00:00.07 | Xenguy | Well I read the pm-utils README, and there doesn't seem to be any mention of dimming |
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00:07.32 | rrq | Xenguy: check xrandr for brightness control (works sometimes) |
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00:10.40 | Xenguy | Thanks folks, I think I have it licked now. I unchecked a couple of PM options in the 'battery' section of the power management config (which I had assumed should not effect the operation when I'm running on AC, but it turns out it did) |
00:10.59 | Xenguy | If that makes sense. So looks all good as far as I can tell. |
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00:14.52 | Simoen2 | i can't install openvpn openvpn : Depends: libssl1.0.2 (>= 1.0.2d) but it is not installable |
00:14.57 | Xenguy | I really do love linux's 'just copy over your dot files', and all your config's are easily in place |
00:15.03 | Simoen2 | either with beowulf or ceres repos |
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00:18.27 | Xenguy | 8 -] |
00:18.47 | golinux | Simoen2: Maybe this is the reason why? <Simoen2> Version: 1.0.2n-1ubuntu5.3 is installed |
00:19.10 | golinux | You should not be using Ubuntu packages |
00:19.14 | Simoen2 | i purged it |
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00:19.47 | Simoen2 | i'm not trying to |
00:20.43 | golinux | You might be mixing Devuan repos then? |
00:21.22 | Simoen2 | i'll try with latest |
00:21.32 | Simoen2 | Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main arm64 openssl arm64 1.1.1d-1 |
00:21.51 | Simoen2 | why protonvpn needs 1.0.2d idk |
00:22.22 | Simoen2 | <PROTECTED> |
00:22.36 | Simoen2 | i have libssl 1.1.1d-1 installed |
00:22.48 | Simoen2 | there is no libssl1.0* in repository |
00:23.44 | Simoen2 | maybe i gan build openvpn cfom source |
00:24.53 | Simoen2 | git clone git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/openvpn.git |
00:25.03 | Simoen2 | anonscm.debian.org[0: 194.177.211.202]: errno=Connection refused |
00:26.21 | Simoen2 | ah it is deprecated |
00:27.26 | Simoen2 | building from source |
00:28.15 | Simoen2 | crypto.h:437:12: error: field âctxâ has incomplete type |
00:33.19 | Simoen2 | oh openvpn 2.4 will work with openssl1.1 https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/ticket/759 |
00:33.23 | Simoen2 | fixed two years ago |
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00:41.57 | Simoen2 | openvpn 2.4 builds fine from https://openvpn.net/community-downloads/ |
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01:06.37 | dgriffi | has anyone noticed that the DVD image is too big for a single-layer disc? |
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01:20.18 | Simoen2 | perhaps, but i can't ask everyone |
01:20.32 | Simoen2 | you using nvidia gpu with nvidia drivers dgriffi ? |
01:21.46 | Simoen2 | i have 80x25 console and don't know what boot flag will fix |
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01:27.22 | Lipps | ask me for help if you need openvpn! |
01:28.36 | dgriffi | huh? I was asking about DVD image size |
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01:29.51 | Lipps | are single-layer cheaper? |
01:30.20 | dgriffi | yes |
01:30.44 | dgriffi | it exceeds the limit by about one gig |
01:31.14 | fsmithred | don't they hold close to 4.5G? |
01:31.17 | Lipps | i am not the maintainer of that |
01:31.27 | Lipps | if you could contact the maintainer that would be best |
01:31.46 | dgriffi | 4.7 gigs |
01:32.13 | fsmithred | that's the capacity of a DVD or that's the size of the iso? |
01:32.16 | dgriffi | which is 4812 megabytes |
01:32.33 | fsmithred | it shows as 4G on the website. I don't have one here to check. |
01:33.12 | dgriffi | the ISO, as determined by cdrecord is 4442 megabytes. with overhead, it's 5102... which won't fit. |
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01:34.10 | fsmithred | This is the first time I've heard that. But your timing is good - we're in the process of making new isos. |
01:34.39 | dgriffi | what's the proper way to document this? |
01:34.42 | fsmithred | why so much overhead? |
01:34.55 | dgriffi | fsmithred: it's how DVDs work |
01:35.09 | dgriffi | it's why 650/700 megabytes won't all fit on a CD |
01:35.19 | dgriffi | the measurement is raw data |
01:35.26 | fsmithred | I usually can fit 710 |
01:35.36 | fsmithred | or a little more |
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01:36.03 | fsmithred | anyway, a bug report at bugs.devuan.org if you can file one against debian-installer |
01:36.12 | fsmithred | but I'm not sure that will work. |
01:36.58 | fsmithred | yeah, you can. It recognizes the package name. |
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02:35.08 | xormar | hi all |
02:35.16 | Lipps | greets xormar |
02:35.16 | xormar | is multiarch working in beowulf? |
02:35.26 | Lipps | i have run i386 stuff on it |
02:36.17 | xormar | hm, i'm trying to install wine32, and it gives me errors along these lines: libmount1 : Breaks: libmount1:i386 (!= 2.32.1-0.1+devuan2.1) but 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1 is to be installed |
02:36.51 | xormar | looks like a version mismatch in the 64 vs 32 bit pkg |
02:39.01 | xormar | anybody seen this? |
02:45.28 | golinux | Yes, in Beowulf iirc |
02:46.44 | golinux | xormar: ^^^ And read https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3067 |
02:47.19 | golinux | And https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3029 |
02:47.46 | golinux | And https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2987 |
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03:01.51 | dgriffi | I think my report about the DVD iso being too big is premature... The DVD burner I was using appears to have croaked. |
03:06.28 | Lipps | i can test if i can find a dvd |
03:08.28 | Lipps | one site says 4.7 gigabytes |
03:08.32 | Lipps | 4,700,372,992 |
03:09.09 | Lipps | DVD-RW can add up to 515.94MB of overhead |
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03:12.27 | dgriffi | I swapped out my burner (UJDA782) for a bluray burner |
03:12.47 | dgriffi | serial ultrabay interface on a Thinkpad T420 |
03:12.58 | xormar | golinux: thanks for the links, they did not turn up in any search i did. works with the extra steps described there! |
03:13.30 | golinux | Great! |
03:14.45 | golinux | Yeah, the search function isn't all that great even when I remember the post I'm looking for |
03:23.26 | xormar | the forum also seems to be not indexed by search engines |
03:25.19 | xormar | thx again & bb |
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06:37.04 | TwistedFate | Does anyone here use auto log-in on Steam? |
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06:54.49 | fbt | It doesn't work without a dbus session running, if you're asking about that |
06:54.58 | fbt | Or at least used to not |
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08:25.00 | Hum | When will the new Devuan release be published? |
08:25.33 | Lipps | it seems 'soon' |
08:25.57 | Hum | thx |
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09:09.06 | Hund | Never ask devs for ETA's. :P |
09:09.36 | Wonka | so, there's another exim4 bug, fixed in 4.92.3 - which is not yet available in Debian either. |
09:09.39 | Wonka | *sigh* |
09:10.10 | onefang | Standard answer from us devs - it'll be ready when it's ready. |
09:10.45 | Hum | Hund: I didn't take devuan-dev. Maybe I got a non-developer answer that is better ;) |
09:10.53 | r3boot | .. or, you know, help out in developing the new release ;) |
09:11.17 | Hund | Hum: :D |
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09:12.29 | Hum | r3boot: I can do bug-reports. I am not good in developing |
09:12.40 | r3boot | Hum: you never know until you try |
09:13.00 | r3boot | also, maintaining a distro is more then just developing :) |
09:15.50 | onefang | Bug reports are great, things need testing, lots of testing. |
09:16.09 | Hum | r3boot: Maybe I already tried ;) No, to be honest: reporting bugs and sometimes wrting some documentian is the way I help |
09:17.33 | Hum | are there images of devuan alpha/beta? I could try to install them in a virtual environment |
09:30.06 | onefang | #devuan-dev might be a better place to ask that question. |
09:31.25 | Hum | ok |
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09:42.26 | Lipps | =hm |
09:42.37 | Lipps | rebootedd and can only log in as root |
09:43.07 | Lipps | logging on as user brings me back to the login screen |
09:43.31 | buZz | so something in your profile crashes ;) |
09:43.40 | Hum | disk full? |
09:43.59 | Lipps | as user startx gives Segmentatoin fault at address 0x8 |
09:44.28 | Lipps | 13GB free |
09:44.45 | Lipps | amusing, something broke |
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09:44.49 | Lipps | for the first time in years |
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09:45.19 | buZz | 0x8 is quite a low address :P |
09:45.26 | Lipps | running X as root is a bad idea right |
09:45.30 | buZz | yes |
09:46.04 | Lipps | can modern X be started from console with startx? |
09:46.24 | Lipps | or do i need these gooey things that start x for me |
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09:46.49 | Lipps | i used to always boot to console |
09:46.54 | Lipps | inint 3 |
09:47.09 | Lipps | just seemed more sensible |
09:47.15 | Lipps | picked that up from the Sun days |
09:47.17 | onefang | Disk almost full should have been what was asked. Usually there is a percentage of disk space, if it dcops below that, only root can write to it. That percentage may be over 13GB on a really big disk. |
09:47.43 | onefang | Er *drops below* |
09:47.47 | Lipps | dude no way is login failing with 13GB free |
09:48.11 | buZz | why is login accessing 0x8 |
09:48.17 | buZz | or is that a abbreviation |
09:49.09 | onefang | One of my disks is complaining about low disk with 71 GB available. YMMV |
09:50.50 | onefang | So if 13 GB is below the threshold where only root can write, and X11 is falling over coz non root can't write, but root can write... |
09:51.01 | Hum | if 1% is reserved for root, and 13GB is about 1% then the partition would have more than 1.3TB. Could happen today in a irc chat with user who know that sun isn't only a planet |
09:51.42 | buZz | sun is a planet? |
09:51.50 | buZz | i thought it was a star .. |
09:52.09 | r3boot | SunOS||GTFO! :P |
09:52.09 | Hum | buZz: yes, sorry, I have no time for planetary questions... |
09:52.13 | buZz | :) |
09:52.19 | buZz | Hum: thats ok |
09:52.20 | onefang | Something that big and dangerous can be whatever the hell it wants to be. B-) |
09:52.27 | buZz | :D :D |
09:52.57 | r3boot | Lipps: actually, Sun was pretty pioneering with X terminals back in the days .. how about recreating a SunRay environment instead?? The Network Is The Computer, you know! |
09:53.42 | buZz | isnt that called XDMCP ? |
09:53.43 | Hum | I guess 5% is normally reserved for root with extX and btrfs. If 13GB are about 5%, then the partition would be 260GB. Am I right? |
09:54.39 | r3boot | buZz: that's the network protocol that's used yeah. It was based on SunRay terminals, with a nice sunfire behind it, and gnome 1 |
09:54.55 | buZz | :) lovely |
09:54.56 | r3boot | (modern day Xorg doesnt do xdmcp btw, you'll need Xephyr for that) |
09:55.35 | buZz | hmmm, you sure? archwiki seems to suggest it still works |
09:55.42 | buZz | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDMCP |
09:56.25 | r3boot | Mja, doesnt work with classic xdmcp |
09:56.48 | Lipps | ok i can login to other users... there's something wrong with my primary user |
09:56.49 | Lipps | fun fun |
09:57.15 | onefang | OK, not the disk space issue then. |
09:57.31 | Lipps | yeh bro not expecting you to solve it remotely |
09:57.34 | Lipps | it's just chat |
09:57.57 | Lipps | i just like this treehouse a lot |
09:58.17 | onefang | This is the Devuan support channel, some of us are here to help the rest solve their problems. |
09:58.29 | Lipps | mhrm |
09:58.36 | Lipps | +100 |
09:58.42 | buZz | we're all synapses in the globe-brain , firing off each others inputs and outputs |
09:59.21 | Lipps | you ever read The Machine Stops by E.M. Forster? |
09:59.28 | Lipps | he predicted this in like, 1904 |
09:59.33 | onefang | Yep. |
09:59.33 | Lipps | it's free online |
09:59.50 | Lipps | bows to onefang |
10:01.11 | buZz | nice, 24 page shortstory |
10:01.25 | buZz | *adds to hacker library collection* |
10:01.41 | Lipps | i read it in 1987 for an english lit class |
10:01.46 | Lipps | and said 'this is the future!' |
10:02.48 | buZz | :) |
10:03.00 | buZz | that was kinda the feeling i got when i read Brave New World |
10:03.10 | buZz | but replace future with today |
10:03.38 | Lipps | seems very obvious |
10:03.43 | Lipps | to not like tyranny |
10:04.06 | Lipps | i cannot feel abnormal wanting some privacy and freedom. |
10:04.09 | Lipps | i am right |
10:10.14 | Lipps | and to have tha freedom you need to know and identify the aggressors |
10:12.31 | Lipps | c.f. debconf |
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14:48.45 | Hund | How I change what things to start at boot and not? |
14:49.13 | fsmithred | sysv-rc-conf is easy |
14:49.31 | r3boot | with rm and ln :) |
14:49.38 | fsmithred | if you want to control what desktop things start, that would be somewhere in the desktop settings |
14:49.39 | fsmithred | lol |
14:49.47 | r3boot | no need for a frontend for some basic unix commands ;) |
14:49.55 | r3boot | (really, it's that easy :) |
14:50.16 | fsmithred | if you like typing |
14:50.34 | r3boot | mja, muscle memory is fast and latency free :P |
14:51.58 | Hund | fsmithred: Thanks. I'm installing it and checking it out. |
14:52.18 | fsmithred | arrow keys, space bar and q to quit |
14:52.43 | omnio | sysv-rc-conf is great and it doesn't hurt to check first "runlevel", just to be sure where to make changes |
14:52.49 | Hund | Wow. that was easy. :P |
14:52.58 | r3boot | sighs :P |
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15:10.55 | onefang | Only one problem with sysv-rc-conf, but it only happens if you have over 100 lines in your terminal. It'll crash if you try to arrow down all the way. |
15:11.08 | onefang | Though maybe that's just me. lol |
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15:24.15 | fsmithred | onefang, arrow up instead. It wraps. |
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15:26.27 | onefang | I know that, but there's still the ones between where it falls over and the beginning of the next page that I can't get to. Unless I use a smaller terminal. |
15:26.57 | r3boot | (really, rm and ln are way easier AND you get the chance to learn how sysv runlevels actually work ;) |
15:28.32 | onefang | goes back to watching TV, that's even easier. B-) |
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16:43.51 | forester | hi. devuan 2 xfce. I had removed some applications. But they still remain in menu. How to remove them from there? |
16:50.20 | Lipps | i can't even get themes working in xfce |
16:50.34 | Lipps | use fuckin fluxbox. edit menus in a file |
16:50.59 | Lipps | god damn gtk |
16:54.14 | golinux | Install desktop-base with Xfce and you get a coordinated theme from grub to desktop |
16:56.37 | forester | I suppose there should be a config file somewhere? |
16:58.12 | Lipps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjsZbbG5fag =>> Yilan bridge collapses in Taiwan - TomoNews <<= |
16:58.13 | Lipps | gtk developers designed the bridge |
16:58.58 | Lipps | desktop-base is already the newest version (1:3.0). |
16:59.01 | Lipps | stop lying |
17:03.20 | omnio | forester: I'm not sure about XFCE but I think the menus just show the entries from /usr/share/applications |
17:05.15 | Lipps | https://wayfire.org/2019/01/13/Introduction-to-Wayfire.html i might start supporting this |
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17:11.21 | forester | omnio: Thank you. I have find an Main Menu there. This app I used with Mate DE. And this app did make what I needed. |
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17:17.57 | golinux | Lipps: If you want the latest SNS, Devuan probably won't work for you. Bye. |
17:18.18 | Lipps | what is SNS |
17:18.32 | golinux | Shiny New Shit |
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17:21.23 | Lipps | i'm just tired of broken shit |
17:21.36 | Lipps | i tend to hate new shit |
17:21.41 | Lipps | unless it's not broken |
17:21.52 | Lipps | that's the only metric, golinux |
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17:23.40 | r3boot | Actually, I think you should be able to get most if not all new linux SNS working under devuan with a bit of effort |
17:24.36 | r3boot | barring effort, I still recommend OpenBSD as a desktop. Slow, Sluggish, but reliable and predictable |
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17:26.11 | Demosthenex | hey folks, seen a php7.1 for devuan? i checked backports, doesn't seem to be there |
17:26.41 | Lipps | i want dark themes to work |
17:26.54 | Lipps | "Minix, the most used operating system in the world, without anyone knowing it" < lol |
17:31.54 | r3boot | Lipps: btw, xfce4 themes are fixed by d/l'ing a theme from xfce-look.org, extracting to ~/.local/share/themes, and selecting it in the settings |
17:32.12 | Lipps | which one works? |
17:32.18 | Lipps | dark theme |
17:32.24 | r3boot | i use solarized-dark |
17:32.24 | Lipps | which one works? |
17:32.58 | r3boot | xfce 4.14 btw |
17:33.26 | Lipps | https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1311022/ this one? |
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17:34.19 | r3boot | yes, that one. Got that running under openbsd/xfce 4.14 btw, not devuan |
17:35.07 | r3boot | (not that that matters, since xfce4 looks in freedesktop.org specified theme directories) |
17:38.51 | Lipps | deliver a fucking dark theme with xfce |
17:39.03 | r3boot | send a mail to their mailinglist! |
17:39.11 | r3boot | did you get it to work btw? |
17:39.22 | Lipps | i'll try now |
17:39.47 | r3boot | xfce4 does come with dark themes btw, if you install the xfce4-themes package ofc |
17:39.58 | Lipps | they are broken |
17:40.04 | Lipps | or gtk is broken |
17:40.26 | r3boot | could be anything. You will know once you get the output of xfwm ;) |
17:40.53 | r3boot | (or just blame it on gtk and the world :P) |
17:41.11 | Lipps | mv Solarized-Dark-GTK .local/share/themes |
17:41.28 | Lipps | not appearing in xfce appearance |
17:41.36 | r3boot | try restarting xfce4 |
17:41.42 | Lipps | ok |
17:43.25 | golinux | Not dark enough for you? https://transfer.sh/zNtAF/ascii_desktop_sm.png |
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17:44.14 | Lipps | copied over my old ~/.config and now i got no xfce-desktop |
17:44.55 | r3boot | nice and clean golinux :) |
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17:45.40 | Lipps | no |
17:45.48 | Lipps | look at that white shit |
17:46.30 | golinux | To each his own |
17:47.05 | Lipps | i swear to fucking god i will fucking force gtk apps to dark |
17:47.32 | Lipps | first order of business is delete every light theme |
17:47.35 | Lipps | on the system |
17:47.37 | Lipps | every one |
17:47.45 | golinux | https://transfer.sh/NajMZ/meet-cinnabar-dark-sm.png |
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17:50.17 | r3boot | https://i.imgur.com/cRxTatg.png <-- my current driver |
17:50.52 | Lipps | can i delete Daloa, Default, Default-hdpi, Default-xhdpi, Kokodi, Moheli from /usr/local/share/themes or are any of them dark? |
17:51.25 | r3boot | Sure, but they are part of a package, and if you remove the files manually, you break the package |
17:51.34 | Lipps | the package IS broken |
17:51.44 | Lipps | gtk is broken |
17:52.26 | Lipps | either that or i have the usual suspects in my system |
17:52.30 | r3boot | look, this is getting old. This channel is for devuan support. If you want to continue ranting, please take this to #debianfork or somewhere else |
17:52.32 | Lipps | which is also likely |
17:52.39 | Lipps | k |
17:53.32 | r3boot | The wise thing to do in this case, is to file a bugreport with the xfce4 people, to figure out whats going on |
17:53.54 | r3boot | that'll get things sorted the quickest |
17:54.20 | r3boot | if your reaction is to randomly delete stuff from your system b/c you think it's broken, you will actually break stuff, eventually |
17:54.48 | Lipps | it's gtk |
17:54.58 | r3boot | why do you think so? |
17:55.20 | Lipps | because i've been dealing with their shit since the 1990s |
17:55.51 | r3boot | so then you know you need to capture debug output and/or an actual error message before you can even start to make such a claim ;) |
17:57.12 | Lipps | screenshot is enough |
17:57.37 | r3boot | no, not at all actually :) |
17:58.11 | Lipps | starting a new user |
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17:59.41 | r3boot | your session manager (xfce, gnome, mate, whatever) should (and can be made to) log its output to a file. In that file, you can find the actual thing that is keeping you from being able to do $whatever. Find that file, analyze it, fix stuff, rinse, repeat. |
17:59.59 | r3boot | something you should know after having survived atleast two major gtk updates ;P |
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18:02.01 | Lipps | no man, this is a 'you had one job' situation |
18:02.06 | Lipps | i can't drill down into everything |
18:03.07 | r3boot | look. You've spent atleast an hour ranting about it on irc .. Sure you can find a spare minute for egrep -i 'error|warning' /some/log/file | less |
18:04.29 | Lipps | i rand on the side |
18:04.32 | Lipps | on a working machine |
18:05.26 | Lipps | yep see |
18:05.32 | Lipps | i select adwaita-dark |
18:05.46 | Lipps | and xfce has no window borders anymore |
18:06.00 | Lipps | it's locked into some bright theme |
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18:07.43 | g4570n | Demosthenex: try with https://deb.sury.org repos |
18:08.30 | Demosthenex | g4570n: those are compatible with devuan? |
18:11.02 | g4570n | why not? try, there are jessie (jessie), stretch (ascii) and buster (beowulf) versions |
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18:20.15 | Lipps | apt-get install libxnvctrl0 |
18:20.15 | Lipps | libxnvctrl0 is already the newest version (430.50-1) |
18:20.15 | Lipps | <PROTECTED> |
18:20.47 | Lipps | ok i have a simple question |
18:21.02 | Lipps | why does a package maintainer specify = and not > ? |
18:21.29 | r3boot | that depends on the package manager and output format; ssome do |
18:22.37 | Lipps | should i email Debian NVIDIA Maintainers <pkg-nvidia-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org and tell them to not fucking require libxnvctrl0 (= 418.74-1) ? |
18:24.05 | Lipps | how about a patch to apt that will accept higher version numbers even if the fucking package specifies a particular one? |
18:24.17 | r3boot | lol, no, read what it said. nvidia-settings is linked to an old version of libxnvctrl0, so blame nvidia |
18:24.49 | r3boot | or even better, update (or deinstall) nvidia-settings |
18:25.17 | Lipps | i removed and reinstalled |
18:25.20 | Lipps | building from source now |
18:28.06 | golinux | Lipps: Settingds > Window Manager to choose the window frame |
18:28.46 | Lipps | libnvidia-gtk3.so.430.50 cannot open shared object file |
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18:29.03 | golinux | Settings |
18:29.09 | Lipps | nah i'm back to fluxbox |
18:29.18 | Lipps | it works |
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18:36.11 | Lipps | any of you running nvidia-settings on ceres? |
18:39.52 | Lipps | cp src/_out/Linux_x86_64/libnvidia-gtk3.so /usr/lib/libnvidia-gtk3.so.430.50 fixes the install btw |
18:40.04 | Lipps | and same with gtk2 |
18:41.00 | Lipps | can i help devuan by packaging this? |
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18:41.41 | Lipps | i'll tell nvidia what they fucked up first |
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