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| 10:00.04 | rehcla | hi all! Is Beowulf meaning Devuan Testing ? |
| 10:02.56 | gnu_srs2 | rehcla: yes |
| 10:04.01 | rehcla | gnu_srs: thx |
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| 11:19.54 | inklr | what's the devuan offtopic channel again? |
| 11:21.18 | Atari-Frosch | #debianfork |
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| 11:23.55 | rehcla | so after upgrading from ascii to beowulf, in XFCE Window Decorations are missing and the mouse curser looks weird! This shouldt be a huge problem to solve... Anyone else saw this happening? |
| 11:25.08 | inklr | there was a significant xfce upgrade rehcla |
| 11:25.11 | inklr | lots of changes |
| 11:25.22 | inklr | #xfce is the best place to learn about them |
| 11:25.27 | rehcla | inklr: still 4.12 |
| 11:25.27 | inklr | i ended up switching back to fluxbox |
| 11:25.31 | inklr | eh |
| 11:25.37 | inklr | oh |
| 11:26.09 | inklr | big changes were 4.12-4.14 here - confused beowulf with ceres, sorry rehcla |
| 11:26.26 | rehcla | 4.14 would have impressed me :) |
| 11:26.50 | inklr | it impressed me also, but negatively |
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| 11:27.12 | inklr | tabwin.c (the window switcher popup) stopped accepting my theme |
| 11:27.37 | inklr | i found where to hack it to dark, but other breakage was too annoying |
| 11:28.57 | rehcla | inklr: hmmm.... I am a little fed up with kde and gnome... so XFCE seemed a good choice.... Enlightment would also be interesting, but not available on devuan |
| 11:29.32 | inklr | i just realized i'm happier without a 'desktop environment' |
| 11:29.50 | rehcla | played around with fvwm2 and windowmaker, but to geeky as a daily DE |
| 11:30.27 | inklr | whatever works for you, as usual |
| 11:31.56 | rehcla | so here its only the window decorations... I cant even start the configuration for the windowmanager in XFCE.... After walking my dog, I will investigate futher |
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| 11:35.03 | rehcla | btw, I only use defaut themes and sources... So no error to find in this direction |
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| 12:44.18 | rehcla | gnarface: thank you for pointing that out |
| 12:45.17 | rehcla | ok |
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| 12:45.52 | rehcla | regarding XFCE.... Just started XFWM manualy and everything is as it should be |
| 12:50.28 | rehcla | Now I need help! How can it be caused that xfwm4 is not started with XFCE and where can I set it right? |
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| 12:56.23 | rehcla | brb |
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| 12:58.01 | rehcla | seems the problem is solved!XFWM4 is started now by default |
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| 14:58.50 | golinux | rehcla: Did you install desktop-base with Xfce? |
| 14:59.27 | golinux | You need that to get the default theme set up properly |
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| 16:07.09 | rehcla | golinux: I did a standard install of ASCII with XFCE and then upgraded to Beowulf |
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| 16:09.23 | rehcla | When evaluating what wrong, I found some similarities with fvwm2.... And fvwm has no windowmanager:) so I tried to start xfwm4 via konsole, and see, everything is fine now |
| 16:09.57 | rehcla | not konsole, terminal I mean |
| 16:10.06 | golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ |
| 16:11.33 | golinux | rehcla: The default Xfce desktop should look like this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2646 |
| 16:12.54 | golinux | Perhaps something is not translating properly in the upgrade. |
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| 16:16.18 | golinux | Also, Beowulf is still a wip. |
| 16:17.02 | fsmithred | rehcla, can you show me what's in /etc/alternatives? Paste the output (don't post it here) of 'ls -l /etc/alternatives' |
| 16:18.12 | fsmithred | my best guess is that something is wrong with desktop-base |
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| 16:19.13 | fsmithred | I can do a default ascii install and upgrade to beowulf probably tonight (in about 10 hours) |
| 16:21.02 | rehcla | fsmithred: https://pastebin.pl/view/e967a4a6 |
| 16:22.29 | rehcla | golinux: As i changed the default wallpaper, thats what differs to the screenshots in the forum.... the rest is the same |
| 16:24.20 | fsmithred | but for some reason xfwm is not starting? |
| 16:24.38 | fsmithred | the links all look correct |
| 16:24.53 | fsmithred | but I'll try it. I might not be remembering something. |
| 16:25.11 | rehcla | fsmithred: yes, until I started it manualy, xfwm4 was missing |
| 16:25.38 | fsmithred | you're using slim for a login manager? |
| 16:25.43 | rehcla | since I started it once via terminal, it starts anytime I log in |
| 16:26.18 | fsmithred | you mean on log out and log in, or do you mean after a reboot? |
| 16:26.39 | rehcla | didnt reboot till now |
| 16:26.46 | rehcla | wait, I do it right now |
| 16:26.49 | fsmithred | ok |
| 16:26.56 | rehcla | pulseaudio was also disabled |
| 16:27.10 | rehcla | started it via terminal, sound works fine |
| 16:27.10 | fsmithred | that shouldn't affect xfwm |
| 16:27.16 | rehcla | no:) |
| 16:27.19 | rehcla | brb |
| 16:27.23 | fsmithred | me too |
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| 16:29.31 | rehcla | I can confirm that xfwm4 starts also after reboot! Maybe it has something to do that when I log out, the "save session setting" mark is checked |
| 16:29.53 | rehcla | pulseaudio is off |
| 16:34.39 | fsmithred | so now it works normally? |
| 16:35.49 | fsmithred | maybe a one-time glitch? I'll try to reproduce it later today. Or maybe earlier if we don't go anywhere. Everyone else is still asleep. |
| 16:36.55 | rehcla | ok |
| 16:37.09 | rehcla | let me know if I can help further |
| 16:37.14 | golinux | Happy to hear things seem to be working now. |
| 16:37.15 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 16:40.37 | rehcla | "pulseaudio &" fixed the rest |
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| 16:50.34 | rehcla | another thing.... services are stoped and started via the "service" command! How do I enable or disable system services? Too long ago for me^^ |
| 16:51.07 | fsmithred | two ways |
| 16:51.25 | fsmithred | service <name> stop|start|restart |
| 16:51.44 | rehcla | thats on the fly |
| 16:51.45 | fsmithred | or instead of 'service' use '/etc/init.d/<name> |
| 16:51.48 | fsmithred | oh |
| 16:51.58 | fsmithred | update-rc.d commands |
| 16:52.02 | fsmithred | or sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:52.18 | fsmithred | (checkboxes for the different runlevels) |
| 16:53.10 | rehcla | can you give me an example with disabling minissdpd? |
| 16:53.49 | fsmithred | an example for update-rc.d? maybe |
| 16:54.02 | rehcla | commandline |
| 16:54.11 | rehcla | yeah |
| 16:54.14 | fsmithred | nah, I'd have to look at the man page |
| 16:54.22 | rehcla | so can I |
| 16:54.27 | rehcla | thank you |
| 16:54.28 | fsmithred | update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 16:54.34 | fsmithred | might be right |
| 16:54.42 | fsmithred | been too long |
| 16:55.06 | fsmithred | I use sysv-rc-conf - I can remember where my arrow keys and space bar are located |
| 16:55.10 | rehcla | I did spend the last 4 years with OpenBSD... rcctl is nice |
| 16:55.42 | rehcla | but as much as I wanted it, its not a DesktopOS |
| 16:55.42 | r3boot | simple, reliable, predictable :P openbsd++ |
| 16:56.18 | r3boot | that does kind of depend on your standards. For a late 90s/early 00s unix desktop, it's mighty fine |
| 16:56.18 | fsmithred | desktop linux without systemd is exciting these days |
| 16:56.39 | rehcla | so when coming back to Linux, there was only one choice --> Devuan |
| 16:57.25 | golinux | :) |
| 17:03.53 | rehcla | fsmithred: I could upgrade my laptop from ascii to beowulf right now and see if there is the same issue as with my desktop (xfwm4) |
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| 17:07.31 | fsmithred | I wouldn't do that with my laptop |
| 17:07.43 | fsmithred | well, right now that's the only computer I have |
| 17:07.56 | fsmithred | I'll test in VM |
| 17:08.29 | fsmithred | if you have a full backup and can fix it easily in case there are problems, then go for it |
| 17:09.05 | fsmithred | I've done several upgrades to beowulf of slightly leaner xfce installs without any trouble |
| 17:10.32 | rehcla | its for fun and helping the project! My really important data are somewhere else ;) |
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| 18:17.05 | rehcla | fsmithred: Hereby I confirm upgrading the laptop ASUS UX303L without any xfwm4 problem, pulseaudio also seems "not running" out of the box |
| 18:18.33 | fsmithred | thanks. i don't know how pulseaudio is supposed to start |
| 18:18.42 | fsmithred | maybe something in /etc/default/ |
| 18:18.51 | fsmithred | Doing an install now. |
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| 18:53.44 | fsmithred | rehcla, pulseaudio is running here on fresh install. |
| 18:54.35 | rehcla | hmmm |
| 18:54.42 | rehcla | 2 time not here |
| 18:54.56 | rehcla | one AMD and one Intel Chipset |
| 18:57.49 | fsmithred | oh wait, I'm still in ascii |
| 18:57.55 | fsmithred | I'll upgrade now |
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| 18:59.35 | fsmithred | um, I'll upgrade later. I have to change my network connection. (Need to get a wire from another room.) |
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| 19:26.14 | fsr | ok, my name changed <- rehcla |
| 19:26.40 | rehcla | :) |
| 19:28.06 | fsr | uh-oh, it's possible to run two instances of the same VM (same virtual disk) at once in qemu |
| 19:28.47 | rehcla | sure you can teach me some things there^^ |
| 19:29.47 | fsr | yeah, I can, because I just learned something else |
| 19:29.53 | fsr | it screws up the filesystem |
| 19:30.33 | MinceR | yeah, most fs-es don't like being mounted from multiple OS-es at the same time |
| 19:30.39 | rehcla | is xen also supported in devuan? |
| 19:31.25 | fsr | yes, same as debian |
| 19:31.49 | rehcla | ok |
| 19:32.18 | rehcla | just played around with it some time ago with opensuse... never got a booting kernel |
| 19:32.29 | rehcla | at the hostOS |
| 19:33.34 | fsr | ok, doesn't fsck have an option to bypass the questions and just fix the errors? |
| 19:33.40 | fsr | I'm not seeing it |
| 19:34.01 | rehcla | ext4? |
| 19:34.29 | rehcla | -a or -p |
| 19:34.45 | fsr | yeah, ext4 |
| 19:36.32 | fsr | nope. Had to hit enter a few times |
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| 19:40.39 | fsr | dist-upgrade is running |
| 19:40.56 | fsr | going for coffee |
| 19:43.14 | rehcla | i have to pick up my wife! see you soon |
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| 20:47.15 | fsr | rehcla, after dist-upgrade to beowulf, pulseaudio is installed, not running, but sound works |
| 20:47.33 | fsr | can play an audio file. Haven't tried firefox yet. |
| 20:47.34 | rehcla | same here |
| 20:47.41 | rehcla | works fine |
| 20:47.52 | rehcla | after starting it from a terminal |
| 20:48.25 | rehcla | until now beowulf makes a nice impression |
| 20:51.13 | fsr | yeah, sound works in firefox |
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| 20:51.35 | fsr | and golinux will be pleased to hear that the themes upgraded correctly - grub, slim and desktop |
| 20:52.17 | rehcla | can confirm the theme thing too |
| 21:22.26 | golinux | breathes a sigh of relief . . . |
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| 21:29.50 | fsr | the upgrade was smooth and easy |
| 21:30.02 | fsr | all I did was change sources, update and dist-upgrade |
| 21:30.04 | fsr | once. |
| 21:31.07 | fsr | to be exact, I did 'apt update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' then reboot |
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| 21:31.24 | fsr | also did 'apt autoremove' after boot |
| 21:31.49 | fsr | package count is above 1500, or around 100 more than in ascii |
| 21:32.13 | fsr | didn't check installed size, but that's probably bigger, too |
| 21:34.18 | rehcla | so when to expect a next stable release? :) |
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| 21:35.26 | golinux | rehcla: After the ascii point-release |
| 21:36.16 | golinux | Which means rebuilding all the ascii isos and then the beowulf isos. Beowulf will likely have a beta release before the final |
| 21:40.49 | rehcla | ok |
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