred | ok |
| 03:44.10 | stovepipe | just didnt look too good heh |
| 03:44.18 | fsmithred | yeah, I understand |
| 03:44.43 | fsmithred | will have to find someone else to test the same thing |
| 03:44.52 | golinux | grumbles |
| 03:45.15 | fsmithred | you don't own a laptop that needs iwlwifi, so you're off the hook |
| 03:46.18 | stovepipe | what did you want to test, config network after install? |
| 03:46.36 | fsmithred | no, I want to reproduce your problem if possible |
| 03:46.44 | stovepipe | oh |
| 03:46.58 | fsmithred | I want to know if there's a problem with the firmware package in the iso |
| 03:47.18 | stovepipe | my T510's are from like 2011, his dell is from like 2015 |
| 03:47.46 | fsmithred | and you got the same problem with both laptops at different locations? |
| 03:47.49 | stovepipe | yup |
| 03:48.00 | fsmithred | and different isos |
| 03:48.03 | stovepipe | both dvd and netinst |
| 03:48.47 | stovepipe | tried both on both machines |
| 03:49.20 | fsmithred | amd64? |
| 03:49.25 | stovepipe | yup |
| 03:50.43 | stovepipe | i have another customer laptop here i can test it on, newer HP |
| 03:50.48 | fsmithred | I just passed the word along in #devuan-dev |
| 03:51.00 | stovepipe | once its done with what its doing |
| 03:55.14 | fsmithred | stovepipe, when you told me the .ucode file that was missing, did you type that or copy/paste? |
| 03:55.20 | fsmithred | iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode |
| 03:55.34 | stovepipe | i copied what the other person typed |
| 03:55.40 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 03:55.46 | fsmithred | doesn't count |
| 03:55.50 | stovepipe | heh |
| 03:55.53 | fsmithred | iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode |
| 03:56.01 | stovepipe | i saw a similar message but didnt look closely at it |
| 03:56.03 | fsmithred | is in the firmware package |
| 03:56.18 | fsmithred | iwlwwifi-3160-17.ucode has an extra w |
| 03:56.22 | stovepipe | i'm in limbo now |
| 03:56.32 | stovepipe | yeah i see that, typo obv |
| 03:56.46 | stovepipe | well, i hope |
| 03:57.10 | stovepipe | i'll get back to you on that once this finishes |
| 03:57.29 | fsmithred | sleepy time here |
| 03:57.43 | stovepipe | you can check that the typo was his though right |
| 03:57.52 | stovepipe | and not in the iso |
| 03:57.53 | fsmithred | I'll be back in about 6 or 7 hours |
| 03:57.59 | stovepipe | heh ok cya |
| 03:58.13 | fsmithred | well, I'm wonder if there's a typo in the install script |
| 03:58.17 | fsmithred | wondering |
| 03:58.24 | stovepipe | yeah i'll verify that in a bit |
| 03:58.43 | stovepipe | i need more usb sticks... |
| 03:59.23 | stovepipe | but what are the odds of there being a typo for both the wireless and the ethernet... |
| 03:59.59 | stovepipe | also theres this https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:00.02 | fsmithred | if they both use the same ucode file, maybe not so remote |
| 04:00.03 | stovepipe | oop |
| 04:00.05 | stovepipe | wrong link |
| 04:00.18 | stovepipe | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-provide-non-free-firmware-files-to-the-debian-jessie-installer-4175542680/ |
| 04:00.36 | stovepipe | old but similar |
| 04:01.04 | fsmithred | oh! |
| 04:01.19 | fsmithred | I have that firmware installed on a T420 |
| 04:01.26 | fsmithred | duh |
| 04:01.47 | stovepipe | yeah T420 is almost the same as these that i have |
| 04:02.10 | stovepipe | T510/20 |
| 04:02.33 | stovepipe | lol installer wont use the touchpad, but touching it wakes up the blank screen |
| 04:02.37 | stovepipe | neat |
| 04:03.40 | fsmithred | md5sum of /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode is the same as in the netinstall iso |
| 04:04.03 | fsmithred | and it works here |
| 04:10.17 | stovepipe | hrm |
| 04:11.56 | stovepipe | how can that be |
| 04:12.08 | stovepipe | we are using the same images from the same mirror |
| 04:12.16 | stovepipe | https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ |
| 04:14.00 | stovepipe | but the iso sums check out |
| 04:14.46 | stovepipe | ok booting installer again |
| 04:15.53 | stovepipe | oops no tahts 2.0 heh |
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| 04:18.28 | fsmithred | try a different package mirror |
| 04:19.15 | stovepipe | ok booted 2.1, heres the message on the T510 |
| 04:19.29 | fsmithred | during the install, select pkgmaster.devuan.org for now |
| 04:19.30 | stovepipe | iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode |
| 04:19.43 | fsmithred | different file |
| 04:19.45 | stovepipe | it doesnt even get that far |
| 04:19.51 | stovepipe | yeah different file, same error |
| 04:20.06 | fsmithred | the file is in the package |
| 04:20.22 | fsmithred | something weird is going on |
| 04:21.13 | fsmithred | do you get asked to select ethernet or wireless at the beginning of the install? |
| 04:21.22 | stovepipe | no eth error this time, works |
| 04:21.45 | stovepipe | maybe he didnt plug it into ethernet, its possible |
| 04:21.59 | fsmithred | oh, maybe |
| 04:22.14 | stovepipe | so if he had, and installed, what then for wireless |
| 04:22.24 | stovepipe | if i have to walk people though complicated shit i will jump out a window |
| 04:22.25 | fsmithred | the standard debian way is to use a wire for the install and then add the firmware later |
| 04:22.49 | stovepipe | yeah so is that something you guys changed that just slipped by this time? |
| 04:22.50 | fsmithred | are you expecting them to be able to use synaptic to install packages? |
| 04:23.08 | fsmithred | no, we decided to put nonfree firmware on the isos |
| 04:23.19 | stovepipe | heh they do it on the command line like i tell them to or i do it remotely after install |
| 04:23.25 | fsmithred | ok |
| 04:23.35 | fsmithred | apt install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:23.42 | stovepipe | ok |
| 04:23.50 | fsmithred | reboot (probably not necessary) |
| 04:24.10 | stovepipe | i can live witht hat |
| 04:24.18 | fsmithred | when they open wicd, easiest thing is to tell them to maximize the window |
| 04:24.20 | stovepipe | he's already up and running now anyway from the 2.0 installer |
| 04:24.27 | fsmithred | then they'll see Preferences in the menu bar |
| 04:24.31 | fsmithred | ok |
| 04:24.33 | stovepipe | but its bound to happen again |
| 04:24.37 | fsmithred | apt update && apt upgrade |
| 04:24.38 | stovepipe | i just want to be prepared |
| 04:24.59 | fsmithred | make sure wlan0 is in the box for default wireless interface |
| 04:26.22 | fsmithred | I think I have a spare partition on the thinkpad. I'll test there, too. |
| 04:26.25 | stovepipe | pleasant dreams! |
| 04:26.30 | fsmithred | g'night |
| 04:26.47 | stovepipe | and tnx |
| 04:29.18 | stovepipe | funny, the first things it upgrades from 2.0 netinst are firmware iwlwifi and kernel |
| 04:30.03 | stovepipe | oh, i'm not even connected to anything |
| 04:31.33 | stovepipe | ok, the response is the same anyway |
| 04:36.03 | stovepipe | no tap to click out of the box? |
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| 05:10.01 | stovepipe | works for him at least lol |
| 05:10.14 | stovepipe | but i remember last time i had 2.0 on this machine the tap worked |
| 05:10.18 | stovepipe | weird |
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| 06:38.55 | bleb | hi, anyone know where i'd find the plaintext keymap for the framebuffer console |
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| 06:43.40 | bleb | loadkeys(1) says it would be in /usr/share/keymaps but i dont have that directory |
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| 06:55.10 | debdog | seems to be installed via package console-data https://packages.debian.org/buster/all/console-data/filelist |
| 06:56.39 | bleb | ah |
| 06:56.43 | bleb | debdog: thanks |
| 06:56.47 | debdog | np |
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| 07:33.24 | systemdlete | I have an Ascii VM whose root filesystem is now readonly. It was working until at least early this morning here (less than 24 hours, figure). I did nothing to the system configuration. |
| 07:34.09 | systemdlete | I've checked the hardware on the host, including the gsmart -- there were apparently some internal hardware CRC errors on one disk, but I ran the test on the disk and it came back clean. |
| 07:34.30 | systemdlete | This is virtualbox, btw. |
| 07:34.47 | systemdlete | Looked through dmesg in guest, nothing suspicious or related to disk. |
| 07:35.25 | systemdlete | AH! |
| 07:35.50 | systemdlete | dmesg in guest shows aborted journal... ??? |
| 07:36.25 | systemdlete | DRIVER_TIMEOUT |
| 07:37.41 | systemdlete | 3 logical blocks got errors |
| 07:40.29 | systemdlete | hmmmm. There is mega running on this VM. And I've filed a bug or two with them already re their tools. |
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| 07:54.54 | systemdlete | some file system damage, but it all seems to have recovered. |
| 07:55.53 | systemdlete | Any light on this would be appreciated. Keep in mind this is an Ascii VM under vbox, and I am running Mega cloud sync on it. Until today, everything has worked pretty much flawlessly (short of a reproducible bug I filed against Mega) |
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| 07:57.16 | onefang | Usually the root filesystem is mounted so that it'll switch to read only mode on errors, and it looks like you got errors. I can't help with anything else. |
| 07:58.39 | systemdlete | Yeah, I learned that from googling also. I am a little bit suspicious of Mega. I haven't seen this kind of action anywhere else recently. Virtualbox also has its charms, but it is actually pretty reliable. |
| 07:59.45 | onefang | I don't use either. |
| 07:59.55 | systemdlete | gotcha. |
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| 08:00.25 | systemdlete | I still appreciate help/insight. |
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| 08:16.00 | omnio | systemdlete: I use megasync on devuan, mageia and kubuntu; never noticed any filesystem corruption because of it |
| 08:18.10 | omnio | I use ext4 in all those cases |
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| 08:26.43 | systemdlete | omnio: Are you using the MegaSync desktop app or the MegaCmd app? |
| 08:27.05 | systemdlete | I've had corruption when trying to use both on the same box/VM. |
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| 08:29.25 | omnio | the desktop app (the one that sits in system tray) - but on "physical" machines, not VM |
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| 09:04.16 | systemdlete | omnio: I'm thinking the physical vs VM aspect probably isn't the main issue, if this is a Mega issue at all. |
| 09:04.30 | systemdlete | Thanks for the info. |
| 09:05.47 | systemdlete | I've had this configuration (VM) running since mid-November at least, and had not seen an error of this kind. But before I go file anything with Mega, I'm just trying to narrow things down rather than clogging their queues up with one more issue that might not even be theirs. |
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| 09:11.28 | onefang | Did you check your hard disks S.M.A.R.T. data? Might be a hardware issue. |
| 09:12.38 | systemdlete | Well, considering this is in a VM, SMART doesn't directly apply here. But I did look for hardware problems on the host system, yes. Found nothing (see above) |
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| 15:14.32 | fsmithred | stovepipe, I'm installing from amd64 netinstall without wired network. It detected the wireless and is using it. The installed system has firmware-iwlwifi installed. I can't reproduce the problem. |
| 15:15.05 | fsmithred | If you are installing from usb, how did you prepare it? |
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| 15:36.11 | fsmithred | afk for next 4 hours |
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| 21:36.03 | Xanatos | o/ |
| 21:45.43 | debdog | o> |
| 21:48.07 | MinceR | \o/ |
| 21:49.09 | Xanatos | =) |
| 21:50.16 | Xanatos | some feedback about devuan testing ? |
| 21:50.31 | debdog | ok, unless you need wine |
| 21:51.10 | Xanatos | erf |
| 21:51.55 | debdog | well, compiling it should be fine |
| 21:52.01 | Xanatos | I get a new laptop with a gpu, for fun I test a game with wine |
| 21:52.28 | Xanatos | but it's optional, on my desktop I never user it |
| 21:52.29 | debdog | just not the packages. neither theones from debian nor the ones from winehq |
| 21:52.57 | Xanatos | ok ty for the info |
| 21:53.25 | Xanatos | 8cores and a gpu, welcome in 2020 ^^' |
| 21:53.48 | debdog | which GPU? |
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| 21:54.29 | Xanatos | a nvidia, wait I check, generally I don't care gpu |
| 21:58.45 | Xanatos | graaa |
| 21:59.00 | debdog | hrrhrr |
| 21:59.38 | Xanatos | well I just get intel chipset version, don't care |
| 21:59.49 | debdog | np |
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| 22:02.59 | Xanatos | 4th gen integrated graphic etc.. |
| 22:03.02 | Xanatos | so |
| 22:03.11 | Xanatos | not really important for me |
| 22:04.20 | Xanatos | so devuan testing any other feedback ? |
| 22:06.31 | debdog | Xanatos: 'bout the GPU, this link might (I am not certain, not up to date with modern hardware) comming handy http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.42/README/randr14.html |
| 22:07.09 | Xanatos | ahhh randr ^^ |
| 22:07.20 | debdog | esp. optimus |
| 22:08.03 | Xanatos | yep |
| 22:09.07 | debdog | aside from wine I have not (yet?) come across serious issues. I am not a power-user, though |
| 22:09.25 | Xanatos | so it's a "recent" laptop, I bought it to a friend of mine, but I don't know the exact gpu configuration, I was interested by other spec |
| 22:11.27 | Xanatos | yep, it will be a bonus if simulators/games will able run |
| 22:13.40 | Xanatos | about it, I don't like steam but they provides a big work about gaming on linux |
| 22:14.51 | mason | debdog: I forgot to add the i386 arch the other day, installing Steam on Devuan Beowulf. This isn't it for you, is it? |
| 22:15.45 | specing | Ah yes, keep playing proprietary games |
| 22:15.51 | specing | meanwhile no players in libre games |
| 22:16.11 | debdog | mason: sorry, I do not quite understand. so wine (or whatever steam uses) works now? |
| 22:18.08 | Xanatos | I stopped to play when I switched for 100% linux 10years ago |
| 22:18.10 | Xanatos | so |
| 22:19.03 | mason | debdog: I'm saying, if you had trouble installing Wine, maybe you forgot dpkg --add-architecture i386 first. |
| 22:19.20 | mason | debdog: I forgot it and was confused by not finding Steam. |
| 22:19.21 | debdog | mason: no, that wasn't the issue here |
| 22:19.26 | mason | debdog: I didn't see your specific issue. |
| 22:19.34 | mason | debdog: What was it, if you'd care to repeat it? |
| 22:19.43 | debdog | I think I've never talked about it here |
| 22:19.48 | Xanatos | but with a recent interest about models, I'm interested on simulators |
| 22:20.09 | Xanatos | ^^ |
| 22:20.33 | stovepipe | fsmithred: yeah it was usb, i used dd |
| 22:20.39 | Xanatos | mason, I see this mention on winehq documentation |
| 22:20.41 | stovepipe | the other guy used a windows tool |
| 22:20.49 | stovepipe | i used dd on freebsd |
| 22:21.20 | debdog | it's been a couple of weeks since I've tried and never really dove into it, mason. not able to provide a detailed description of the problem. it was somehting regarding wrong versioning of the i386 packages. |
| 22:21.37 | mason | debdog: Trying it now. I'll have a report in a moment. |
| 22:21.42 | stovepipe | fsmithred: i'm only here for a minute, back in a few hours |
| 22:21.54 | mason | debdog: winehq or base? |
| 22:22.01 | debdog | mason: any |
| 22:24.31 | debdog | there might be a solution for this on dev1galaxy, but it wasn't a top priority here so I decided to just sit it out |
| 22:27.10 | mason | debdog: Yeah, none of it works out of the box. If I get a chance I'll dig into it this weekend. |
| 22:27.26 | debdog | that'd be great! |
| 22:27.52 | stovepipe | fsmithred: he used rufus, and said the same thing happened to him when he tried to install debian previously |
| 22:27.57 | stovepipe | bbl |
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| 22:39.43 | mason | debdog: So, libwine:i386 depends on libpulse0:i386, which in turn depends on libsystemd0:i386, and that's the problem. PulseAudio strikes again. A source build will not have this issue. |
| 22:44.21 | debdog | mason: that was not the issue I've had |
| 22:44.33 | debdog | but, well, WIP, ting could change |
| 22:45.21 | debdog | *things |
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| 23:04.54 | rrq | debdog: I believe the version diffs btw amd66 and i386 are fewer now, and esp util-linux is sync'ed (which was the problem a while ago) |
| 23:05.27 | rrq | amd64 even |
| 23:09.43 | debdog | good to know. got to give it another trial the upcoming days |
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