| 00:03.55 | se7en | https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/stallman.html |
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| 00:08.32 | wooogaboooga | hi there :) how hard would it be to write a script randomizing which WAN should be activated this time? |
| 00:08.43 | wooogaboooga | would it even work with multiple (4? 6?) LTE and/or 3G modems? |
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| 01:52.54 | phillipsjk | Thought the freebsd channel was joking: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-homed |
| 01:59.14 | phogg | really |
| 02:10.30 | golinux | Saw that on the Debian forum also |
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| 02:20.02 | phogg | the varlink user/group API thing seems harmless enough, but the homedir part is pretty mad |
| 02:30.26 | furrywolf | obviously they have to find more ways to make sure your software breaks unless it's written for systemd and only systemd. |
| 02:36.04 | phogg | I am sympathetic to some of the goals, but very against the technical decisions made at every level in attempting to get there. |
| 02:36.24 | phogg | I therefore do like to look at what problems they're solving and why. Not all of it is bad, just badly done. |
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| 03:57.33 | qbmonkey | systemd-homed maybe looks like a intro in to home eventually being home-as-a-service, ;0 |
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| 07:13.20 | m3tti | damn guys have you read that about systemd currently http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/NOP17aIL7sw/systemd-homed-systemd-now-working-to-improve-home-directory-handling |
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| 07:16.40 | telst4r | oh boy.. |
| 07:17.29 | m3tti | telst4r, yes thats discusting they completly rewrite linux in :D |
| 07:17.52 | m3tti | some time soon we'll have systemd-kerneld :D |
| 07:19.43 | telst4r | Then simply rename it Lennartd :P |
| 07:20.12 | m3tti | why do somebody need a new way to handle home directories? |
| 07:20.19 | m3tti | from init 0 :D |
| 07:22.24 | telst4r | I kinda see the argument for strict way of handling home, mainly programs trashing with their own dotfiles instead of making the use of .local, .cache etc.. but why should it be from init 0? |
| 07:24.58 | m3tti | thats it if we can make sure as a community that all files for the user should be located in these folders that would solve some of the stuff already |
| 07:26.57 | sixwheeledbeast | why does home need to be "more portable"? |
| 07:27.13 | m3tti | sometimes i have the feeling some of the linux folks just want to do something big and totaly changing so that they can tell everybody how awesome they are. But thats exactly not what we need. We need people who take resonsebility and try to make linux awesome as it is. It works just add some stuff don't rewrite all the stuff over and over again. |
| 07:29.58 | yeti | I'm the only daemon being allowed to do sth with my $HOME! |
| 07:30.08 | yeti | pasta & ramen! |
| 07:32.34 | sixwheeledbeast | The other argument is why create even more feature slip when there are still issues/bugs/vulnerabilities found with the "init" system. There's 1111 issues on git at the moment and we know how quickly they close many of them... |
| 07:34.21 | telst4r | Is home not portable already? just put it in the new place and mount? or is it some pulseaudio that breaks after that? |
| 07:35.28 | m3tti | sixwheeledbeast, bugs that are beatures :D or you missused the application |
| 07:36.01 | sixwheeledbeast | indeed they are the 4k closed ones. |
| 07:36.05 | telst4r | heh. the 'you're holding it wrong' argument. |
| 07:37.56 | m3tti | telst4r, i never knew there was an issue with home :D. and even though i had never issues with alsa too :D |
| 07:38.06 | m3tti | and on bsd also oss worked great |
| 07:43.23 | omnio | so far the only problem that I had with home portability was that some programs wrote the username to their config files but I doubt systemd is going to solve that |
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| 07:48.01 | Evilham | pkgmaster is part of deb.devuan.org |
| 07:48.02 | Evilham | so that's a bit redundant |
| 07:48.02 | Evilham | the files are .deb :-p |
| 07:49.12 | Evilham | If this is going to turn into random feature bashing please move to #debianfork |
| 07:49.13 | Evilham | noting that the original mention was on #freebsd-social and #debianfork would be devuans equivalent |
| 07:49.17 | Evilham | oh ffs, again delayed messages, feel free to ignore everything until the hint to move to #debianfork :-p |
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| 10:31.11 | aitor | hi there |
| 10:33.03 | Guest87438 | sev7en: about your link above... |
| 10:33.25 | Guest87438 | se7en, i mean |
| 10:34.26 | Guest87438 | about your link above: RMS has resigned from both MIT and FSF four days ago |
| 10:36.31 | DonkeyHotei | that's what the link was about, yes. however, this is not the channel for it; take it to #debianfork |
| 10:37.20 | Guest87438 | ok |
| 10:40.00 | Evilham | thanks DonkeyHotei :-) |
| 10:40.07 | DonkeyHotei | yw |
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| 13:52.00 | mtnman | helo |
| 13:52.33 | mtnman | how can dpkg-reconfigure tzdata be run non-interactively by a script? |
| 13:58.18 | Evilham | mtnman: https://serverfault.com/questions/84521/automate-dpkg-reconfigure-tzdata |
| 13:58.48 | mtnman | Evilham: thanks! |
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| 20:50.46 | avbox | A new version av AVMultimedia is out. If you wanted to know how fast it is, see https://youtu.be/wexJw3gWp5M (and yes you will find comparison with Debian, Knoppix and Ubuntu). |
| 20:54.30 | fsmithred | avbox, sorry I haven't had time to do any more testing. I'm getting ready to go away for a month. |
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