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| 06:51.26 | se7en- | It seems that the SocksV onion is down for apt |
| 06:52.06 | se7en- | deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged |
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| 11:58.47 | yann-kaelig | Hi |
| 12:01.07 | yann-kaelig | I'm creating devuan packages from scratch, by taking example from others packages and debian documentation. |
| 12:02.23 | fsmithred | what packages? |
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| 12:03.28 | yann-kaelig | skarnet packages which are borken by design on debian and 66 frontend. |
| 12:04.14 | yann-kaelig | I'm noob on devuan packaging so it's a first try |
| 12:04.37 | fsmithred | cool. You might want to let folks know on dng mailing list and irc #devuan-dev |
| 12:05.59 | fsmithred | have you got any packages that work yet? |
| 12:06.16 | fsmithred | (BTW, I think the way you're doing it is pretty much what everyone does.) |
| 12:06.51 | yann-kaelig | not right now, I'm working on the control file for my first package skalibs-2.9.1.0 and I have a first question |
| 12:07.08 | fsmithred | ask |
| 12:07.24 | fsmithred | the answer may come in seconds, minutes, hours or days |
| 12:07.39 | yann-kaelig | lol |
| 12:09.10 | yann-kaelig | ok, well so I have executed dh_make -f ../skalibs-2.9.1.0.tar.gz , then I selected libs and what I notice is in the control file I do not have doc section for the package > Package: skalibs-doc |
| 12:09.24 | yann-kaelig | do I missed something, a dh_make option ? |
| 12:10.07 | fsmithred | well, I don't have the answer. I just include docs in the main package. |
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| 12:10.34 | fsmithred | I do know that if you're making several packages from the same source, you need separate sections for each in the control file. |
| 12:11.50 | fsmithred | paste your control file somewhere (not here) and maybe someone can see what's wrong |
| 12:13.50 | yann-kaelig | I take example on debian package. Also there is something different from my control file, library package has another naming scheme than mine. I suppose it's a chocie from the packager ? but perhaps somethign changed between debina and devuan. On the debina side, it's Package: libskarnet and on mine, dh_make produce skalibsBROKEN. I understand that I have to rename the package name, but well. I will stick with dh_make choice by |
| 12:13.50 | yann-kaelig | default |
| 12:14.29 | yann-kaelig | I will |
| 12:15.37 | fsmithred | where does the 'BROKEN' come from? |
| 12:15.54 | fsmithred | is that dh_make telling you there's a problem? |
| 12:16.36 | yann-kaelig | from dh_make after I choiced ' library' > "make sure you edit debian/control and change the Package: lines from skalibsBROKEN to something else, such as skalibs1 " |
| 12:18.24 | yann-kaelig | perhaps I should start with a single package , test it and after that start to split it in a next pkg release |
| 12:18.54 | fsmithred | that might work. |
| 12:19.04 | fsmithred | you say this package is in debian? |
| 12:19.13 | yann-kaelig | yes it is |
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| 12:19.58 | fsmithred | then it should also be in devuan, unless it requires systemd or is still in debian's experimental repo |
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| 12:21.14 | fsmithred | libskarnet2.7 in beowulf and 2.9 in ceres |
| 12:21.21 | fsmithred | they don't work? |
| 12:22.52 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 12:33.25 | fsmithred | yann-kaelig, here's the source repo. Did you clone this? https://salsa.debian.org/zhsj/skalibs |
| 12:33.41 | yann-kaelig | yes |
| 12:34.08 | fsmithred | does it build if you don't change anything? |
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| 19:26.34 | yann-kaelig | ok, very good :) Well. I will share everything as soon as I will have a system bootable with s6 and 66 frontend |
| 19:27.23 | yann-kaelig | time to take a break, cu later |
| 19:28.49 | yann-kaelig | The truth is devuan works perfectly with s6 and 66 but there is no package |
| 19:31.41 | yann-kaelig | and debian s6 package can not be used to get a bootable system, that why I need to write them |
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| 20:34.45 | mason | Hrm. There is no "steam" package available for Beowulf at present. |
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| 20:39.51 | Humpelstilzchen | my beowulf shows steam 1.0.0.59-4 |
| 20:40.24 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: I'm moving from deb.devuan.org to pkgmaster.devuan.org to see if it's just some lag |
| 20:42.26 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: What are you using in your sources.list? Not seeing it either way here. |
| 20:43.18 | Humpelstilzchen | mason: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main contrib non-free |
| 20:43.36 | Humpelstilzchen | note the non-free |
| 20:43.42 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: Yep, got that. |
| 20:44.26 | mason | Moving back to deb.devuan as pkgmaster gives me the same results. |
| 20:45.39 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: Did you 'apt update' to refresh? Can you share your 'apt-cache policy steam' on bpaste.net or similar, please? |
| 20:47.05 | Humpelstilzchen | mason: http://paste.debian.net/1120708/ |
| 20:47.47 | Humpelstilzchen | http://paste.debian.net/1120709/ without locale |
| 20:48.46 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: Thank you. I'm a cluebat. I didn't realize the package was i386-only. |
| 20:48.56 | mason | I'll add the arch. |
| 20:48.56 | Humpelstilzchen | :) |
| 20:50.09 | mason | Humpelstilzchen: We're replacing my oldest kid's computer with a Devuan box, and Steam will be critical there. :P |
| 20:53.52 | specing | mason: replace steam with foss games |
| 20:54.13 | mason | specing: I try to dabble in both. |
| 20:54.20 | mason | We're into 0ad lately. |
| 20:54.30 | specing | excellent |
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| 20:54.35 | specing | you can extend this further |
| 20:54.41 | specing | there are a lot of foss games out there |
| 20:54.52 | mason | Sure. Minetest is good, also. |
| 20:55.07 | mason | I'm less zealous about games being free than necessary software. |
| 20:55.27 | specing | games should be freer than other software |
| 20:55.27 | Humpelstilzchen | likes warzone |
| 20:55.52 | specing | because games are not necessary to function in this world |
| 20:56.01 | specing | so you can impose harsher restrictions on them |
| 20:56.45 | mason | specing: That's just it. I think thinks we need ought to be free. Games are closer to luxury items, and as such, it's not as harmful if you don't have them. |
| 20:57.05 | mason | But, yeah, if there's a free software equivalent, that's preferable. |
| 20:57.49 | specing | mason: yes, and hence you can demand FOSS games and refuse to play proprietary ones |
| 20:57.57 | specing | because they are luxury items and not needed |
| 20:58.27 | mason | specing: I could. I won't impose that on my kids until they decide they want to make that moral choice. Also, unrelated, we might want to move this to #debianfork. |
| 20:58.56 | sixwheeledbeast | Can't stop playing Mindustry at the moment. |
| 20:59.34 | mason | sixwheeledbeast: Oh, looks neat. I hadn't ever heard of that previously. Thanks for the reference. |
| 21:00.16 | sixwheeledbeast | It's very addictive source is available on github |
| 21:00.33 | sixwheeledbeast | Very well designed IMO |
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| 21:07.25 | mason | sixwheeledbeast: Want to hop over to #debianfork? Be better to discuss it there, and I'd like to do so. (I like the notion that you can use Steam there to easily support the author.) |
| 21:08.47 | golinux | mason: Thank you for minding the channel |
| 21:09.46 | mason | golinux: Sure, sure. |
| 21:09.54 | mason | And hello. |
| 21:10.39 | mason | golinux: I've just seen the Devuan default login screen for the first time. We're using a stock XFCE4 for my daughter's machine, instead of the xdm/openbox I use for my own stuff. |
| 21:11.20 | golinux | You need to install desktop base to get the theming |
| 21:11.32 | mason | Oh, I'll do that. I just installed xfce4 to start. |
| 21:11.53 | golinux | I love the slim design that hellekin did |
| 21:12.22 | golinux | He and I did all the desktop graphics and logo |
| 21:12.37 | mason | golinux: Oh, hrm. xfce4 seems to have pulled in lightdm by default. |
| 21:12.58 | golinux | ugh |
| 21:13.07 | golinux | Default should be slim |
| 21:13.10 | mason | It does show Devuan theming... Red swoosh, "software theming, your way" text. |
| 21:13.35 | mason | golinux: Did this change for Beowulf? I did an install straight to Beowulf, via debootstrap. |
| 21:13.47 | golinux | Yeah I did a theme for it but it shouldn't be the default |
| 21:14.48 | golinux | Speaking of theming . . . I'm starting to think about chimaera: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/deepsea-06222C.png |
| 21:14.48 | golinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:14.56 | mason | Maybe when I install desktop-base it'll do the desired thing. |
| 21:15.15 | golinux | It should set everything up from grub to the desktop |
| 21:15.17 | fsmithred | at the moment I can't remember why lightdm gets pulled in |
| 21:15.20 | mason | I like the blue/green feel. |
| 21:15.38 | mason | fsmithred: It would have been with xfce4. I'll look. |
| 21:15.38 | fsmithred | but if slim is installed, you can run 'dpkg-reconfigure lightdm' to set slim as the default |
| 21:15.42 | mason | Mm. |
| 21:16.51 | golinux | Color in honor of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV0D6G4CTio |
| 21:17.12 | golinux | Hydrolagus trolli |
| 21:17.23 | mason | fsmithred: Unsure why I got it: https://bpaste.net/show/JYSDA |
| 21:18.14 | fsmithred | aptitude why lightdm |
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| 21:27.07 | mason | Oh, I'll try that. I never install aptitude any more, but I will. |
| 21:29.03 | mason | fsmithred: Useful! https://bpaste.net/show/DOETG |
| 21:33.54 | fsmithred | aha! mason 'apt-get --no-install-recommends' FTW |
| 21:39.35 | golinux | fsmithred: It is fixed in desktop-base, right? |
| 21:42.45 | mason | I'll be installing that soon and I can note what happens. |
| 21:42.51 | mason | 0ad was a slow download |
| 21:46.38 | mason | golinux: Ah, xfce4 seems to have pulled in desktop-base already. |
| 21:47.34 | mason | Anyway, manually installing slim, and I'll boot into it. |
| 21:47.40 | fsmithred | golinux, it's not broken in desktop-base |
| 21:47.53 | fsmithred | xfce4 Recommends light-locker |
| 21:48.05 | fsmithred | light-locker depends on lightdm |
| 21:48.31 | fsmithred | in the dekstop-live isos, I've got code to remove lightdm before it makes the iso |
| 21:49.41 | golinux | fsmithred: Clever! |
| 21:50.10 | fsmithred | I don't know what we can do about installer isos |
| 21:50.48 | golinux | Sunny afternoon. I'm going to wander about outside for a while. |
| 21:51.00 | golinux | Let's discuss tomorrow. |
| 21:51.28 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:51.54 | golinux | I'm thinking that Xfce might not suit us for Chimaera which would solve the problem going forward. |
| 21:52.22 | fsmithred | and what instead? |
| 21:52.45 | fsmithred | sends a shipping container of snow to onefang |
| 21:53.06 | fsmithred | openbox? |
| 21:53.56 | golinux | I'm open to all suggestions . . . |
| 21:54.36 | golinux | but that will have to wait till we see the headaches that xfce creates for us |
| 21:55.30 | golinux | Sun is calling me . . . bbl |
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| 22:09.52 | ngshli[m] | hello |
| 22:10.05 | ngshli[m] | do debian packages work on devuan? |
| 22:10.22 | mason | ngshli[m]: Most Devuan packages *are* Debian packages. |
| 22:12.06 | ngshli[m] | so i can get them from debian repositories? |
| 22:15.08 | mason | ngshli[m]: You don't need to. Point to Devuan repositories, and those packages that aren't modified by Devuan are passed through from the Debian repositories. |
| 22:20.21 | ngshli[m] | is there a list of devuan repositories? |
| 22:20.57 | ngshli[m] | also do i download a specific package? |
| 22:24.39 | ngshli[m] | how* |
| 22:25.05 | ngshli[m] | i'm talking about downloading it from another system |
| 22:26.20 | mason | ngshli[m]: There's a lot of information here: https://devuan.org/ |
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| 23:08.39 | tuxd3v | http://opensource.rock-chips.com/wiki_Boot_option#u-boot.itb |
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