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| 08:45.56 | Saacmatchin1999 | bonjour |
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| 13:48.45 | forester | Hi. My Devuan 2 system have lost pulseaudio (some stuff around it). Maybe it is because of updating or trying Budgie-desktop (I use Mate). Do you know how to solve this issue? |
| 13:49.10 | r3boot | reinstall it? |
| 13:58.57 | forester | I did it. No difference. |
| 14:00.08 | yeti | I need to manually start pulesaudio on a beowulf system now... no idea why |
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| 14:01.21 | yeti | id did work without this for a long time but now noone seems to start it any more and if I do it manually it sometimes goes to sleep again and I need to restart it |
| 14:02.06 | yeti | up to a while ago I could listen internet streams for days without such effects |
| 14:03.28 | yeti | I've got more important things on my to do list than this, so if it stays this way, I'll put my "radio" on openwrt instead |
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| 14:04.24 | forester | How to manually start pulseaudio? |
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| 14:04.36 | yeti | pulseaudio --start |
| 14:08.43 | forester | It works. |
| 14:09.09 | forester | The sound in browser appeared. |
| 14:10.51 | yeti | debsums -ce pulseaudio # <<< no output ... so I've not changed the conffiles |
| 14:11.08 | yeti | no idea why it stopped to work without manual intervention |
| 14:11.51 | yeti | so 2 persons and 2 releases are seeing this... that's hope for it not being PEBCAK |
| 14:11.52 | yeti | :-D |
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| 14:17.02 | forester | yeti: Thank you for help. Bye. |
| 14:17.09 | yeti | _o/" |
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| 14:33.50 | mason | yeti: I may have seen an issue with having to manually start PulseAudio in Beowulf, but I've since realized that everything I use is happy with ALSA, so I chucked PulseAudio out the window, as is right and meet. |
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| 14:45.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ :-) I guess PolypAudio simply has no start script for initv |
| 14:46.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather sure Lennart won't keep it up to date ;-) |
| 14:47.02 | r3boot | https://github.com/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/commits/master ;) |
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| 15:13.55 | tuxd3v | Hello all, |
| 15:13.58 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.09 | tuxd3v | new [armel] fluxbox 1.3.7-1 package here: https://cld.pt/dl/download/b9c3ca0f-6475-4397-8ad9-7e90cd88a434/fluxbox_1.3.7-1_armel.deb?download=true |
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| 15:30.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | r3boot: well, it would have conveyed your point if you had linked to specifically the sysv-init script |
| 15:31.04 | GyrosGeier | 15:45 < DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ :-) I guess PolypAudio simply has no start script for initv |
| 15:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know what I wrote :-) |
| 15:31.26 | GyrosGeier | the idea that upstreams can provide system integration is kind of ridiculous |
| 15:32.00 | GyrosGeier | it happens to work with systemd that upstreams can provide unit files for trivial cases |
| 15:32.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ack, at least partially |
| 15:32.29 | GyrosGeier | but if you look at Debian packages, almost all init scripts come from the package, not from upstream |
| 15:35.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, my rant was slightly misleading. However still true - probably in devuan beowulf(?) the initscript for PA isn't up to date / functional so you need to start PA manually. And for sure Mr Poettering won't care about (sysv) init |
| 15:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | the nice part is in >>I've since realized that everything I use is happy with ALSA<< |
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| 15:43.11 | r3boot | DocScrutinizer05: it just goes to show that there is a *lot* of hyperbole surrounding everything related to what Lennart wrote |
| 15:44.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, sure you may call this hyperbole. I think it's a slightly humorous comment about PA and systemd both made by Poettering |
| 15:45.30 | r3boot | It would be humourous if it was true, right now its baseless slander |
| 15:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | works for prolly most other services too, though not as well when service and init system are not made by same author |
| 15:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | r3boot: sorry, do you tell me Poettering takes care about sysv-init system integration of PA in devuan? or what was your point about >>baseless slander<<? |
| 15:48.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think we simply can stop this pointless chitchat here |
| 15:48.19 | r3boot | Tsja, there arent that many distro's that still do sysv. So why not let the people that still use it write something for it, instead of expecting that someone else does it for you. Even worse if you call them out for it, without even submitting a bugreport. |
| 15:48.35 | r3boot | And indeed, this is about devuan, so lets keep the lennart bashing for #debianfork shall we? |
| 15:49.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | which lennart basching? |
| 15:49.12 | r3boot | read ur backlog |
| 15:49.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | still no need to help my short term memory like that |
| 15:49.57 | r3boot | okay, I'll help you out: |
| 15:49.58 | r3boot | 15:46 < DocScrutinizer05> I'm rather sure Lennart won't keep it up to date ;-) |
| 15:50.32 | r3boot | as you can see from the commit log, pa is maintained by a team, not lennart all by himself |
| 15:50.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | it however shows a communication problem when I meant "show me which is the lennart bashing" and you answer "read your backlog since it seems you don't know what you wrote" - and now I'm out |
| 15:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | so swhat? this is a point on my side, he even less will take care about PA init scripts then, as every other service author will, particularly when the upstream is maintained by a team now |
| 15:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | cheers! |
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| 15:54.35 | r3boot | It just goes to show that you dont care about PA and the devs behind it, nor that you care about making pa better for all of us, and that you'd rather spend your efford on blaming the current state on Lennart. Personally, I think that is a bit childish. It does not show that you fully understand the ecosystem behind it. |
| 15:55.23 | r3boot | The whole idea behild FLOSS is that you contribute, in one way or the other |
| 15:55.26 | Wonka | arent't firefox and chromium PA only now? as in "do not do ALSA anymore"? |
| 15:55.35 | GyrosGeier | Wonka, works for me though |
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| 15:55.55 | GyrosGeier | except closing tabs while sound is playing in them, that has a chance of catching a SIGABRT |
| 15:57.24 | Wonka | I had a tab once with video playing, and the sound didn't stop when I closed the tab... could have been on Android though. |
| 15:57.51 | Wonka | anyway, somehow installing PA was enough for me to get sound in FF back |
| 15:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | r3boot: now who's doing unbased slander? |
| 15:58.57 | r3boot | not me, that's for sure :) Also, take this to #debianfork, plz |
| 15:59.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wonka: sounds about right, though for FF I think there was a work around |
| 15:59.59 | Wonka | DocScrutinizer05: in some versions, you could reactivate ALSA. until they removed the code. |
| 16:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | r3boot: listen buddy, I posted two rather neutral lines which YOU take as "Pezeering bashing" and go on to blame me for not improving PA and being anti-FOSS and whatnot. Don't tell ME to take this elsewhere, YOU started it |
| 16:01.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | Poettering even |
| 16:03.58 | r3boot | DocScrutinizer05: debianfork, not here |
| 16:04.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | you started it here, I stop it here NOW. |
| 16:05.36 | r3boot | good :) |
| 16:05.56 | jaromil | hi all, FYI brief pointer and considerations on the machine-id privacy break and how it is fixed in Devuan ASCII 2.1 onwards https://slashdot.org/submission/10780308/the-file-varlibdbusmachine-id-matters-for-your-privacy-and-devuan-fixed-it |
| 16:06.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hi jaromil, long time no see :-) |
| 16:12.43 | mason | jaromil: Ah, nice to see good press. :) |
| 16:13.27 | mason | Did they publish it? Just realizing that I've never seen a submission entry before. I hope it makes it to the front. |
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| 16:24.29 | jaromil | hi :^) |
| 16:24.38 | jaromil | they may or may not |
| 16:24.43 | jaromil | people with a user can vote it up |
| 16:24.53 | jaromil | they have accepted some submissions about devuan in the past |
| 16:25.21 | jaromil | i'm an old time slashdot subscriber and still attached to the platform, despite YC has surpassed it in popularity |
| 16:25.25 | jaromil | bbl |
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| 16:39.47 | mason | I use SlashDot for news still. I've never had an account, but I pull them via RSS, as they're a great mix of what I want generally. |
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| 16:57.46 | sixwheeledbeast | ^ same |
| 16:58.55 | sixwheeledbeast | People overlook RSS. News without the social media bull. |
| 16:58.57 | irata | hi guys. just seen ascii 2.1 is out, congrats |
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| 17:32.56 | jonadab | Since it's still ascii, I assume we don't need to update our source repo lists? |
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| 17:36.45 | jaromil | best use http://deb.devuan.org as root domain for the packages, since that's a round-robin on mirrors and provides some relief to our core infra |
| 17:37.00 | jaromil | you may have some older domain instead |
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| 17:45.53 | jonadab | Ah. |
| 17:46.16 | jonadab | Yeah, I think I have several different domains on various systems. |
| 17:47.13 | jonadab | Hmm, are subdomains (e.g., us.) of deb.devuan.org good? |
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| 17:48.21 | golinux | jonadab: There is no US mirror |
| 17:48.42 | jaromil | no subdomains, no US mirror yet (help!) |
| 17:48.46 | golinux | You can choose a specific CC mirror from the available list if yuou like. |
| 17:49.15 | golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt |
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| 18:22.14 | jonadab | Huh. One of my systems has us.deb.devuan.org for all the repos in sources.list, and it seems to work. |
| 18:22.24 | jonadab | I was just asking if it's preferable to not list them that way. |
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| 18:23.29 | jonadab | (I mean, if there isn't currently a US mirror, one supposes that could currently resolve to just any mirror, and be changed later if US mirrors are added.) |
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| 19:14.02 | mason | jonadab: That was done at install time but it ends up not having actual meaning. |
| 19:14.24 | mason | jonadab: It's just a cname for pkgmaster.devuan.org. |
| 19:14.39 | mason | bbiab |
| 19:26.16 | jonadab | Ah. |
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| 19:27.51 | jonadab | I should really check the URLs on my systems that were updated from squeeze and earlier, though. Those are the ones likely to have the MOST out-of-date repo domains. |
| 19:29.32 | jonadab | Well, apart from the one that's still on squeeze, but nevermind that. |
| 19:31.31 | jonadab | (Or, actually, wait... don't I still have... hah, I do. I still have one system that's on etch. But that's a _very_ special case, and not germaine here.) |
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| 19:59.20 | james1138 | Just asking... if we are already using Devuan ASCII - we do not have to do anything since we will soon (if not already) see the updates that are part of ASCII 2? |
| 20:04.43 | yeti | yipyip. |
| 20:05.58 | yeti | ( \o/ typed into a P4M notebook running beowulf \o/ ) |
| 20:06.53 | james1138 | Yeti: how did you get Beowulf? |
| 20:07.09 | yeti | upgraded ascii |
| 20:07.45 | james1138 | Yeti: upgrade? Not with ISO? |
| 20:07.53 | yeti | YES |
| 20:08.00 | james1138 | Where ISO?? |
| 20:08.11 | yeti | not with iso ... YES |
| 20:08.38 | yeti | install minimal ascii, upgrade, install the rest |
| 20:09.05 | yeti | xcept for some VMs I'm running beowulf on all systems |
| 20:09.26 | james1138 | Ah.. |
| 20:09.52 | yeti | but havent touched this oldtimer too long... it still has ascii's theme... |
| 20:09.54 | jonadab | Beowulf has been in development for a while now. I suppose it's not too horrifically far off from being stable enough for production. |
| 20:10.34 | yeti | I get what I need |
| 20:11.57 | yeti | whats the name of twin's displaymanager? |
| 20:12.21 | yeti | have I dreamed? I thought there were such a thing abd now I cannot find it |
| 20:13.01 | yeti | hmmm... |
| 20:15.45 | james1138 | <sigh> Seeing MX Linux and AntiX already out with Buster/Beowulf ISO... hard to "sit by" seeing no ISO yet. Not intending to complain and sorry if it came across as complaining. Even Refracta has a Buster/Beowulf ISO - although it is "Alpha" according to their website. |
| 20:17.02 | yeti | beowulf definitely is better than alpha |
| 20:17.37 | yeti | ok... I'm not a multimedia/WYSIWYG-guy |
| 20:17.53 | yeti | there may be some glitches I dont see... |
| 20:18.28 | yeti | I'm compiling a lot of stuff and most of the day I "live" in screen+Xterm |
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| 20:19.56 | yeti | when this oldtimer is updated, I'll switchback to newer trash... |
| 20:21.14 | yeti | its a shame how much better the 13(?) years old keyboard of this T30 feels in comparison to the T510 I normally use... |
| 20:21.16 | yeti | :-( |
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| 20:59.42 | jonadab | james1138: ISO is the old way of distributing operating systems, now we use apt repositories :-) |
| 21:00.23 | jonadab | Any OS that doesn't have apt repos is hopelessly obsolete. You heard it here first. |
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| 21:01.10 | james1138 | For me... a ISO is needed if for any reason I must reinstall from stratch. |
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| 21:13.25 | yeti | even the netinstall is a small ISO |
| 21:14.17 | yeti | but yes... the day netbsd switches to APT, I'll need to clone myself |
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| 21:37.32 | jonadab | Heh. |
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| 23:51.03 | edoooooon | I have been trying to figure this out for a few weeks now and feel like it's a super simple answer that I am missing. I am trying to do a port forward to VNC over SSH. "ssh -4 -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 -N -f -l user domain.com" - when I try on ascii (and other computers/OSs) I can do this no problem, but after upgrading to beowulf no luck. To test I rebuilt beowulf on a new drive and tried again thinking it was something in my config, same |
| 23:51.03 | edoooooon | result. Output of ssh -vvv here https://rentry.co/h6gzv - ssh is running on ipv4 and I can ssh to the box directly no problem. |
| 23:58.40 | golinux | edoooooon: Might have something to do with this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2858 |
| 23:59.57 | fsmithred | edoooooon, what do you mean by 'port forward'? |