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| 21:56.16 | free_rabbit | i have a problem with devuan 32-bit installer on an usb device |
| 21:56.32 | free_rabbit | someone here whos not idle and can help me? |
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| 22:14.48 | gnarface | free_rabbit: can you elaborate? |
| 22:17.18 | free_rabbit | oh hey! =) |
| 22:17.35 | free_rabbit | yes i will! |
| 22:18.03 | free_rabbit | the devuan installer boots and shows up |
| 22:18.08 | free_rabbit | but loading the installer components from cdrom failed. |
| 22:18.17 | free_rabbit | when checking the cdrom i pressed alt+f4 to see whats happen, there is many output and i can not write it all down... it fades to fast, but it says first that the chekcsum can not be |
| 22:18.21 | free_rabbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.53 | gnarface | did you try to checksum the file before writing it to the USB key? this error is usually caused by a corrupted download |
| 22:19.57 | gnarface | there should be two checksums and a gpg signature you can use to triple-verify the thing |
| 22:24.26 | free_rabbit | gnarface: yes of course i do that everytime i download something that has the possibility to check it. |
| 22:25.05 | gnarface | hmm. strange |
| 22:25.42 | free_rabbit | 4 devuan downloads im doing this: first time i download the key, import it to my keychain. then downloading the file.iso and its SHAfoo and the SHAfoo.asc |
| 22:26.03 | gnarface | and this always worked before? |
| 22:26.27 | free_rabbit | i run gpg --verify shafoo.asc shafoo |
| 22:27.02 | free_rabbit | and then shafoo SHAfoo (for getting an ok for the iso file) |
| 22:27.07 | free_rabbit | gnarface: yes |
| 22:27.37 | free_rabbit | but probably there is more i need to tell, i do not know if it is important |
| 22:27.52 | gnarface | can you show me the exact command that you used to write the iso to the USB key? |
| 22:28.05 | free_rabbit | im using dd |
| 22:28.19 | gnarface | did you specify a block size greater than 1MB? |
| 22:28.26 | free_rabbit | no |
| 22:28.32 | gnarface | are you sure? |
| 22:28.36 | free_rabbit | but wait i want to tell u something otehr |
| 22:28.44 | free_rabbit | yes im sure ;) |
| 22:28.52 | gnarface | yes, please include anything weird about the machine or the install process |
| 22:29.16 | free_rabbit | i have 4 partitions on that usb device each partition contains something bootable |
| 22:29.40 | gnarface | hmm. you're not the first person to do that with an installer |
| 22:29.45 | gnarface | so that's not too weird |
| 22:30.05 | gnarface | which installer are you actually using? a netinstall iso or one of the live images? |
| 22:30.18 | free_rabbit | 1 partition has devuan 32-bit minimla live, one has the same in 64-bit, one has the 32-bit installer and one is empty at the moment (i will dd 64--bit installer there) |
| 22:30.48 | free_rabbit | for installing i always use the iso, i nver would do a net installer. |
| 22:31.03 | free_rabbit | my machine: lenovo thinkpad t60 with librebooot |
| 22:31.30 | gnarface | that's not a clear enough distinction i guess. you mean you're using one of the cd/dvd images, not the netinstall image OR live images? |
| 22:32.25 | free_rabbit | i used this: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1.iso |
| 22:32.34 | free_rabbit | and dd it to the usb stick |
| 22:32.45 | fsmithred | to the whole device, or to a partition? |
| 22:33.04 | free_rabbit | a partition the whole device where a waste of storage space... |
| 22:33.44 | free_rabbit | i have done this the first time, i had always used a burned to dvd iso before... |
| 22:33.56 | free_rabbit | *i have always used...? |
| 22:33.58 | fsmithred | it's an isohybrid image, which is meant to occupy the whole device and act like a CDROM |
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| 22:34.19 | free_rabbit | what does that mean? |
| 22:34.25 | gnarface | fsmithred: i thought you could use it from a partition evena local harddrive partition though? |
| 22:34.47 | fsmithred | yeah, there's a way to do that if you copy the iso file or its contents |
| 22:34.54 | fsmithred | I don't know about dd to partition |
| 22:34.59 | gnarface | oh hmm. good point |
| 22:35.03 | fsmithred | free_rabbit, how do you boot it? |
| 22:35.17 | free_rabbit | so i should dd the iso to the whole usb device then? |
| 22:35.23 | gnarface | free_rabbit: he might be right. if that's the only thing weird about your install attempt, try it as the whole device |
| 22:35.27 | fsmithred | you will wipe all your partitions if you do that |
| 22:35.47 | free_rabbit | fsmithred: i booted it with some grub commandline commands |
| 22:35.57 | fsmithred | the other way around it is to play with mounting and symlinks in the installer |
| 22:36.05 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:36.21 | free_rabbit | i know that it will wipe it when im using the whole device i know how dd works ^^ |
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| 22:36.47 | fsmithred | ok, just wanted to make sure |
| 22:37.05 | free_rabbit | the commandline commands are explained in here: https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html#booting-isolinux-images-manual-method |
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| 22:37.36 | free_rabbit | is dding donald trump |
| 22:37.40 | free_rabbit | muhahaha! |
| 22:38.35 | free_rabbit | gnarface: yeah.. probbaly i need to test it... |
| 22:39.22 | free_rabbit | gnarface: i thought it would be cool to have several live images and installer on one device... |
| 22:44.23 | free_rabbit | i dd it that will take some time... |
| 22:44.48 | free_rabbit | gnarface: you ask me: 00:28 < gnarface> did you specify a block size greater than 1MB? |
| 22:45.01 | free_rabbit | is the dd default greater then this? |
| 22:48.20 | fsmithred | I think the default is 1 byte |
| 22:48.23 | free_rabbit | the default block size i ment... |
| 22:48.30 | free_rabbit | fsmithred: ah ok =) |
| 22:50.03 | free_rabbit | i was asking because its display how fast it writes but that has nothing to do with the block size |
| 22:50.41 | gnarface | no, fsmithred free_rabbit the default is 512b which should be safe for everything |
| 22:52.45 | free_rabbit | ok cool thx you both, i always run it default, for everything |
| 22:53.37 | free_rabbit | ok i still need some time 2gb now ^^ |
| 22:54.14 | free_rabbit | how is devuan going? is the community getting bigger? more downloads then last year or something? |
| 22:54.55 | fsmithred | we've had some new developers join us in the past year |
| 22:55.05 | gnarface | i can't tell you anything specific but there is a steady trickle of new users |
| 22:55.08 | fsmithred | and new users, of course |
| 22:55.10 | free_rabbit | fsmithred: cool! =) |
| 22:55.54 | free_rabbit | sounds all great! hope it will getting bigger and mor people know about it! |
| 22:56.15 | free_rabbit | *get to know about it (tahts correct i think...) |
| 22:56.36 | fsmithred | I hope it will get easier instead of harder |
| 22:57.59 | free_rabbit | fsmithred: whta do you mean? |
| 22:59.26 | fsmithred | I hope we don't have to keep increasing the number of packages that we change. |
| 23:02.08 | free_rabbit | oh i see... =( |
| 23:10.39 | free_rabbit | ah! dd created two partitons one vfat and one dos with the iso.. maybe that was the problem? |
| 23:11.07 | gnarface | ah, right, that makes sense. the hybrid-iso images are themselves partitioned in a screwy way that won't nest properly in another partition set. |
| 23:11.12 | free_rabbit | cause i did not see one of my 4 partions split into two "subpartitions" |
| 23:11.14 | gnarface | i remember that coming up before now |
| 23:11.38 | gnarface | once you know that, there should be a way to do it though by just getting the parts of the installer you need into your own partitioning scheme |
| 23:12.17 | gnarface | nested partitions are a real thing though, if done right, so you might even be able to alter your existing top-level partitioning scheme to be compatible with the hybrid-iso |
| 23:12.18 | free_rabbit | gnarface: maybe thats to difficult for me... |
| 23:12.27 | gnarface | yea it might be more trouble than it is worth |
| 23:12.36 | gnarface | but it also would be a good learning experience |
| 23:13.34 | free_rabbit | gnarface: maybe i will come back to that "quest" after i recieved the exp from my other running projects ^^ |
| 23:13.46 | gnarface | i can't tell you off the top of my head how exactly, but it might just be as simple as copying the main partition out of the hybrid-iso image. i don't think you really need the rest of it if you're already providing your own boot loader |
| 23:13.54 | free_rabbit | will try now the installer again |
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| 23:19.18 | free_rabbit | cool it runs! =D |
| 23:19.32 | free_rabbit | thak you very much for your help! |
| 23:19.38 | gnarface | no choking on cdrom verification? |
| 23:19.42 | gnarface | that's good |
| 23:19.53 | free_rabbit | gnarface: no! ^^ |
| 23:20.09 | gnarface | now that i think about it more, it must be about the partition numbers. |
| 23:20.20 | gnarface | i wonder if they could just be renumbered to work |
| 23:21.00 | gnarface | but once you have a working install, these types of questions quickly wane in priority |
| 23:23.44 | fsmithred | the extra partition is probably the efi partition |
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| 23:39.23 | gnarface | i feel like i remember going through this before and someone did actually prove that it would work if you just renumber the partitions so it's coherent but i could have dreamed it |
| 23:44.27 | free_rabbit | lol |
| 23:46.16 | gnarface | hmm. that actually might have been before efi too |
| 23:55.59 | free_rabbit | im really excited if it will run without installing grub to disk. |
| 23:57.09 | free_rabbit | oh no whats going on! |
| 23:57.28 | free_rabbit | the 32-bit is runnign automatically every step! |
| 23:57.37 | free_rabbit | how to prevent this? |
| 23:58.06 | free_rabbit | when i instaleld 64-bit from a dvd in the past i have always to choose every single step manually... |
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